David Bakhtiari uttered the word “rebuild” and the new twitter world was all a flutter. How could he say this? He’s creating controversy for the team! Oh no, the sky is falling above Lambeau Field. Look at the plain facts.
The Packers have jettisoned their 17 year former MVP quarterback. Their 16 year former All-Pro kicker. Add on their 12 year wide receiver, a 5 year wide receiver, 5 year tight end, 7 year defensive end. All of these players were either Packer draft picks or UDFA signings.
In addition to draft picks add to this list a 17 year vet at tight end who is acknowledged as a clubhouse leader, a seven-year veteran at safety and 7 year vet on the defensive line that were free agent signings after stints with other clubs.
That adds up to 93 years of NFL experience to the tune of just over 57 million in dead cap money, approximately 25% of the available dollars an NFL team can use to sign players. Kicked to the curb. Take David Bakhtiari and Preston Smith out of the equation and you see a lot of wide-eyed young starters with less than 2 full seasons under their belts.
Packer fans, that is the definition of a rebuild. A rebuild aimed at producing in 2024. If your NFL game plan is to compete for a Super Bowl in 2023 with 25% of your financial power tied behind your back, you need to re-examine your game plan. If you went all in financially two years ago and even one year ago, but came up short, you have a choice.
Play out 2023 with an old quarterback who is more focused on his battle for supremacy in the building than on the field, or bite the bullet and regroup. The Packers have bitten a mighty big slug, but it was the only way back to financial stability and player development.
They cast off every receiver that may have doubted Jordan Loves’ ability to succeed, The Rodgers bandwagon crew that produced nothing in 2022. They have been replaced by eager young athletes that overshadowed the old guard with athleticism and speed but still need to learn the NFL game.
Yes, the coaches continue to refuse to use the word “rebuild”. It is their job to coach players to win and to expect to win every game they step on a field to play. To coaches, the word is dirty, taboo. But any honest observer can see this team is aiming for 2024 and that wins in 2023 are an added bonus.
This is not an attempt to say the Packers won’t be competitive. But if the Packers make it to Las Vegas for Super Bowl LVIII, they will have exceeded every expectation and bankrupted a few sport-books in the process.
Rebuild, reload, retool, call it whatever you like. It does not matter. Had they stayed, Aaron Rodgers, Allan Lazard, and Randall Cobb were not taking the Packers to the Super Bowl. And the Holy Trinity won’t be working miracles in New York either. The only miracle was the second and first round picks Brian Gutekunst fleeced from Joe Douglas for a 39 year old QB who can’t win in the playoffs and barely threw for 200 yards a game all last season.
After signing his 150 million contract extension, Aaron Rodgers mailed it in. He never wanted to be there, was nowhere to be found in the offseason when he could have been working with his talented rookie WR’s, then constantly rolling his eyes and throwing his hands up in the air because they couldn’t read his mind. And let’s not forget throwing his teammates and coaches under the bus during a 5 game losing streak when he, himself, played like shit. Contrast that with Patrick Mahomes who likewise lost his best WR in Tyreek Hill. He never missed an offseason workout or mini camp working with his new guys because it matters. But then Mahomes signs team friendly deals and doesn’t get into pissing contests with management and actually wins championships.
Look, I have no problem with what David Bakhtiari said. He’s Rodgers buddy and this will be his last season in Green Bay and he knows it. If he wants to be jaded so be it. Not a good look after the tens of millions of dollars he’s been paid to play football. It’s no different from what Romeo Doubs said about Jordan Love. Doubs said he saw no difference between Love and Rodgers. Of course there’s a difference but Doubs is supporting his guy. Just like Bakhtiari is going to support Rodgers in his feud with management. You’ve got to back your buddies play. Bakhtiari and Doubs are doing just that. Just don’t read too much into it.
Tune in tomorrow when Tommi disparages Rodgers for the 1,389th time, because 1,388 times, just isn’t enough.
Poor guy, reading his comments for years i question whether he ever smiles.
Well fuck me Jennifer Hale, another article already?
Lets stick to something positive, like Green Bay Packer training camp and take a look inside at the happenings with the Wisconsin Sports Heroics…..
Against all odds Jordon Love has been making serious strides. One look at the connection to Watson should speak volumes on where Love is at this stage of camp preparing for the regular season as QB #1.
Look at this connection with Watson!!
Just imagine what he could do in a real game, with a real O line on the field, against another teams defense, maybe in full uniform, not wearing just shorts and the red jersey.
That throw and connection with Watson deserves a heap of praise, maybe even an article with the headline…Packer fans go crazy over Jordan Love!!
That throw is going VIRAL!!!
Amazing, it took my breath away.
How many QB’s can pull that throw off?
One that i know of….
Jordan Alexander Love, that’s who.
You can almost imagine Watson high pointing that ball under double, maybe triple coverage, i mean..if there were defenders on the field…right?
The same imagination that pictures Love escaping a blitz and completing that pass to Watson, again, if there was a defense on the field.
But lets keep this real, that pass is amazing as it’s played. We should call that the miracle pass in TitleTown.
That pass is going viral!!
I’m so excited.
Watch out Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes, the Packers are coming to eat your lunch.
It’s deserved, Love earned all the praise.
There is a new sheriff in town people, his name is Jordan Love.
I watch that video and my jaw drops as i mouth the words…WOW!!!
Take a look….
https://wisportsheroics.com/green-bay-packers-irate-jordan-love-report/
SOB, my bad…this is the article with the video of…The Miracle Pass, that’s going viral…..i guess
https://wisportsheroics.com/jordan-love-bomb-to-christian-watson-green-bay-packers/?expand_article=1
First you bitch because there’s no content. Now you bitch at the content. There are no pleasing some people. It’s June, of course there’s going to be fluff. And lots of it. Hope springs eternal. For me, the biggest takeaway from OTA’s is the Romeo Doubs/Jordan Love connection. Doubs is quickly developing into Jordan Love’s go to guy. And is poised for a second year jump. If he stays healthy, I see him doubling his numbers. Say 85 catches, around 850 yards, maybe 6 TD’s. And he’s not even the best WR on the roster. Without the buddy ball Rodgers constantly played, look for Christian Watson to continue to be a matchup nightmare likewise getting more opportunities. What I want to see is how long Garrett Wilson stays quiet when Rodgers plays buddy ball with Lazard and Cobb in New York. I say Watson and Doubs outperforms Lazard and Cobb which means it was time to move on from both.
In fact, I’ll say Jayden Reed outperforms Randall Cobb in the slot for a fraction of the cost. And second round pick Christian Watson numbers are as good or better than top ten pick Garrett Wilson. Confirming what I’ve said all along. You don’t need to draft a WR in the first round. You want in on any of this Kevin? Or are you just gonna bitch and complain?
“I say Watson and Doubs outperforms Lazard and Cobb which means it was time to move on from both” – Princess
WOW…You say a slow older Cobb, and a never featured receiver in Lazard, get out performed by the two receivers who will get the majority of targets from Love?
I’m impressed!…So smart you are!! 😉
“I’ll say Jayden Reed outperforms Randall Cobb in the slot for a fraction of the cost.” – Princess
You go son!!! Educate us.
Cobb got 3 million for 1 year.
Reed is averaging 1.75 million.
Huge difference!!
A fraction?
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You’ve ‘said’ a lot of things, like Royce Newman is a 10 year starter, and Kevin King is sooo good.
Keep educating us Sparky, put that psychic to good use.
Thanks Paul, you’re keeping things going here.
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I check other forums and read comments and I see the same rationalizations going on with Bahk that I’ve read before with others. People are trying to find reasons to hate on Dave B because he spoke pretty honestly on what he sees from his perspective. Yes, a rebuild. So now we are treated to the – fuck him, that ungrateful prick, “we” paid him millions, “we” carried him through his injuries, let him go play with his buddies, trade him to the worst team in league, yada yada, puhleeez. Hey Dave, you’re supposed to chug Kool Aid like you chug beers, and take a damn pay cut you sumbitch.
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He’s one of the best left tackles in the league. He’ll be fine. But like all players in the league on every team, at some point those players become surplus to the team’s needs. Nobody needs to find reasons to hate on a guy in that reality, it’s a business. I would like to see him play, stay healthy, and play well because – Jordan Love will damn sure need him to stay upright in the pocket. But if this means that GB gets only one more season because of the financials, so be it. He is, and always will be, a great Packer. If this year’s team does well and better than expected, fine. If they don’t, it won’t be because of Bahk being frank and honest with his opinions.
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Common sense tells us what the fans will probably see. A lot more running the ball, some flashes, some mistakes, probably more interceptions than before. Favre threw a lot of picks, Rodgers threw very few, Love will probably be in between just because of the level of inexperience in the passing game as a whole. Early on expect to see other teams test the OL and the QB with a bunch of blitzes and attacks to see how well the young QB can adjust. Who stays healthy and who gets injured because injuries will happen. All that plus a new kicker and then some.
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Temper the expectations for a rebuild team people.
The NFL is a cold, hard business Mitch. You’re rewarded handsomely when you can perform and released unceremoniously when you can’t. Aaron Rodgers saw all his friends come and go and he didn’t like it. He used his power and influence to keep his guys on the team and even bring back Randall Cobb. Gutekunst reluctantly agreed with the caveat that Rodgers could deliver a championship. Rodgers and his buddies couldn’t live up to their part of the bargain so Gutekunst clean house from a bunch of overpriced veterans. David Bakhtiari remains only because he’s deemed useful. He sees the writing on the wall knowing full well his days are numbered. If I’m David Bakhtiari, or any other veteran, I’m grateful for my NFL career and the generational wealth it’s provided for me and my family. Realizing there’s absolutely nothing else I could have done with my life to provide such fame and fortune. Even knowing at the end of it all it might be painful and my ego might get bruised. That makes me more a company man Mitch. Bakhtiari can say whatever he likes as long as he’s not a distraction. As long as he doesn’t have an agenda. And for the record I don’t think he does. I think the media is way overplaying his comments.
Look, there was a power struggle in the organization between Aaron Rodgers and Brian Gutekunst. Gutekunst won. David Bakhtiari was clearly in the Aaron Rodgers camp. Bakhtiari has a decision to make. Get behind the direction the team is headed or get out of town. Sentimental and nostalgic fans probably can’t or don’t want to see this.
“Gutekunst won”
Look for possible Executive of the Year award for 2023
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“Get behind the direction the team is headed or get out of town”
Where is the team headed?
The team….has 8 1st round picks on defense and they are middle of the road. Not top 5 Elite that’s been advertised ad nauseum.
Nobody is sure about Joe Barry.
We have no proven talent in wr and tight ends, we have rookie flashes, drops, and injuries, and that’s your most experienced.
We have a newly starting QB with very few proven tools sans rb..
Yes, we have a young team, we have a young team because it’s being rebuilt on the fly.
The rebuild actually started in 2020. But it obviously wasn’t run smooth.
So where is this team ‘headed’?
The fuck if i know.
TVOR
Nice to see you back once again Kato, i missed your bitching and whining.
Keep, keepin on.
The reason some are hating on Bahk is because, he isn’t ‘carrying the G’.
Here is one reason why Bahk is absolutely correct.
In past years, the goal has always been the Super Bowl.
Or at least getting to the NFCCG.
Yes, we heard Gute say the goal here hasn’t changed recently…I call Bullshit.
Right now, there is no realistic goal of a Super Bowl, or even an NFCCG. If it is, those people are living in fantasyland.
The goal here…….is .500, maybe slipping in as a wildcard.
I’m not (or ever was) an unrealistic dreamer, that’s a naive losers game.
What’s next?…Royce Newman is a 10 year starter?
At the end of the day, it is, what it is, as Bahk stated.
The goal of this season Kevin is to find out if Jordan Love is an NFL QB. No longer are we bound by the false promises of Aaron Rodgers and a SB. Let the New York Jets live that fantasy. The time has come to move on from Aaron Rodgers. David Bakhtiari and all you Aaron Rodgers fanboys can get on board or get out of town. It’s that simple.
Why are we ‘bound’ by your unhealthy obsession of bringing up Rodgers in every comment you make?
Isn’t it enough you destroyed this website?
We can get on board or get out of town? lol
Yea 🙄 whatever you say Barney.
SKOL!!
Honestly man, there are several reasons I don’t post or visit much on this site anymore when I used to be on nearly every day for several years. Tommy is a little part of it, but honestly the content and articles just haven’t been great, or consistent. And mainly, you just being a pompous know it all asshole a lot of the time. To basically everyone. I got tired of the interactions, I have better ways to spend consuming Packers content and enjoy myself without seeing some bully putting down most people unless they agreed with you on everything. You would mock Rob after quite a few of his articles and he was a great content provider and wrote solid pieces for this site. The website has kind of run its course I guess. Kind of like MySpace.
Look Kato, Aaron Rodgers was given money, power, players and a new HC to win a championship. HE failed. And he’ll fail in New York. If you’re firmly in the “Kevin camp” that Rodgers was somehow not responsible for his playoff failures and it’s all somehow Brian Gutekunst’s fault. Have at it buddy, live the fantasy. Everyone else around here does. If you’ve got a compelling argument why Rodgers chokes in the playoffs while Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes play their best ball, I’m listening. As a Packer fan, i went into every season hoping Rodgers would prove me wrong. Every year the “delicate genius” disappointed. If David Bakhtiari, or any other veteran, has a problem with management and wants to be vocal about it, thanks for the memories and enjoy your final season in Cleveland. Ask Davante Adams if the grass is greener in Las Vegas. A young, impressionable team doesn’t need the distraction.
And for the record, I hold Jordan Love to the same high standard. He’s been given everything he needs to succeed. The best running back tandem in the NFL, a top 10 OL, two of the best young WR’s in the game, a QB friendly HC, and three years to learn the offense and the NFL game. It’s now or never. I don’t expect perfection but I do expect to see the game is not too big for him. For his part, Love shows signs of putting it all together. I like the way he handles himself with the media, I like the way his guys are rallying around him. He’s showing leadership and that’s about all you can really glean out of these first two weeks of OTA’s. So far, so good….
“The goal of this season Kevin is to find out if Jordan Love is an NFL QB.
When we find it, do we get a trophy for that?
How about a Banner, like your team has at the Chili Dome.?
Tom, why do we need to find out if Love can play QB in the NFL, after your endless ramblings of him being the Packers next franchise QB?
What does your psychic say about that Barney?
I guess when a team gets into the “run it back” mode for a few years you are going to get yourself in a salary cap situation. Two other NFC teams played the “run it back”, “all in” game the last few years. If you think the Packers having 50 million plus in dead cap is bad, you should see the 70 million plus dead cap hits by the Rams and Tampa Bay. The big difference both won Lombardi’s.
I really believe the Bakhtiari injury late in the 2020 season severely impacted the Packer’s chance for a Super bowl appearance. Sure other players had some bad moments at key times in the final playoff games in 2020 and 2021, but not having Bakhtiari and a healthy offensive line had a big impact in those final playoff games.
Bakhtiari can say what he wants about rebuild. He has a point. GMs and Head coaches hate the rebuild word because it could mean their jobs, unless it is their first year. Fans should care less if a player says rebuild, retool, reload, run it back, or Champion. because the next seasons record will end up telling you what category of team you have. I bet the Rams didn’t believe they were in rebuild mode after their 2021 super bowl win, but they were and still are. So is Tampa Bay. I think Green Bay is in the same mode, but the record this year will tell the true story. I’m interested.
I have always felt a football teams most important position groups are offensive and defensive line. There is really not a lot of change on the offensive line. I believe losing Lowery on the defensive line is a plus, but the defensive line, and for that matter the defense as a unit has underperformed.
The most important position is QB. The QB has to be able to deliver the ball on time and across the entire field. In addition it is critical for the QB to understand the game flow, what the defense is showing, and then get the offense in the correct play or out of a bad play. In this case the Packers are rebuilding until proven otherwise. Just ask the Rams without a healthy Stafford, and let us see how Tampa performs without Brady. Without a top QB both the Rams and Tampa are in rebuild until a new QB shows they can perform. The Packers are in the same position.
I couldn’t agree more, and if i were to get into a dialogue about all that, i’d be writing a long, long novel.
Very well written synopsis Howard.
Since it was on the tail end, i’ll chime in a bit.
Regarding Love, and as Howard describes, understanding the flow of the game, reading the defense, etc.
This is where veteran receivers might come into play, helping Love out on the field.
Training camp, film rooms, 7 on 7’s, 11’s on 11’s may help, but it does not duplicate situations in real game time against other teams.
I don’t know what 2nd year receivers have to offer Love in terms of help. In this case it might be anyone on the offensive line helping him with calls, or reading the defense.
Bottom line, i don’t care if he’s been there for 3 years or he had a bit of success for 3 minutes of a 4th quarter game. That means little this season.
I don’t think Gute did the Packer team any favors in letting the receiver group dwindle to nothing last season, and i don’t think this season is much different regarding the team and particularly Love in regards to the passing game, in his 1st season starting.
I see this offense relying on the run, outlet passes to Jones and Dillon.
Also short high percentage passes not unlike Hundley got.
Even Rodgers played that short quick passing game, partially because it took some pressure off the O line when they weren’t at full strength.
Two other things i see with Love…..
I do see MLF giving Love ‘some’ opportunities downfield, especially with Watson,and some intermediate’s to Doubs.
I also see Love scrambling for 1st downs, ala Justin Fields, but without the huge yards that Fields gets.
I feel a bit bad for Love. Who wants to debut their starting season, with so much inexperience at receiver and tight end.
Don’t get me wrong, he’ll have some plays, he’ll have his moments, but….this isn’t an ideal situation for him, or the team.
I found this nugget down the hall….
The article name is “Which Packer rookies will have the biggest impact this season?”
To which my favorite commenter over there wrote 😉
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“Which Packer rookies will have the biggest impact this season?”
I guess the Title of the article could have been “Which veteran receivers or tight end will be the most help to Love?”
But we don’t have any veteran wr’s or tight ends to help him.
Even if you weren’t thrilled with the trading up for Love back in 2020, you can’t help but feel for the kid starting his 1st season having to help rookies find there way, when he’s still trying to find his own way..
At least when Rodgers started in 2008, he had some proven talent to work with.
Therein lies the problem.
The same problem as last season.
Relying on rookie draft picks to catch passes.
That is not a recipe for a winning team offensively, not for a HOF QB, or a 1st year starter.
This is what happens when you let the receiving talent run down to ground zero.
That has happened to both groups, wr and tight ends.
Hence the plethora of drafting pass catchers last season and this season.
But God forbid we say anything about Gute(y).
Because then….we aren’t ‘Carrying The G’.
So here we are again, so much so that is is in article form.
Championship teams don’t rely on rookie draft picks.
Gute was just asked about team goals by a reporter.
He answered it by saying the goal is the same every year.
So is he implying the goal this season is the Super Bowl?
Isn’t that what it’s been the last 30 years?
I don’t hate on Bahk for his comments. He is probably right, this is a team at very least in a period of transition. As was eluded to in another comment, I don’t think the Packers have done well as far as putting Love in a great spot to succeed. There is going to be growing pains, he is going to turn the ball over, and there might be times the passing game completely stalls and looks downright bad. This is what happens when you have a QB that has thrown 82 passes in the last three years and have a group of WRs and TEs that have a combined 6 years of experience. I think Gute has mostly done a good job, but there are fair criticisms out there. Namely the lack of skill position players drafted. I don’t care about the buzzword “1st round WR.” He didn’t necessarily have to use a 1st. But you can’t spend a 2nd on a guy in 2014 and then not bother using anything higher than a 4th until 2022 (7 drafts!!!) without using a fairly premium pick on the position. Because not only did you have a declining Aaron Rodgers, you were planning on moving to his successor, probably started thinking about it in the 2018, 2019 years. Not only did they not give an aging Rodgers enough help, they also haven’t really set up Love for success.
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All of this, sacrificing offense for trying to build a top 5 defense that has never materialized. It hasn’t been bad necessarily, but just hasn’t been as good as it should be given the resources (FA money and draft picks) that have been poured into it. It’s either your picks or your coaching. If it isn’t you or the talent you acquired, why hasn’t there been moves made with the coaching staff? Kevin Barry? The guy that coached bad defenses? Maybe the only reason why the defense hasn’t been bottom is the level of talent on the defense is making up for how shit the coordinator is? In which case, why does he have a job there?
The Dallas Cowboys won multiple championships with Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin. Tell me why the Packers couldn’t win multiple championships with Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams, and Aaron Jones? And before the injury they had perhaps the best LT in the game in David Bakhtiari. Aaron Rodgers had more than enough to win a championship. Let me ask you, if Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady had Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, and a healthy David Bakhtiari would they win a championship? Of course they would. The only question is how many. And to take the analogy further, back in the day, Dallas went and bought in free agency Deion Sanders and Charles Hailey. Not unlike what Gutekunst did with the Smith’s and Adrian Amos. To his credit, Gutekunst did what Ted never would have done. He spent money to give his hall of fame QB a chance. It didn’t work out but not for lack of trying.
As far as Jordan Love, he’s got young talent around him everywhere. All ready to grow with him. Contrast that with what Justin Fields had to endure last season and it isn’t even close. Jordan Love is by far in a better position to succeed than most first round QB’s who are thrown into the fire.
Defense, Special Teams and coaching matter when you get into the playoffs. Something the Packers can’t seem to figure out.
The Cowboys had a ton of extra draft picks because of the Herschel Walker and Steve Walsh trades.
I believe the NFL needed Dallas to be successful at a time when TV viewership was in decline, and the league responded by providing them with greatly lopsided trades. Dallas got 3 extra first round picks and 3 extra second round picks in the Hershel Walker trade, plus other picks. Another little-known trade deal, the Cowboys also got an extra first, second, and third round pick for QB Steve Walsh, who they got in the supplemental draft. With one of these additional first round draft picks, the Cowboys would pick Emmit Smith, someone who the Packers were targeting. The Packers, 2 picks later, would take bust Darrell Thompson in the first round.
On another note, good for Jace Sternberger and his play in the USFL. 7th in receiving yards and leads the league in TDs, and seems to be the best TE in that league. Seems like he should probably be on an NFL roster. I know the guy had some issues early on in his career with mental health and that caused him to make some bad decisions that led to the suspension. He doesn’t seem like he was in a good head space to be able to compete in the NFL at the time, but I know he mentioned he had been in therapy for several months. Hopefully his life is going in a good direction now, I wouldn’t mind the Packers giving him a second look. Maybe he will thrive under Jordan as opposed to Aaron.
Sternberger couldn’t thrive under Rodgers?
Was it Rodgers fault?
Did Rodgers cause his mental health issues?
What went wrong?…did Rodgers call him names?
Bully him?
Tell jokes about his Mama?
Did Rodgers spit on him?
Would he trip him as he walked down the hall?
Did he hate him like McCarthy and Rodgers ‘hated Jeff Janis?
Did Rodgers refuse to throw to him?
Tell me, what do you know, just curious why couldn’t he flourish with Rodgers, but he might with Love?
Of course it wasn’t Rodgers fault that Jace Sternberger couldn’t play. But you know what was Rodgers fault? Keeping Marcedes Lewis and Jake Kumerow on the roster when neither could play but were Rodgers personal buddies. Or how about trading a 6th round pick and paying Randall Cobb 5 million per season when Juwan Winfree could have done the same for a fraction of the cost. Most receiver groups in the NFL are won based on talent. Not the Packers, it’s all based on how tight you are with Aaron Rodgers. And when this disastrous approach doesn’t work, we’ll blame Brian Gutekunst because he drafted a potential franchise QB instead of a second WR that Rodgers couldn’t be bothered to show up to OTA’s and work with anyway. I mean, you’re Aaron Fucking Rodgers! You haven’t got time for that shit! You’ve got Taylor Swift concerts to go to. And shopping in posh New York boutiques with your gay male buddies! Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Rodgers is gay. I’m sure he likes pussy just fine. He just doesn’t love it…
7 Rodgers mentions…and the beat goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on and……….
Holy shit, are you ok there Princess?
Now get back on your meds and try to get a grip.
Rodgers is……gone.
Just like you wanted…..i think.
Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers….
Rabble rabble rabble!!!
Wah… wah.. wah…
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/05/keisean-nixon-rasul-douglas-want-packers-to-bring-back-marcedes-lewis/
Yea, and here i thought Murphy/Gute made personnel decisions on what players to sign.
All along, it was Rodgers making the personnel decisions (according to our resident Barney).
Now, with more responsibility, did Rodgers get extra pay?
Did Gute and Murphy forward some of their pay to Rodgers for doing their job for them?
Luckily….Rodgers only gave up a 6th round pick for Cobb.
It’s a damn good thing Rodgers didn’t trade one of Gute’s highly valuable 3rd round picks for Cobb.
Barney, as always…thanks for trying.
SKOL!!
Now with Rodgers gone, who makes the personnel decisions?
Is it Bahktiari, Alexander?
Or did Murphy and Gute finally grow a backbone and decide they should do their jobs, and make their own decisions?
As long as you two ladies promote the second WR conspiracy, as long as you tell each other Aaron Rodgers is the best QB ever when Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes are clearly superior, as long as you tell yourself Aaron Rodgers isn’t responsible for the turd that was last season, I’ll be here to bring you back to reality. It’s my humble way to give back to the community at large. Now let’s all get behind Jordan Love. I’m beginning to think we could win some games with this kid. And that’s exciting!
No one said anything about the nonsense you listed off.
Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers…
Rabble, rabble, rabble!!!
Wah… wahh… wahhh…
My dad is tougher than your dad.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/09/22/tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-has-been-an-amazing-player-for-a-long-time/amp/
“They cast off every receiver that may have doubted Jordan Loves’ ability to succeed, The Rodgers bandwagon crew that produced nothing in 2022.”
I’m not sure that’s the reason they were cast off.
But maybe that’s based on some ‘inside information’.
The Rodgers bandwagon crew produced nothing. Maybe….. after the Packers depleted and couldn’t replenish the pass catching talent.
Is it then shocking to anyone that the offensive numbers were down?
That doesn’t make sense….does it?
Alan Lazard was your most experienced and targeted receiver in 2022.
Mr. Edwards….Lazard on his best day, is a #3 receiver.
This post was inspired by the Title of this article……
“Let’s Speak Some Packer Truth”
You’re welcome
I see. You mean the “depleted pass catching talent” Rodgers took with him to New York? Good riddance. If they all couldn’t get it done in Green Bay, they sure as shit won’t get it done in New York. Because only you Kevin would want to keep Rodgers old buddies instead of Romeo Doubs and Christian Watson. I know, you haven’t seen enough from them yet. And because they were young and inexperienced, you needed your hall of fame, 150 million QB at camp, at OTA’s working with these guys. It’s called leadership. The great ones do it. The stat whores don’t.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBd2DyfpvGI
The Packers are in rebuild mode for sure and this will be not an average year, but an awful year. I’m hoping either the Packers really, really suck, or even better Love is a good QB, but I haven’t seen anything from him to say he is. I fear the Packers will be just good enough this season to sign Love to a long term contract, which will mean at least 5 years of mediocrity at best.
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I believe Rodgers could take the Jets could go to the Super Bowl. He still has a lot of talent left and he has the greatest motivation in all of sports … REVENGE. This is playing out just like with Favre, a great QB who in his waning years didn’t seem to have the drive to take the Packers to the Super Bowl. Once in revenge mode, Favre’s QB rating jumped by 10 points. I expect the same thing from Rodgers.
Yea Deep, you make some good points.
But idk, this is the Jets we’re talking about. You’ve probably heard me say, Championships are won from the top down.
Did i say this was the Jets we’re talking about?
They’ve had 9 winning seasons since 1989, if that means anything to anybody.
the defense was top 5 last season, but was ranked last, the season before (i read).
They lost 2 DL, not that they were blue chippers, but continuity is usually a good thing.
Of course i’d like to see Rodgers do well, but like Watson and Doubs, Breece Hall needs to stay healthy and show consistency and production, so he is a question mark.
Their O line apparently is suspect, so we’ll see what happens there.
The revenge factor is real as far as Rodgers goes, Favre had that also but in a different worse way.
I would think, that if the Jets made the Super Bowl after winning the AFCCG, Gute would have horrific nightmares for the next two weeks prior to the SuperBowl.
But even i don’t see that happening.
Maybe, IF the defense stays near the top 5 i guess they have a shot. But i just think weaker O lines get trucked over in the playoffs.
Either way, one thing is a given in my book, watching the Packers, and keeping tabs on the Jets this season, will be entertaining for certain.
So, this is just off the cuff thoughts as i don’t follow the Jets and frankly, why should anyone.
After watching bad QB play in Green Bay for about 20 years (although Dickey and Majkowski each led the league in passing yards), I think the most important things a QB can have are accuracy, escapability, and play making when the defensive coordinator has figured out the offensive scheme and called the right defensive play. Unfortunately, I’ve not seen much of any of these from Love. He is not very accurate. He’s going to throw 10 more interceptions than Rodgers, which means more pressure will be on the defense. I’ve seen him escape the pass rush a few times, but I can’t remember him making plays, and by now every defensive coordinator knows what LaFluer is going to call (not just 49ers who owned him). NFL defenses will understand the offense better than Love himself. I think the Packers will be lucky if they get 7 wins.
Tom M 2 days ago
The Dallas Cowboys won multiple championships with Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin. Tell me why the Packers couldn’t win multiple championships with Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams, and Aaron Jones?
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This is why Tommi is so valuable to us.
Before i read this, i never knew just 3 players decide whether your team wins Super Bowls.
Now i know that of all the Cowboy teams Pro Bowlers and All Pro’s, they had nothing to do with winning those Super Bowls, plus they had that shitty coach….what’s his face, and still won, because of the big 3..
Thank you for educating me Tommi, SO SMART 🙄
Now with Love, Doubs, and Jones (The big 3)….this Packer team is sure to win the Super Bowl this season.
This is not a rebuild!!
“The goal is the same every year here” – Gute(y)
Gee Gute…while your at it, why not tell us how good your 3rd round picks have been.
Or maybe….some expert talent evaluator can tell me that Royce Newman is a 10 year starter
As always, thanks for trying, never give up…I LOVE YOU MAN!! 😉
SKOL!!
God, I hate it when I’m constantly right. Ok, maybe I don’t. Craig Carton from Fox FS1 is now reporting the New England Patriots made a trade offer for Aaron Rodgers. But little Erin said no! He just wouldn’t have as much fun playing for Bill Belichick! And it’s all about fun for Rodgers. It certainly isn’t about championships. What did I tell you ladies? If Joe Douglas doesn’t want to pay Brian Gutekunst price, ship him off to a bitter division rival. Oh, but Aaron Rodgers had all the power! No he didn’t. Not if he wanted to play this year and collect a check. That’s what happens when you sign a contract. It’s a legal binding document and there’s no way he walks away from the remaining 100 million.
So you’re telling me Troy Aikman is a better QB than Aaron Rodgers? You’re telling Micheal Irving is a better WR than Davante Adams? And that Aaron Jones isn’t as good as Emmitt Smith? Brett Favre won a SB with Robert Brooks and Andre Risen who was released mid season by the Falcons. He didn’t have anything resembling Davante Adams or Aaron Jones. The “Aaron Rodgers never had enough help” is a myth perpetuated by clueless Aaron Rodgers fans. There is no such thing as a perfect roster. There is no such thing as Aaron Rodgers winning another championship. He backed into his one and only championship. Just like Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco. When things get tough he shuts it down. Afraid to take chances and protects his brand. I’ll let my fans defend me. It wasn’t my fault, my stats were pretty. I’m afraid that’s not going to fly in New York. I say the honeymoon is over by Thanksgiving.
Brett Favre had two tight ends sets with Keith Jackson/Mark Chmura. Packers haven’t had anything close to that in decades at that position. Favre also had William Henderson for check downs and pass protection. Dorsey Levens/Edgar Bennet were also solid in those categories.
Robert Brooks didn’t make it past week 7 but you only needed 2 WRs in that era anyways. Freeman, Beebe, Rison adequately fit the bill there. Not to mention Bill Schroeder/Derrick Mayes doing spot duty.
Also, Favre had a No. 1 defense and Superbowl MVP Desmond Howard.
Derrick Mayes was a second round bust. Billy Schroeder was a glorified Jake Kumerow. Robert Brooks blew out his knee and was never the same. Desmond Howard was a career ST player. He never made it as an NFL WR and never achieved his SB success with the Raiders. Andre Risen never did much after his mid season pick up with whoever signed him. Don Beebe, could run fast, and was good for a go route and that’s about it. He bounced around the league. Think MVS. Mike Holmgren never wanted Ron Wolf to waste a second round pick on Keith Jackson and he was right. He was old, slow, and didn’t want to be there. Think Jimmy Graham. Mark Chmura was a nice TE when he stayed out of hot tubs with underage girls. But even then, he was more of a healthy Robert Tonyan. Certainly nothing elite. The best of the lot was Antonio Freeman who had a great start to his career then flamed out and never came close to earning his second contract he held out for. William Henderson was a very good player but do you really believe Aaron Rodgers would ever throw the ball to a FB? Good luck with that. Levens and Bennett were a nice combo to be sure but they didn’t come close to being Favre’s best RB. That would come a decade later with Ahman Green.
On that ‘96 SB team I see nothing close to Davante Adams or Aaron Jones. I see a bunch of guys no better than Allen Lazard at WR. With capable RB’s but hardly dynamic. Even with a top rated defense it was still anyone’s game until Desmond Howard took the second half kickoff to the house. The point being, that 96 team wasn’t the perfect roster. No SB roster is. Rodgers has had teams talented enough to win 13 regular season games three years in a row. But somehow wasn’t good enough to win at least one SB? I’m not buying it. Rodgers had enough to get it done. He just choked.
Why don’t you switch to a Jets site (TotalJets or something) ?
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You’ve completed your mission here.
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Thanks for all “info” you’ve imparted here. See ya.
Look Ed, if I said something factually incorrect, I’ll wait for response. Otherwise live the fantasy that it was Brian Gutekunst’s fault the roster wasn’t perfect and he’s responsible for Aaron Rodgers not winning multiple championships. Join the circle jerk and tell each other Aaron Rodgers is the best QB ever! For my money, we didn’t win multiple championships because of a QB issue not some bogus second WR conspiracy. But I’m not into hero worship either.
Where to begin with all this negative drivel, spewing out of the mind of Princess Barney as she tries to get through another day of her miserable life.
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“Robert Brooks blew out his knee and was never the same.” – Princess
A NFL wr blew out his knee and was never the same.
Wow….Has a NFL player had an injury before, and didn’t come back to 100%.
Man….the things i learn in here!!
Thank you sweetcakes!!
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” Billy Schroeder was a glorified Jake Kumerow.” – Princess
By glorified, do you mean Schroeders 28 TD’s compared to Kumerows career 3 TD’s or Schroeders 4.583 yards to Kumerows 436 career yards?
Keeping in mind, Bill Schroeder found more success than Gutes hand picked acquisitions of J’Mon Moore, ESB, MVS, Devin Funchess, Jimmy Graham, Amari Rodgers, Jace Sternberger, Josiah Deguara, and Sammy ‘i don’t give a shit’ Watkins.
Watson and Doubs….TBD
Maybe Gute can hit on a pass catcher with one of those two, after 5 seasons of failure.
We’ll see.
Talk about whiffing….holy shit Gute!!
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” Andre Risen never did much……….” – Tommi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAJxSmzGz4k
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“On that ‘96 SB team I see nothing close to Davante Adams or Aaron Jones. I see a bunch of guys no better than Allen Lazard at WR” – Tommi
Hmmm…WR Antonio Freeman was no better than Allen Lazard?
Gee Barney….the things you teach us!!
I better grab a pen and take notes, it’s lurnin time and Tommi’s teaching!! 😉
What the #1 defense didn’t have in 1996 Nancy, was 8 first round draft picks.
What they did have was a defense who only gave up 15 PPG. An excellent GM, an excellent coach and defensive coordinator.
And last but not least, i’m assuming good team communication, and a GM capable of putting the right pieces of the puzzle together to build a Championship team.
Teams win Championships.
What say you Barney?
SKOL!!
Not much, right?
Understood.
Tom M 2 hours ago
Look Ed, if I said something factually incorrect, I’ll wait for response.
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That’s pretty funny Princess, citing the fact you constantly state false facts.
Here’s the rub, when people respond to your false facts, you completely ignore it 100% of the time.
So don’t sit here and tell someone to call you out if they think your wrong.
That’s an assface move. But we’ve grown….accustomed.
You and your girlfriends Kevin cry like little girls because Aaron Rodgers didn’t get a second WR and therefore Brian Gutekunst single handedly derailed Rodgers career thereby costing the Packers multiple championships. Even though Rodgers had WR’s Davante Adams, Allen Lazard, Randall Cobb and MVS. It’s total Bull Shit!
Brett Favre took Antonio Freeman, Billy Schroeder, Don Beebe, and an 8 game rental Andre Rison and won a fucking SB. You didn’t hear anybody crying like a little bitch about a second WR for Favre. But it gets better. Brett Favre followed up his SB win with another SB appearance the following year. This time without Robert Brooks, without Andre Rison, without Keith Jackson and without ST ace Desmond Howard. Replaced by Derrick Mayes and Cory Bradford. Hardly elite. We lost the SB because we couldn’t stop the run. Not because of an average receiving group. The myth that Aaron Rodgers just needed one more WR is just that a myth. He had everything he needed. He just couldn’t get it done and that’s on him and no one else.
I think your whole life is an assface move.
The Super Bowl against the Patriots wasn’t won by Favre at all. In fact, in the second half Favre was terrible. The Patriots didn’t even have a good defense that year, still Favre didn’t do much in the second half. It was defense and special teams which won that Super Bowl. And also don’t forget, Mark Brunell knocked the Denver Broncos out in a huge upset in the playoffs, otherwise the Packers may have lost two in a row to the Broncos.
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Both Favre and Rodgers had a history of poor playoff games.
Matter of fact…Favre’s playoff record after 1997 was atrocious.
I think Rodgers playoff record is 11-10, but i didn’t confirm that.
But here’s the thing, i’m done thinking what might have been.
Should the Packers have won more Super Bowls in a 30 year reign of HOF QB’s?
Absofuckinglutley.
But that serves no purpose, what’s done is done.
So i choose to enjoy the moments that were entertaining/great.
All Favre’s unbelievable throws with that shotgun of an arm.
Hell, looking back, even all the edge of your seat moments wondering what would happen when Favre had the ball at the end of a game…would he throw a game winning TD, or a game ending interception?
I remember them well.
Entertainment at it’s best.
Whether i liked it or not, at the time.
Then Rodgers, the perfectionist with a game of total skill, from A-Z.
The man did not have a flaw in his game, not a weak area that teams could take advantage of, he was the ultimate technician. He would make teams look foolish at his best.
He was also capable of making the most unfucking believable throws where we all jumped up and said…”are you fucking kidding me, how did that happen” and there were a lot of them.
Assisted of course by some great pass catchers.
So now, the reign is over, we will see what tomorrow holds.
So keep in mind Packer fans, the past 30 years of entertainment.
The 30 year run of some of the highest quality QB’ing the NFL has ever seen from 1 team, consecutively.
The Super Bowl wins.
The respect around the NFL and the younger generation of fans it brought the team.
There are a great many new Packer fans and whether anyone likes it or not, Favre and Rodgers had a lot to do with it.
I’ll go one further, it could be argued, that without a Favre, without a Rodgers, that Title Town looks nothing like it does at the moment.
Appreciate what you’ve had, and what you have as you visit Lambeau Field.
Also appreciate the men who stood on that field decades before Favre and Rodgers.
Visiting the Packer Hall of Fame should be on every Packer fans bucket list.
This is why i have always preached…..
Be thankful for what you had and what you witnessed, that HOF QB reign will probably never be duplicated…ever again.
Be thankful it happened in the great city of Green Bay, and the great State of Wisconsin.
But mostly….be proud to be a Packer fan.
Be proud that the Packers are the most storied franchise in the NFL, not to mention the most successful.
Be proud of the fact, all that history and success, came out of a little City on the banks of Lake Michigan.
Hate has no part of being a Packer fan. Standing tall and being proud does.
Have the wisdom to know the difference.
Brett Favre threw two TD’s in the first half. One to Freeman, one to Risen, and ran for another. That put up 21 points. We don’t win the game without Favre. Desmond Howard scored his second half TD and we got one more but I don’t recall how without looking. May have been Levens or Bennett. I can tell you Derrick Mays, Don Beebe, Mark Chumra, Billy Schroeder, Keith Jackson were all a non factor. In fact, I remember Mark Chumra dropping a third down pass that would have been a first down in a critical 4th quarter drive forcing a punt.
More importantly than New England beating Denver was Carolina beating Dallas. Since we could never beat the Cowboys. In the NFC championship game against the Panthers, I recall Dorsey Levens having a big game with a lot of receiving yards…
Tom M 2 hours ago
Brett Favre threw two TD’s in the first half. One to Freeman, one to Risen, and ran for another. That put up 21 points. We don’t win the game without Favre.
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Much like when Kevin King gave up 2 gimme TD’s and Amos gave up another in the NFCCG against the Bucs.
That gave up 21 points. So did that have any bearing on that game’s outcome Princess?
No, according to you, it was Rodgers fault.
But when Farve scored 21 points, he’s the reason they won the game?
Barney, stop pretending you’re a Packer fan and put your Fran Tarkington jersey back on.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Was it Patrick Mahomes fault he was down in the fourth quarter with 5 minutes remaining in two SB’s and came back and won both? No, he just figured out a way to get it done. It’s why he’ll go down as one of the all time greats like Brady and Montana. While Rodgers you’ll always have to make excuses for. It’s your calling in life Kevin…..
Princess….
What’s your calling in life?
Being the biggest jag off on the internet?
Trolling other teams websites pretending your a fan?
While doing so, obsessing over a QB with viral hatred in every post you write.
This begs the question, besides us wondering why you don’t find a life. Do you enjoy any pleasure in your life, ever?
Holy shit, you are one miserable bastard!
The only second half Packer score in the Super Bowl against the Patriots was Howard’s TD. Favre threw for a total 33 yards in the second half and took two sacks, completing only 50 percent of his passes. The only good thing from him was that he didn’t throw a pick.
I can’t help it, i ran across this nugget and sometimes, great comedy should be recognized, especially this….
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Tom M 1 day ago
God, I hate it when I’m constantly right.
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Keep on keepin on Princess, don’t let reality get in the way of your own perceived distorted reality.
Always keep em laughing Princess!
SKOL!!
I’ve seen more than a few claims about the 90s SB teams that need correction. Saying that Favre had were fewer offensive weapons in 1997 than 1996 seems a bit disingenuous to me. In fact, that 1997-98 team had:
– Robert Brooks, 1000+ yds receiving, AP Comeback player of the year
– Antonio Freeman, also with 1200+ yards receiving
– Dorsey Levens, 1800+ Total Yards
“But it gets better. Brett Favre followed up his SB win with another SB appearance the following year. This time without Robert Brooks, without Andre Rison, without Keith Jackson and without ST ace Desmond Howard.”
Robert Brooks was there and Brett Favre didn’t “lack” weapons like he did in the SB winning season (that’s if you believe that Levens wasn’t dynamic prior to his injury, Andre Rison was pedestrian, and Keith Jackson was “old and slow” because he only put up 10 TDs).
“We lost the SB because we couldn’t stop the run. Not because of an average receiving group.”
I agree! I vividly recall Keith McKenzie taking himself out of the game due to a phantom injury. It’s almost like the Pack would have been able to close the deal that year if they only would have had a top 5 defense like they did in 96′!
So if the ’97 squad’s receiver corps was an “average receiving group” with x2 1,000+ yard receivers, does that then mean the ’96 team had below average receivers?
And does that mean the 2022 receiver group was pure shit with our leading receiver only having 788 yards in 17 games?
And who is in charge of supplying the receiver talent in Green Bay Princess?
Just go way Tommi, don’t you have a Walmart entrance to panhandle at?
I think it was Gabe Wilkins who took himself out of the Super Bowl game. I still remember his teammates pleading with him to go back in. The claim was that he was afraid of the Broncos cut blocks. But Favre cost the Packers the game as he threw a costly interception that turned into the Elway helicopter touchdown and Favre immediately fumbled the next drive to give the Broncos another 3 points. The Packers never overcame those 10 points, allowing Terrell Davis to take over and making Dorsey Levens, who was averaging over 5 yards a carry, a non factor.
Tom M 3 days ago
God, I hate it when I’m constantly right.
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Tom M 19 hours ago
Brett Favre followed up his SB win with another SB appearance the following year. This time without Robert Brooks – Viking fan
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Except Robert Brooks, was in fact, there. Isn’t that right Ragnar?
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Tom M 2 hours ago
Look Ed, if I said something factually incorrect, then i’ll admit i’m an assclown.
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^Total Assclown^
Lol. What a joke, eh. Of course he’s going to disappear now that you pointed out his BS and not own up to it. Then a day later he’ll show up singing the same ol’ broken record as if nothing ever happened.
Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers…
Rabble, rabble, rabble!!!
Wah.. wah.. wah..
Nailed it
Brett Favre never had anything close to Davante Adams. Never. He had a bunch of guys much like Allen Lazard or MVS. Nice players to be sure. Nothing approaching elite WR’s of his day like Michael Irving or Terrell Owens. Favre made it work. Why? Because he was extremely talented and ran Holmgren’s offense. Being a coach’s son himself, Favre was not above doing what he was told. And that means, among other things, not opposed to throwing the ball to his fullback William Henderson. Rodgers, in your wildest wet dreams would never throw to a FB. And he’s going to run HIS offense not what his HC says because no one is smarter than he is. Rodgers became an uncoachable diva. Pure and simple.
Patrick Mahomes won a SB with MVS, the 16th ranked defense, and a high ankle sprain. And he came from behind in the 4th quarter to do it. Then two years before that he came from behind in the 4th quarter and beat the 49ers who had the best defensive in the NFL. You put Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady on any of those Brian Gutekunst built teams that won 13 games a season and you win a SB. Rodgers playoff record speaks for itself. We never needed a second WR. We needed a better QB. One that doesn’t wilt in the playoffs.
Tom M 4 hours ago
Brett Favre never had anything close to Davante Adams. Never. He had a bunch of guys much like Allen Lazard or MVS.
Because Antonio Freeman is just like Lazard and MVS……right Princess?
HahahahahahahaHAhahahaHAhahahahaHAhaHahAhaHahhaHAhhahahaha…
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Thanks for the laugh, Tom. That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen all day!
Tom M 4 hours ago
Favre was not above doing what he was told.
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Yea, because Favre always did what Holmgren told him to do, right Princess!!??…lmao
You really are a viking fan aren’t you, twinky.
I’ll defer to Ron Wolf on Brett Favre’s receivers. In retirement, Ron Wolf, on multiple occasions, has said his biggest regret was he never got Brett Favre a number one WR. Both Robert Brooks and Antonio Freeman were drafted in the third round by Wolf himself. He never considered either elite. In fact, you could make the argument that Favre made them better than they actually were. For a time, Favre made Kitrick Taylor and Sanjay Beech look like NFL WR’s which is saying something. Cory Bradford, drafted in the 6th round got a nice FA contract from Houston. Then never did much without Favre. And he’s hardly the only one.
Favre’s mantra was if you want to be the hero, get open and I’ll get you the ball. And that’s what made his game so difficult to defend. He would throw it to anyone. He never played favorites. Unlike Aaron Rodgers, you had to be part of his click, you had to protect his stats, you had to protect his brand, you had to earn his trust. And if you didn’t kiss his ass, you didn’t get the ball. In the end, he was either too lazy, or too disinterested, or both, to work with young guys. Subsequently defenses alway knew where Rodgers was going with the ball. To one of his buddies. You can get away with that when you play the Bears and Lions, and occasionally the Vikings. When you play elite teams in the playoffs, not so much. For my money that explains his shitty playoff record. Aaron Rodgers became a victim of his own ego and there isn’t a second WR in the world that could’ve saved him from himself……
Tom M 3 days ago
Look Ed, if I said something factually incorrect, I’ll admit i’m an assclown.
So, as proof by my comments that people are laughing at. I am, in fact, a total assclown.
Just when you thought no one could get their head up Aaron Rodgers ass farther than Cheese and Kevin. Along comes Nathaniel Hackett. The New York Jets OC now proclaims “Aaron Rodgers will have the freedom to run the offense as he sees fit!” That’s great Nate, but what’s your job? I guess he’ll be responsible for stroking Rodgers massive ego. While Cheese and Kevin alternate stroking the more unsavory parts.
Let’s review, Rodgers has his hand picked WR’s and will call his own plays. But more importantly, he’s happy! Why, by his own admission, he hasn’t been this happy in years! Without Brian Gutekunst and Mark Murphy holding him back and making him be accountable, the sky’s the limit! Make your SB reservations today! But you girls aren’t talking SB. Why?
Of course, this begs the question. Does Aaron Rodgers still need a second WR? Can Garrett Wilson be as good as Roberts Brooks or Antonio Freeman? With both Brooks and Freeman equal in talent and ability to the great Davante Adams as stated by our resident talent evaluators. Considering Rodgers couldn’t win a SB with Adams, Lazard, and Cobb. It won’t happen with Wilson, Lazard, and Cobb either. Oh, but this where I’m told it takes more to win than just “the best QB ever!” It takes a team! Right ladies? Because our hero can’t be responsible for failure. We’ve been through all this before. We know how it ends. It won’t be pretty….
Stay tuned for the next article titled….
Why Is Princess Such An Angry Obsessive Unhappy Douche Bag
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Was he not loved enough as a child?
Was he spit on and ridiculed when the fireman found him left at the front door of the fire station?
Did his foster father drop him on his head too many times?
Did his sister bully and beat him up too much?
Did some strange man offer him candy instead of friendship?
All this and more will be discussed when the new article comes out in August.
I know Kevin! We’ll stand you on the street corner and have you survey the first 500 people who answer this question. “Name the top three WR’s on the 1990’s.” And when no one names either Robert Brooks or Antonio Freeman, and they won’t, you can dazzle them with their stats! Unimpressed, they’ll still stick to Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Micheal Irvin and Terrell Owens. And while you’re at it, you can throw in Billy Schroeder’s stats. Telling everyone he was the 90’s version of your beloved hero Jordy Nelson. He wasn’t. Not even close. Still a glorified Jake Kumerow….
Only a NFL football retard would relate or name Calvin Johnson to the 90’s. Calvin did not enter the league until the mid 2000’s. I would then add the best 90’s wide receiver Jerry Rice onto the list. Due to having more years (overall production) in the 90’s I would probably replace Chris Carter for Randy Moss. Terrell Owens, NO. Maybe Tim Brown.
A statement from Tommi, not factually correct.
How could this be possible?
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Tom M 3 days ago
God, I hate it when I’m constantly right.
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Get ready for the release Tommi’s new book….
How To Make Friends Online….For Dummies
This!
Oh man!!
You know you’ve reached rock bottom, when Howard feels like he has to come in and be the voice of reason involving a vikings fan..
Go ahead Princess, dazzle Howard with some of your….Tommi logic.
SKOL!!
From down the hall….
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Anonymous
With the QB skipping OTAs and not playing nearly the entire preseason, is it any wonder the offense started slow?
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TVOR
“Everyone cries Rodgers didn’t do this, didn’t do that, last off season.”
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Why the xxxx isn’t anybody wondering how Gute could let the pass catching talent go down to almost zero?
Whose job was it to replace Jordy Nelson, how about Adams?
Whose job was it to draft all our receivers and tight ends, whose job was it to sign those two nobodies Funchess and Watkins and that has been Jimmy Graham?
Whose job was it to draft and whiff on, MVS, J’Mon Moore, ESB, Sternberger and Deguara, or how about the swing and miss on Amari ‘the fumbler’ Rodgers?
You all remember Amari…..you all said he’s going to be our next Randall Cobb in the slot.
Then before the 2022 draft….all of a sudden Gute realized…hey!…there was a talent problem on offense.
Golly Gee Gute….some accountability?
So then in desperation, Gute drafts 6 wide receivers and two tight ends in the last 14 months.
I hope these 6 receivers drafted from each of the last two drafts, have better luck than the 3 receivers Gute took in the 2018 draft.
It shouldn’t be very hard, but i hope our rookie tight ends turn out better than the last two 3rd round bust.
Yea, the problem is Aaron Rodgers.
Everyone cries Rodgers didn’t do this, didn’t do that, last off season.
Why the xxxx isn’t anybody wondering how Gute could let the pass catching talent go down to almost zero?
Whose job was it to replace Jordy Nelson, how about Adams?
Whose job was it to draft all our receivers and tight ends, whose job was it to sign those two nobodies Funchess and Watkins and that has been Jimmy Graham?
Whose job was it to draft and whiff on, MVS, J’Mon Moore, ESB, Sternberger and Deguara, or how about the swing and miss on Amari ‘the fumbler’ Rodgers?
You all remember Amari…..you all said he’s going to be our next Randall Cobb in the slot.
Then before the 2022 draft….all of a sudden Gute realized…hey!…there was a talent problem on offense.
Golly Gee Gute….some accountability?
So then in desperation, Gute drafts 6 wide receivers and two tight ends in the last 14 months.
I hope these 6 receivers drafted from each of the last two drafts, have better luck than the 3 receivers Gute took in the 2018 draft.
It shouldn’t be very hard, but i hope our rookie tight ends turn out better than the last two 3rd round bust.
Yea, the problem is Aaron Rodgers.
Sorry for the double print…my bad, but you get the jist i’m pretty sure.
“Brett Favre never had anything close to Davante Adams. Never. He had a bunch of guys much like Allen Lazard or MVS. Nice players to be sure. Nothing approaching elite WR’s of his day like Michael Irving or Terrell Owens.”
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Never??? Three seasons of Sterling Sharpe must not count. A guy who was on track to be considered arguably the greatest WR in the history of the league must not be elite. He only went All Pro in two of his three seasons with Favre and to the Pro Bowl all three years. Sure sounds like the original Allen Lazard to me.
Clueless.
From down the hall..
“To put Green Bay’s dropping issue into a bit of perspective, consider that, according to Pro Football Reference, Aaron Rodgers had just 13 passes dropped in 2021, compared to 40 last year. No player on the 2021 team had more than three. In 2022 five different players had more than three.
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tHiS iS aLL rOdGeRs’ fAuLt!!
Doubs had 6 drops, 1 short of the most drops in the NFL last season.
You read some fans comments, and they speak as if Doubs and Watson were the leagues next great receivers.
Who knows, they might be, BUT…..right now they were 1st year players who flashed a bit (which is what you want to see) but they also have work to do regarding consistency, learning the playbook, learning the NFL, injuries, drops, etc.
THEY ARE LEARNING, nothing wrong with that. but proven? Not yet, and they still might not be after this coming season…again, normal.
Lets recall, Adams wasn’t fully proven until his 3rd season.
Matter of fact, some writers here and fans wanted Adams benched for Jeff Janis.
I said at the time….” there probably is a reason they keep targeting him and it’s probably because Rodgers and McCarthy have faith and see something in him.”
Well….i guess we know how that turned out.
Jordy didn’t fully come on until his 4th season, but that was more due to ball distribution.
Here’s partly why some fans praise Watson and Doubs….it’s not because they had the (RARE) rookie season like Justin Jefferson.
It’s because they are, our only pass catching talent that has actually played in the NFL.
Fans feel like, they have to have faith in those two, because of where Gute depleted the pass catching room.
Anyone who can’t admit that is a damn fool.
So if anyone wants to clout that Doubs and Watson are the veteran receivers (yes i’ve seen that). Technically because of Gute, they are our veteran receivers.
But if i’m Gute, i’m not bragging about that.
I don’t think anyone who has a working brain, would think having a productive veteran receiver/tight end, would not help Love on and off the field.
Of course it would help him.
Doubs and Watson, they are still a work in progress.
Just like their QB is going to be throughout the season.
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I’ll say it one more time…..You can’t have a HOF QB or a new starter, and let that talent get depleted under your watch.
Seemingly putting little effort and resources into correcting the situation through the years.
Gute had a golden opportunity in the 2020 draft, and went…..another direction (gave up on the current team) and started drafting for the future.
That was Gutes biggest snafu as GM, then the Rodgers situation of giving him a new deal as Jordan Love must have been thinking (YO!!…remember me?).
We all remember the Jimmy Graham signing, that worked about as well as getting rid of Nelson two years too soon..
Right now, Gute has to be praying Love is a good solid starting QB in this league with at least, above average numbers. Or he ends up looking like a putz in front of the National media and fans.
If he isn’t already.
So. coming into Loves 4th season, what happens?
LeFleur warns Packer fans not to have too high of expectations for Love.
If that isn’t a flag concerning his confidence in Love, i don’t know what is.
YEA YEA….i saw the 4th quarter Eagles game blah blah blah….
And yes, this is Loves first starting season, i get it.
But……Justin Herbert started his first season, AS A ROOKIE, in a COVID season and i didn’t hear his coach, or GM warn their fans of having too high of expectations for him.
All he did was throw for 4,336 yards, 66%, 31 TD’s against 10 picks, a 98.3 passer rating.
Better, but somewhat similar to Rodgers 1st season.
So for Love…the bar has been set.
If he doesn’t succeed because of inexperienced pass catchers, that is, once again, on Gute.
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There is a reason i’ve said that if you have to rely on rookie draft picks, you’ve already lost.
Because winning teams don’t operate that way. It’s that simple.
The Packers 96′ and 2010 SB teams didn’t rely on a rookie draft class.
That’s not how SB teams are built.
But in Green Bay, the “goal is always the same” according to Gute.
Funny, i don’t remember in the last 30 years how the goal ever was, just making the playoffs.
So i guess the goal this season is winning the Super Bowl?
Am i reading that right?
I guess there is a fine line between goals, and fantasy’s
Maybe the defense can pull the team through, idk.
If NFL defenses were ranked on 1st round draft picks starting, the Packers would easily be #1 in the league.
I’ll be watching. As Tommi once told us, this is all about Gutes master plan.
I probably should take notes.
And how long did Favre have Sterling Sharpe before the career ending neck injury? A year? Maybe two? And how long did “the best QB ever!” have Davante Adams? 8 or 9 years?
I can’t remember now if it was Frankie Winters or some other offensive lineman who told the story when Favre was starting his first year in GB. They were in the huddle and Sharp, trying to intimidate his young QB, told Favre I’m running this route and you’ll throw the ball to me. Favre told Sharp to STFU, I’m the QB, I’ll decide who gets the ball. And Sharp shut up.
There’s no question, had Sterling Sharp stayed healthy he’d have gone down as one of the all time greats. But he didn’t. He’s hardly the only one who had their career cut short due to injury. Nick Collins and Jemicheal Findley come to mind.
How long did Favre have Freeman?
So yea Tommi, you were wrong as Cheese pointed out….twice.
As far as Rodgers dropped passes, i’ll assume you’ll just ignore that. because…….Rodgers didn’t need receivers, the Packers had/have a top 5 elite defense.
Ain’t that right cupcake?
Tom M 4 days ago
“Brett Favre never had anything close to Davante Adams. Never.”
Cheese 13 hours ago
“Never??? Three seasons of Sterling Sharpe must not count.”
Tom M 8 hours ago
“And how long did Favre have Sterling Sharpe before the career ending neck injury? A year? Maybe two?”
Did you even read my post? My goodness you are impossible. You say something dumb, another person corrects you, and you pretend like you didn’t even see it.
Wow, Favre told Sharpe that he decides who gets the ball. Guess that worked well because Sharpe still ended up getting the ball and going All Pro multiple times.
Sharpe was in his prime from the second Favre stepped on the field. Adams had at least three years of coming into his own before he was “the guy.” That’s the difference between having a veteran WR and and someone still learning the ropes. Maybe someone should tell Gute that.
Tom Moshier
“Brett Favre never had anything close to Davante Adams. Never.”
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NEVER!!!
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To reach Tommi, you can contact him at his new website……www.i’mafuckingmoronandialwayswillbe.org
Look girls. Antonio Freeman never was in Davante Adams class. They are not the same player. No matter how much you tell yourself otherwise. No one other than Packer fans even remotely remember who Antonio Freeman was. The same cannot be said for Davante Adams even 20 years from now. He’ll be remembered as one of the all time greats. Donald Driver, drafted in the 7th round no less, was a better WR than Antonio Freeman and Robert Brooks. And even Driver is no Davante Adams.
How long you play with someone matters Cheese. I’ll buy into the argument that Sterling Sharpe and Davante Adams were equal. But Favre had Sharpe two years while Rodgers had Adams for 8 years. That six years difference is a lifetime in the NFL.
The point of this discussion was to show that, over all, Rodgers had WR’s equal to or greater than anything Brett Favre had at WR. And we haven’t even mentioned your beloved Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, James Jones, or Randall Cobb in his prime.
Once again, this is a group of Aaron Rodgers apologists trying to make excuses for him. Saying he didn’t win more championships because he didn’t have enough at WR. Or the defense wasn’t top ten. Or the coaches let him down. Its all nonsense. You put Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady on any of those teams that had Davante Adams, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Randall, Cobb, James Jones even with an average defense and they win multiple championships. We know this because we’ve seen them do it over and over. While Rodgers fans cry for the perfect roster. Something that doesn’t exist.
“How long you play with someone matters Cheese.”
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Really? That wasn’t your excuse when you wanted to complain about Rodgers having to rely on three rookie WR’s last year. You’re the one that claims you can find Justin Jefferson caliber WR’s anywhere in the draft and having an experienced veteran around is only something “rOdGeRs aPoLoGiStS” bring up.
“I’ll buy into the argument that Sterling Sharpe and Davante Adams were equal. But Favre had Sharpe two years while Rodgers had Adams for 8 years. That six years difference is a lifetime in the NFL.”
Still can’t read can you? Favre and Sharpe played together for the 92, 93, and 94 seasons. Favre began starting in the 4th game of the 92 season. Despite that, Sharpe still won the league triple crown and went All Pro. That doesn’t count though for some reason does it, Tom? Adams did not become a big contributor on the offense until his 3rd year. This 2-8 year comparison is nonsense. Plus, there is a lot more that goes into a team winning than just the individual stats and playing times of individual receivers. We are at this point because you said Favre NEVER had a player like Adams. You got called on it and now you’re trying to talk your way out of it.
Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers…
Rabble, rabble, rabble!!!
Wah… wahh… wahhh…
Tom M 6 days ago
Brett Favre never had anything close to Davante Adams. Never. He had a bunch of guys much like Allen Lazard or MVS.
So in Tommi logic……
Sharpe and Freeman were in the Allen Lazard and MVS mold.
Of course Freeman and Sharpe were highly productive #1 receivers.
While Lazard and MVS are #3’s at best.
In Tommi logic, no difference.
Tom M 2 hours ago
How long you play with someone matters Cheese. I’ll buy into the argument that Sterling Sharpe and Davante Adams were equal. But Favre had Sharpe two years while…….(blah blah blah)
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Except for the fact that Favre had Sharpe for 3 seasons, not two.
But lets not let the truth and reality get in the way of Tommi’s logic.
Afterall, how can a viking fan be expected to know about the Packers.
Doing basic math also seems to be another issue for him.
SKOL!!
Ok, why not…….
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Tom M 4 hours ago
Brett Favre never had anything close to Davante Adams. Never. He had a bunch of guys much like Allen Lazard or MVS.
Thanks Tom!!
Then there was that one guy Donald Driver, who had 7, 1,000 plus yard receiving seasons (5 from Favre).
So i guess according to Tommi logic, that isn’t even close to Adams. But Driver is much more in line with Lazard and MVS who have a combined…..zero (0) seasons of 1,000 yard receiving seasons.
TOMMI LOGIC!!
I gotta write this stuff down before i forget it.
Lets see now, Favre didn’t have any good receivers.
Ok Tommi, notes taken, i think i got it now.
Let’s play a game ladies. It’s called who would rather have. Here we go.
Who would you rather have:
Sterling Sharpe or Davante Adams?
Antonio Freeman or Jordy Nelson?
Robert Brooks or Greg Jennings?
Donald Driver or Randal Cobb?
Mark Chumra or Jermicheal Findley?
Keith Jackson or Jimmy Graham?
Bill Schroeder or MVS?
Dorsey Levens or Aaron Jones?
Edgar Bennett or AJ Dillion?
This notion that Favre somehow had better offensive players than Rodgers is absolutely ridiculous. I’ll take Rodgers supporting cast over what Favre had to work with any day of the week. You can’t have it both ways Cheese. You can’t cry that Rodgers was forced to play with three talented rookies last year and then couldn’t be bothered to work with them in any offseason programs. While Rodgers was getting fucked up on magic tea. Patrick Mahomes was at every mini camp and OTA working with his guys. It’s called leadership. Some guys have it. Rodgers, not so much. One QB won a SB. The other got his narcissistic ass traded. I’ll take all three of those 2nd year WR’s over the veteran pair he took with him to New York and day of the week. Now, you two make excuses and quote your stats. It’s about all you’re good for.
“This notion that Favre somehow had better offensive players than Rodgers is absolutely ridiculous.” – Princess
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No, what’s ridiculous is that nobody claimed he had better offensive players.
Don’t you ever get tired of inventing false narratives?
What’s ridiculous, is that a few people called you out when you were obviously wrong and you can’t deal with it, never could.
So you ignore it and go on some tangent, now you want to play a game?
People are are tired of your games Gomer.
No more games.
Go rest your head.
Clean up the cheeto crumbs.
Take a nap.
Get some therapy.
Stop the destructive behavior.
Do something good for yourself.
Thank you for understanding.
Kevin, I’m not quoting Bill Schroeder’s stats, you are. I’m not saying Antonio Freeman was an elite WR in his day, you are. What I’m saying is Brett Favre did more with less than Aaron Rodgers. What I’m saying is Favre elevated those around him and made them better. What I’m saying is Aaron Rodgers had more great players and played favorites. This myth that gets perpetuated around here, that Rodgers never had help and had to do it all himself because management is incompetent, is nonsense. Patrick Mahomes does more with less and just wins SB’s. No one would ever say Kansas City’s defense is elite. Yet he’s been to three of the last of the last four SB’s winning two. Last year the Chiefs defense was ranked 16th.
If Aaron Rodgers was invested in last year’s offseason program as he is with the Jets right now, working with Garrett Wilson and his new receivers, then we probably make the playoffs. Instead, Rodgers gets into a petty pissing contest with management. Then throws his teammates and coaches under the bus when he plays like the old man he is. But now he wants revenge. Now he wants to stick it to the Packers so he’s all in. He can’t do enough for his new team. That’s your idol Kevin. He’s your hero…
Tom M 2 days ago
“What I’m saying is Brett Favre….”
“What I’m saying is Favre elevated….”
“What I’m saying is Aaron Rodgers had….”
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News Flash Gomer…..
Nobody here cares what you say.
What’s absolutely amazing is, after 3 years, you still haven’t figured that out yet.
Because a week of walk throughs in shorts is what was going to make or break last season, lol. The whole NFL missed offseason workouts in 2011 and GB went 15-1. Just imagine what they could have done with offseason workouts!
Favre was notorious for missing offseason workouts in GB because of his status, but now he’s this noble teammate who elevated everyone around him. Rodgers does the same thing and he’s a selfish narcissist who ruined the season because he only cares about himself.
Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers…
Rabble, rabble, rabble!!!
Wah… wahh… wahhh…
Can we….
get to…..
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