The annoying thing about eras – particularly those of the most glittering variety – is that they have to come to an end.
Those who avidly follow the Green Bay Packers are disheartened – they’ve been left with no choice but to start casting a collective gaze toward what the next few days, weeks, months, and years may bring without star players like Aaron Rodgers.
Rodgers’ Retirement Prompts Concern
Aaron Rodgers leaves Lambeau Field for the last time as Packers QB.
— NFL (@NFL) April 24, 2023
A new chapter begins. pic.twitter.com/vfUfPBGt5C
It’s an inevitability that Aaron Rodgers will one day put on his famous No.12 jersey for the last time. However, few allow themselves to think about this too intently or to consider what his retirement could mean for the bigger picture.
Unfortunately, the Packers will soon be living that nightmare. Rodgers hasn’t formally announced his retirement but the awkward radio silence from the man himself, while the rumor mill continues to churn, is far from promising.
Of course, hope will forever spring eternal at Lambeau Field, but there’s no escaping the fact that the best football bets today already have Matt LaFleur’s side priced at a measly +6500 to savor a fifth Super Bowl triumph in 2024. This is behind the likes of 23 other franchises, with the Kansas City Chiefs (+600) and Philadelphia Eagles (+650) right at the top.
As the winningest franchise in NFL history, success is expected in Wisconsin rather than longed for. A loyal and passionate fan base has grown accustomed to chasing the dream and reveling in the warm glow of success.
The question right now is: how much celebrating will be taken in when Rodgers is no longer available?
Previous Attempts at Greatness
Similar posers have presented themselves in the past, but it’s difficult to imagine that a suitable heir would be found to the great Brett Lorenzo Favre. As it happens, one dynasty merely rolled over into the next.
There’s no indication that history is about to repeat itself. It would take wishful thinking of the very highest order to believe that three all-time greats could follow one another in some kind of sporting train that boasts a final destination of the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio.
Somebody, though, needs to step up from somewhere in order to paper over the cracks and provide the bridge from one golden era to the next. History is there to be made by someone who can prove they’re capable of filling the most decorated and silver-lined of boots.
Autograph time with #Packers alumni Lynn Dickey & Paul Coffman ✍ pic.twitter.com/jQeqJcC9RC
— Green Bay Packers (@packers) December 27, 2015
You have to turn the clock back 30 years to find the first season in which the enigmatic talents of Brett Favre led the Packers into the playoffs. He would achieve that feat on 11 occasions over the course of 14 years – claiming a Super Bowl ring along the way.
Rodgers picked up that baton in 2009 and ran with it, securing a ring of his own through 11 ventures into the business end of any given campaign. With AR12 at the helm, all has felt right with the world.
The unknown is now being entered head-on. Not since 1982 has somebody other than Favre or Rodgers led the Packers into the postseason. The man in question was Lynn Dickey – a franchise legend in his own right – but the fact that over 40 years have passed since then goes to highlight the size of the challenge facing the next candidate to line up under center.
“It’s an inevitability that Aaron Rodgers will one day put on his famous No.12 jersey for the last time. However, few allow themselves to think about this too intently or to consider what his retirement could mean for the bigger picture.”
“Unfortunately, the Packers will soon be living that nightmare. Rodgers hasn’t formally announced his retirement but the awkward radio silence from the man himself, while the rumor mill continues to churn, is far from promising.”
^ I’m not sure at what junction of time this was written, but ok.^
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“There’s no indication that history is about to repeat itself. It would take wishful thinking of the very highest order to believe that three all-time greats could follow one another in some kind of sporting train that boasts a final destination of the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio.”
Truer words were never spoken. Reality based logical thinking.
Be thankful for what you had, and the Packers hoisting the Lombardi both in the 90’s and the 2000’s.
It’s not about hate, anger, bitterness, doom and gloom as some around here portray it to be.
It’s about celebrating something with pride that has never been done before in the NFL, back to back HOF QB’s for 3 decades.
Oh, but history does repeat itself. So says the fear mongers who tell us a return to the 70’s and 80’s is unavoidable. All because we project what Rodgers was in his prime and not the QB he’s been since his playoff loss to the 49ers a year and a half ago. It’s fine to wax nostalgic on occasion but to live in denial and fear the future is never healthy. Many believe we’re about to fall into the abyss, never to return to football royalty in our lifetimes. But those are the same people that tell you Rodgers is the “best QB ever” and “if Brady can play until he’s 45, so can Rodgers.” Both statements are delusional.
Always liked Lynn Dickey. Much preferred him to flash in the pan Don Majkowski. Jordan Love doesn’t have to be Aaron Rodgers. If he can be Lynn Dickey we’ll be just fine. There’s reason for all of us to be hopeful. Like “Super Tramp” once crooned, “if I never look behind me, my troubles will be few.”
“Jordan Love doesn’t have to be Aaron Rodgers. If he can be Lynn Dickey we’ll be just fine.” – Princess
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If the Easter Bunny could be Santa Claus.
If the Tooth Fairy could be the cookie monster.
Lol….Princess, don’t ever change!!
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Jordan Love will be Jordan love.
Or as Kevin tells us, if Jordan Love can be Tim Boyle or Kurt Benkert, then we’ve got our next franchise QB. Dream big, right Kevin?
I understand. As we transition for one era to another, a reflective pause to look back at where we’ve been and who got us there is necessary as we move ahead towards the future. But if the 70’s and 80’s tell us anything, they admonish us not to live in the past. It’s a cautionary tale about making our football hero’s from the past head coaches and general managers when they clearly weren’t qualified.
Fortunately for us, these mistakes aren’t being made this time. We have a forward thinking management team with a roster full of talent. There’s reason for optimism. There’s no question challenges lie ahead but the future looks bright. And that’s exciting…..
Forward thinking management team….lol
You kill me Princess!!
Never stop, there is no shame (it seems) of you being the dunce of this website.
You keep doing what you do and making us laugh.
Maybe Jordan Love can be Patrick Mahomes, or Tom Brady!!
Maybe Jordan love can be a head of lettuce
Maybe Jordan Love can be a taco salad.
Maybe Jordan Love can be JaMarcus Russell.
Maybe Jordan Love can be the President of the Packers, and also an attorney for the NFLPA.
Maybe Jordan Love can be a 10 year starter.
Maybe Jordan Love can take Tommi’s job and be the Executive Director of Fantasyland.
The possibilities are endless!!
Dickey was a decent QB and was the preferred signal caller, but I for one hope that Love does a better job with TD to Interceptions and that he is available on game day.. Way too many times Randy Wright was out there instead. I certainly hope Love is a whole lot more mobile as Dickey was a statue in the pocket because of his knees.
Some fool keeps bringing up Patrick Mahomes, last year during the playoffs he got hurt, big deal all the backup QB did was come in the game and drive 98 yards for a TD. No other team in the playoffs had that ability with the backup and without that drive most likely KC doesn’t make the Super Bowl. That was a complete team, they didn’t miss a beat.
That’s not just some fool, that’s our (forced) adopted viking fan fool Tommi.
Yep….Teams win Championships.
Not one player, or 3 players.
Lynn Dickey was your classic drop back passer and wasn’t very mobile. But neither were the top QB’s of that era. Terry Bradshaw was never mobile and won 4 SB’s. The game was much different back then. Dickey had a devastating leg fracture on the last play against the Rams at the Coliseum, I believed in ‘78. It was David Whitehurst not Randy Wright who replaced him for a season and a half. Whitehurst was a competent backup and I preferred him to Randy Wright. I don’t think Randy Wright came along until Lynn Dickey’s career was over or at least winding down. LT Derek Sherrod had a similar leg fracture as a rookie and never played again although he tried. Dickey may have throw INT’s but he put up lots of points. He had to. That defense couldn’t stop anyone. Jordan Love will have a far superior defense and won’t have to win the game himself. While Lynn Dickey had to carry the team.
If you’ve come here to worship Aaron Rodgers and make excuses for him Sean, you’re in the right place. Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers playoff record speaks for itself. One you have to make excuses for. The other two just find a way to get it done. In twenty years Rodgers will largely be forgotten remembered more for his eccentricities. While Brady and Mahomes will be remembered as champions. All the excuses in the world won’t change that, I’m afraid…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBd2DyfpvGI
Maybe Jordan Love can be Tommy Kramer.
As a rookie, Kramer in relief, came into the 4th quarter against the 49ers down 7-24, and threw 3 TD passes to beat the 9er’s 28-27.
Just as 3rd year player Jordan Love, came in the 4th quarter against the Eagles down 23-37.
This singular game convinced some viking fan that Jordan Love was now the future franchise QB of the Green Bay Packers.
As for the game….Jordan Love brought his team back to win….
Wait, check that…, Love helped his team by throwing a 9 air yard pass to Watson, who then ran 54 yards into the end zone for a TD in a 33-40 loss to the Eagles.
Maybe Jordan Love can be Tommy Kramer someday, and come into a game…and win it.
No Kevin, if Jordan Love is a more mobile Lynn Dickey then we’ve got something special. I’ll never forget that ‘83 Monday night game against Joe Theisman and the SB champion Washington Redskins. We won 48-47. Dickey balled out that game as he did many others. The defense was its usual atrocious self. Bob Schnelker was actually a pretty good OC. He knew Rich Campbell would be a bust even before Bart Starr insisted on drafting him something like 5th overall.
Personally I don’t want another Aaron Rodgers. I don’t want another diva you constantly have to scramble to make excuses for. I don’t want another QB that’s more interest in bull shit stats like TD to INT ratios, like that means something. You could win a lot of games with a Lynn Dickey clone and with an actual defense. A championship isn’t out of the question. One championship is all you got out of Rodgers. And he’s the best QB ever! Or so I’m told….
Ok
Lets try this again….only one more time though.
Now try to pay attention Spanky.
Jorden Love, will be Jordan Love.
Understand?
He won’t be a Lynn Dickey
He won’t be Kurt Cousins.
He won’t be Mickey Mouse
He won’t be Fran Tarkington, or the man on the moon.
Jordan Love will be Jordan Love.
BS stats like TD/Int ratio?
So we want a modern day QB who has 9 seasons of more interceptions than TD’s?
Yes, you read that right, 9 seasons Gomer!!
You want Jordan Love to be a Lynn Dickey clone?
In modern day football?
You got rocks in your head son?
Tommi thinks TD to Int. ratio is irrelevant…a “bs stat” if i may quote.
Stupid yes, but entertaining at the same time.
But then he keeps bringing up his hero’s Mahomes and Brady ad nauseam .
So…what are their bs td/int stats?
Mahomes…192 TD’s to 49 interceptions, almost a 4:1 ratio
Brady….649 TD’s to 212 interceptions, again a 4:1 ratio
But according to Tommi (and maybe his psychic), those are bullshit stats….lmao
So…(cough) Tommy, wants Jordan Love to be a Lynn Dickey clone (his words)
Lynn Dickey…149TD’s to 179 interceptions!!
Tommi…just how stupid are you?
I don’t think we’ve reached the depths of your stupidity, you keep lowering the bar on a daily basis.
Gomer, do this….
Put your Cousins jersey back on, grab your Sam’s Club bag of cheeto’s and go back into your viking forum where you belong.
Quoting information on Packer players, (games) from Wiki does not make you a Packer fan…even a pretend one.
You read like a simple book Princess, always have.
Have a nice day.
You left out the most important one, Kevin. Jordan Love won’t be as stupid as you are. When you replace an icon, you’re inevitably compared to that icon. It happened when Rodgers replaced Favre and it will happen now. Of course Love will be himself. He doesn’t need to be Rodgers, or Favre for that matter, to be successful. Personally I hope he’s neither one. Both had flaws in their games especially towards the end of their careers when the size of their egos no longer matched production.
Jordan Love’s skill set compares favorably to fellow draft class member Justin Herbert but that’s a tall order to expect him to be that good. We already know he’s more than DeShone Kizer. That’s quite the spectrum. A middle of the road, Lynn Dickey type career, would be acceptable and perhaps realistic. Those Bart Starr coached teams of the 70’s and early 80’s had many problems. QB play wasn’t one of them. Starr was a better HC than GM. As GM, he traded for Dickey and drafted James Lofton. Then everything he did after that was pretty much was a disaster. Jordan Love will have a superior HC, front office, and roster than what Lynn Dickey ever had. And that matters.
Like Rashan Gary before him, when you’re talented, humble, and willing to work for it. Good things usually happen. We should all expect good things from Jordan Love. The kid from Bakersfield wouldn’t have it any other way….
Tom M 45 mins ago
“You left out the most important one, Kevin. Jordan Love won’t be as stupid as you are.”
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Now that was very hurtful!!
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“Jordan Love’s skill set compares favorably to fellow draft class member Justin Herbert”
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Based on what Princess?
Your expert opinion, the 3 minutes Love played in the Eagles game, your psychic?
(See Royce Newman, or where you say that “Jordan Love needs to be a Lynn Dickey clone.”)
Calling others stupid Princess?….c’mon man, really?
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“We already know he’s more than DeShone Kizer”.- Princess
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Wow!!
Is this the same Deshone Kizer who threw for 11 TD’s and 24 interceptions in his brief career?
Is this the same Deshone Kizer who Brian Gutenkunst traded for?
Is this the same Deshone Kizer who threw 0 TD’s and 2 interceptions as a Green Bay Packer?
And you say Jordan Love is better than Kizer?
Well then…i guess the bar has been set!!…lol
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” We should all expect good things from Jordan Love.”
Forgive me if i take the wait and see approach before trusting your word to expect….anything.
I recall your words about a top 5 elite defense being crowed about, you told everyone to expect that, and that was why “we don’t need receivers!! lol.
Well, what happened?
Wrong again.
Thank you for understanding.
The mistake you’re making Kevin is your equating skill set to production and they are not the same. A certain skill set doesn’t guarantee production. It only gives you a guideline on what to expect in the absence of production. No one can say with certainty how Jordan Love will perform. But based on QB’s with similar skill sets we can project what his production might look like.
ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay predicted Jordan Love would be drafted ahead of Justin Herbert in the 2020 draft. He saw both players as very similar. Both big, strong armed QB’s with a first round skill set but questionable college production. You wouldn’t compare Herbert or Love to that of Tua, also in the same draft class. Why? Because Tua is much smaller, more mobile but doesn’t have the arm of either Herbert or Love. Tua is often compared to Russell Wilson and Drew Brees. Their skills sets are more compatible.
For me, I see a similar skill set for Jordan Love to that of former Packer QB Lynn Dickey. And that’s not a knock on either QB. I happen to believe on a better run team Lynn Dickey could have won a championship. So I’m setting the bar of a Lynn Dickey type player for Jordan Love but I’m not ruling out a Justin Herbert type player either. After a season as starter we’ll have a much better idea of what we have at QB.
Player comparisons are a constant in the NFL. The same is true at WR. Last year at this time we had no idea what to expect from Christian Watson. We had no sample size. We knew he was big, fast, and talented. But after his second half of the season break out, the Randy Moss comparisons are real. You throw in the smooth route running of Romeo Doubs who reminds me of a bigger Greg Jennings. And Jordan Love’s job just got a whole lot easier.
But the comparisons go far beyond Jordan Love. I’m constantly told that Aaron Rodgers is the best QB ever! Based on what exactly? Emotional attachment? Aaron Rodgers doesn’t not compare favorably to his contemporaries. Namely Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes who just win championships and play their best football when it matters most. The playoffs. Aaron Rodgers career closely mimics the career of Drew Brees. Both won a championship early in their careers then never duplicating it. Both regular season stat whores. Brees claim to fame was passing yards. Rodgers TD to INT ratio. Both stats meaningless. Both in well run organizations with offensive minded head coaches. Yet no one puts Drew Brees in with Brady or Mahomes. Yet misguided Packer fans think Rodgers is superior to both if he just had that elusive perfect roster. Sure Karen.
So ok, i think i got this now….
Christian Watson is Randy Moss?
Romeo Doubs is Greg Jennings?
If Jordan Love can be a Lynn Dickey Clone?
GOT IT!!…Notes taken.
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“You could win a lot of games with a Lynn Dickey clone and with an actual defense. A championship isn’t out of the question.” – Tommi
Super Bowl….HERE WE COME!!!!
FYI….Santa Claus is the Easter Bunny
“ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay predicted Jordan Love would be drafted ahead of Justin Herbert in the 2020 draft” – Tommi
So what’s the takeaway from that Princess?
Todd McShay clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about?
What point (year?) Tommi, do you realize the level of stupidity and ignorance of your writings?
Just curious.
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Tommi, let me try to help you, i’m going to go out on a limb and guess that out of all the internet forums you visit, or visited. This forum is the best that it’s gotten for you.
So if this is the best that life has to offer you.
Is there something wrong with that picture?
Kevin, you and your girlfriends are predicting an apocalyptic future with a return to the 70’s and 80’s based solely on hormonal emotion. Why? Because your hero no longer graces us with his presence and the organization is poorly run, you shrewdly surmise. I say, not so fast. The tape, the talent, the players tell a much different story. I see steady progress from our talented young QB. I expect big second year jumps from both Watson and Doubs. I see in Luke Musgrave as talent a TE as we’ve had since Jermicheal Findley. Not bad for an organization that supposedly doesn’t know what it’s doing.
But let’s say Jordan Love isn’t Justin Herbert or Lynn Dickey. Let’s say he’s more Kirk Cousins. Christian Watson isn’t the next Randy Moss but the next DK Metcalf. And Romeo Doubs turns out to be the next Tee Higgins and not Greg Jennings. Cousins, Metcalf, and Higgins are still going to put up a lot of points and win a lot of games. That means playoff appearances where their playoff record can’t be any worse than your beloved Aaron Rodgers.
Is this all speculation? Of course it is. But so is all the doom and gloom coming from a bunch of clueless Aaron Rodgers fans. If you take the emotion out of it. Base your evaluations on what the tape tells you, on the players on the roster. I see talent everywhere. Now they have to put it all together and put a competitive product on the field. But this isn’t your dads 1975 Packers.
Ok just checking, so if Watson and Doubs aren’t Moss and Jennings, they will be DK Metcalf and Higgins?
Seems completely reasonable to me Princess. Your reality based logic is not lost on me!!
Keep up the good work Princess. Fantasyland isn’t going to run itself.
Tom M 40 mins ago
Kevin, i never address any particular subject, or any facts you bring up in response to the things i write.
You and everyone here should know this by now.
I like to keep repeating and regurgitating things i have already brought up numerous times.
The Packers need Jordan Love to be a Lynn Dickey clone so he can get the ball to Randy Moss and Greg Jennings so Championships can be won under the leadership of Jordan “Lynn Dickey” Love, as i stated numerous times earlier.
Duly noted
Joe Montana, pretty fucking mobile
Fran Tarkenton, pretty fucking mobile
Roger Staubach, pretty fucking mobile
and at or near the top of QB’s of that era
“But after his second half of the season break out, the Randy Moss comparisons are real. You throw in the smooth route running of Romeo Doubs who reminds me of a bigger Greg Jennings.”
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Lol, here we go again. “The comparisons are REAL I TELL YOU! Just like when I told everyone that Darnell Savage was the second coming of Nick Collins!”
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“I see in Luke Musgrave as talent a TE as we’ve had since Jermicheal Findley.”
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😂 Grammar aside, you’re going to make comments like this about a guy who has never taken a single snap in the NFL? You don’t have a fucking clue and you’re completely talking out of your ass, as usual. Let’s entertain your idea IF Musgrave becomes the most “talent” TE since Jermichael “Findley.” Finley was drafted in 2008. It only took GB 15 years to find another TE worth a shit.
“Duly noted?!?” You responding to your own posts? Nothing bat shit crazy about that!
The first real dual threat QB from that era, that I recall, was Randal Cunningham. None of the QB’s you mentioned remotely came close to the Philadelphia QB. Montana, who played in the ‘80’s not the 70’s was your classic three step drop, get rid of the football, West Coast QB. Eddie Debartolo, then owner of the 49ers, used to tease Montana about having “chicken legs.” Steve Young, the QB that followed Montana was more of a dual threat like Cunningham. That was the early nineties, twenty years after Fran Tarkenton. Likewise the diminutive Fran Tarkenton could avoid a pass rush but was not built to run the football. Tarkenton because of his size limitations, struggled to get the ball down field on those cold December outdoor games in Minnesota. He also never won a championship after benefiting from the “purple people eaters” and a great Viking run game. I often wondered if Lynn Dickey could have won a championship in Minnesota had he, not Tarkenton, been the QB. While Rodger Staubach’s claim to fame was throwing the football, not being a dual threat. You’re confusing being able avoid a pass rush to being an actual threat to run with the football. None of the QB’s you mentioned ever had plays designed for them to run. They simply were not built to take that kind of pounding.
Let me see if I understand you correctly Kevin. You can compare Jordan Love with Tim Boyle and Kurt Benkert on how they’re superior. But comparing Jordan Love to Lynn Dickey is unacceptable. My whole point is this: Jordan Love doesn’t have to be Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes. What he has to be is a competent NFL QB, like Lynn Dickey, to be successful. This notion he has to be the next hall of fame QB is silly to me. Almost as silly as the “Aaron Rodgers gives us the best chance to win a SB” nonsense. Not really. What Rodgers gives you is the best chance to be one and done in the playoffs. And last year he couldn’t bother to do even that. There have been 13 SB winning QB’s since the Packers won in 2010. Not one of them named Aaron Rodgers. We’ll do just fine without him. Conversely QB Jalen Hurts, in the same draft class as Jordan Love went to the SB last year. While Justin Herbert also in Love’s draft class got the Chargers in the playoffs. Can Jordan Love be as good as either QB? He’s got to play to find out. Should be fun.
As far as Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs, I’ll just say this. You don’t like either player because they were drafted by Brian Gutekunst. The Packer GM you despise. I say by season end you’ll have your nose so far up their asses, you’ll be quoting their stats like they were your beloved Jordy Nelson. They’re both going to be very good. No matter how much you tell yourself otherwise. You made this same mistake with Rashan Gary. You’re doing it again. Which surprises no one…
Rashan Gary is not elite. He’s a very good player but no where near elite. The problem I see with Musgrave is his injury history. I’d be willing to bet he’ll miss half the season because of injuries. It’ll happen in training camp or the preseason. Watson and Doubs better show that amazing talent you say they have this year or it is going to be a long frustrating season for Packer fans.
Ascending pass rusher Rashan Gary is one of the top three or four pass rushers in the NFL and is going to make bank on his next contract. That makes you elite in my book. Aaron Rodgers got a 150 million dollar contract extension because he’s one of the top three or four QB’s in the NFL. He just can’t win in the playoffs. There’s very good money, then there’s elite money. Gary is elite.
Had Luke Musgrave not been injured, he’d have been at the top of a very talented TE class. From his limited exposure to the public, it’s hard not to get excited about him. Even Matt LaFleur lights up when talking about the talented TE. Still, with the injury, it’s why you double down at TE with Tucker Kraft. A talented TE in his own right. The TE position is such a big part of the Kyle Shanahan offense and you now have a QB who’ll actually throw to his TE. The sky’s the limit for Musgrave if he can stay healthy. We shall see…
An elite player in my book is a complete player. Rashan Gary is a very good pass rusher. That’s about it. Ever watch him try to hold the edge on running plays. Enough said. He’ll make bank on his next contract because the Packers have no other option.
“As far as Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs, I’ll just say this. You don’t like either player because they were drafted by Brian Gutekunst”
No one said they didn’t like Watson or Doubs, dumbass. What they don’t like is that these were picks that should have been made five years ago. They don’t like that the WR core was depleted to such a point, with no back up plan, that they had to bank on an UDFA to pretend that he could be a #1 WR. They don’t like that people don’t have the basic common sense to see that there is going to be a drop off when a QB loses the best WR in the league and has to make up for it with rookies that were either injured half the season or literally led the league in drops last year. They don’t like when players who have shown flashes of potential are immediately being labeled as the second coming of “whatever Hall of Fame player” based off of a handful of games. We all wish Watson and Doubs the absolute best, but given the situation they were put in they have a giant learning curve ahead of them with a first year starting QB and the fact that they are only second year players leading a roster full of rookies.
“aNyOnE WiTh A bRaiN hAtEs bRiAn gUtEkUnSt”
Let me ask you Cheese. How many balls does Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs get with Davante Adams, Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb on the roster? Because those three WR’s are Aaron Rodgers guys and he plays favorites. So you’d spend high draft picks of WR’s 4 and 5 on your depth chart? Money was being set aside for Adams contract extension and you’re going to draft a WR in the first round? How do you think that would sit with Adams? He was the star and you draft a WR in the first round? That wasn’t going to fly. Rodgers, to his credit, never wanted to draft young guys he wanted veterans. And that’s what he got. How did that work out for the assistant GM?
My God are you dumb. Why on earth did they draft Davante if they already had Jordy Nelson on the roster? “jOrDy wOuLd hAvE gOtTeN mAd iF tHeY uSeD a PiCk On A wR.” Newsflash dipshit, you can have multiple WR’s on the field at the same time. This isn’t the QB postion where the 1st round draft pick sits the bench for three years.
“Rodgers, to his credit, never wanted to draft young guys he wanted veterans”
Here’s the thing, when you draft someone and they’re on the roster for several years they become a veteran. Then if need be, they can replace the current WR1 when that time comes. But that can’t happen when you never draft anyone capable of being a WR1 for the past five years.
“Money was being set aside for Adams contract extension and you’re going to draft a WR in the first round? How do you think that would sit with Adams?”
OMG, someone has a contract extentsion coming up. Better not draft a position of need. I thought Gutekunst was running the show, not Davante. Gute also signed two high priced pass rushers and then drafted Rashan Gary to sit the bench for several years. Gute also drafted a first round QB to sit the bench and then gave Rodgers the biggest contract in the league. And you’re telling me they can’t draft a fucking WR because Adams was due an extension? GTFOH
Why it’s Cheese, the grammar queen! Good to hear from you! And just in time. Kevin is in over his head again. Surprise, surprise. I say you and Kevin will be beating each other off to Christian Watson’s stats by season end. He’s that special. But don’t take my word for it. You certainly didn’t when I told you Rashan Gary would be elite. While Romeo Doubs is already Jordan Love’s favorite receiver. He caught 40 balls last year. I say he’ll double that. How many catches did Greg Jennings have in year two? Of course both have to stay healthy but I say the sky’s the limit for both. As far as Luke Musgrave, I don’t see a lot of Andrew Quarless in his game. He has a skill set similar to Jermicheal Findley. If you ladies want to Debbie Downer’s, go be Jets fans. Things are going to get ugly in a hurry in New York and little Erin will need you to point the finger at everyone but him…
“Why it’s Cheese, the grammar queen!”
“He has a skill set similar to Jermicheal Findley.”
HAHAHAHAHA. Are you purposely misspelling names or are you too dumb to notice? Even after I pointed it out. If someone can’t be expected to spell basic words consistently how can they be expected to have their facts straight? Don’t worry, we know the answer.
“You certainly didn’t when I told you Rashan Gary would be elite.”
Elite with those 6 sacks last year? Gary’s never even had ten in a season. Kyler Fackrell had more than that and no one’s calling him elite. Gary is good. He needs to do more before people start calling him elite.
“While Romeo Doubs is already Jordan Love’s favorite receiver. He caught 40 balls last year.”
And how many did he drop?
https://www.nfl.com/videos/romeo-doubs-drops-rodgers-pivotal-fourth-down-pass-in-fourth-quarter
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LHws1Or7VWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx6XnAmmkLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKmEf9ECFgs
Let me guess, it was all Rodgers fault because he didn’t come to spring minicamp for walkthroughs in shorts…
“It only took Green Bay 15 years to find a tight end worth a shit”, that is IF in fact, he actually proves himself to be worth a shit.
He may well be, but that judgement isn’t made in May, June, July, or even August.
Sometimes not even for a year or two depending on circumstances.
What some viking and other fans don’t seem to understand is that players aren’t proven just because they got drafted, or just because they are hopeful, or just because they drink the kool aid, or just because they wear a shirt that says Carry the G
Sit down for this…..
Players aren’t even proven in no contact mini camp, OTA’s, nor are they proven in training camp, or pre-season.
The only way players can prove themselves is against full competition in real games that count. Not pre-season games where the coaches are trying to find the needle in the haystack against competition of players not likely to even make a NFL roster.
( i don’t understand how confusing it is for fans to understand this, it isn’t that complicated.)
I kept hearing the last 4 years how we had a Championship Caliber team, and/or how we had a Super Bowl team, mostly spoken by the crowd of people who crown drafted players before they ever play one down in the NFL.
News Flash: If we had a Championship team, we would have the Championships to show for it.
If we had a Super Bowl worthy team, i’m pretty sure i would have seen them playing in the Super Bowl.
The Voice Of Reason.
It would have been a championship caliber team Kevin. All we needed was Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes at QB. Instead we got mister regular season himself, Aaron Rodgers! He can’t play worth a shit in January but did you see his TD to INT ratio during the regular season? Now that’s sweet! That’s why you play the game! Screw championships!
Yes, and having another Kevin King clone and Adrian Amos clone couldn’t hurt in a NFCCG.
Maybe if we had a couple more inept plays in the last 5 and 1/2 minutes in the NFCCG against Seattle, we could have gone to the Super Bowl, what say you?.
Thankfully, IF Jordan Love can be a Lynn Dickey clone, we will probably win another Championship…like you wrote.
BTW Purple Princess, i’ll ask again….Will our defense be top 5 elite again, like you said they were…last season?
SKOL!!
I just want to know who you’re gonna blame when it doesn’t work out in New York? Arian Amos? Is that why the Jets signed him? Smart! Adrian Amos, Aaron Rodgers fall guy!
BTW Purple Princess, i’ll ask again….Will our defense be top 5 elite again, like you said they were…last season?
SKOL!!
Tom M 2 hours ago
Let me see if I understand you correctly Kevin.
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Lol…Save your energy junior.
Keep using your energy to write things down that go through your mind in a football blog, then deny you ever wrote it…lol
GO LYNN DICKEY LOVE!!
GO LYNN DICKEY LOVE!!
GO LYNN DICKEY LOVE!!
TAKE US TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP!! LOL
Question Purple Princess: Will the Packers have another top 5 Elite defense like you said they had last season?
Oh, cute lil Purple Princess….so entertaining!!
SKOL!!
Tom M 1 day ago
Base your evaluations on what the tape tells you, on the players on the roster. I see talent everywhere.
Remember when i said Royce Newman is a 10 year starter?
I DO. I KNOW TALENT.
I WATCH THE TAPE!!
Hey Kevin! How’s Tim Boyle’s career going? Ya know he beat out a 21 year old rookie with no training camp and no preseason. That’s got to mean something, right? Where’s Kurt Benkert bagging groceries these days? Piggly Wiggly?
This question is for Cheese and Kevin. If the 2022 NFL draft had a redo, who would be the first WR off the board? Christian Watson or Garrett Wilson? There’s no way Watson gets out of the top 15 picks and probably the top 10. And here’s a bonus question. What round would Romeo Doubs be drafted in a redo? Second round? Could he even have snuck into the bottom of round one? Only time will tell, but the early returns look promising.
This is where Cheese and Kevin hold hands and piss themselves saying, “but you have to draft a WR in the first round to help Erin or it doesn’t count!” Sure, ladies, sure. What have I told you from the very beginning? You can find good WR’s anywhere in the draft. QB’s, CB’s, LT’s, and pass rushers not so much.
LOL….So entertaining, just brings a smile to my face.
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And here’s these bonus bonus bonus questions, just for you Princess!!
1)What IF, Santa claus was also the tooth fairy in the off season?
2) What IF, the Easter Bunny’s legal name was really Bugs?
3) What IF, Jordan Love turned into an actual Clone of Lynn Dickey?
4) What IF, Royce Newman actually was …a 10 year starter?
5) What IF, Gute couldn’t find good receivers anywhere in the draft, would he then sign Devin Funchess, or Sammy Watkins, or both?
6) What IF, you lose your HOF QB, where would the Packers then sit in the NFL Power rankings?
7) What IF, you finally realized the readers here have been laughing at you all this time thinking your a damn fool?
8) What IF, you were told you looked better in a dress, than in a pants suit?
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ESPN Power Rankings 2023
20. Green Bay Packers
Post-FA ranking: 20
Most improved: Nowhere
This is an all-out rebuild, regardless of what the Packers want to call it. That doesn’t mean they won’t be better at some spots by the end of the season, but you can’t be better right now at quarterback going from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love, or at receiver after losing Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb, or at tight end after losing Robert Tonyan and Marcedes Lewis. Even on defense, the addition of first-round pick Lukas Van Ness makes the Packers better at that spot only if Rashan Gary comes back from his ACL, and that date is still TBD. — Rob Demovsky
No one gives a rats ass if you call it a rebuild or an expansion team. The fat on this team, Rodgers, Cobb, Lewis, Lazard, and the rest, needed to be cut. They had their chance to get this team a championship and they didn’t get it done. Time to move on. That’s the reality of the NFL. You want to live in the past Kevin? You and Cheese tell each other there’s no talent on this roster. Go ahead and pretend Watson and Doubs don’t have enormous potential. Let these kids go play. Let’s see what they can do together. There is absolutely no pressure on them because idiots like you who say they can’t do it. While your girlfriend in New York in now under enormous pressure and absolutely unrealistic expectations. Where every Jets regular season game will be treated like it’s a playoff game. And we all know how well your girlfriend handles playoff games..
I didn’t call it a rebuild, did i Ragnar?
I believe that is Rob Demovsky who covers the Packers exclusively for ESPN.
You seem to have a a lot trouble with reading comprehension Gomer.
Here’s a link to the power rankings if you can find someone to explain it to you.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35918448/nfl-power-rankings-2023-32-team-poll-free-agency-radar-signings-hirings-deals
If you don’t understand what you are reading, have someone intelligent read it for you and explain it to you would probably serve you well.
I’ve had to tell you this numerous times in the past, and frankly i’m getting bored with trying to help you..
If you want to stay blind and stupid, keep doing exactly what you’ve been doing Princess.
Maybe, try to stop being so angry all the time.
Like your Rodgers obsession, it isn’t healthy or a good look.
Isn’t life tough enough for you to deal with without having a bad attitude on top of it.
SKOL!!
Lynn Dickey was your classic drop back passer and wasn’t very mobile. But neither were the top QB’s of that era.
That’s what you wrote Tom.
So I gave you an example of three QB’s that played similar style of ball.
All three were mobile, I didn’t say they could run, that’s why RC was not on the list, he played a different style, fact is Lynn had feet of stone. They also played within the same time as Lynn. They could move within the pocket, it also didn’t hurt that they also enjoyed the benefit of a superior defense than anything the Pack could put on the field.
Lynn was one of my favorites and still is but he had two weaknesses.
he was a statue in the pocket due to knees
he had to take chances to win because he knew his defense sucked shit and was never going to be an asset, but a liability
Lynn Dickey vs Aaron Rodgers
I’m trying to figure out why Dickey isn’t responsible for all the Packer losses throughout his tenure and the reason the Pack never played in the Superbowl.
But somehow it was all Rodgers fault that was the case.
They both suffered the Packers nemesis. Bad defenses and questionable in game coaching decisions, hence one SB appearance between the two of them.
It depends on what your definition of “mobile” is Sean. When I think of mobile QB’s, I think of QB’s that are dual threat to run or pass. Every QB should have at least some ability to avoid a pass rush. Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick, Cordell Stewart, Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, Lamar Jackson. Those are examples of my definition of mobile QB’s. They’re also all black. There were no black QB’s in the 1970’s with the exception of Warren Moon. And none of the QB’s you mentioned were black or were they in the same class as those QB’s who came later on my list. Danny White who came after Rodger Staubach was actually a better example of being “mobile” as would be Steve Young to your “mobile” Joe Montana. And even White and Young would be a stretch.
There’s no arguing that the game is different than it was 50 years ago Sean. MLB’s played every down. Run pass ratio was 50/50. RB’s were valued as much as QB’s. And every QB played under center. I remember when Tom Landry used the shotgun formation in the late 70’s thinking that had to be illegal formation. And yes, QB’s didn’t need to be “mobile” to be successful. Five step drop, get rid of the football.
As far as Lynn Dickey, I’ll say this: Lynn Dickey never went 13-3 three years in a row and choked in the playoffs every time. If he did, I’d hold him accountable as well. Lynn Dickey had a terrible HC and even worse GM. Those defenses were god awful and he always played from behind. And while it’s true he had James Lofton and not much else. Aaron Rodgers had Davante Adams, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, James Jones, Aaron Jones, and the list goes on.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/733cdbae-0102-4898-a02d-b5d2550d1356
If you could replace Lynn Dickey with Aaron Rodgers. Would Rodgers still be the stat whore you’ve all come to love and admire on those Bart Starr coached teams of the 70’s and 80’s? Shit no! Conversely you put Lynn Dickey on those Ted Thompson/Mike McCarthy and then Brian Gutekunst/Matt LaFleur teams and you get multiple championships. Lynn Dickey had to do so much more with less than Rodgers. For Dickey it was never the quest for the “perfect roster” it was the quest for survival.
Aaron Rodgers greatly benefited from Ted, Mike, Brian, and Matt and isn’t the QB he is now without them. Rodgers hardly had to carry this team on his own. He always had help. Lynn Dickey not so much…
Tom M 2 days ago
There were no black QB’s in the 1970’s with the exception of Warren Moon.
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Wrong again Princess (TWICE)…..Shocking right?
Warren Moon played in the NFL from 1984- 2000.
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Black QB’s who played in the NFL in the 70’s include….
Joe Gilliam
James Harris
Parnell Dickinson
James Harris
Dave Mays
Vince Evans
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For those new here and don’t know Tom M. He is a know it all viking fan.
He is also a self professed, expert NFL talent evaluator. Need proof?
He taught us that Royce Newman is a 10 year starter in the NFL.
The reason he knows this (he tells us), and everything else is because…
HE WATCHES THE TAPE!!!
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If you need a egg Mcmuffin….Tom M. is your man.
Football knowledge? Not so much.
Tom M.
Aaron Rodgers greatly benefited from Ted, Mike, Brian, and Matt and isn’t the QB he is now without them.
So lol, before Gute and Matt, Rodgers wasn’t the QB he is now?
Gee Princess, how did you learn this?
By watching THE TAPE!?!?
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The one name i would actually include in that statement would be QB coach Tom Clements.
But then again, next to Tom…what do i know?
I never in my life ever thought i would laugh at a twat.
But because of Tom M. i now get to do it everyday.
Thanks for the memories Princess.
Where you go in the NFL matters Kevin. Matthew Stafford floundered for years in Detroit. Not because he was a bad QB, but because he was on a bad team. He gets traded to good organization and now he’s a SB winning QB. Archie Manning refused to let Eli play for San Diego because it was a poorly run organization. He himself was wasted playing his career in New Orleans in the 1970’s. Where you go matters. Would Aaron Rodgers be the QB he became had he been drafted by Detroit or coached by Bart Starr in the 1970’s? I’m not so sure. We all suffered thru a 5 game losing streak last year. Rodgers spent the whole time bitching and moaning about coaches and teammates and throwing them under the bus. Never taking responsibility. Now multiply that by a career in Detroit or Cleveland and Rodgers job just got a lot harder. We already know he doesn’t handle adversity well.
Thanks for proving my point. Let me ask you Kevin, how long did it take you to look up those four or five black, back up and third string QB’s of the ‘70’s nobody has ever heard of? As I recall, Warren Moon began his career playing in Canada in the late 70’s. Could it have been 1980? Sure, but I’m not looking it up. The first real black QB’s that were legit starters in the NFL were Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, and the often overlooked Doug Williams. If I’m forgetting someone, I’m sure you’ll let me know.
So…..you were wrong…..again, and again, and again.
Gotchya.
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When you talk like you’re an expert and know everything, don’t cry and pout when you’re called on it.
You were wrong, spin it how you want. But as usual, you’re still wrong.
We’d think you’d be used to be being wrong by now.
It comes so easy for you.
Just because your acting like a child again.
Here is another example of your ignorance.
“Rodgers hardly had to carry this team on his own. He always had help.” – Purple Princess
That must be one of the dumbest comments i’ve ever read….on any site.
If you watched Packer games Ragnar, you’d know that Rodgers has carried this team mostly throughout his career.
You are completely ignorant and stupid.
Even the most ardent of Rodgers haters would admit he carried this team for a lot of years.
But what do you do?
You take stupidity and ignorance to it’s highest level.
Why are you even on this site, is this as good as it gets for you?
Everyone here hates you, always have, and you know it.
But you stay anyway.
Damn…your life must truly be a miserable one.
SKOL!!
For Packer fans…..
Zach Kruse
Between 1992-2022, the Favre-Rodgers #Packers were…
2nd in wins (314)
2nd in playoff games (43)
2nd in playoff wins (23)
1st in points scored (12,451)
2nd in point differential (plus-2,208)
Only the Patriots kept them from being the NFL’s gold standard of last 30 years.
The Packers are spending 81.6 million of their salary cap on the offensive side of the ball this season.
That would rank dead last, but the all mighty Panthers hold that position at 76.6 million.
This is part of the cost when you draft 8 first round picks on defense.
This tells me that they better not have many injuries on the O line or this could be really ugly this season.
Unless of course franchise QB Jordan Love turns into a Lynn Dickey clone and Watson and Doubs turn into a Randy Moss clone and a Greg Jennings clone in their 2nd year.
(i read that somewhere)
Then the rest of the NFL better….WATCH THE F OUT!!
Tell em Princess.
What I’m telling you Kevin is the marriage between the Packers and Aaron Rodgers benefited both parties. The Packers were and continue to be a well run organization. I will always contend that Rodgers ego was his downfall for not being in the same class as Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady. Being coachable matters. Especially come playoff time where Rodgers playoff record speaks for itself. The fact that all you Rodgers fanboys aren’t predicting a SB appearance for the “best QB ever” in New York after telling each other for years it was Brian Gutekunst who held him back, is telling. When your only argument for keeping Rodgers instead of trading him is because of his contract and not because he gives us the best chance to win a SB is just as telling.
If how much money you spent made a difference on being successful in the NFL. Then Daniel Snyder would’ve had multiple championships in Washington. It’s drafting and developing that sustains the good teams in the NFL. The Packers have a roster full of young talented players eager to prove themselves. And that’s exciting.
BTW Purple Princess (4th try), i’ll ask again….Will our defense be top 5 elite again, like you said they were…last season?
SKOL!!
Hey guys, a little off topic but looking for advice.
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I got a little extra time on my hands (plus this site is slow) and I’ve been pondering trolling. I’m thinking of maybe finding a site like this dedicated to the Buffalo Bills or Miami Dolphins. I’m still contemplating which one. I could go on the Bills site and remind them what a terrible quarterback they had in Jim Kelly, but that’s kind of way back in the day. I could certainly migrate to the Dolphins and talk smack about what worthless garbage they had in the Dan Marino days, slightly more recent. Cuz, despite being one of the best ever, no ring.
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I won’t pick on San Diego. My brother lives in SD County and I kind of like the place as well. Despite a history of Dan Fouts and Phillip Rivers never getting a ring and proving how junk they were. Right?
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Great idea Mitch! And while you’re at it, don’t forget to remind them of all those great, black, mobile, hall of fame QB’s of the 1970’s. Because the game hasn’t changed at all in 50 years! And don’t forget to list James Harris twice! Just because you can! I’m sure Sean and Kevin would love to help!
I doubt Bills fans are quite as stupid as some Packer fans. I’m guessing the don’t tell each other Jim Kelly is the best QB that ever lived. Just remember education is a powerful thing…..
” I’m guessing the don’t tell each other Jim Kelly is the best QB that ever lived, Just remember education is a powerful thing” – Tom M.
I agree….
Kids…Stay in school!!
14 days until training camp, can’t wait for that to start, maybe there will be more articles here.
Hope springs eternal, so I am hoping that the O-line on the left is back and healthy,
I hope the right side somehow plays a hell of a lot better.
Would love to see both the young tight ends contribute, as I always felt had there been a consistent threat in the middle of the field would have done wonders as a whole for the offense.
I hope that Love can see the pressure and move and get the ball out quick without taking the hit.
I would like to see a defense that has 8 #1 picks can play to the talent level that is there.
It would be nice to see Joe Barry do something he has never done and that is lead a defense to being special.
Hey, hope springs eternal
Lets hope Love has more success this pre-seaon than last year.
The Jordan Love apologist are out in full force in this article.
But Howard quickly brings up some logical observations, based on reality into the equation.
https://totalpackers.com/2022/08/love-packers-fail/
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Tom M 11 months ago
We’ll be better a WR than most think. It’s hardly the liability many made it out to be.
Education is a powerful thing.
Stay in school kids!!
MORON!!
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From the dumb and dumber file……
Tom M 11 months ago
Don’t be surprised if Jordan Love isn’t your week one starter while Aaron Rodgers serves a suspension for violating the NFL substance abuse policy.
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PF4L 11 months ago
Tom M 11 hours ago
Don’t be surprised if Jordan Love isn’t your week one starter while Aaron Rodgers serves a suspension for violating the NFL substance abuse policy.
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Ok killer, whatever you say, i’ll be waiting with great anticipation.
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So entertaining 🥱.
MORON!!
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We were better at WR. There isn’t a team in the NFL that wouldn’t love to have Watson and Doubs on their roster. Both ascending players on rookie contracts.
And it’s had to believe we won’t be better at QB this year either. Rodgers was good for 220 yards with a TD and a pick on Sundays. That’s what 39 year old QB’s not named Brady look like. But we can all pretend he’s still 29 and it’s the roster that’s holding him back.
Jordan Love needs to be on a pitch count in the preseason now that he’s the starter. The 17 game regular season is going to be a grind. It’s Jordan Love or bust this year. The preseason will be irrelevant. You can’t determine if he’s an NFL starter playing preseason games. He’s gonna have to get it done come week one and beyond. We’ll know by the bye if he’s an NFL QB or not. Love is a talented kid that’s worked hard and will have playmakers around him. I like his chances.
From the Packer employee / Gutekunst apologist; “Rodgers was good for 220 yards with a TD and a pick on Sundays”
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Here are Rodgers #’s from 2022; 3,695 yds. (close, I’ll give you that one) 26 TD (way off) and 12 INT (again, way off). Perhaps the reason that you don’t like stats is that you are clueless as to what they are. Just one fictitious statement after another, truths be damned right salt?
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Personally, I am humbled that PF4L and Cheese (with the occasional help from Mitch, Sean, and a few others) have the patience and kindness to even deal with such an absolutely obtuse, fact-deficient, blathering buffoon as you. Trust me, I’m being kind . . . 1265 MUST be paying you, or you must be desperate because you cannot be this ignorant and devoid of rational thought when it comes to Packer football. Please, go ruin a Jets’ website, Aaron Rodgers is there now. The impetus for your existance is now a JET! You serve no purpose here anymore. Or go caress the homers at the regular Packer websites with your insipid homerisms and thoughtless machinations. You have bored most of us on this blog out of caring. Just go away.
Feeling the love Princess?
I know, i know, being despised online beats staring at the ceiling.
Anyway….What does a aging 37 and 38 year old QB look like with only one standout receiver?
It looks like…..
4,299 yards, 48 TD’s, 5 picks
4,115 yards, 37 TD’s, 4 picks
I’m confused, how does an old QB like that put up numbers that most other QB;s only dream about.
How can this even be possible, his name isn’t Brady.
What say you Purple Princess?
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Look for big numbers like that from Jordan Love this season. He can’t do it on his own but he has 2 weapons in Watson and Doubs, who we learned recently are the 2nd coming of Randy Moss and Greg Jennings.
(What could go wrong?)
Tell em Barney
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“It’s Jordan Love or bust this year.” – Tom M.
It’s interesting she uses the words bust, and Jordan Love in the same sentence.
Maybe that explains why the Packers wouldn’t give him his 5th year option or sign him long term.
What do they know that we don’t?
Or do we?
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Personally…i think Love is our next franchise QB.
At least, that’s what i kept reading and taking notes on.
Anyone else see that…..Princess?
SKOL!!
If Jordan Love turns out to be good. I just want to know how long is it going to take you ladies to crawl up his ass the way you do Aaron Rodgers? Eight, nine games? The whole season? Or will you play the preverbal Christian Watson/Romeo Doubs card and say I haven’t seen enough to make a decision? Even though Kevin already proclaimed Love a bust because with no OTA’s or preseason as a rookie he was behind Tim Boyle on the depth chart. You do understand we play 17 games now, right MMSUCKS? But if you want to get a hard on for 26 TD’s, who am I to stop you? We could have gone 8-9 last year without Rodgers. Saved a boat load of money and skipped all the fucking drama.
I understand. You’re all terrified. If the Packers turn out to be good without Rodgers then your hero isn’t the man you thought he was. “The best QB ever!” For 50 million, I’m sure everyone one of those 26 TD’s is a bargain!
Bottom line, your girlfriend was given everything he needed to win a championship and he couldn’t get it done. It’s on him. No one else. He had a chance to leave last year and decided to stay. Why? If the organization is as poorly run as you all claim. Why didn’t he go to Denver when he he had the chance? Because on a new team he can’t act out like he did as a Packer. Showing up to training camp in a wife beater and a man bun looking like he hadn’t bathed in a month. Talking his usual shit. Just the way you want the face of your franchise to look and act. Now with the Jets, he cuts his hair, takes a bath, brushes his teeth and shows up to OTA’s. And has reeled in a lot, but not all, of the crazy shit. But it’s still early. The honeymoon won’t last forever.
Tom M 2 hours ago
If
Tom M 14 hours ago
Or will you play the preverbal Christian Watson/Romeo Doubs card.
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Tommi Tommi Tommi
The first two times i showed you the error of your ways, wasn’t enough?
It’s proverbial, not preverbal.
I’m reading that and i’m thinking, wtf is wrong with you little man?
To do it 3 times and not learning from the first two?
On top of it, lets say you somehow learned how to spell…..
Is the ‘proverbial Christian Watson/Romeo Doubs card’ an actual thing?
SMFH.
Barney..lets take this and hopefully turn this into a positive for somebody, somewhere, shall we?
Kids…Stay in school!!
None of you meek and timid Aaron Rodgers fan boys are predicting that your hero goes to the AFC and kicks ass and takes names. But you’ll stand around with your finger up each other’s ass saying “he’s the best QB ever!”
Here’s my bold prediction. This Brian Gutekunst Packer team wins 9 or 10 games and makes the playoffs. With your belief system in shambles, all you fanboys tell each other how you wanted Rodgers traded two years ago. Sure, ladies….
Tommi Tommi Tommi….
Nobody has their fingers up anyone’s ass.
I don’t know how your brain works or what makes you say such stupid shit.
Not sure why you spend so much thought, thinking of men anal fingering each other and men on men orally gratifying each other.
This is not the speech of a normal mentally balanced intelligent person.
Is this some sort of fantasy of yours, or are you trying to come out?
As far as you trying to solicit readers to predict what Rodgers will do in the future with the Jets, i can only speak for myself.
WHO CARES?
I’m a Packer fan, so who cares.
It’s the Jets, they are a losing organization much like your vikings…so who cares?
Littleman…has it dawned on you yet, the only person who talks about Rodgers anymore….is you, which i predicted long ago.
Preverbal… 🤣🤣🤣
“Bottom line, your girlfriend was given everything he needed to win a championship and he couldn’t get it done. It’s on him. No one else.”
Given everything he needed to win a championship? Like having his top two WR’s replaced with rookies that were injured half the year.
It’s on him and no one else? Because it had nothing to do with a WR core that literally led the league in drops, a kick returner that led the league in fumbles, and a defense that is middle of the road despite have ten plus years of first round picks.
“He had a chance to leave last year and decided to stay. Why? If the organization is as poorly run as you all claim. Why didn’t he go to Denver when he he had the chance? ”
Because Gutekunst wanted him to stay. Because Gutekunst gave him the biggest contract in the NFL. Rodgers isn’t on Green Bay’s roster without Gutekunst’s approval, despite your victim fantasies of how Rodgers is this sneaky shadow GM. Gute could have easily traded away Rodgers in the midst of winning back-to-back MVP’s and gotten a kings ransom for him. He didn’t. Instead he gave Rodgers the biggest contract in the league. Who’s decision was that, Tom? Gutekunst is the reason Rodgers was here in 2022.
“Showing up to training camp in a wife beater and a man bun looking like he hadn’t bathed in a month.”
It was part of a joke in an attempt to mimic the movie Con-Air you moron. Grow a sense of humor, boomer.
Because I think the Packers are headed back to mediocrity, I’ve been giving some thought in the past weeks as to the quarterback situation prior to Favre and why the Packers never seemed to even sniff the playoffs. They sucked not just because the Packers had a bad defense, there were seasons in the 80s when the Packers had a decent defense. And not just because Dickey was not mobile. The Packers sucked in a lot of other ways. I think the scheme the Packers were running in the early 80s exposed Dickey to a lot of pressure and the offensive line was awful. The Packers had journeymen like Karl Swanke and Mike Koncar as the left tackles prior to the arrival of Ken Ruetgers in the late 80s and it sure seemed like every 3rd down resulted in a sack, although statistics show Dickey wasn’t sacked as often as Rodgers. Contributing to the problems in the 80s, the Packers had no running game, with Eddie Lee Ivery’s knee problems, the best running back of the 80s was Gerry Ellis who, again, was a just a guy compared to Walter Payton. By the mid 80s, Dickey was so shell shocked he actually took himself out of games and coach Forrest Gregg got rid of him in favor of Randy Wright, who was extremely terrible, throwing nearly twice as many interceptions as touchdowns in his career. Majkowski was a very decent QB, even though he actually took more sacks in a season than Dickey. For a year and half Majkowski was just about as good as any QB in the league, and I believe that if the Packers took Barry Sanders instead of Tony Mandarich in 1989, his 14 rookie touchdowns and nearly 1500 yards rushing, along with the arrival of Sterling Sharpe and Tim Harris’ 19.5 sacks, would have propelled the Packers to the Super Bowl and maybe kept Majkowski healthy a bit longer. Majkowski’s backups Anthony Dilweg and Blair Kiel were about as good Randy Wright, not NFL starters at all.
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I believe the Packers problems in the 70s and 80s were because they had no professional football people running the team until Bob Harlan came along. I’m hoping that Love has a better team surrounding him than Dickey and Majkowski, but we can’t be sure Love is even as good as Dickey and Majkowski were.
Good post Deep
An argument could be made that they still don’t have football people running the team.
You go down the list of the Executive committee and the BOD’s and they aren’t exactly football people.
Then you have Mark Murphy who changes the by-laws to give himself full authority over football operations, despite having no NFL experience dealing with football operations
The last three Presidents of the Packers prior to Harlan were Russ Bogda, a car dealer in Green Bay (the Packers never had a winning season while he was President), Dominic Olejniczak, who was a real estate broker (while President of the Packers he bought land to sell to the Packers for Lambeau field), and Robert Parins, who was a full time judge (he heard the Dahmer case). Harlan wasn’t really a football guy either, he was in marketing for the Packers, but at least he, like Murphy, were full time football people.
I had high hopes for QB Robbie Bosco after winning the national championship at BYU. But he never panned out. Like the Magic Man, he never recovered from a knee injury. Kenny Ruettgers was drafted by Forrest Gregg. Gregg also drafted Anthony Munoz when he was HC in Cincinnati. Ruettgers was never Munoz good, but was a solid, steady LT for over a decade. Ruettgers was from my home town. He or his wife used to drive around town in dark green jaguar sedan. With California license plate number: GB 75. I think he lives in Washington or Oregon now….
Speaking for all……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N1x0oz76vE
Was Bob Harlan “professional football people?” Or did Harlan just have the good sense to hire “professional football people” then get the hell out of the way?
Th problems of the 70’s and 80’s were a direct result of the organization living in the past. Much like Rodgers fans who refuse to let go now. We’ll be fine…..
Speaking for all……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N1x0oz76vE
But i digress…
So, lets see if i understand you correctly Spanky.
You’re telling me…that the 70’s and 80’s were a result of the Packers living in the past?
It’s not quite that simplistic, but considering it’s you, lets chalk it up as a win.
Would you like that?
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You’re also saying….that Bob Harlan hired an experienced football man, then got “the hell out of the way”?
Was Gute an experienced football man, did Murphy get the hell out of his way?
Not quite the same is it.
I’ll assume your rant is in response to my comment about Murphy?
Here’s what your simple pea brain is missing Goober.
I don’t think Harlan made his GM a puppet when he hired him, like Murphy treated Gute.
Harlan had the Packers by-laws changed to give the GM (Wolf) full power in football operations.
Now when Murphy hired Gute, Murphy did the opposite of Harlan.
He changed the by-laws back to give himself full power of football operations over the GM.
Just like my post above stated.
Do you remember any of that little man, or were you too busy trying to get Ragnar to sign your ‘Members Only’ jacket?
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In the future Tommi, try writing something intelligent if you’re going to respond to me.
In other words Tommi…stop dumbing down this forum
Thank you for understanding.
“He changed the by-laws” to do what exactly? Hire Matt LaFleur? Who did GM Brian Gutekunst want as his HC? I’ll help you. Matt LaFleur. So Mark Murphy hired the guy Gutekunst wanted. Those pesky “by-laws” always getting in the way.
So tell me Kevin, who was responsible for drafting Jordan Love? The evil puppet master Mark Murphy? Or his henchman Brian Gutekunst? Because Ron Wolf trading for Brett Favre was purely Wolf’s call. He ran it by Bob Harlan and Harlan told him it’s not my decision, it’s yours. Bob Harlan knew nothing of Brett Favre. Mark Murphy does not micromanage. He didn’t scout Jordan Love or anyone else. He lets his football people do their jobs and focuses on the many projects in and around Lambeau field. Why? Because without an owner with deep pockets those income streams are essential to keep an NFL franchise and an organization worth hundreds of millions of dollars profitable.
This is one of the many fallacies you girls love to tell each other over and over. The first, “Aaron Rodgers is the best QB ever!” Not with his losing playoff record. And second, that the Packers are a poorly run organization. You’re all going to find out we’ll be just fine without Aaron Rodgers. But not before you try and scare the hell out of each other by proclaiming “it’s a return to the 70’s and 80’s!. We can win without him. And you can thank the organization for that. But you won’t…
LOL…clueless viking fan getting himself all up in a lather before his shift at Burger KIng.
“Murphy, putting his stamp on the Packers, decided the communication breakdowns were severe enough to overhaul a system that has worked in Green Bay almost three decades. Just like Harlan, the success of his new business model will go a long way determining how his legacy is remembered.” – Ryan Wood
Funny thing….The “communications breakdown” discovery happened under Murphy’s watch since he was hired in 2007.
So that means, (for the simple minded viking fan) Murphy didn’t know for 11 years about any Silo’s, or communication breakdown of these people he worked with for 11 years. But those are his employee’s under him, so was he so clueless that he didn’t discover this until 2018? Gee…sure seems that way.
He worked with these people, in the same building, everyday for over a decade, and he was clueless?
Yes…give that man more power!! LOL
Seems to me, that Murphy was the leading character in the “communications breakdown”. as he was the one in charge and should have been aware of this problem, long before 2018 when he finally discovered the “Silo” problems.
Makes you wonder if these people even spoke to each other much, including Murphy.
Here Tommi, put on your Fran Tarkenton jersey and read this article if you want to learn something about the Green Bay Packers.
https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/01/08/dougherty-mark-murphys-move-comes-big-risks-packers/1013970001/
2019
Jan. 1-4 – Murphy and his search committee interview six candidates, including McDaniel and Packers interim coach Joe Philbin.
Jan. 5 – Packers interview Tennessee offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur.
Jan. 6 – Murphy convenes search committee. Most expect LaFleur to be brought in for a second interview, but Murphy decides to hire him.
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Murphy hired LeFleur.
You F moron
Gutekunst got hired as GM, but with training wheels.
Packer fans knew this.
I wish i could give you some money Gomer, then maybe you could buy a clue.
As GM, the humble and hard working Ted Thompson was loved by both the organization and fans alike. His health greatly deteriorated towards the end of his tenure as GM. I always thought he’d suffered from a CVA or TIA. Come to find out much later, Ted suffered from some form of CTE related to all those years playing the game he loved. Ted’s staff tried to protect him and insulate him. But as his health declined so did his drafts and personnel decisions. Ultimately the team suffered because of it. These “by laws” as you call them, were put in place as an extra set of checks and balances to prevent anything like this occurring again. And not because of some insidious, sinister plan by Mark Murphy to take control of the organization. Ron Wolf knew when to walk away. He said as much when he said, “ I can’t hit the the fast ball anymore.” Ted couldn’t let go, he needed help.
These power structure conspiracy theories always make me laugh. It’s should surprise no one, Kevin, you’re such a fanboy…
When Ted was having his problems….
Murphy did absolutely NOTHING, and just watched the team regress.
Murphy even said….”Ted will let me know when he wants to retire”
That was DURING the regression!!
Anyone here can tell you that, because they are informed Packer fans.
Finally…On National tv, a camera at a game caught Thompson with a gaping open mouth, seemingly looking out in space in awe over something. Shortly thereafter, someone from the Board or Exec. Committee told Murphy to relieve Ted of his duties.
So Murphy had to be told to do his job, which he finally did under order.
So to save face for Ted instead of just firing him, they “reassigned” him, and gave him some phony job title.
Shortly thereafter Murphy sold his house and moved back home to Texas while getting paid for an additional 3 years.
There was no job reassignment.
Everyone knows that, or should.
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The by-laws got changed for checks and balances because of Ted’s situation?
That doesn’t even make any sense
Is that your story?
You’re saying Murphy needs to be in charge so the Ted thing doesn’t happen again on his watch and hurt the team?
Dumb F….
He didn’t do anything about when he called have, he was Ted’s boss.
But if anything like that happens again, now, he’ll do something?
I changed my mind, ‘clueless’ isn’t a strong enough word to describe you.
Galactically stupid fits you better.
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Murphy was getting hammered that he wasn’t in charge, he wasn’t in control of the Packer organization as it’s President.
It was deserved, for not acting on Ted’s condition as it effected the Packers, and the team in a negative way for years, it was dereliction of duty and he probably should have been fired himself.
So when he hired Gute, he wanted to show everyone he was (in fact) in charge, because it was questioned, now stating he will make all the final decisions, he said all this himself multiple times in front of the media.
Hence why the by-laws needed to be changed back.
It (was) written that the General Manager had total authority over football operations since Wolf got hired.
Murphy had to “legally” change those by-laws Goober.
Are you getting this yet?
Is a light shining now?
The kicker was, about a week before picking Gute as GM, Murphy answered a reporters question about the GM’s authority and told him (us) that the new GM would have full authority over football operations, then a week later Gute was hired (with restrictions) and the GM would no longer would have full authority.
Why i take my fucking time to try to help you is beyond me you clueless fuck.
Holy shit.
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Bottom line…..
Murphy should never have anything to do with football operations, except, (as President) oversee the person in charge, the GM.
Simply because he had no back round in it.
So since he named himself the ultimate ruler of football operations in Green Bay, his time since has been mostly filled with team descension, drama and team mismanagement.
*could have
*Ted
” But as his health declined so did his drafts and personnel decisions. Ultimately the team suffered because of it. These “by laws” as you call them, were put in place as an extra set of checks and balances to prevent anything like this occurring again.”
Don’t blame Ted’s illness for Murphy’s inability to do his own job. If a person isn’t capable of doing what they’re supposed to, you let them go and find someone else to do it. You don’t need to re-write the entire front office structure so the president can meddle in whatever he wants. Nice try.
“Ted couldn’t let go, he needed help.”
It doesn’t matter if he wasn’t ready to let go. The president has the ability to fire and hire the GM. This is all a result of Murphy not being able to do his own job and trying to make up for it. The excuse of having to re-write the bylaws to avoid this situation in the future is total BS.
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“Jan. 6 – Murphy convenes search committee. Most expect LaFleur to be brought in for a second interview, but Murphy decides to hire him.”
Sounds like something the GM should be doing. Tell us again how this was “necessary.” I’m sure any general manager would appreciate training wheels like this.
Cheese, I’m not blaming anyone. That’s a job for you and Kevin on why Rodgers chokes in the playoffs. He certainly can’t be responsible for anything. What I’m saying is this seismic shift in the so called power structure is myth that is perpetuated by those who look to blame the organization for a lack of championships or “lack of weapons” or whatever other bullshit you’re pedaling. Aaron Rodgers just didn’t get it done.
If you want to blame Murphy for anything, it would be for holding on to Rodgers too long and not trading him to Denver last year. But according to you and Kevin that wasn’t possible because he was under contract. Even though players are traded under contract all the time. The thought of life without your hero was just too unbearable so you hid behind the contract nonsense. You played that card again when it was evident the he would be traded to Jets. It just can’t happen, you reasoned, because of his contract. How’d that argument work out for you?
Delfect, deflect, deflect…
“Cheese, I’m not blaming anyone.”
“Aaron Rodgers just didn’t get it done.”
“Ultimately the team suffered because of it. These “by laws” as you call them, were put in place as an extra set of checks and balances to prevent anything like this occurring again.”
Sure sounds like blaming to me.
“If you want to blame Murphy for anything, it would be for holding on to Rodgers too long and not trading him to Denver last year.”
I thought that it was the GM’s job to make roster moves and not the president. Are you telling me that Murphy should have used his newfound power to overstep his GM?
“The thought of life without your hero was just too unbearable so you hid behind the contract nonsense.” “How’d that argument work out for you?”
I never said it wasn’t possible. It needed to be a mutual agreement between Rodgers and the Packers. It didn’t make sense to sign Rodgers to that contract in the first place, genius. Not only did they get rid of his top two WR’s, they had a FIRST ROUND pick sitting on the bench for the third year in a row. Brilliant. Now tell me, was it Gutekunst or Murphy that gave Rodgers that contract???
“Murphy, putting his stamp on the Packers, decided the communication breakdowns were severe enough to overhaul a system that has worked in Green Bay almost three decades. Just like Harlan, the success of his new business model will go a long way determining how his legacy is remembered.” – Ryan Wood
Harlan’s business model produced 30 years of HOF QB’s, 3 Super Bowl appearances and 2 SB wins.
Murphy’s new business model produced descension, instability, and a new yearly goal of….trying to make the playoffs.
Now Tommi, lets give this another go (try) for the 5th time…..
Will the Packers produce another top 5 elite defense like you preached to us last season?
(Keep in mind we have 8 1st round draft picks on defense).
Also…a follow up question…if you have 8 first round draft picks on defense and they can’t make a top 5 defense out of those valuable resources, should we blame Gute.
Maybe get Mark Murphy involved, seeing as he now has full authority in matters of football operations?
OR….are you just going to remind us what a POS Rodgers was…..as a response to these questions?
If the question is too confusing for you in anyway that would not allow you to respond, just let me know and i can walk you through it slowly until you understand the question fully.
Tom M
If you want to blame Murphy for anything, blame him for his refusal to do his job when duty called and he did nothing.
Or blame him for not knowing that there were “silo’s” and lack of communication for years, with his employee’s directly below him even though they all worked together, in the same building, for years.
But he didn’t have a clue about it?
Wow…Hey, i know…..He is so aware, why doesn’t he put himself in charge of football operations!?!?
Great idea!!
Lets ride that road to success!!!
What are we looking at this season…6 or 7 wins?
YEP…..Keep up the good work Murph!!
“PF4L…..The goal is the same here as it’s always been, reaching and winning the Super Bowl” – Gute
Whatever you say Tigger, now go ride along on the Big Wheel that Murphy got you when he hired you as a Junior NFL GM in training.
After the interviewing process, and asked who was his preferred head coaching candidate to replace Mike McCarthy, GM Brian Gutekunst answered, Matt LaFleur was at the top of his list. It doesn’t matter who hired LaFleur. It only matters that he got his guy. There’s absolutely no evidence that Murphy and Gutekunst have any tension in their working relationship and don’t see eye to eye on personnel. By all accounts Murphy doesn’t mettle and lets his GM do his job. Yet the implication is that because Murphy deviated from Harlan’s business model of giving the GM total control has somehow compromised the organization is laughable to me. You’re seeing ghosts that don’t exist.
Franchise QB’s don’t grow on trees Cheese. You take them when you can find them. And when you consistently draft in the back half of the first round, that’s not very often. If Jordan Love turns out to be the real deal, and he just might. Then he was well worth the wait and the draft capital it took to get him. Trey Lance is already being called a bust which means the 49ers wasted all that draft capital to trade up to 5 to get him. The San Francisco 49ers could have drafted Jordan Love instead and saved all those picks. But they drafted a WR instead. Brandon Aiyuk. Because they thought they were a WR away from winning a SB. Aiyuk, is also the player we probably would have drafted had the 49ers had not. He wasn’t a difference maker in San Francisco and he wouldn’t have been a difference maker as a Packer either. But you and Kevin keep telling each other we we just one WR away.
Look at Tommi…he’s so cute when he…tries.
Never give up Sparky!!
Tommi explains to us that when another teams screws up, that is somehow proof that the Packers are a well run team.
But we have 8 first round picks on defense and were middle of the road to show for it?
That is spending draft capital wisely?
Meanwhile, the 49ers defense last season somehow ranked 1st in the league while only giving up 16.3 PPG.
Go figure.
That is what is called an elite defense, what say you Gilligan?
To be called an elite defense, you first have to be…an elite defense.
I don’t make the rules.
That’s just how it works little man.
Go back to your “by-laws” Kevin, and pretend they mean something.
The gold standard at QB in the NFL over the past five years and in the foreseeable future is Patrick Mahomes and it isn’t even close. Mahomes is his generation of Tom Brady. He’s been to and won more SB’s this decade than anyone else and we’re not even at the halfway point. Patrick Mahomes won his first SB against the 49ers who had the best defense in football and the slightly above average Jimmy Garappolo. Nine times out of ten Patrick Mahomes will chew up and spit out average QB’s like Garappolo. Yet Jimmy Garappolo owns Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs. That should tell you all you need to know about “the best QB ever!”
If 49er GM John Lynch could redo the 2020 draft, he wouldn’t have picked Brandon Aiyuk, Case Claypool, Tee Higgins or any other WR. He would have drafted QB Jalen Hurts. Hurts is the kind of young, talented, dynamic QB that gives you a chance against the best QB in the game today, Patrick Mahomes. Can Jordan Love be that kind of QB? Maybe, we don’t know yet. Aaron Rodgers cannot. Brandon Aiyuk didn’t close the QB gap between Mahomes and Garoppolo. QB, not WR, makes the NFL world go around. That’s why you take a chance on Jordan Love. Davante Adams went to the pro bowl last year. It didn’t save the very average Derek Carr his job, did it? While you girls cry over something that never would have made a difference, like WR. Brian Gutekunst looks ahead, preparing for the future. The sign of a good GM. GM Mickey Loomis in New Orleans did not prepare for the future. He put all his eggs in the Drew Brees basket. Not only did that strategy fail, it left the Saints without a QB for the future. Without a viable QB, it also cost the Saints one of the better NFL head coaches in the game in Sean Payton. Payton isn’t going to waste his time with the likes of retread Jameis Winston.
While you struggle with basic arithmetic Kevin, Gutekunst is mastering advanced calculus. He’ll always be light years ahead of your foolishness…..
PF4L 2 days ago
Now Tommi, lets give this another go (try) for the 5(6)th time…..
Will the Packers produce another top 5 elite defense like you preached to us last season?
(Keep in mind we have 8 1st round draft picks on defense).
Also…a follow up question…if you have 8 first round draft picks on defense and they can’t make a top 5 defense out of those valuable resources, should we blame Gute, or Rodgers?
Maybe get Mark Murphy involved, seeing as he now has full authority in matters of football operations?
OR….are you just going to remind us what a POS Rodgers was…..as a response to these questions?
Super Bowl winning percentages…..
1) Aaron Rodgers…100%
2) Tom Brady…….70%
3) Patrick Mahomes…66.666
You really are that stupid Kevin. You see, my mentally challenged friend, you can’t win a SB unless you get to the SB. Funny how that works. In order to win a SB you first have to beat the likes of the Jimmy Garappolo’s of the NFL. And we all know little Erin is Jimmy’s bitch come playoff time. Between the two of them, how many SB’s does Brady and Mahomes have under their belt? 10? 11? If Nick Collins doesn’t get that pick 6 against Big Ben there’s no guarantee we beat Pittsburgh in little Erin’s one and only SB appearance.
Here’s what I don’t understand Kevin. If Patrick Mahomes, who’s far inferior to Aaron Rodgers, with the 16th ranked defense can win a SB. Then why can’t “the best QB ever” win a SB with 17th ranked defense? Personally I blame Mark Murphy changing the “by-laws” and thereby upsetting the delicate balance in the universe. It certainly can’t be because Rodgers looked old and washed up in those two embarrassing losses to Detroit. Now that he has “the perfect roster” and a member of a first class organization in NY, he’s out to “own” Buffalo, New England, and Miami. While on his way to playoff victories over the likes Kanas City, Cincinnati, and whoever else might stand in his way. Just like how he brushed aside San Francisco and Tampa Bay in the playoffs in the NFC. Oh wait, that never happened, never mind…..
Super Bowl winning percentages…..
1) Aaron Rodgers…100%
2) Tom Brady…….70%
3) Patrick Mahomes…66.666
” Now that he has “the perfect roster” and a member of a first class organization in NY” – viking fan
LOL…The New York Jets, a first class organization?
Always keeping em laughing short bus…..
Never give up!!
I ask you Kevin. Is there really any organization worthy of Aaron Rodgers? Why, he’s the best QB in the whole wide world to only to win one championship 13 years ago. But it seems like just yesterday, right girls? When he fails in NY it won’t be his fault. Because nothing is ever his fault! I’m afraid New Yorker’s aren’t going to be as forgiving as you fanboys. Can’t wait for the train wreck!
I ask you Princess….
Do you cry yourself to sleep at night thinking about Aaron Rodgers?
Holy shit!
Now Tommi, lets give this another go (try) for the 5(6) (7th) time…..
Will the Packers produce another top 5 elite defense like you preached to us last season?
(Keep in mind we have 8 1st round draft picks on defense).
Also…a follow up question…if you have 8 first round draft picks on defense and they can’t make a top 5 defense out of those valuable resources, should we blame Gute, or Rodgers?
Maybe get Mark Murphy involved, seeing as he now has full authority in matters of football operations?
OR….are you just going to remind us what a POS Rodgers was…..as a response to these questions?
Rob Demovsky, ESPN Staff Writer
Jul 24, 2023, 03:08 PM ET
GREEN BAY, Wis. — All offseason, the Green Bay Packers preached patience with new starting quarterback Jordan Love. That was the mantra with everyone from general manager Brian Gutekunst to coach Matt LaFleur and even some players.
Patience now has a timeline……
“I’m comparing it a little bit to Aaron’s first year as a starter, yeah, I’d say at least half a season to know,” Packers President Mark Murphy said Monday. “And I think even though we ended up with a losing record that year, but we saw enough of Aaron to know that we had something special.”
Rodgers threw for more than 4,000 yards and 28 touchdowns that season.
Like Rodgers, Love spent his first three NFL seasons as a backup. Love has one NFL start to his credit, which is one more than Rodgers had when he took over for Favre.
“He was highly criticized when he drafted Jordan Love,” Murphy said of Gutekunst earlier on Monday.
The Packers used their first-round pick, No. 13 overall — which was acquired as part of the Rodgers trade to the New York Jets — on edge rusher Lukas Van Ness. It marked the 12th time in their past 13 first-round picks that the Packers have gone with defense. Yet the Packers once again underachieved in 2022 on that side of the ball. (The lone 1st round offensive player picked during that time, sat 3 years and showed next to nothing.)
LaFleur has scoffed at the notion that with Rodgers gone, it will allow him to run more of his system.
Gee….didn’t Tommi preach that for years?
Rodgers isn’t running LaFleur’s system…waa waa, waaa, waaaa., waaaa😭
Patience now has a timeline.
Tick Tock…..
Correction Mr Demovski
Love didn’t spend 3 seasons as a back up.
Tim Boyle beat out Love in 2020 as Love was delegated to the inactive list all season and therefore never dressed.
But i guess it’s close enough, it’s not like you need to be accurate just because you cover the Packers….for a living.
It’s official. Aaron Rodgers has reworked his contract. In order for the Jets to get 58 million dollars in salary cap relief this season. Rodgers will be due the paltry sum of 107.5 million in 2024! Imagine your hero hanging it up after this season but still collecting checks totaling 107.5 million! Aaron Rodgers would be the most hated man in New York since the “Son of Sam.” Smart move on the Jets actually. What’s the one thing we all know about Rodgers? He has to be loved. He has to be the center of attention. He has to be the all wise, all knowing, sensei who the common man seeks for knowledge and enlightenment! That’s not possible when the whole eastern seaboard hates your guts because you made 107.5 million to stay home and drink ayahuasca next year. Rodgers has been dropping hints that he’ll play more than one season. Not because of his salary. Oh no! He’s worth that, even if he doesn’t play. It’s because Brian Gutekunst demanded too much trade compensation! That tyrant!
Murphy is right. We’ll know by Thanksgiving if we have our QB of the future or whether or not we’ll need our two first round draft picks to move up for Caleb Williams from USC or one of the other top college QB’s. I think we’ll be just fine with Jordan Love. But if not Kevin, you can bet your unemployment check Brian Gutekunst has a plan. He’ll always be ten steps ahead of you and the girls. So go ahead and bitch and moan. It’s what you do. We’re about six weeks away now before we start getting some answers. Go Pack Go!
Observations…..
Rodgers is gone, but the anger and obsession still runs deep for the man with no life.
Yes…Our resident Little Man tells us the great Brian Gutekunst has a PLAN, if/when his great debacle of 2020 doesn’t work out.
According to our resident viking fan, Gute can spend some more 1st round picks to hunt for a new QB. Like the vikings did not too long ago.
Just as he’s been hunting for receivers since 2018.
Lets hope the QB hunt works out better than our receiver room, which has been depleted to next to nothing making our passing game the joke of the NFL.
But all is not lost, The Great Gute, has now hand picked another weapon to join the ranks of our skilled receiver room, in addition to the 8 pass catchers Gute has drafted in the last two drafts.
This is big news, so many of you should sit down for this.
Gute acquired Mr. Cody Chrest!!
Headline from Wisconsin Sports Heroics….(get ready for this!!)
“NFL: Green Bay Packers Fans React To Stunning Signing”
STUNNING SIGNING!!!!???….LMAO
YES!!….Chrest is a 2023 undrafted rookie out of Sam Houston State. Between his time at Sam Houston State and previous years at Harvard, Chrest played seven total seasons at the college level.
(7 total college seasons?) How old is he…30?😏
Chrest produced a Relative Athletic Score of 9.77 out of 10.0. At 6-0 and 193 pounds, he hit 38″ in the vertical leap, finished the 40-yard dash in 4.38 seconds and completed the three-cone drill in 6.77 seconds.
Yes folks!!…Those are Jeff Janis, Kevin King, and Julio Jones numbers.
Yes, this is the same 2023 UDFA Cody Chrest that has visited the Indianapolis Colts long enough to have a cheeseburger and fries, and then enjoyed a 1 day pass to the Steelers practice squad for a Hormel chili dog, a bag of chips along with a T.J. Watt autograph on his forehead.
Well…this signing should heal what ails the receiver room.
Good get Gute!! 🙄
Stay Tuned!!…Next week, we’ll tackle our 8 defensive 1st round draft picks and try to figure out why our defense can’t be any better than average.
Maybe…top 5 elite?
I thought i heard that somewhere once, or 30 times.
What say you Tommi and Gute?
In Gute We Trust!!
I heard he has…..A PLAN 😁
Tell em Princess
When it comes to anything on the football side of the operation Mark Murphy needs to just drink a big cup of shut the fuck up. Talk about buying the foamy cheesehead company, talk about the sled hill, talk about anything but don’t talk about the football side of the equation.
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I’m not saying he’s right or wrong in his assessment of the timeline on the JLo development. I’m just saying he should defer those types of comments to the GM and coaches who are much more in tune with players and working with the players on a day to day basis.
But, but,but….he’s the boss of football operations.
I mean….who could know more, or be more qualified, than him?
Well Mitch, if you’re not saying he’s wrong, then it sounds like you need to “drink a big cup of shut the fuck up!” And while you’re at it pour Kevin a big cup! What we need is Mitch and Kevin to “carry the G.” Whatever that dumbass statement is supposed to mean…..
Why are you so angry all the time Little Man?
You don’t know what Carry The G means?
BUT, you say we need to carry it?
Why?
Are you aware?….Do you understand how stupid you sound?
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GO JLO GO JLO!!
Tom M 2 hours ago
Go Pack Go!
I guess that makes Princess a Packer fan again.
I guess rooting for the vikings for so long will take it’s toll.
Look how Tommi turned out.
Carrying The G….from down the hall.
“I’m with you on Musgrave Al. I have Van Ness as the DROY and you have Musgrave as the OROY.” – Anonymous
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NICE!!!!!
I have the Packers winning the Super Bowl, i have Love winning MVP.
I’m thinking i have a pretty damn good chance at hitting the Powerball jackpot this Saturday.
It must be the start of training camp.
Carry The G!!
Breaking News!!!
Tommi is wrong again.
What are the odds, right?
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Tom M 2 days ago
“Rodgers will be due the paltry sum of 107.5 million in 2024!”
Tommi said gleefully.
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Tommi is the perfect combination of dumb. dumber, and dumberer.
In 2024, Rodgers will be due to recieve $37,525,000
Now, i’m no mathematician, but 37.5 million is no where close to 107 million.
What say you dumbass?
Like the Milwaukee Bucks in the NBA, Aaron Rodgers wants to be an NFL owner. That was never going to happen in Green Bay. But there’s nothing stopping Uncle Woody from giving Rodgers a slice of the ownership pie in New York. Especially if he wins a championship or makes several deep playoff runs. That would significantly strengthen Rodgers leverage.
Now the NFL did step in and say an active player cannot be an owner. Something about antitrust laws. That doesn’t mean Rodgers can’t be a part owner after he retires. If Rodgers takes anything less than his total contract, then he and Uncle Woody have make some sort of deal under the table.
If you’ll notice Rodgers has had a recent epiphany. Maybe I was too “triggered” maybe I shouldn’t have squeezed every last dollar out of the organization. Taking more of a Tom Brady/Patrick Mahomes approach to the team. He’s not taking retirement and wants to play multiple years. Why all the recent self awareness? I’m sure part of it is he wants to be loved in New York. But just as likely is he’s now seeing his actions in the lens of a potential owner. Now realizing he has been a dick and a distraction.
So Aaron Rodgers has bigger fish to fry here than just money, Kevin. He’s already got more of that than he’ll ever spend. He wants to be an NFL owner. Uncle Woody isn’t going to live forever. And if he can get his foot in the door and be the Jets next Joe Namath. Maybe he can parlay his token ownership into something bigger. He could be the face of a new ownership team in New York. Much like Magic Johnson now is in Washington. Or perhaps he’s sees himself in a similar role as John Elway was in Denver as a SB winning GM. He’s dreaming big. Nothing wrong with that…
Always trying to find a new way to villianize Rodgers, hey Tom? First it was “Rodgers took away all of Gutekunst’s and LaFleur’s power, and Aaron is the one making all the roster decisions and calling the plays!” Now you’re telling us Rodgers is changing his ways in an attempt to manipulate Woody Johnson into giving him some under the table part ownership of the Jets??? All because that wasn’t possible in Green Bay?? Holy shit are you a nutjob. Rodgers is a smart guy but you give him way too much credit. If Rodgers wanted to become an “owner” in Green Bay all he had to do was buy a $300 stock certificate. Several other players have done the exact same thing.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe Rodgers took a $35 million paycut not to “bE mOrE LikE tOm bRaDy,” but because he now has a GM that’s actually going to use it wisely? After having his favorite targets continually kicked to the curb, combined with 10+ years of first round picks going to the defense Rodgers probably just thought fuck it, give me my money.
Happy one month anniversary to the most recent article. Does this mean we have to buy Andrew flowers and chocolate? Or is it like a heavyweight title reign or a Billboard chart where we see how long it can hold the top spot?
” If Rodgers takes anything less than his total contract, then he and Uncle Woody have make some sort of deal under the table.” – Princess
Stay in School Kids!!
That Packer stock certificate isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. If you really think otherwise, you’re as stupid as Kevin. That 300 dollars buys you something you can hang on the wall and lets you pretend you’re an owner. You are not. I have such a certificate and I’m under no such illusion.
So you’re saying Cheese, Aaron Rodgers is giving away 35 million because Joe Douglas is a great GM and “will use the money wisely for the betterment of the team!” You’re fucking with me, right? No one gives away 35 million just because he’s got a swell GM. That money will get pushed into other years down the road or, as I said, be converted into Jets stock at some point. I’m sure it’s contingent on what Rodgers accomplishes in New York but Woody Johnson is old and wants to go out a winner. He’s desperate and will promise Rodgers anything at this point.
I don’t vilify Aaron Rodgers, Cheese. But I don’t idolize him like you and Kevin either. He’s a flawed QB of his own doing. No one else’s. I’ll call him out on his bullshit even if you won’t. If he wants to negotiate Jets ownership, more power to him. But he’s not giving money away. Even if you and Kevin pretend otherwise.
” I’ll call him out on his bullshit ……” – Princess
Yes Princess…because you are an authority figure….lol
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Do this Prince…Do some research before you click ‘send’.
Rodgers isn’t getting 107 million in 2024.
An active NFL player cannot hold ownership of an NFL team.
Do some fucking research before you spew your own bullshit
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You calling ‘someone else’ out on there bullshit is comical.
Next thing you know you will be telling all of us that Royce Newman is a 10 year starter.
Because you…are an authority.
SKOL!!
What’s the world coming to when a viking fan buys stock to the Packers.
More importantly, where would he get the money?
Maybe he bought it in a dream, or it’s just a new fairy tale…idk.
SKOL!
Just when you think Tommi can’t say anything more stupid than his last comment.
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Tom M 9 hours ago
I don’t vilify Aaron Rodgers, Cheese.
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Nooooo, you’ve never vilified Rodgers!!
Holy shit!
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What the hell is wrong with you little man?
“Rodgers will be due the paltry sum of 107.5 million in 2024!” – Princess
Translation of Tommi’s reaction:: Tommi was wrong…..again.
Regardless of any fairytales he dreams up….lol
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One thing is for damn certain though….Rodgers still lives in Tommi’s head, rent free.
As i called it.
As usual Princess, we’re laughing at you, not with you.
Keep entertaining us.
Never give up!!
Our little resident viking fan reads like a book.
SKOL!!
The voice of reason…from down the hall.
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The less Murphy speaks about anything related to football operations…the better.
Plus he’s a horrible speaker, he tries to be funny, then chuckles at his own jokes when no one else thinks it’s funny.
He’s painful to watch.
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So the Packers are going with Musgrave, Tucker, Deguara and Davis at tight end.
Then for wr’s they have, ‘veterans’ Watson, Doubs, and Toure, then….Melton, Chrest, Heath, Wicks, and some dude named Cotton.
On top of all that they are going with a QB to start his first season with this crew of mostly rookies or 1st year players who are still trying to prove they belong in this league?
Forgive me if i’m not full of optimism and chugging the kool aid.
You would think….that after sitting for 3 years the Packers could provide Love with better tools than this in his first season.
I’m not saying good players cant develop out of this bunch.
What i’m saying is……
Not only does Love need to prove himself, but all his help needs to prove themselves also. Even Deguara and Davis.
This is why Murphy is spouting off how the defense needs to come to the rescue, it’s because the tight end room and the wr room have been depleted to next to nothing.
Hence, why Gute has been scrambling in the last 2 drafts picking 8 pass catchers.
I didn’t like the move in 2020 trading up for Love, nor did i like upper management’s mismanagement of that whole situation.
But i never faulted Love, it wasn’t his fault.
Murphy is completely wrong on Love.
He deserves more than a half season with all the inexperienced tools he’s been given.
He deserves the full season, maybe even longer.
Shame on Gute for putting this kid in this position.
Starting in the NFL is hard enough.
But to do it with players that need to prove they even belong there, at the same time Love has to prove himself…is a disservice to Love.
I want to say that in some fashion…Love is set up to fail.
Good luck to Love, he is going to need it.
I’ll end it with this….
If Love somehow succeeds and becomes a proven NFL starting QB, it’s only because he’s earned it, and God bless him if that happens.
An article Title from down the Hall….
Can the Packers’ defense carry the team to start the 2023 season?
Team president Mark Murphy thinks they might have to.
And some interesting reply’s
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“I know the media loves Murphy because he creates news but I used to hate guys like him in my job (negotiating labor contracts). I’d put in a year of hard work getting a deal done and at the eleventh hour some gap-tooth numb nuts without a mouth filter would screw it up with a dumb comment to the media.”-Anonymous
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https://www.madmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imce/2014/12-DEC/MAD-531-Cover-20-Dumbest-NFL_54807ddef14ee0.87671272.jpg
“What, me worry?” = “We are not idiots!”
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“The obvious answer is NO! They were supposed to carry the team last year after we lost DA17 and had all new receivers. They had 1st rd picks on all three levels of the defense but failed to produce. Is it the players or the coaching? We have many 1st round picks and high RAS athletes but the defense still disappoints.” -Anonymous
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“Not quite yet. Just wait until the D has ELEVEN first rounders on it. Then, and only then, will they ascend to a lofty 23rd ranked defense. Yeah, baby!!” – anonymous
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“Joe Barry has been given 6 seasons and 3 teams’ defenses to coach, failed, and was fired from two of the teams. He should have been fired last year” – Anonymous
This is my favorite….
Not quite yet. Just wait until the D has ELEVEN first rounders on it. Then, and only then, will they ascend to a lofty 23rd ranked defense. Yeah, baby!!” – anonymous
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Then there is this nugget….
“Joe Barry has been given 6 seasons and 3 teams’ defenses to coach, failed, and was fired from two of the teams. He should have been fired last year” – Anonymous
To be fair, it’s possible that MLF wanted to fire him, and Murphy wouldn’t let him.
Because Murphy is in charge of everything football operations, as he preached to everyone.
So at the end of the day, Gute and MLF cannot do what they want, WITHOUT the approval of Mark Murphy.
Someday…the training wheels have to come off and let Gute and MLF do their job.
Looks like that will have to wait until 2025, when the head of football operations retires.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/cf7f178d-0293-49aa-8bab-e5dfb7efaf8c
No more bullshit from the two of you. For years all I heard was Aaron Rodgers needs a first round WR. He’s got one in New York, and a good one too. Garrett Wilson. Along with his had picked WR’s in Randall Cobb and Allen Lazard. The other bullshit excuse I heard over and over is Brian Gutekunst held the team back. Now, according to Cheese, Joe Douglas is so superior a GM, Aaron Rodgers wants to give back 35 million out of the goodness of his heart. Sure he does. Then your boy better win a championship now, this year. He’s fresh out of bullshit excuses. Why is winning a championship so hard if you’re “the best QB ever?” Maybe because he’s not. I understand that shatters your fragile belief system.
Jordan Love will start all season Kevin, win or lose. But you’ll know 6 or 8 games in if he can play. He’s had three years on the bench and knows the offense. He’s no rookie. The evaluation process will come rather quickly. It’s now or never. Mark Murphy is absolutely right on this. Jordan Love will have a far superior supporting cast than Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence or any number of other first round QB’s when they started. I don’t make excuses for Rodgers and I won’t for Love either. I don’t hold Love to the same standard as Rodgers but I’ve got to see something rather quickly. This is year four for him and he knows what’s at stake. Gutekunst has this team set up for success. I see young talent everywhere on this roster. The NFL is a young man’s game. I think this team will surprise a lot of people.
Ted Thompson was good at many things. Public speaking wasn’t one of them. That didn’t stop him from building a SB winning team. I expect my team president to do three things. Hire a competent GM. Hire a competent HC. Then lastly, stay the hell out of the way and let the GM and HC work together to do their jobs. Mark Murphy has done all three. Games aren’t won or lost on how well Murphy speaks at a shareholders meeting in July.
https://www.madmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imce/2014/12-DEC/MAD-531-Cover-20-Dumbest-NFL_54807ddef14ee0.87671272.jpg
“What, me worry?” = “We are not idiots!”
“Mark Murphy has done all three.” – Tommi
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You clearly are a clueless dipshit.
Tom M 1 hour ago
Why is winning a championship so hard if you’re “the best QB ever, because all you need is a good QB to win a Championship, that it’s, just a QB.
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Whatever you say Mr. Angry.
Jordan Love will start all season Kevin, win or lose, or injury. But you’ll know 6 or 8 games in if he can play. He’s had three years on the bench and knows the offense.” – Mr. Angry
Maybe it isn’t just about Love knowing the offense Nancy, Does Musgrave, Reed, Kraft know it?
Gomer….Do any of the receivers who never caught a pass in the NFL know the offense, route tree’s, have the timing down?
Are they all NFL ready to be consistent producers Goober?
You’re not a real deep thinker are you Princess.
Maybe that’s why you get so angry all the time, because you don’t get it.
Nothing wrong with being a simple man Tommi.
But being simple and stupid is a bad combination.
It’s make or break this season for both Jordan Love and Joe Barry.
It took all of about 6 games to know that both Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs were the real deal. It took only training camp to know J’mon Moore couldn’t play. You can either play the game or you can’t. You can’t fake it in the NFL. Jordan Love will have far superior WR’s than nut job Chase Claypool and fringe player Equamineous St Brown that Justin Fields had last year. Jordan Love has plenty of help.
Joe Barry’s defense played much better the second half of the season when his scheme was more aggressive and less of the zone defense he played to start the season. He’s got all the talent he needs. More than he ever had in Detroit or Washington. He’s coaching for his job and he knows it.
Divorces are always messy and full of drama. Yet I’d rather have a talented young QB and the draft picks from a Rodgers trade. Than the habitual excuses and finger pointing that comes with yet another Aaron Rodgers playoff loss.
Yes, Doubs is proven….in the first 7 games Doubs had 240 yards and 2 fumbles, for the season he had 425 yards and 3 TD’s, to go along with his almost league leading 6 drops (the real deal, per Princess).
Watson was far more promising with 611 yards and 7 TD’s.
We’ll hope for that 2nd year leap. Lets be real, the Packers desperately need it to happen
Usually rookies don’t get as many targets as these two did, but who else was available to throw to?
Lazard a #3, a has been #2 some years back,, hood ornament tight end, and then some nobody’s.
All provided by Gute.
Thanks Gute.
Gute now provides Love with Doubs and Watson, then (so far) a bunch of nobody’s
Nobody’s = rookies who never played a down in the NFL.
Thanks Gute.
” It took only training camp to know J’mon Moore couldn’t play. ” – Dufous
J’mon Moore was not cut after training camp, he made the 2018 roster, and wasn’t released until August 2019. 15 months after being drafted and signed.
Tommi is wrong again….shocking.
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“Joe Barry’s defense played much better the second half of the season when his scheme was more aggressive and less of the zone defense he played to start the season. He’s got all the talent he needs.” – Dufous
Ok then, for the 7th try……
Will the Packers have a top 5 elite defense (again) this season.
You crowed about a top 5 elite defense all last off season…you tell us now how much better the defense was late last season.
So tell us about this seasons defense Tommi with 8 first round picks….Top 5 Elite, or league average…again?
If you want to be your normal lettuce head self, just ignore the question …as usual.
Jordan Love will start all season Kevin, win or lose, or injury. But you’ll know 6 or 8 games in if he can play. He’s had three years on the bench and knows the offense.” – Mr. Angry
Maybe it isn’t just about Love knowing the offense Nancy, Does Musgrave, Reed, Kraft know it?
Gomer….Do any of the receivers who never caught a pass in the NFL know the offense, route tree’s, have the timing down?
Are they all NFL ready to be consistent producers Goober?
You’re not a real deep thinker are you Princess.
Maybe that’s why you get so angry all the time, because you don’t get it.
Nothing wrong with being a simple man Tommi.
But being simple and stupid is a bad combination.
Days after Payton took a shot at former Broncos head coach Nathaniel Hackett, who is now the Jets’ offensive coordinator, Rodgers came to Hackett’s defense by lashing out at Payton’s comments.
“Yeah, I love Nathaniel Hackett, and those comments were very surprising, for a coach to do that to another coach,” Rodgers told Peter Schrager on Back Together Weekend on NFL+.
Rodgers added: “I thought it was way out of line, inappropriate, and I think he needs to keep my coach’s name out of his mouth.”
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What we have here is…..a friend having another friends back.
If you had any Tommi, you’d understand.
Sean Payton needs to STFU. Sean Payton was suspended for a year over “bounty gate.” He’s hardly clean himself. Some guys are better coordinators than head coaches and that might be the case with Hackett. The Broncos were in 6 or 7 one score games with three or four going into OT. It’s not like they were getting blown out. Throw in the fact that Russell Wilson was absolutely awful, even worse than 39 year old Aaron Rodgers last year, and it’s no wonder the Broncos were as bad as they were. Sean Payton needs to focus on the future. That roster isn’t as good as some thought and that division is absolutely brutal. There’s a reason Rodgers didn’t go to Denver when he had the chance.
Kevin, you’re doing that thing you always do. You’ve got tunnel vision on stats. If you can play, the stats will come. Both Watson and Doubs can play. The stats will take care of themselves. More importantly the two WR’s will help Jordan Love get established as a legitimate NFL QB. If the rookies can play, then they’ll help. If it takes time then you rely heavily on your defense and run game along with Watson and Doubs. There’s plenty there for a hotshot young QB ready to make a name for himself in the NFL to make it work. You don’t hear Jordan Love crying like a little bitch like the rest of you ladies.
As far as the defense I’ll say this. As disappointing as the defense was last year, they finished 17th overall just behind Kansas City’s 16th ranked defense that won a SB. Of course they had one of the best QB’s ever to play the game. While we were stuck with a washed up old queen. But you go ahead Kevin and blame someone else. It’s what you girls do. I think if we get Rashan Gary and Eric Stokes back early and Joe Barry plays man and stays aggressive. Then a top 10 defense is attainable. Considering after all the injuries and underachieving from last year and we were still ranked 17th, I think top ten is doable. We shall see.
Jordan Love will start all season Kevin, win or lose, or injury. But you’ll know 6 or 8 games in if he can play. He’s had three years on the bench and knows the offense.” – Mr. Angry
Maybe it isn’t just about Love knowing the offense Nancy, Does Musgrave, Reed, Kraft know it?
Gomer….Do any of the receivers who never caught a pass in the NFL know the offense, route tree’s, have the timing down?
Are they all NFL ready to be consistent producers Goober?
You’re not a real deep thinker are you Princess.
Maybe that’s why you get so angry all the time, because you don’t get it.
Nothing wrong with being a simple man Tommi.
But being simple and stupid is a bad combination.
“So you’re saying Cheese, Aaron Rodgers is giving away 35 million because Joe Douglas is a great GM and “will use the money wisely for the betterment of the team!” You’re fucking with me, right? No one gives away 35 million just because he’s got a swell GM.”
You stupid motherfucker. You’ve been ranting for years that Rodgers needs to take a paycut so the team can sign additional players. “rOdGeRs nEeDs tO bE mOrE LiKe tOm bRaDy aNd tAkE a pAyCuT!!”
Now that he takes a paycut with the Jets you twist it into some idiotic bullshit that Rodgers wants to become some under the table partial owner of the Jets?!?!?! You’re absolutely fucking retarded. Let me guess, every player that takes a paycut is trying to become a partial owner???? And Aaron Jones just got duped with his paycut he just took because, you guessed it, the team is owned by the community! OMG, I bet he wishes he went to the Jets to take a paycut instead because Woody Johnson is just giving the whole fucking team away to anyone who takes a paycut!
Did Tom Brady end up partial owner of the Patriots because of his paycut? Is Jerome Bettis partial owner of the Steelers? Is Darius Slayton Partial owner of the New York Giants? No, they’re not. Never, ever, ever has an owner given a player a player partial ownership of their team for any reason, let alone because they took a paycut. You fucking idiot.
“I don’t vilify Aaron Rodgers, Cheese. But I don’t idolize him like you and Kevin either.”
You. Are. Insane.
“There’s a reason Rodgers didn’t go to Denver when he had the chance.”
Yeah, and that reason is because Brian Gutekunst wanted him in Green Bay. That’s why Brian Gutekunst gave him the biggest contract in the NFL. It was 100% Brian Gutekunsts decision. Unless you want to tell me that Rodgers used his Jedi mind tricks to give himself his own contract.
Cheese if you think Aaron Rodgers is being Altruistic with his new team and has suddenly learned life lessons, live the fantasy my friend.
Here’s what we know. Aaron Rodgers wants team ownership and was in negotiations with the Jets on a revised contract. The league office stepped in and said no, citing antitrust laws for active players being partial owners. That doesn’t mean it can’t happen after he retires. We know Woody Johnson wants a winner and he wants more than a one year commitment. If Rodgers can deliver, you’ve got to believe team ownership is the carrot Uncle Woody is dangling in front of Rodgers.
Rodgers just signed a complicated seven year contract extension. With the back end of the contract looking much like the contract Murphy offered Favre to stay retired. He gets 75 million over the next two years. Then in 2025 he’s eligible for another 35 million under certain conditions.
For what it’s worth Mike Florio from NBC sports is saying the same thing. “That 35 million contract reduction will come at a price. And that price will be partial team ownership for Aaron Rodgers.”
Aaron has gotten everything he’s ever negotiated in his contracts. Money, in put in personnel, his buddies on the team. You name it. He’s now set his sights on team ownership. If you think he’s backed off just because the NFL told him no. Then your incredibly naive Cheese. This is all calculated to get Aaron Rodgers what he ultimately wants and I’m fine with it. But I can see it for what it is. Evidently you cannot.
Tom M 4 weeks ago
Lynn Dickey was your classic drop back passer and wasn’t very mobile.
Man, the things i learn in here.
I need to write that down.
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Tom M 22 mins ago
Cheese if you think Aaron Rodgers is being Altruistic with his new team…”
Wow…somebody leaned a new $20 word..he must be smart!! 🙄
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“For what it’s worth Mike Florio from NBC sports is saying…..”
OMFG!!…if Mike Florio said it……..”
LOL…dumbass 🥱
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I can’t stop being obsessed with Rodgers, i mentioned Rodgers 7 times up above, do i have problems?” – Tom M
Is water wet?
Entertaining conversation from down the hall…
Between a guy named ColdWorld, and some goofy bastard named Since 75′
Enjoy.
https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/the-lass-word-love-or-rodgers-who-started-out-with-the-better-team-703#comment-681332
At training camp the defense plays against the offense and they keep track of wins/losses.
So far the defense is 5-0 against the offense
I find that shocking.
A first year starter, coupled with a bunch of rookies plus 2 veteran receivers with 1 season under their belt. Doesn’t make sense…..does it.
Ignoring the offense along with draft and free agency misses has takin it’s toll
Who would have ever thought that they’d struggle and couldn’t win 1 time against the defense?
What will they do against defenses in the regular season that they don’t know so well and where Love can’t wear the red jersey.
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In more positive developments…..
BIG NEWS….Jordan Love threw a ‘dime’ to Christian Watson (in camp), only 2,749 more and he will tie Rodgers for throwing dimes.
https://youtube.com/shorts/4rj_dsunpVA?feature=share
Also….
Jordan Love met Peyton Manning who visited the Packers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHNVb2MrDNw