The Packers are less than 20 days away from the 2023 draft. Their needs are plenty and the three extra draft picks in the seventh round are unlikely to patch up all the holes.
If you are a fan who likes to “play GM” and try to predict Packer draft selections, you are particularly frustrated this year by our favorite Ex-MVP and potential future Jet, Aaron Rodgers and his new GM, Joe Douglas.
Green Bay Packers 2023 NFL Draft Strategies
Will the Packers get a second-round pick? Multiple picks? Will the picks be in 2023 or will they do the GM dance until June and the picks land in 2024? If the Jets are signing Tim Boyles, could they possibly include Zack Wilson in this trade? The head spinning and crazy scenarios are spinning out of my brain like rain gutter water on a stormy day.
Regardless of the number of times I revert back and check my phone for a headline, the best I can do at this point is guess at the compensation that will be finalized. Let’s just hope the Packers get a second-round pick since the Jets traded their third-round pick, probably just to save Gutekunst from himself and his third round shortcomings.
So, hypothetically, if the Packers end up with one extra second-round pick what is their strategy? Let’s discuss options.
Trading Up/Back/No Trades
Trading up only makes sense when a team is a player or two away from a championship contender and there are only one or two top players at your position of need. The Packers have needs at Tight End, Edge, Safety, Wide Receiver, Offensive and Defensive Tackle.
They could use depth at inside linebacker and backup quarterback. Drafting two tight ends and two safeties makes sense. Two wideouts would not raise an eyebrow either.
Trading up and losing a valuable pick makes little sense when you have as many needs as Green Bay. It also doesn’t make sense with the Packer’s needs and the options available at pick 15.
Draft pundits are, as usual, inconsistent in their predictions of who will be picked 1-14, but all of them have quality options at tight end, wide receiver, tackle and safety available at 15. Only edge rusher is predicted to be over drafted by pick 15 if the pundits turn out to have any accuracy, which is always suspect.
But while edge rusher doesn’t have that ultra dominant player that could go as the first pick, the 2023 draft has depth at the position with multiple players with decent potential.
While trading back could be an option since the team has many holes in the lineup, the teams with additional picks to package, the Bears, Lions and Seahawks aren’t the usual trading partners for the Packers. Pittsburgh has multiple second round picks but they already have the 17th pick and would probably only trade a 4th rounder to move up two spots.
The Packers could trade down to get an additional third-round pick, which would tear open the ulcers in every stomach who cheers for the Green and Gold, but that would probably involve their second-round pick, not number 15.
Keep Pick #15
So, potentially who might be available at 15? Three tight ends have been mocked from 15 to 30. They include Michael Mayer (Notre Dame), Darnell Washington (Georgia) and Luke Musgrave (Oregon State). One website even mocks TE Dalton Kincaid (Utah) as the 15th best player. (Pro Football Focus) There are also a number of edge rushers slotted in the lower half of the first round and beginning of the second including, Will McDonald (Iowa State), Keion White (Georgia Tech), Felix Anudike-Uzomah (Kansas State) and A. Adebawore (Northwestern). It is also possible both safeties, Brian Branch (Alabama) and Antonio Johnson (Texas A&M), the topped ranked safeties, will be available.
The Critical Second Round
Obviously the second round picks will be dependent on The GM’s first round selection. If safety Brian Branch is available at 15, Gutekunst should lock him up and go tight end in round two. If Gutekunst can trade his 2nd & 3rd round pick to move up for Mayer and grab Darnell Washington with the Aaron Rodgers trade pick, that could solve a huge hole for the offense.
Both of those tight ends block and catch and would cause defensive matchup problems for opposing defenses. They could also reduce the need for another wide receiver. But there are tight ends in later rounds and an edge rusher that can start would plug another huge hole early.
Safety, tight end and edge, not necessarily in that order, makes logical sense in rounds one and two, if the Packers get a high pick for Rodgers. If the trade fails to materialize prior to the draft, fans will have to hope round three finally produces a quality pick.
Rounds 3-7
The beauty of “playing GM” is all or none of the above may occur on draft day. You never really know what other teams will do or what medical reports are on players.
The beauty of “playing GM” is all or none of the above may occur on draft day. You never really know what other teams will do or what medical reports are on players. If there is a special wide receiver or left tackle or corner, the Packers would be foolish to pass on a future All-Pro, to “fill a need”.
All we know for certain is at the end of the draft, the Packers will have 10 or more new players and their potential will need to turn into production early and often for the 2023 Packers to be successful. From a GM’s perspective, the NFL draft is part skill, part luck, and part showmanship.
It’s as close to Poker as you can get as a Packer GM, unless you’re trying to swing a trade with Joe Douglas. The Rodgers trade and the draft are tied together in 2023 for Packer fans. And it’s time for the games to begin…
The Jets are not trading Zack Wilson just because they signed Tim Boyle. Tim Boyle, like Kurt Benkert and Danny Etling, are fringe NFL players. Tim Boyle is now with his 4th team in 4 years. He’s no better than a marginal NFL player regardless of Kevin’s glowing reports. While Zack Wilson may not ever be a franchise QB, it won’t be because of a marginal skill set like Boyle’s. Wilson’s problem is maturity. The thinking in New York goes like this, give Wilson a couple of years behind Aaron Rodgers, let him lean how to be a franchise QB, then give him another shot. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t. But the Packers, Lions, and Bears, who’ve all released Tim Boyle, can tell you he isn’t the answer at any capacity.
I’d take Miles Murphy, edge rusher Clemson, at 15. He reminds me a lot of Rashan Gary. Like Gary, he’s young at 21 and has his best football ahead of him. It’s too early to take the safety Branch at 15 and they’ll be TE options in the second round. I’m not a fan of Darnell Washington out of Georgia. He reminds me of Bubba Franks who was way over drafted. For everyone who bitches about Brian Gutekunst 3rd round draft picks, just remember, Ron Wolf couldn’t draft in the first round to save his life.
People don’t bitch about Gute’s 3rd round picks.
They bitch about his 3rd to 7th round picks his first 4 drafts.
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What Ron Wolf could do, was turn the culture of losing franchise around 180 degree’s to a winning culture.
He could also build a roster and win a Super Bowl.
He talked the talk, AND walked the walk.
That’s what Good GM’s do, build a roster, and win Championships, Like Ron and Ted.
The rest just exist, waiting to be replaced, like the current management team.
So tell us who you’d take at 15 Kevin? You’ve got such a keen eye for talent. It’s draft time, the only time clueless Kevin shuts the hell up. But he’ll bitch if every player picked isn’t an immediate all pro. Like he could do better. Since you don’t want any part of Jordan Love, then I say let’s see what my QB can do before you go embarrassing yourself. Your two all time favorite QB’s are in New York. Go have fun….
How can that be answered, without more information Corn Cob?
Ask an intelligent question for once.
How would i know…i don’t know who is/isn’t available with the 15th pick.
Were you dropped on your head a lot as a baby at the orphanage?
STOP DUMBING DOWN THIS PLACE
I don’t know that Seattle is out of the question as a draft day mover/trader. They have two firsts (5,20) and two seconds (37,52). How badly they might want to move up to 15 would probably get you 20 and 52 in return.
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The Chargers are another one to look at with pick 21 in the first and 53 in the second. There again the math is close get both of those in return for a move back from 15.
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The needs are many and I would lean toward a trade back if it nets another second rounder very near the top 50. They may not call it a rebuild but we can see what they have, and have not. Even in some of the position groups where analysts feel they are okay the depth is lacking and injuries during the season are bound to happen. Rebuild teams need quality bodies and if you can get an extra pick in the second, regardless of whatever happens with the Jets it probably makes sense. If a Jets trade materializes for draft day and one of their seconds is in the package, all the better.
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I’m not oozing with the optimism I get from some other folks I read on comment forums who think everything will be just fine. This draft has to deliver a couple few starters and some solid contributors even in platoon and rotational situations.
Unless one of the four QB’s fall to 15, which is highly unlikely, who do you trade up to 15 to get? I don’t see a must have player. This draft doesn’t strike me as that strong on the front end. Maybe if one of the top left tackles fall. I think teams are eyeing that RB from Texas and could move up. But it’s still a RB, you’re not going to move up that far for a RB. I just don’t see the 15th pick that enticing. Seattle does love to run the football so trading from 20 to 15 isn’t out of the question to get Bijan Robinson. Schneider did trade with us when he dropped back and took Rashad Penny and we took Alexander. I suppose the Chargers could use a RB. But then again, RB’s and TE’s seem to be the strength of this draft. Not sure you have to move up to get one. I could see the Chargers moving up from 21 to 19 if they wanted Robinson to prevent the Seahawks from taking him. But that’s a far cry from moving up to 15. Dallas supposedly likes Robinson as well but that would be a luxury pick for the Cowboys.
I think Gutekunst stays put and takes either the top OLB, DL, or LT on his board at 15. I think the Jets put their initial trade offer back on the table for Rodgers and we get one of those second round picks this year. If safety Brian Branch falls to the top of the second round or even the TE Kincaid, I could see Gutekunst moving up to get his guy. We’ve got a boat load of picks on the back end of the draft, so I don’t see him moving back to pick up extra picks. But I could just as easily see Gutekunst drafting a couple of TE’s and a couple of WR’s if he just stays put and is looking for quantity over quality. We know he’s not afraid to move around. Most of the top WR’s are on the small side. Don’t see Gutekunst going that route. And you’ve got to figure at least one RB in rounds 4 thru 7. Both Jones and Dillion are probably gone after this season….
We could have a ship load of draft picks after round 2, does that mean we’ll get a player?
Not so far….
but…fingers crossed.
GO GUTEY GO!!
In 11 days we can deal with reality, who picked who, who traded up/down.
Then after the draft, we can read articles of talking heads “grading teams draft classes (before any of those draft picks, ever step on an NFL field).
Good stuff
Silly season….Carry on👍
Silly season…Carry on 👍🏿
It’s being reported the Tennessee Titans are now interested in Aaron Rodgers if the Jets trade falls through. How is this possible with than godawful contract you ask? When the New York Giants are willing to pay Daniel Jones 40 million per season, Rodgers contract almost seems like a bargain. Almost. But wait! I’m to told Aaron Rodgers has to start for the Packers because of his contract! Sure he does. If Rodgers “intention” is to play next season then he’ll go where he’s traded or get paid to do nothing. His choice. But Rodgers and the Jets have all the leverage, right ladies? If that were true Gutekunst would have made the trade a month ago. Gutekunst is waiting this out, letting teams come to him. It’s his turn to put Rodgers “feet to the fire” good for him.
Jets trade falls through?
I thought it was a done deal Gomer.
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“Gutekunst is waiting this out, letting teams come to him. It’s his turn to put Rodgers “feet to the fire” good for him.”
(Letting teams come to him) LMFAO…..^^^^
Gute: Any other teams want to off offer us a first round pick for Rodgers?….anyone?….PLEASE!?!?
OR…How about a 4th or 5th round for Jordan Love?…anyone?
LMFAO
“How is this possible with than godawful contract you ask?” – Corn Cob
” I’m to told Aaron Rodgers has to start for the Packers because of his contract!” – Corn Cob
Kids…Stay in School!!
If you are truly clueless on who to draft, Kevin, then no one wants to hear you bitch at Gutekunst’s draft class next week. Offer a solution or STFU. If all you can get for your beloved Aaron Rodgers is a second round pick this year and a conditional second or third next year, then why does that trade have to be with New York? Why not Tennessee? Why not San Francisco? Why not New England? Why not anyone else? The answer is he doesn’t have to be traded to the Jets. And the Jets know it. He either plays where he’s traded or the Packers sit on him and pay him for nothing. Let Joe Douglas risk his job and call Gutekunst’s bluff. After all the bullshit Rodgers pulled on draft day two years ago and in the months that followed, Gutekunst isn’t about to play nice here. Oh, but Rodgers has leverage, he has to approve of the trade! No he doesn’t. Rodgers needs to be loved. He needs constant attention. He needs to be marveled for his intellect. You don’t get any of that crap sitting at home collecting a pay check. His new team will give him all the love and affection her craves. Blaine Gabbert just signed to be Patrick Mahomes backup. The list of washed up, veteran QB’s is dwindling. The pressure is on Uncle Woody. He’ll come to his senses and have Joe Daddy make the deal. I’d bet your unemployment check on it, Kevin.
Tom M 2 days ago
So tell us who you’d take at 15 Kevin?
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PF4L 1 day ago
How can that be answered, without more information Corn Cob?
Ask an intelligent question for once.
How would i know…i don’t know who is/isn’t available with the 15th pick.
Were you dropped on your head a lot as a baby at the orphanage?
STOP DUMBING DOWN THIS PLACE
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” Offer a solution or STFU.” – Corn Cob
Solution: Get rid of Murphy and Gute. End this circus shit show.
This team has more holes than it’s had for awhile under these two.
Thats besides all the drama and mismanagement they’ve created the last 3 years.
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You want to know who i’d take with the 15th Corn Cob, would that make you stop crying and whining? (Doubtful)
I’d take BPA all day long.
If you want to know why, and you can manage to get off your Mom for a moment, maybe i’ll consider telling you why.
Thanks again Paul for keeping things alive here. During this time I miss the contributions that Rob Born would make around draft time. Hope all is well for Rob. I’m also missing the analysis from Howard. Nobody better than Howard in the comment section when it comes to game analysis and I always appreciated him.
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So who should/would they take? I’ll spit ball a little. I’ve joked before, who is the best Georgia player available when they draft because they have a recent track record with Bulldogs. So if offense well, maybe Roderick Jones but he will likely be gone. I kinda lean toward Darnell Wright (Tenn) for a OT presence based on where things will go with Bahk looking a little down the road. Might have to stay at 15 to get him.
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If it is defense with the first pick you might have to go with your best edge or safety pick you have graded. The safety class is thin and the need is big so passing up on a quality candidate could be tough. There’s a little more quality in the edge group. Either way, if a trade back from 15 nets another second rounder and you can get that BPA with the first pick, go for it.
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Into the second round I lean toward TE(s) and I hope there is more than one round two pick (to get a safety if an edge went in the first). This is a very good TE class and the need is there. For all the wet dreams some fans have for blowing a high pick on JSN from Ohio I just don’t see it. The WR class isn’t that great this year. They have a lot of over-rated guys on the small side. There is probably better value on a later WR (Mingo, Wicks as examples) this year. A difference making TE can be had here, take your pick. Big tall guys who can block, move chains, and catch in the red zone will do the team better than a small slot guy with a smaller situational window.
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Beyond that, Edge/DL (if not picked early) and WR getting into the mid rounds, certainly a QB prospect, RB and please don’t shit the bed in round three. Rounds 5-7 are camp bodies. Maybe a kicker shows up there, maybe some beefers, special teamers and hopefully one diamond in the rough.
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There, I tried. I’m not welded onto any of this but, we’ll see. The only guy I got right on the mock I did for a bet last year was Samori Toure. So this year, look for maybe Matt Landers from Arkansas as a late round WR.
Thanks Mitch. I check in but there hasn’t been to much to add lately. Your analysis has motivated me to comment.
I agree about the receivers. It would be a GOOD thing to get Mingo in the second. I’m with you on a TE in the second if the Packers have 2 second round picks. One of many big drop offs last year on offense was red zone production. You need a TE and possession type receiver to cause a defense to have to bracket cover or double up a couple your offensive weapons in the red zone and on third downs.
If the first round plays out like I think then I believe the Packers try to trade down. After the first 14 players there may be a couple of highly graded players left, but I don’t think they fit what the Packers typically look for in the first round. They either may be a RB,QB, small WR, or not have a high RAS. I think the players after 15 all have very close grades and several could be positions of need. I personally think the Packers should go Offensive tackle or defensive edge/end in the first. My concern is if the Packers trade down or stay put in the first, the Packers may take a corner. There will probably be a couple of corners that the Packers like because of there RAS. I’m thinking like the corner from Maryland, Banks.
I think you’re right Mitch. Gutekunst has a type. He likes speed/size guys from big programs early in the draft. I think one of the edge rushers between Miles Murphy or Lucas Van Ness is there at 15. As could be one of the top DL and/or LT prospects. Everyone is mocking Michael Mayer at 15 to the Packers but I don’t see it. He didn’t test out well at the combine. I prefer Dalton Kincaid at TE as do many others. Still, 15 is high for a TE and I just don’t see Gutekunst going that route at 15. I suppose if the edge rushers are gone it’s a possibility. I like Jaxon Smith-Njiba a lot but it doesn’t make any sense to use the 15th pick on essentially a slot receiver who’ll never be more than a number two WR behind Christian Watson. But here’s a thought. CJ Stroud is suddenly falling out of favor over perceived coaching concerns. Do you draft Stroud if he falls to 15? Or do you trade the pick? It saves you from having all your eggs in the Jordan Love basket at the most important position. Trading the pick would be the way to go. You’d get a 1st rounder next year along with the likely first rounder from the Jets for Rodgers plus the Packers own first round pick. That’d give you three first round picks next year to move up to get Caleb Williams from USC. A far superior prospect to CJ Stroud should Jordan Love not develop. There’s the trade back you were referring to Mitch. Unlikely to be sure, but the Packers have to be prepared for every possibility.
From down the hall….for everyone’s enjoyment 😉
Yes Gomer….even you
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I think there is some merit in Gute giving Rodgers the finger regarding the pass catching room.
After letting Jordy go and making Jimmy Graham the highest paid tight end in the league (OOPS) back in 2018, Gute hasn’t replenished the talent level….since.
That’s 5 years of talent depleshment people.
From 2018 on, Gute didn’t do Rodgers and the offense any favors acquiring pass catching talent. Was it done for spite(?)
I don’t know, what i do know, is Gute was caught with his pants down with an empty pass catching room.
Either A) Gute didn’t realize how thin that room was getting.
Or B) He didn’t seem to care much.
Devin Funchess?….Sammy Watkins?…. J’Mon Moore?…MVS?…..E.St. Brown?
Not exactly brilliant moves to upgrade the talent.
So after losing Adams, which he should have prepared for (duh).
He then decided, GEE…..i better draft some wide receivers again (duh)
So he drafted 3 of them, highly inconsistent concerning injuries, drops, etc.
BUT importantly…2 of them showing you flashes their rookie season.
Which is all you can realistically expect from…rookies.
You can NOT draft rookie receivers in the 2nd, 4th, 7th rounds…and expect them to give you veteran consistent production.
Nor should a team “have to rely” on that for their offense.
I know that, and Gute knows that ( i would like to think).
We are one game away from a Super Bowl, so what does Gute do in the 2020 draft?
Trades up for a QB in the first round.
He picks a QB to sit on the bench for 3 years, in the most receiver rich first round i have ever seen in my lifetime of watching drafts.
Gute gave up on Rodgers, and the current team at that point.
He drafted for the future.
Well….here it is, the future is now.
Good luck Gute.
“Do you draft Stroud if he falls to 15? Or do you trade the pick? It saves you from having all your eggs in the Jordan Love basket at the most important position.” – Tommi
Is this the same Jordan Love that Tommi has frequently told us is a franchise QB.
Is this the same Jordan Love that Tommi has told us was breathing down Rodgers neck making Rodgers nervous over his starting job? (lol is ok at this point folks).
Is this the same Jordan Love that Tommi has told us would beat out Rodgers in training camp and put Rodgers on the bench with his tail between his legs?
Yea Tommi…lets draft another QB in the first round.
Just in case Gute wants to move on from the Jordan Love egg basket.
Because the last 3 years of Murphy/Gutes strategy of moving on from Rodgers has gone so smooth, LETS DO IT AGAIN!!
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We all are better Packer fans because of you Tommi….keep educating us
Good luck Gute!! 😄
Take a bow Mark Murphy, your supervision and roster building advise you give Gute, is invaluable!!!
Look for the release of Murphy/Gutes new book titled: Building a Championship NFL Roster…For Dummies.
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I’d like to order two signed copies, please send one to Ron Wolf, and one to the Estate of Ted Thompson.
I hope you’ve got a nice thick set of knee pads Kevin. If Jordan Love turns out to be an NFL QB, you’re gonna be sucking Brian Gutekunst’s cock for the next 10 years. Cuz he ain’t going anywhere. Let me ask you, how many championships did Aaron Rodgers win with Davante Adams and Allan Lazard? If you said the same number he’ll win with Garrett Wilson and Allan Lazard, then we have a winner! Zero! There seemed to be plenty of “pass catching talent” to win back to back MVP awards and to throw 75 TD’s and 7000 plus yards in two years. But not enough to keep little Erin from choking in the playoffs. Jordy Nelson? You mean the guy who got cut, played one season with the Raiders, got cut a second time, and never played again? That Jordy Nelson? As for CJ Stroud, I don’t think he’ll fall that far but no one thought Rodgers would fall that far either. You have to plan for every contingency. Not that you would know anything about that…
LOL…That’s what i like about you Lonely Boy….no matter how long you sit at rock bottom, you still keep on trying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNqqs4h4M7c
Another treasure from down the hall by my favorite fan over there 😏
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Hello Baloney….Thanks for a well thought out response vs the usual empty brain dead thumbs down i usually get.
Everything boils down to the bottom line.
Gute had a specific strategy you profess, and you might be 100% correct, we don’t know.
But what we do know, is results.
If Gute faced obstacles along the way, then he should have eliminated them, or over came them, no matter who or what it was.
Again…bottomline, he didn’t get it done, he’s had years, and his handling of the Love/Rodgers situation couldn’t have gone any worse imo.
Now we have a team with many positional needs.
Including, receiver and tight end, even still, after years and years and years..
Gute has had a handful of years to address receiver and tight end, and he’s failed, no matter how anyone wants to spin it.
He’s in charge of the roster. period
TJ Hockenson was traded for what was the equivalent of a 3rd round pick.
Where was Gute during this?
I don’t know about you, but i’d give all 5 of Gutes 3rd round draft picks combined, for a 25 year old Hockenson, and feel like i stole him.
What did Darren Waller get traded for, a 3rd round pick correct?
Where was Gute?
Bottom line….You have to be in the game, to win it.
Gute can change what he wants to change, Gute is the boss and it’s his job, but…..if you still have a HOF QB under center who has made a living with his arm, you have to give him some talent, especially as he gets older where he doesn’t have his legs, when he used to wow us with all those OMFG passes, we were all in awe over.
Baloney…the 49ers are the 49ers, the Packers are the Packers.
The difference is the 49ers are much stronger across the board.
Minus one foolish move…making that costly expensive trade to move up 9 spots to obtain Trey Lance.
We all remember the 49ers trying to work a trade for Rodgers before moving up to grab Lance..
If Gute wanted to construct a “new offense” without Rodgers, he could have gotten a Kings ransom at that time.
BUT…you have to have the balls of a Ron Wolf, or a Ted Thompson to make a move.
That was the time for Gute to shine.
Now Gute’s on his knee’s begging for a 1st round pick.
The Packers refused to talk to the 49ers back then and now, the Packers are at where they are at.
Trying to make the playoffs this season.
The bottom line in the NFL for General Managers, are results
After 5 seasons, the state of the Packers team right now, are the results.
A readers response to PF4L from “down the hall”
White92
April 21, 2023 at 10:12 pm
Preach brother
Mr Edwards has it correct here. But this is not the way to operate, or (try) build a Championship roster.
“All we know for certain is at the end of the draft, the Packers will have 10 or more new players and their potential will need to turn into production early and often for the 2023 Packers to be successful.” Paul Edwards
(which i’ve said in here, every spring, for some years now)
Something i’ve said many times in here. If you are relying on a draft class for team success, you most likely have already failed.
A team finding itself in this position, can be caused by many things, mismanagement, injuries, bad contracts/salary cap issues.
But most importantly, by bad drafts. Bad drafting catches up to a team as it has with the Packers. Where it catches up to a team is having too many needs to fill.
Top tier teams are usually a player or two away, like the 49ers last season. They had/have QB issues, but the team is built so strong, they were able to overcome, even with a 7th round rookie QB under center.
The Packers were a player or two away, also maybe a def. coordinator away, but then someone decided in 2020, ” Hey…i like this Jordan Love kid!! Lets start over and build for the future!!
Well Packer Nation the future is……now.
Here we are, enjoy.
We have a team with a goal of trying to make the playoffs.
As a fan, i can remember that being the same goal, 40 plus years ago.
So now it’s because we didn’t trade for TJ Hockenson or Darren Walker that we didn’t make the playoffs? I thought it was because Aaron Rodgers is old and played like shit. Silly me. Trading for Kellen Winslow or Tony Gonzalez in their prime wouldn’t have made Aaron Rodgers a SB QB last year. Tell me Kevin, was TJ Hockenson a difference maker when Kirk Cousins pulled an Aaron Rodgers and shit the bed in the playoffs? Let me help you there, the answer is no. Where was TJ Hockenson when Joe Barry’s defense shut down the Viking offense in week 17? Your problem Kevin is you never offer anything new to the conversation. It’s either you marvel at Rodgers stats by shitting out his accomplishments over and over. Or you’re criticizing the roster because it wasn’t perfect thereby constantly making excuses for him. You can’t offer a guess as to who or what we might draft because you don’t know. Critical thinking escapes you. This surprises no one. Aaron Rodgers is gone and he’s not coming back. It’s time to look ahead and plan for a future with Jordan Love. Get behind it, or follow your hero to New York. The choice is yours….
Tom M 32 mins ago
So now it’s because we didn’t trade for TJ Hockenson or Darren Walker
Tommi, why do you pretend to be intelligent, when everyone knows you are a simpleton?
There is nothing wrong with that, but don’t…pretend that you are anything more.
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Now think Gomer….Why would i bother putting those two trades in my comments, what was i illustrating?
I know it’s difficult, but take a shot.
Outsmarting the rest of the leagues GM’s.
Never underestimate the value of drafting players with a wonderlic score under 10.
http://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/1296223/what-does-rashan-garys-9-on-the-wonderlic-test-say-about-the-quality-of-a-michigan-education
It’s called draft and develop Kevin. What will determine the success of the upcoming season will depend on players like Jordan Love, Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, Quay Walker, Devante Wyatt, Eric Stokes, Zac Tom, Yosh Nijman, Kingsley Enagbare and others. All players in the developmental pipeline ready to contribute. Why those players? Because they were DRAFTED! Not so much this years draft class. This is what the best teams do. Draft and develop. Then they supplement their rosters with FA’s. This has been proven time and time again to be a successful formula in the NFL. This coming season is all about Jordan Love. Can he play? This draft will be about adding depth and hopefully a couple of immediate starters that would help either facilitate Love’s development or help out on defense.
I’m facing quite the dilemma.
After reading MJD’s mock draft, a question came to mind.
Which loses the most brain cells….
A) Reading Tommi’s commentary, view’s and predictions.
B) Reading Maurice Jones-Drew’s mock draft.
It seems the stupidity between either, is too close to call.
http://www.nfl.com/news/maurice-jones-drew-2023-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-indianapolis-colts-land-bryce-young
Example – Tommi: Royce Newman is a 10 year starter.
Example – MJD: Carolina Panthers select Anthony Richardson 1st overall.
For what it’s worth, I like Chad Reuter’s new mock draft and would be happy if that were the case.
For the record Kirk had 18 completions in loss to Packers and T.J. caught 7 of them… I would say T.J. was the only offensive weapon the Vikings had that day
Kirk completed 18 passes in the loss to Packers, with T.J. catching 7 of them… it seems to be that he was the offense.. Think how much more the Vikings would have sucked without T.J.
For the mentally challenged……
Green Bay Packer leading tight ends (2022)….
*Tonyan…470 yards…2 TD’s
Josiah Deguara…114 yards…0 TD’s
Marcedes Lewis…66 yards..2 TD’s (for only…$4 million)
Tyler Davis….26 yards..0 TD’s
TOTAL…676 yards..4 TD’s
* GONE
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TJ Hockenson (2022)….914 yards..6 TD’s
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Now tell me Tommi….
Do you get it now?
Is the bulb bright enough for you to see?
Are you starting to understand yet?
The Packer bandwagon is full Killer, go back to your vikings.
Tommi…You have to be one of the dumbest mf’s i’ve ever seen in football forums.
SKOL!!
Back to shitting out stats again, huh, Kevin? You know what stats and Aaron Rodgers have in common? They never win championships. Go live in the land of make believe where TJ Hockenson and Aaron Rodgers beat one legged Patrick Mahomes in the SB last year. Who needs reality? Take the girls with you. And don’t forget your Aaron Rodgers photo album.
Tom M 2 hours ago
Back to shitting out stats again, huh, Kevin?
Stats don’t do anything except tell us player and team production.
Stats have no place in sports.
As usual Tommi, you outsmart all of us.
SKOL!!
Tom M 2 hours ago
Back to shitting out stats again, huh, Kevin? You know what stats and Aaron Rodgers have in common? They never win championships.
Unless of course, they do win Championships
See…2010 Super Bowl XLV
SKOL!!
And how many of those 7 catches did TJ Hockenson catch Sean on that last meaningless TD drive at the end of the game? That’s like saying sure, we lost to the 49ers in the playoffs but Davante Adams caught 7 balls. The New York Jets are falling into the same trap the Packers and Brian Gutekunst did. They’re trying to build a team around Aaron Rodgers. They’re signing players and coaches that he wants. The roster is being built for just him. We know this doesn’t work Sean. You know it doesn’t work. None of the Aaron Rodgers fanboys are saying Rodgers takes the Jets to the SB. Do you really believe, like Kevin, that if Joe Douglas trades for TJ Hockenson the Jets with Aaron Rodgers are now a SB contender? Patrick Mahomes took Travis Kelce and MVS and won a SB. Aaron Rodgers couldn’t win a SB with Davante Adams and MVS. Some guys just win SB’s and other guys just collect stats. I’ll let you decide who’s who. Is Jordan Love the answer? I have no idea. What I do know is the Jets are ultimately looking at the same disappointment Packer fans do come January. Maybe just getting that far is enough for them. But for us the standard is higher.
Psstttt Tommi…..
Don’t tell anyone, but Aaron Rodgers is a Green Bay Packer.
But that’s highly classified, so lets keep it on the down low.
SKOL!!
Tom M 3 hours ago
Some guys just win SB’s and other guys just collect stats.
Aaron Rodgers has done both.
SKOL!!
Tom M 3 hours ago
Patrick Mahomes took Travis Kelce and MVS and won a SB.
Those 3 players beat Philadelphia all by themselves.
MVS alone had 0 catches for 0 yards on 1 target in that game, with no fumbles or drops.
Any questions?
SKOL!!
Tom M 3 hours ago
They’re trying to build a team around Aaron Rodgers. They’re signing players and coaches that he wants. The roster is being built for just him. We know this doesn’t work Sean. You know it doesn’t work.
It didn’t work for the Colts with Manning, or the Bucs with Brady.
IT DOESN’T WORK!!
When are you cheeseheads going to realize i’m far smarter than all of you, combined?
SKOL!!
Kirk Cousins completing 18 passes and TJ Hockenson catching 7 balls in a blowout loss to the Packers is like Kevin bragging he made out with his sister. Yeah, that’s a real moral victory there! When the Packers lost to the Bucs in the NFC Championship game everyone blamed Kevin King. So Gutekunst drafted Eric Stokes and signed Rasul Douglas. When everyone blamed Gutekunst for “not giving Rodgers enough help” even though he was always going to target Adams 15 times a game, he drafted Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs. Now the excuse is TE, even though Aaron Rodgers rarely utilizes the position. Notice a pattern here? It’s always someone else’s fault. So whose fault will it be when the Jets fall on their face this year? If you’re an Aaron Rodgers fanboy you’ll find someone else to blame. I call it the TJ Hockenson effect. They were just one player away from giving Rodgers everything he needed. Sure they were. I can promise you New York Jets fans will be in mood for such nonsense. If Rodgers fucks up, and we all know he will, they’ll be no excuses. They’ll come after the little diva. Pucker up buttercup, it’s going to get ugly….
^Tommi Clueless^
Tom M 3 hours ago
They’re trying to build a team around Aaron Rodgers. They’re signing players and coaches that he wants. The roster is being built for just him. We know this doesn’t work Sean. You know it doesn’t work.
It didn’t work for the Colts with Manning, or the Bucs with Brady.
IT DOESN’T WORK!!
When are you cheeseheads going to realize i’m far smarter than all of you, combined?
SKOL!!
Random….
The Bucks need to put forth some effort and urgency and dare i say, play defense?
The Heat had the leagues 25th ranked offense during the season.
In the playoffs, the Heat’s offense is ranked first.
What’s wrong with that picture?
The Bucks just aren’t consistent enough scoring, where they don’t have to play good defense.
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I heard rumours that Murphy and Gute like to play dominoes on the floor in Murphy’s office to kill time in the off season, mostly in the mornings before Gute leaves to get lunch for both of them at Wendy’s.
That’s all fine and dandy, but at the same time we are waiting to hear how they reaped a Kings ransom in the Rodgers trade, so, if i can speak for all of us….,.,..,……
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/441288af-5441-4cab-bc80-61d6b69e180f
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If you’re anything like me, your also looking forward to Tommi say anything intelligent….
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/441288af-5441-4cab-bc80-61d6b69e180f
Here is another gold nugget i found posted down the hall….
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I just don’t have patience to sit and listen to podcast.
I view pre drafts as “Silly Season” because everyone has their opinion and for most of them it’s fun discussing the draft and that’s cool if you’re into that.
I skip all the pre draft hype of…who we should take, who we shouldn’t, if we should trade up, if we should trade down, whose stock went up at the combine (fools gold) and outsmarted the rest of the GM’s.
I wait until teams make their actual picks, before i start paying any real attention, because lets be real. All the pre draft wants, or predictions, rarely (if ever) come to fruition.
When the picks are made, i then check out what the scouts have said, which i find to be about 80-90% reliable.
I also don’t watch players highlight video’s on youtube because lets face it, they all look good right?
In other words, i like dealing with what really happened in the actual draft, vs. all the if, come, maybe scenario’s in pre draft silly season dreamland.
It’s official. Rodgers has been traded to the Jets. Thank goodness Gutekunst wasn’t dumb enough to pay him $60,000,000 to sit the bench. Unlike all the macho armchair GM’s across the internet looking to enforce their imaginary dominance.
So what do the Packers get?
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-They moved up two spots in this year’s first round. Instead of the 15th pick they get the 13th pick. I guess we’ll see how important that is especially when I’ve heard people talking about the Packers trading back but I guess it’s something.
– a 2nd round pick (43)
– a 6th round pick this year. Who gives a shit.
– a conditional 2nd round pick next year that becomes a 1st round pick if Rodgers plays 65% of the plays this season.
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So the Packers essentially got a first and second round pick out this deal. What they do with those picks has yet to be seen. Let’s hope the choose wisely.
Reporter asks Gute based off of Bahktiari’s comments if they are rebuilding because they don’t have any receivers or TE’s that were on the team a year ago before the draft. Not to mention a QB starting his first season.
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Gute- “No, I don’t look at it like that. The goals don’t change around here. We’ve always had the same goals. The goal here is the same every year.”
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Lol, ok there bud. What a politician. He asked about rebuilding not about goals. The Chicago Bears have a goal of winning the Super Bowl every year too. That doesn’t mean they aren’t rebuilding. Essentially the whole offense, besides the line and RB’s, has been with the team for no more than a year. Aside from the year-4 rookie QB.
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Bakhtiari- ‘The Packers rebuilt from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers.’ What are we going to say? It’s not a rebuild? Like, that is what that is. And that’s totally fine.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/80c0d9ea-1c78-4cfe-806c-85ef98a50735
The Jets reportedly offered the Packers their next 10 3rd round picks.
But Gutekunst was against that proposal saying that “…..even 10 3rd round picks is of no value to me.”
I hate to burst your bubble ladies, but it’s official. For all you “experts” who said it couldn’t be done because of his contract were wrong yet again. Money was never really the issue. Rodgers has to play just 65% of the time next season for next years second round pick to be a first. Robert Saleh doesn’t have the balls to sit Rodgers even if he plays like shit which is entirely possible. So you can bank on that 1st round pick going to the Packers. Let’s review, that’s a first and a second for the little diva, exactly what Gutekunst wanted and got. But I thought Rodgers and the Jets had all the leverage? That’s what you ladies kept saying. While Kevin said Gutekunst was playing checkers while everyone else was playing chess. His typical nonsense. What gets overlooked here is swapping the 13th and 15th picks. This suggests the Packers are targeting a player they want to make sure they get. My guess is it’s Miles Murphy, Van Ness, or one of those LT prospects. You wouldn’t have to trade up to get Kincaid or the Ohio St WR. On the outside chance CJ Stroud falls to 13, and stranger things have been known to happen, I don’t see us trading out of the pick. Which one of you ladies will be the first to wear your number 8 New York Jets jersey? Order yours today and help Uncle Woody make payroll…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBd2DyfpvGI
Look at Tommi Clueless….acting like he won something. 😀
I haven’t seen him this excited since his food card amount got raised.
The New York Jets are like the Raiders, but worse.
The Jets haven’t seen the playoffs for 12 years, a major sports record drought.
They have spent 3 1st round picks on QB bust since 2009.
The last (and only) time the Jets made the Super Bowl was in Jan/1969
QB’d by their best QB in franchise history..Hollywood Joe 27,057 yards and 170 TD’s.
Yes, Tommy thinks he won something, and he thinks the Packers won something.
So lets all go out for a 🍦 and celebrate!! 🤗
By all accounts, before the draft picks are taken and we see the players they get, Murphy and Gute did ok on this trade, after dropping the ball of getting so much more for Rodgers 1-3 years ago.
So where does this leave the Packers, and the Jets TODAY.
The Jets already have a Championship caliber defense, so what did they need?
If you said a franchise QB for their offense, you won yourself an extra scoop on your ice cream cone!! 😛
So the Jets fans finally get a QB and Jet fans are going nuts with hope of going deep in the playoffs.
Lets be real, a late 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick is a bargain for the Jets in finally landing a real QB under center.
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The Packers get some draft capitol to build for the future, which Gute started doing in the 2020 draft when he gave up on that current Packer team.
Right now….Today, the Packers have a middle of the road defense, an offense with 2 inconsistent sophomore receivers still trying to prove themselves, and 3 other receivers, Toure, Jeff Cotton, and Bo Melton.
But that isn’t all..they also have tight ends Tyler Davis, Josiah Deguara, Austin Allen, and Nick Guggemos.
Last but not least…1st round pick franchise QB Jordan Love. Love has 3 years experience with a passer rating of 79.7, with 3 TD’s and 3 interceptions. lets not forget to mention 6 completions in garbage time.
Let the winning begin!!
^Not bad^
Those are the kind of names that are going to keep Packer opponents defensive coordinators up at night this season trying to figure out how to stop this Packer offensive juggernaut.
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Who won?
Summary…The Packers got some draft capitol to help with the rebuild.
The Packers may rewax the slide and renovate the hot chocolate stand with the revenue from increased Love jersey’s
The Jets, who had 1 prime time game last year, will get probably 4-6 this season.
The Jets fan base has something to live for and look forward to for the first time, in a long time with their Jets team.
For Jets fans, everything in life now looks better, smells better, and taste better.
They are loving life and will spend stupid amounts of money on their Jets team.
The Packer vs. The Jets trade……..Who won?
Gute- “No, I don’t look at it like that. The goals don’t change around here. We’ve always had the same goals. Like when i traded up (oops), like when Jordan Love fell to us.
You don’t sound very optimistic Kevin. Don’t you know the Jets just got the best QB ever! A QB far superior to Brady and Mahomes. All Rodgers needs now is the perfect roster. All Rodgers needs is TJ Hockenson! Aaron Rodgers is gonna miss you girls far more than you’re gonna miss him. You’re already making excuses for him in New York and he’s yet to get a massage from an intern. Don’t be surprised if he flames out in New York and nobody will be blamed but your hero. Can’t wait!
Look at Tommi Clueless….acting like he won something. 😀
I haven’t seen him this excited since his food card amount got raised.
The New York Jets are like the Raiders, but worse.
The Jets haven’t seen the playoffs for 12 years, a major sports record drought.
They have spent 3 1st round picks on QB bust since 2009.
The last (and only) time the Jets made the Super Bowl was in Jan/1969
QB’d by their best QB in franchise history..Hollywood Joe 27,057 yards and 170 TD’s.
Yes, Tommy thinks he won something, and he thinks the Packers won something.
So lets all go out for a 🍦 and celebrate!! 🤗
By all accounts, before the draft picks are taken and we see the players they get, Murphy and Gute did ok on this trade, after dropping the ball of getting so much more for Rodgers 1-3 years ago.
So where does this leave the Packers, and the Jets TODAY.
The Jets already have a Championship caliber defense, so what did they need?
If you said a franchise QB for their offense, you won yourself an extra scoop on your ice cream cone!! 😛
So the Jets fans finally get a QB and Jet fans are going nuts with hope of going deep in the playoffs.
Lets be real, a late 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick is a bargain for the Jets in finally landing a real QB under center.
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The Packers get some draft capitol to build for the future, which Gute started doing in the 2020 draft when he gave up on that current Packer team.
Right now….Today, the Packers have a middle of the road defense, an offense with 2 inconsistent sophomore receivers still trying to prove themselves, and 3 other receivers, Toure, Jeff Cotton, and Bo Melton.
But that isn’t all..they also have tight ends Tyler Davis, Josiah Deguara, Austin Allen, and Nick Guggemos.
Last but not least…1st round pick franchise QB Jordan Love. Love has 3 years experience with a passer rating of 79.7, with 3 TD’s and 3 interceptions. lets not forget to mention 6 completions in garbage time.
Let the winning begin!!
^Not bad^
Those are the kind of names that are going to keep Packer opponents defensive coordinators up at night this season trying to figure out how to stop this Packer offensive juggernaut.
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Who won?
Summary…The Packers got some draft capitol to help with the rebuild.
The Packers may rewax the slide and renovate the hot chocolate stand with the revenue from increased Love jersey’s
The Jets, who had 1 prime time game last year, will get probably 4-6 this season.
The Jets fan base has something to live for and look forward to for the first time, in a long time with their Jets team.
For Jets fans, everything in life now looks better, smells better, and taste better.
They are loving life and will spend stupid amounts of money on their Jets team.
The Packer vs. The Jets trade……..Who won?