While the Packer faithful could see it months ago, Brian Gutekunst has finally admitted it. The Packers are in full rebuild mode. He did not use words to finally communicate the obvious. He went beyond words to actions.
You don’t trade a starting cornerback in the NFL unless you have given up in your current season and are focused entirely on next year. Gutekunst trading Rasul Douglass to essentially move a low fifth round pick to a high third round pick and six million in salary savings sends a message to fans that these 2023 Packers don’t have the solutions to their problems.
An additional third round pick immediately gets fans to point out Gutekunst’s third round draft wiffs, starting with Oren Burks and hopefully ending with Sean Rhyan. But having a high first round pick, two second round picks, and two third round picks, plus additional picks in the late rounds due to the Packers losing so many players to free agency last year, could infuse this team with much needed talent.
Another message may be aimed at Green Bay’s locker room. How it will be interpreted is another question, but clearly, everyone, including the coaching staff, are playing for their jobs in Green Bay.
It seems an eerie coincidence that the Raiders, who have one more win than the Packers, fired their head coach, offensive coordinator and general manager within hours of this trade announcement. If Packer fans look back to the last coach who was canned in the smallest NFL city, they will remember the words and actions of current Packer President, Mark Murphy.
“The 2018 season has not lived up to the expectations and standards of the Green Bay Packers. As a result, I made the difficult decision to relieve Mike McCarthy of his role as head coach, effective immediately.”
Those were the words of Mark Murphy hours after a 20-17 defeat to the Arizona Cardinals. McCarthy was a thirteen-year leader of the Packers who oversaw the development of Aaron Rodgers after deciding to move on from Brett Favre. He brought a Lombardi trophy home to the Packer faithful.
The Packers record at the time was 4-7-1. Murphy claimed to have made the firing decision quickly and without outside input, then inserted himself into the search for McCarthy’s successor. He picked LaFleur, taking most of the credit for the hiring in his initial press conference.
So, will LaFleur get more leeway than a 13-year Super Bowl winning coach? Is it just irony that McCarthy sits as the Cowboys head coach with the third best record in the NFC, looking like a formidable playoff team after a 43-20 dismantling of the Rams last week? Can any Packer fan envision this current Packer offense scoring 40+ points this season?
When you have a losing team in the NFL the grass always looks greener. When I drive my car into the garage, I have a large poster of the offensive huddle during the Packer’s last Super Bowl. In the huddle is Clifton, Colledge, Wells, second year player Josh Sitton and rookie Brian Bulaga. Tight ends are Lee and Quarless.
Receivers are Nelson and Jennings. The lone running back, rookie James Sharks. As I pulled in yesterday, I contemplated if I would take every player in that huddle over every current Packer offensive starter. Sadly, I had to answer; yes. Starks may not have the physical abilities of Aaron Jones, but he was dependable, ending the season with no fumbles.
So, in the final analysis, there may be a GM and President on the hot seat if this coaching staff can’t get the 2023 Packers to resemble a competitive NFL team. Both Gutekunst and LaFleur were hand-picked by Murphy.
Only tortuous logic will keep Murphy in charge if his choices fail on an epic scale. But 2023 is not 2018. In 2018 an MVP quarterback was squabbling with his coach’s play calls and their relationship was disintegrating.
The franchise QB won over the long tenured coach. A coach who is now successfully calling plays in Dallas. Everyone acknowledged Jordan Love would need time and Aaron Rodgers posted only six wins his first starting season.
While pros and cons can be thrown at any NFL head coach, McCarthy had a history of developing players. He also had a combination of elder players leading and teaching the young players.
This current team is missing quality player-teachers. Perhaps the biggest failure of Gutekunst this off-season was not bringing back Mercedes Lewis to nurture the young tight ends. But thanks to the huge dead money gift left by the Aaron Rodgers contract and trade, the Packers became the youngest team in the league. And then the few older players taking up salary cap, Bakhtiari, and De’Vondre Campbell, and others have lost time to injury.
Bakhtiari has been the injury that the Packers have not been able to overcome. Gutekunst drafted Lukas Van Ness in the first round in the 2023 draft. The very next pick, Pittsburgh drafted Broderick Jones, who in his first two starts at left tackle is receiving rave reviews.
Van Ness may turn into a fine player, but Gutekunst’s focus on first round defense may haunt him and the Packers. The offensive line has struggled in the run game and rookie 7th rounder Rasheed Walker was replaced last week after struggling, committing multiple penalties.
An interesting take this week came from former Packer and Hall of Fame safety and Lambeau Leap creator Leroy Butler in his weekly game review with Tom Silverstein in the Milwaukee Journal. After pointing out how the Packer defense has been repeatedly blowing coverage assignments on offensive pass “bunch sets”, Butler talked about how it was important to give players easy codes and words to simplify their assignments and changes before the snap.
He mentioned his former coaches as masters of providing tools to players to make their jobs easier. In the end coaches must be communicators AND create simple communication devices to allow players to communicate quickly to each other. This season has had depressing repetitions of poor communication and missed assignments.
Is it coaching or is it players failing to execute? Or a combination of both? Maybe a better question is to ask can LaFluer or Gutekunst or Murphy figure out how to solve the problem? It may depend on how much time this coach is given to find the answers. Detroit looked like a lost franchise two years ago and their trade for Jared Goff was criticized.
Then his offensive line issues were reduced, and his pass catchers matured and improved. This year they added a quality running back and they lead the division.
The Lions had patience and after years and years of failure, are winning. McCarthy made it through 12 games in 2018. How much time will Team Murphy get in 2023?
This writer said in the beginning of the season that the Packers were playing for next season. Now Gutekunst has officially agreed. Will Team Murphy have patience and let a young team develop or will they start over in 2024. We should have an answer in the next ten weeks.
First, i enjoyed reading this article, even if i don’t agree with everything.
Nice write up Paul.
Admitting something is verbal, i don’t believe Gute admitted anything.
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“The 2023 season has not lived up to the expectations and standards of the Green Bay Packers. As a result, I made the difficult decision to relieve Mark Murphy and Brian Gutekunst of their roles, effective immediately.” – Executive Comm.
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Since McCarthy joined the Cowboys, they played 3 playoff games under his watch. Losing two and never getting past the Divisional round.
By that metric, MLF has been more successful.
The Boys look good this season sans the Arizona game and the 49er beat down.
The Cowboys are still poised to have a winning season.
McCarthy deserves credit as head coach in any success they have this season, but lets not get it twisted.
Compare the Boys roster with the Packer roster and you’ll see what i mean.
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I keep hearing that Rodgers only had 6 wins his first season, as if that is some built in excuse for anything.
I’d go over that again, but i don’t need the brain damage of repeating myself.
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Yes, the Lions improvement stems from two other area’s, a coach who gets his guys ready to battle, they are willing to fight.
Currently possess the 7th ranked defense
The Lions offense is ranked #2
Lets take a look….
Josh Reynolds who they plucked off waivers is poised to have the most productive season of his career.
Sam Laporta is a 2nd round pick who is ranked 5th in tight ends, as a rookie.
(Paper crown Musgrave all you want)
Production is King.
I’ll crown Musgrave, when he has the production.
Don’t f…..g tell me how great Musgrave is, until he is.
Amon-Ra St. Brown…4th round pick wr, ranked 6th in wide recievers.
Jahmyr Gibbs, rookie rb..ranked 19th in the NFL with a 5.3 APC.
Slightly more productive than Jones and Dillon…combined.
A few of the reasons why the Lions control the NFC North.
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Random…….
Why is it…that the President of the Packers, with ZERO football operation experience, has final say on the coach hired, and any final decision related to football.
I hope whoever our next GM is, they aren’t insulted by not having full control of football operations.
Any GM worth their salt, would say no to that structure, like Wolf did 3 decades ago, before he helped rebuild a Championship franchise in Green Bay (from the ground up).
Mark Murphy is a d amn fool, and some of you are finally realizing what we’ve been trying to tell ya’ll for years.
I don’t think they’re rebuilding exactly.
I think they’re acquiring draft choices to move up and take a QB who can actually throw an accurate pass in the event Love continues to show he can’t hit anything beyond 10 yards. As it stands now, the Packers would only have the 6th pick in the draft. And Williams probably doesn’t want to play in Green Bay, which means the other possible QB, Maye, would be the Packers only option. Remember, it was Murphy himself who said Love has to prove himself THIS year. The Packers are preparing for a worse case scenario of having to spend a boatload of picks to get a top passer.
If your looking for another QB, now you are kind of rebuilding twice.
I can’t look at this offense and say they aren’t rebuilding, with a straight face.
I don’t need Bakhtiari to tell me their rebuilding, but yea, when he says it, it should tell you something.
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The defense is a bit different…..
On defense everyone is scratching their heads thinking, why isn’t this defense better?
With all the resources we invested, why isn’t it better.
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So both sides of the ball has it’s issues.
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What’s the next step….?
Wait till the end of the season, assess (the damage) all the needs, like every Packer off season.
Then try to figure out what we need the most of in the draft…..a tackle or two, wr, tight end, safety, lb, another corner, rb, D lineman? oops…QB?
So which way do we go in the draft….defense first?
Then…draft those players, and like every other rookie draft class, cross your fingers and say your prayers they are productive….right away.
Like we do….every season.
BROKEN
This dude down the hall just nailed it, but i think he’s wasted and drunk, you know those Packer fans!!
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As a Packer fan, i think every game is important.
BUT……i’ve been in ‘wait’ mode for several years.
I’ll explain…..
I’ve been waiting, for the rest of the disease to be eradicated out of the building at 1265.
Namely the disease of the upper Management.
Or should i say, the mismanagement by upper management.
I got tired of this clown show for years….
Starting with the refusal of Murphy to replace Ted, when it was obvious the team was regressing.
Ted was getting very sick.
But when asked about Ted..Murphy would say..”when Ted wants to retire, he’ll tell me”
Seriously?…NOOOOO
Your the President, the Gatekeeper, that isn’t how it works.
You don’t sit and watch your product regress because you don’t want to replace your friend.
So then…the BOD’s had to step in and order Murphy to replace him.
They had to make Murphy, do his job!!
Incredible..right?
So then, with no football operational experience whatsoever….Murphy puts himself in charge of all football operations.
HERE WE GO…….!!
Murphy changes the Packers bylaws to empower himself, promotes Gute after McCarthy wouldn’t let Murphy hire Ball as the GM.
Then hires MLF, instead of letting Gute hire his own guy.
And in a nutshell….HERE WE ARE TODAY!!!….yippeekyAmotherf…….
So when i watch now, it’s strictly for the entertainment value i can pull out of it until the rest of the disease is out of the building..
Is that Carrying The G?
I don’t care either way.
A slogan for a product to sell alcohol and t-shirts and make some cash isn’t the measuring stick of my fandom.
But i wait patiently for brighter Green Bay Packer days…but today, isn’t the day.
You relieve Murphy & FIRE Dumbenkunst, LaPew now!! Put Rich V is as interim, meanwhile Find a Rock solid GM, let him hire next coach. we need a Howie R or John Schneider type GM. A COMPETENT one, who’s not afraid to sign FA, make trades and Draft worth a Damn. The 3 Stooges put us back into 70-80’s
I’m not sure how anyone can relieve Murphy. The president/chairman of the board has never been fired from the Packers. Olejniczak I think had a stroke, could not run anything and no one replaced him (the Randy Wright years). Murphy said he is going to retire in a couple of years, and at first, I thought he’s just going to live out his days as CEO and let it all continue as it is now and name someone as CEO to fix it all. Unfortunately, that’s logical and makes the most sense, because then the new CEO can attract his own GM. But who knows, I could be wrong. He may think he doesn’t want to go out a loser and might fire everyone in an attempt to fix everything before he leaves.
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If it were me, I would give LaFluer, Gutekunst and Love one more year after this year and see if Love can fix his accuracy under real fire. He probably can’t, but you never know, I had given up on Davantae Adams at one point and was wrong about that.
Deep, the last thing i see is Murphy firing people. I don’t believe that’s in his nature, or if he is even capable of it without being prodded..
But lets say he was capable….how would it look for him to fire the people he just gave contract extensions to not that long ago.
Here is what i worry about…..
That Murphy names Ball or Policy to his seat, and nothing changes for a few years in respect mostly to Gute.
Ball is very, very likely the next successor, so brace yourself. There’s no telling what he’ll do.
Trading Rasul Douglas for a 3rd round pick was absolutely the right call. You now have two seconds, two thirds, and a top ten, possibly a top 5 pick, in next years draft. That gives you additional ammo to go get your QB. Gutekunst essentially put Jordan Love on notice in his presser. It’s now or never. He’s got these next 10 games to convince management he’s the guy going forward. Rasul Douglas on or off the roster has no bearing on that decision.
There’s no comparison between the Mike McCarthy firing and what’s going on now. Rodgers was convinced Big Mike was holding him back from true greatness. One had to go. Mike McCarthy would tell you now, getting fired from the Packers was the best thing that ever happened to him. He’s gone on to have continued success with another iconic franchise. While with Rodgers you had to move on and blame someone else. Where’s Kevin King when you need him? I’m sure he had something to do with that Achilles injury.
It’s interesting you mention the Raiders. My friends at work who are Raider fans tell me there’s a story going round. Josh McDaniels showed up to the team Halloween party on Tuesday dressed like the dorky Mark Davis. Right down to the bowl haircut and the howdy doody red headed wig. Davis didn’t take too kindly to being mocked and fired his HC and GM who hired McDaniels. Evidently you can make fun of Davis on Sunday but Halloween parties are a no-no.
To be honest, I can’t get a real bearing on Matt LaFleur as HC. It was hard to evaluate him with Rodgers at QB because Rodgers just did whatever the hell he wanted anyway. It seems LaFleur is not doing enough to help Love now. But that might be because he’s limited by Jordan Love and what he can process and do. Nevertheless coaching deserves some blame here.
I don’t know if its enough ammo to have all those picks. Right now the worst teams all want QBs and they all draft earlier than the Packers. That being said, I don’t see the Packers winning more than a single game, while I see most of the teams currenlty drafting ahead of the Packers as probably winning a few more games.
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This is like in the 70s and 80s when the Packers were terrible, but they never had the first pick in the draft because the Buccaneers were usually worse. So the Packers would win like 4 games, but were probably the 2nd worse team in the league. Now the Bears will take that place.
It all depends on how these final 10 games shake out Deepsky. Right now we’re looking at the 6th overall pick. It isn’t inconceivable we go 0-10 and finish with a top three to five pick.
Caleb Williams goes first overall. Probably to Chicago or Arizona. Drake Maye is in play with the second overall pick. If I’m the Packer GM that’s the pick I want. I don’t see Caleb Williams playing in Green Bay even if we had the first overall pick. He wants a big market and partial team ownership. He can’t get either playing in Wisconsin. As talented as he is, I just don’t see it as a good fit.
I draft Drake Maye with the second overall pick. If you can’t get there on your own, then you trade up to get there. The way things are going, that could only be a spot or two. While the price would be steep, it’s not out of the realm of possibilities either.
The fly in the ointment is Chicago. If they have the second overall pick, and they have Carolina’s number one as well thereby increasing their odds that they will, there’s no way the Bears trade that pick to us.
The other possibility is Jordan Love balls out, we don’t need a QB and take the top LT in the draft. This seems unlikely however. Worse case scenario we finish 5-5 over the final 10 games taking us out of contention for a top tier, blue chip QB prospect. Love remains maddeningly inconsistent, isn’t the answer at QB.
Fixing the QB situation solves 90% of the teams problems. All this other nonsense is just noise.
I agree Drake Maye is likely the only option here and I just don’t see any way the Packers get him unless they have the worst record in the league. And now they’re 7th pick in the draft.
“(MCCarthy’s) gone on to have continued success with another iconic franchise. While with Rodgers you had to move on and blame someone else.”
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LOL, the Packers went to two NFCCG’s and Rodgers won back-to-back MVP’s. McCarthy has yet to get past the divisional round of the playoffs in Dallas. Nice try, Flip Flop.
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“To be honest, I can’t get a real bearing on Matt LaFleur as HC. It was hard to evaluate him with Rodgers at QB because Rodgers just did whatever the hell he wanted anyway.”
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It was hard to evaluate LaFleur because Rodgers was “doing whatever the hell he wanted anyway?” So we can thank Rodgers’ playcalling for having three thirteen win seasons? LaFleur now has his game manager that he wanted so he could turn Love into a millionaire with the magical Matt LaFleur offense. Well, Love is getting paid millions but the offense hasn’t scored TD in the first half of the last five games. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the historically inexperienced receiving core. WR’s can be found anywhere!
It’s astonishing, entertaining and pathetic all at the same time.
Watching Flip Flop try to talk is if he is some authority of football operations, telling us who he would draft if he were “The Packers GM (Brian Gutekunst).
(GUTE HAS A PLAN)
When in reality, he has said the dumbest things, that have proven he’s been wrong, time and time and time again, ad nauseam
But here he is, telling us ‘what he would do’.
As if anyone here, or anywhere, gives a f.
If…..the Packers don’t turn this team around this season.
Brian Gutekunst will soon be shown the door and hope that some team would hire him on as a simple scout after the debacle the NFL world has witnessed.
But then again, thanks to Murphy, Gute’s probably got 15-20 million guaranteed to him in the next 3-4 years, no matter what happens.
As does LaFleur.
Then Murphy will step down in 2025, move out of Green Bay, leaving a mess for the next President to clean up.
Who could have ever saw this coming?
Shocking.
BROKEN.
Some smarty pants from down the hall…..
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This isn’t the first time i heard of tanking this season.
Here’s the thing……
How did we get to this point?
How did we get here?
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First…The BOD’s have to force Murphy to do his job, by dismissing Thompson of his duties.
Murphy then puts himself large and in charge in 2018 , even changing the Packers bylaws to empower himself
Power that the General Manager should have.
After 11 years, he now, first discovers silo’s?
Impressive.
So Murphy wants to hire Russ Ball as GM. But McCarthy doesn’t like it, So Murphy then hires Gute.
Murphy couldn’t stand up to McCarthy?
Who runs the Packers, the head coach?
Then…..they fire McCarthy during the season.
But not after Murphy secretly gave McCarthy another year on his contract.
A going away gift?
Then Murphy promotes Gute, doesn’t give him full GM powers, puts training wheels on him.
Murphy then hires MLF, Murphy introduces MLF for about 11 minutes to the media, then lets Gute speak for about 34 seconds.
Then you have all kinds of drama and dissension for a couple years under the watch of Murphy/Gute.
They give up on the 2020 team one win away from the Super Bowl and trade up and draft a bench QB for a few years down the road.
When asked back in 2020….Gute replied that the Jordan Love move was made in the best interest of the future of the Green Bay Packers.
Hmm….interesting.
So where are we today…..?
Losing to bad teams.
No Rodgers to blame for all the Packers management miscues.
6th worst record in the league.
A 17 week training camp for the offense, otherwise referred to as the 2023 season
In the 6th season, of Murphy and Gute running this team, this is where we are?
We are discussing tanking the season?
Some are talking about getting a new QB?
A new QB…what have the Packers been doing for over 3 seasons?
I thought they were preparing a new QB.
Isn’t that why we drafted him #1?
Maybe it’s time we get new leadership in Green Bay starting with a new President.
It’s fairly evident the Green Bay Packer train has been driven off the tracks.
This obviously isn’t working
Am i the only one who see’s that?
😦😜😏🥱😮😄🤣🤪
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Tom M 37 mins ago
Trading Rasul Douglas for a 3rd round pick was absolutely the right call.
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Gute has a plan!!!!
Fairytales from the wise ole sage one 👍🤣🤪
Tom M
You now have two seconds, two thirds, and a top ten, possibly a top 5 pick, in next years draft. That gives you additional ammo to go get your QB. Gutekunst will possibly make this thing work.
Lets just give him another 8 or 9 years to give him a fair chance to implement his strategy..
GUTE HAS A PLAN!!
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BRILLIANT 😲
Princess 52 fairytales ago
To be honest, I can’t get a real bearing on Matt LaFleur as HC. It was hard to evaluate him with Rodgers at QB because Rodgers just did whatever the hell he wanted anyway.
How many times did i tell you Ladies that all LaFleur needed, was his prize QB to run his offense the way LaFleur wanted it run. Like how Love is running it.
Any questions Ladies?
“Mike McCarthy would tell you now, getting fired from the Packers was the best thing that ever happened to him. He’s gone on to have continued success with another iconic franchise” – LOL
Yep, McCarthy has won (one) wild game since joining that iconic franchise.
WOW!! 👍
Break out the champagne!!
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So entertaining 😁
Let me ask you Tommi….did McCarthy tell you that was the best thing that ever happened to him?
How do you know that “he’d tell us” it was the best thing?
What about getting married?
The births of his children?
Becoming coach of the Packers?
Coaching the Super Bowl?
Winning the Super Bowl?
Holding up the Lombardi trophy?
Or are those things a distant 2nd?
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Tommi….you should spend more time thinking your fairytales through, before hitting …send
No comment to your stupidity?
I didn’t think so.
How many playoff games has Aaron Rodgers won without McCarthy? I can think of only one, maybe two. And as we all know, Rodgers is the best QB ever! Mike McCarthy does not need Aaron Rodgers to be a successful HC. He’s proven that. MLF not so much.
It was Mike McCarthy that recommended Russ Ball who he work with in New Orleans to be the cap guru and replace Andrew Brandt. I’m not sure where you’re getting this “McCarthy didn’t want Russ Ball” nonsense. Russ Ball has no experience in personnel. His background was all finance. He was interviewed because he wanted the job and had done so well with the cap. Ball has not interviewed for GM position since. That tells me he was never a viable GM candidate. The job was always going to be for Gutekunst or Eliot Wolf.
The “power structure” is yet another big nothing burger. Mark Murphy does not micromanage. There’s been no indication that’s been an issue between Gutekunst and Murphy. And it certainly wasn’t a deal breaker for Gutekunst when he was about to be offered the GM job in Houston.
One trade at the deadline does not a rebuild make. If this was truly a rebuild then you would trade your two best players, Jaire Alexander and Rashan Gary, both drafted by Gutekunst for maximum draft compensation. In order to start a “rebuild.” What this team needs is a franchise QB. It’s either Jordan Love or it isn’t. If it’s not then you draft another one in April. This isn’t rocket science. But you ladies start a big circle jerk to “fire everyone!”
Sigh…omfg….lol
Doesn’t Gute…..have a plan?
WE keep reading, you keep telling us Gute has a plan Barney!!
Is it a 6 year plan, a 10 year plan, a 12 year plan?
What is the G D plan old wise sage?
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TOMMI…..
WHAT IS GUTES PLAN?
WHEN DO WE GET TO SEE THIS PLAN?
PLEASE….TELL US GUTES PLAN.
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OR……
JUST IGNORE THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A HEAD FULL OF LETTUCE FOR A BRAIN.
Former NFL General Manager Michael Lombardi was on ESPN and metioned how Murphy “splintered the fundamental organization” of the Packers and now has all decisions going through him. Yet, we’re supposed to believe some Flip Floppin clown on the internet that this is a “nothing burger” instead of listening to an actual NFL GM on national television… 🤔
So….are we keeping a tally at all?
Has Tommi been wrong 30 times, 40 times, 80 times?
I’m not sure either, but smart money would have the o/u at over 50.
So wrong, so many times, so entertaining!!
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Amazing how someone can be so consistently wrong constantly, yet talks as if, he knows something.
(Gute has a plan)
What some people do for attention. 😲
“Lets tank the season and find another QB!!!!”
^ THE PLAN!! ^
“McCarthy does not need Aaron Rodgers to be a successful HC. He’s proven that. MLF not so much.” – Barney
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He’s proven that?
What has he done?
Riddle me that Sparky.
OOPS…..Are you saying McCarthy is a successful ‘regular’ season head coach without Rodgers?
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How many playoff games has Aaron Rodgers won without McCarthy? I don’t know spanky, but it’s more than McCarthy has won without Rodgers.
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“I’m not sure where you’re getting this “McCarthy didn’t want Russ Ball” nonsense” – Barney
Everyone knows that you f… twit, maybe they didn’t cover that in your viking forums.
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“The “power structure” is yet another big nothing burger. Mark Murphy does not micromanage.”
Yes, because you know that for fact right Princess?…lol
Did your psychic tell you that, or the Easter Bunny?
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Man, you are hopeless.
I hope God takes mercy on you. 💯
Down the hall, someone talked about just “enjoying the season” good or bad.
Well…….
Someone had a problem with that.
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I’m not sure if you’ve been around the last 30 years fireball.
But enjoying a f….d up season, and maybe next season in Green Bay, isn’t how this works.
We just went through years of drama and team dissension because of the great Jordan Love draft pick, our next franchise QB.
You know, the future franchise QB the Packers have been grooming for 3 years.
Isn’t that why we gave up on a SB in 2020 and drafted for the future?
Well the future is now.
So this is what you’re telling us to enjoy?
Now….some are talking tanking the season, and drafting another QB.
Wasn’t this team supposed to be better without Rodgers?
Wasn’t the offense supposed to be better with Jordan Love running MLF’s offense the way LaFleur wanted it run?
So…since it isn’t better, and we are now one of the bottom feeders of the NFL…..
You’re telling us to …..enjoy it?
What are you…a viking fan?
WTF….LOL
Kevin, go back to your conspiracy theories. Where the sinister Illuminati created an untenable power structure in Packer Management. Thereby preventing Russ Ball to be GM. A world where Mike McCarthy can’t coach, Aaron Rodgers is the greatest QB that ever lived, and 45 year old Jordy Nelson could still be playing football to this day if some team would just give him one more chance. The same fantasy world in which Kevin King is the evil puppet master and the downfall of a once proud organization.
Live in the past Kevin, in your world of make believe. Perhaps you’ll enlighten us all on the flat earth theory, Bigfoot, the Lock Ness monster, and alien abduction. Where the evil grey’s have traveled light years just to probe your anus. All of which would be of move value than your so-called “football knowledge.” Let the rest of us debate the course of the future for our beloved Packers.
Let me slow it down for you Princess….
WHAT…….IS….GUTE’S……. PLAN?
If that question confuses you, let me know and i’ll try to help you, ok cupcake?
PF4L 1 day ago
Doesn’t Gute…..have a plan?
WE keep reading, you keep telling us Gute has a plan Barney!!
Is it a 6 year plan, a 10 year plan, a 12 year plan?
What is the G D plan old wise sage?
“Rebuilding.” How out of touch is this organization right now. When Murphy heard that word he immediately said out loud, “the sled hill?”
Here’s an example of those communication issues that Rodgers was talking about. Rasul Douglas said that Gute called him and didn’t say much other than “we are trading you.” Douglas said he thought it was a joke because Gute didn’t say anything after that so Douglas hung up on him. Then, because Gute was so bad on the phone Murphy had to call Douglas and tell him again that he was being traded. LOL. Wow…
They called him?
Classy….LOL
Showing, that Murphy really does have the final word.
Maybe Gute can help Murphy pack up and move in the summer of 2025 and then they can relax that night around a fire on the back patio and clink wine glasses together celebrating how they fleeced the Packers out of tens of millions and left a trail of ‘BROKEN PLANS’ to show for it.
Did poor Rasul Douglas not get a hug and a tissue when he was told he was traded? I’m sure Bill Belichick would have padded him on the back and wiped away those crocodile tears as he told him a happy story….
A give and take from DTH…..
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Anonymous
Hey 75, isn’t it ridiculous how easily one man can have such influence over a board of 40 people? But this is one of the characteristics of a public, NFP company. Board members don’t get paid, outside of the Great Murphy. And when they know less about football than Murphy, this is what we get as a result.
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November 04, 2023 at 11:52 pm
Yea PackFan, i hear that.
It’s seems to me, that in a small town, i can understand how it’s a status symbol in Green Bay to be on the 45 member BOD’s
Not to mention the social and business advantages of it.
That doesn’t mean i like it.
I think 45 members is a bit excessive.
That’s where it reminds me more of a ‘Club’ than a useful tool.
The 7 Member Executive Committee should be enough to make final business decisions, and oversee the President.
I like to see people do their own critical thinking, good to have you around PackFan.💯
Can’t help but like this from DTH……
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Anonymous
November 04, 2023 at 10:40 am
Douglas should have been in the Safety position, directing Barry’s zone scheme. He is a guy who hits and plays to the ball. He was moved because he called out the Silage Committee and the Losing. A three pick is like the poison pill with Gutekunst conjuring the selection. We are hoping Kraft will break the tablet of whiffs. The only Rebuild that needs to occur is in the Front Office. Move the collective out the back door and Start Over.
For those who don’t think Murphy isn’t running this sheeeeet show, in 24 hours he has posted articles about Love, Douglas and Gary
Now pay attention Cheese and Kevin and you might learn something. But I doubt it. Last year Big Mike and the Dallas Cowboys finished 12-5 and beat Tom Brady and the Bucs, something Aaron Rodgers could never do, in the playoffs. McCarthy currently has the Cowboys at 5-2. There isn’t a HC in the NFL that wouldn’t give his left nut to be 5-2 after 7 games. What record was your beloved Aaron Rodgers last year? If you said 8-9 and hasn’t won anything this year because of a potential career ending injury, then you win a dream date with Kevin! How lucky you are! Mike McCarthy has been a successful HC in Dallas. But don’t take my work for it. Ask Jerry Jones. Not an easy man to please, but he loves him some Big Mike.
Listen very carefully Kevin and I’ll tell you yet again Gutekunst’s plan. This season was always about Jordan Love and is he the QB of the future. Gutekunst will take these final 10 games and make a determination if he’s the answer or not. If he isn’t, and it’s trending that way, then he drafts a QB with his top ten pick in next years draft. You’re nothing in the NFL without a viable starting QB. Fixing the QB situation solves 80% of this teams problems. Anymore questions ladies? I’m here to help….
“ Last year Big Mike and the Dallas Cowboys finished 12-5 and beat Tom Brady and the Bucs, something Aaron Rodgers could never do”
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LOL, you stupid Fluck. Rodgers and the Packers beat Brady and the Bucs IN TAMPA in 2022. Did the trauma of watching your boyfriend lose to Rodgers erase that moment from your memory? Or did telling yourself that Brady “rallied the troops” so many times make you forget that he actually lost that game?
Wrong again. Add another tally to the board. I don’t know who talks out of their arse more, you or Gutekunst.
The key word here sweetheart is PLAYOFFS!!! Big Mike beat Tampa Tom in the PLAYOFFS!!!! Little Erin couldn’t do that in the PLAYOFFS in your wildest Aaron Rodgers wet dream. Mike McCarthy is a top 5 HC in the NFL. I’m sure Aaron Rodgers would let Big Mike “top” him anytime…..
Tom M 24 mins ago
Now pay attention Cheese and Kevin and you might learn something. But I doubt it.
Because it’s pretty much common knowledge that i don’t know what i’m talking about.
But trust me, when i say Gute has a plan.
Kevin has a plan! Fire everyone, hire Russ Ball as GM, and offer 45 year old Jordy Nelson 100 million to come out of retirement! Because ya know, Jordy can still play!
Let’s make Kevin, our new GM Russ Ball, his personal assistant! Because no one knows football like Kevin! Except of course Cheese, who thinks regular season wins are more important than playoffs wins. You two are meant to be together….
J.E.T.S
Is this thing still working?
I’ll take that as a no.