In 2020, the Packers had the Smith Brothers signed and still used their first-round pick on edge rusher Rashan Gary. If they valued the position in 2020, they should be more focused on edge rusher in this 2023 draft. With Za’Darius Smith now an enemy wearing purple, unless they cut him as requested, and Rashan Gary probably starting the season on IR, the need for an edge rusher is urgent and obvious.
Potentially game changing edge rushers are always taken high in the draft. Gary was available for the Packers at 12 because his sack numbers at Michigan did not match those of a true outside rusher. Gary had played downs at Michigan on the interior of the line and took a year to really blossom into a consistent edge threat.
Packers Have the 15th Pick in this Draft
Draft mocks, though always suspect, have multiple edge rushers going before the Packers choose at fifteen. Alabama’s Will Anderson, Texas Tech’s Tyree Wilson and Myles Murphy from Clemson may go back-to-back before the Raiders pick at seven, so those with fingers crossed that a certain Mr. Rodgers joins either a Vegas or New York (Jets pick 13th) neighborhood may not get a game changing edge rusher as part of any potential trade package.
Now, Gutekunst could package picks to trade up after a Rodgers trade, but with as many holes as this team has and a looming cap issue, trading back for more picks makes more sense. The other concern is only one more true edge comes off the board in the rest of the first round in many mock drafts.
Projected 2023 Draft Edge Picks
That last projected first rounder is Lucas Van Ness. Ness: Iowa: (6’5”/275) has measurables, but never started at Iowa. Iowa played him all over the line and his two blocked punts against Iowa State fill the highlight reel, but Van Ness struggled against quality linemen. Against Ohio State he was mostly stoned by their tackles and tight end.
Even OSU’s running back dropped him to the ground. He ended 2022 with 7 sacks, 7 TFL, and 36 tackles. Against Wisconsin, Van Ness showed some bull rush but not much else. He did not seem fluid in moves to slip blockers. How do you draft a guy at 15 who was a rotational player in college? To his credit, Van Ness played 458 snaps in 2022. He played starter’s snaps. (Wilson had 605 for T.T./Murphy 586 for Clemson)
This edge class is said to be deep, here the named invitees to the NFL combine who were listed as defensive lineman:
MJ Anderson: Iowa State: Edge size, but limited edge skills, too raw a player with less than 600 college snaps and one year as a HS starter.
Adetomiwa Adebawore: Northwestern: (6’2”/282) More an undersized defensive end than pure edge rusher, ended 2022 with 5 sacks, 38 total tackles and 9 TFL. If you watched the NFL combine, he looked a bit like superman on steroids. He blew away the combine pundits with a 4.49 40-yard dash. His 10-yard split of 1.61, even more important for Edge players, is not Clay Mathews explosiveness (Clay hit 1.49 but ran a 4.66 forty) but is still incredible for 282 pounds.
Adebawore still has the Achilles’ heel of missed tackles. One site quoted 22 missed tackles. Others are kinder and say double digit missed tackles in 2022.
Felix Anudike: Kansa State: (6’4”/256) his 8.5 sacks and 11 TFL’s in his final junior season look good. He did not run the 40 the combine so his pro day will be crucial.
Habakkuk Baldonado: Pittsburgh: (6’4”/251) Baldonado ran a 4.78 forty with a 1.67 split at the combine. Baldonado played one year of high school football in the U.S. after three years in Italy. In 2021, “Haba” had 9 sacks 12 TFL and 42 total stops starting 14 games. That breakout season is wedged between two where injuries sidelined him. He played in only four games in 2020 and 9 in 2022. He ended 2022 with two sacks. Boom or bust…
Robert Beal Jr.: Georgia: (6’4”/247) Small for an NFL edge, Beal Jr. ended 2022 with 3 sacks, and 26 total tackles on 411 snaps. His arms are 34 5/8” long and he ran a 4.48 forty with a 1.62 split. Beal led the 2021 National Champs with 6.5 sacks and 7.5 TFL and he only had two starts. His knock, the same as his former teammate, Packer Quay Walker; “lacks awareness as a run defender”
Brenton Cox Jr.: Florida: (6’4”/250) Cox Jr. played the edge in college and was on his way to a high draft pick until the bottom fell out. Cox was dismissed from the Florida team in November 2022 after throwing a punch in the Gator’s game against Georgia. He threw it after being horse-collared on a Bulldog TD run. Unfortunately, his coach said that was not the only reason Cox Jr. was dismissed. He was slow for his size posting a 4.82 forty but had a decent 1.65 split. Hs arms are 33 1/8’.
Yaya Diaby: Louisville: (6’3”/263) Diaby posted 4.51 forty with a 1.56 split. His greatest attribute is he finds the football. His high motor produced 9 sacks in 2022 in 12 games on 452 snaps. He totaled 37 tackles. The knicks on Diaby are his age (23) and his lack of previous production, as he only totaled 1.5 sacks in 2021. He is also limited in his technique rushing the passer.
Ikenna Enehukwu: Rice: (6’4”/264) Enechukwu uses his long (33 5/8”) arms as his best weapon as the highest rated defensive player on his college team. His combine 4.7 forty with a 1.66 split keep him in the conversation. Enechukwu posted 4.5 sacks, and 9.5 TFL. In 2022 he had 21` QB hurries and forced a fumble and recovered another in their bowl game. He was also a state wrestler in Missouri in high school.
His tape against USC does not show explosion or good awareness. His one sack was a hustle play when the USC QB decided to leave the pocket. Multiple times in USC’s zone read offense Enechukwu could not find the football leading to big gains. He looks more like a defensive end than an NFL Edge player.
Viliami Fehoko: San Jose State: (6’4”/276) Mr. Defense at San Jose State, Fehoko lined up all over the defense. His pass rushing moves are varied and effective. He was named Mountain West Defensive Player of the Year. Fehoko has 33-inch arms. He elected not to run at the combine. Reviewing tape against Auburn and UNLV, he seems to be an interior lineman only.
Isaiah Foskey: Notre Dame: (6’5”/264) Foskey, the all-time sack leader at Notre Dame, ran a 4.58 forty with a 1.66 split. Foskey had 11 sacks, 10 TFL and 23 tackles in 2022. He played a high caliber schedule against guys headed for the NFL and held his own. His 34-inch arms help his pass rush, but he doesn’t always use them effectively. He struggled at Ohio State, which is really a testament to the tackles at OSU, and can have trouble shedding blocks in the run game.
Ali Gaye: LSU: (6’6”/263) Gaye lined up inside and outside and his 34 ¼ inch arms are used effectively, but his ability to get overpowered by college lineman is concerning. He collected 2 sacks and 24 total tackles. He did not test at the combine.
Nick Hampton: Appalachian State: (6’2”/238) Hampton ran a 4.58 forty with a 1.66 split. Too small to effectively protect the edge in most NFL schemes, his 9 sacks against lower competition may not translate. He did have good arm length at 33 5/8”. His tape rushing the QB is impressive so he may be a developmental prospect.
Zach Harrison: Ohio State: (6’5 ½”/274) Harrison is talented but he is a defensive end, not and edge player. He has 36 ¼” arms. He did not test at the combine. His 3.5 sacks, 23 hurries and 34 total tackles have not met his potential. He talked a big game prior to the combine about how his numbers would impress, then decided to wait for his pro day. He plays defensive end and edge.
Jose Ramirez: Eastern Michigan: (6’2”/242) a 4.73 40 with a 1.63 split kept Ramirez in the conversation after the combine. Add his 10 sacks in 2022 and 35 tackles and you have a potentially small 4-3 LB that will struggle in coverage.
KJ Henry: Clemson: (6’4”/251) A 4.63 forty with a 1.65 split puts Henry in the Combine pack. Team captain and leader, he had 607 snaps for the Tigers in 2022, bagging 3.5 sacks, 51 tackles and a forced fumble. Henry needs to improve his hand usage and second moves to the QB. His pass coverage rating was poor, so coverage may be a weakness.
Dylan Horton: TCU: (6’4”/257) Horton did on field drills, vertical jump (34”) broad jump (10 Ft.) and bench (18). He did not run at the combine. Horton has shown a quick first step on film. His weakness is being overwhelmed in the run game. He has 33 18” arms that he needs to learn to use with more effectiveness.
Thomas Incoom: Central Michigan: (6’2”/262) His 4.66 forty and 1.65 split put Incoom right in the middle of the conversation. His arms are 33 ¼” but he has smaller hands. He played against Penn State and held his own. (5 tackles, 4 solo) He had 4 tackles, including a sack against #12 Oklahoma State. His total of 11.5 sacks stands out among his peers. I hope the Packers don’t draft a lineman from Buffalo this year because Incoom destroyed them, corralling 13 total tackles.
Calijah Kancey: Pittsburgh: (6’1”/281) The fastest lineman at the combine ran a 4.67 with a 1.64 split. Unfortunately, his arms are short (30 5/8”) He had 7.5 sacks, 14.5 TFL and let the Panthers with 31 stops. Finalist for both Nagurski and Outland trophies. Can he make the jump???
Isaiah Land: Florida A&M: (6’3 ½”/236) Land ran a 4.62 forty with a 1.65 split. He also had a 34.5 vertical jump. Land tallied 7 sacks in 8 games in 2022, also posting 24 tackles.
Will McDonald IV: Iowa State: (6’4”/239) A local Milwaukee product, McDonald chose not to run in Indy but did impress with a 36-inch vertical jump that showed the athleticism that made him an all-state high school product out of Waukesha North High. McDonald had 5 sacks in 2022 and 11.5 in 2021. He uses his 34 ½ inch arms effectively. Because of his size there are questions about his ability to stand up against the run in the NFL, but he has potential and tools to improve his strength and use of leverage.
Isaiah McGuire: Missouri: (6’4”/268) 4.76 forty with a 1.72 split. He also posted a 36.5 vertical. McGuire has flashes of great tape and then shows his gambling style that is described as “undisciplined”. These lapses and gambles can leave huge lanes in his gap responsibility. But he shows good burst and a hot motor to the QB. He tallied 7 sacks and 39 total tackles.
Mike Morris: Michigan: (6’5”/275) Morris lost money running a 4.95 forty at the combine with a 1.72 split. His other numbers did not make up the difference. His arms are 33 ½’. He has some good tape, especially against the run. He posted 7.5 sacks and 23 total tackles for Michigan in 2022.
Caleb Murphy: Ferris State: (6’3”/254) Murphy won the outstanding lineman of the year award based on his 40- that is no typo- 40 sacks in two seasons winning the Division II championship in 2022. His forty time, 4.89, and 1.65 split put him in the conversation but his play at the East-West Shrine game was not impressive against better competition. His arms are on the average side (32 5/8”) but his hands are big (10 ¼”) He will get drafted and be an interesting watch to see his progression.
Tavius Robinson: Mississippi: (6’6”/257) Robinson is long. Long frame, long arms (33 ¾”) complimented by an ability to bend that helps him rushing the QB. He ran a 4.66 forty with a 1.63 split. In 2022 he had 47 total tackles including 7 sacks and 5 forced fumbles and 3 TFL. He comes from a Canadian football family, his uncle winning to Grey Cups in the CFL. He played HS ball in Ontario so he is a cold weather kid. His main knock is a need to get stronger.
Nolan Smith: Georgia: (6’2”/238) Smith may be the biggest boom/bust in the draft. New level Fast (4.39 forty with 1.52 split) Arms are decent size (32 5/8”) Vertical jump of 41 inches. His 2021 season (56 tackles/9TFL/3.5 sacks/interception, 3 forced fumbles) reads like a top 15 pick. But is 2022 ended with a torn pectoral muscle. 2021 and 2022 were his only years starting. Can he stay healthy? Is he too small to handle the run as an NFL edge? He is so athletic he will go high.
Dante Stills: W.Virginia: (6’3”/285) Stills ran a 4.85 forty with a 1.72 split. His arms are average (32 3/8”) and his numbers in 2022 (4.5 sacks/26 tackles/2 forced fumbles) are down from his 2021 numbers where he had 39 tackles and 7 sacks. Stills could be an edge on run plays that slips inside on pass downs.
Tui Tuipulotu: USC: (6’3”/266) Tuipulotu was discussed on the defensive line draft review but he came into the combine trimmed down and wanting to appeal as an edge defender. He declined to run at Indy. He does possess scheme versatility and still has 13.5 sacks in his final season. His arms (32 ¼”) are a concern.
Keion White: Georgia Tech: (6’5”/285) White did not run at the combine but did put up 30 bench press reps @225 lbs. His weight, 34’ arms and 10 1/8” hands put him in the DE category more than an edge.
Colby Wooden: Auburn: (6’4”/273) Ran a 4.79 forty with a 1.68 split. He has 33 ¾” arms and big hands (10 3/8”) Racked up 45 tackles, 9 sacks, 11 TFL, with 3 forced fumbles in 2022. His film shows he is tough against the run and flashes as a pass rusher with strong arms and hands. Prototype size for the Packers edge position.
Bryon Young: Tennessee: (6’2”/250) Blew the combine away with a 4.43 forty that had a 1.62 split. He has medium size arms (32 ½) and is slightly short for the position. In 2022, Young collected 46 tackles and 5.5 sacks, 11.5 TFL, and an interception. Young is a Juco transfer with 2 years of SEC experience. A bit light for an NFL edge, his ability to produce will be scheme specific. He does have burst but is a bit of a long strider. He is also 24 years old, which will impact his draft status.
Now we will review all the linebackers invited to the NFL combine that have edge potential:
Yasir Abdullah: Louisville: (6’1”/237) Abdullah ran a 4.47 forty with a very quick 1.56 split. His arms are of average length (32 3/8”). In 2021, he had 61 total tackles, 10 sacks and 17.5 TFL. In 2022, he posted equal numbers (63 tackles, 9.5 sacks and 14.5 TFL. Add 2 interceptions and 4 pass break ups and you have quite a resume. His size says he fits best as a 4-3 outside linebacker, but his pass rush skills may tempt 3-4 teams. His ability to hold off tackles and double teams is his weak point.
Will Anderson: (6’3 ½”/253) Anderson may go top three and he still ran at the combine. (4.6 forty/1.61 split). His arms are long (33 7/8”) His 10 sacks, 51 tackles, 17 TFL and one interception brought home the Bednarik, Lombardi and Lott trophies. He is the guy you would want to trade up for in this draft.
Jeremy Banks: Tennessee: (6’1”/232) Banks is the kid I hope the Packer do not draft. Too small to play Edge, he numbers at the combine were good (4.53 forty/1.56 split/32” arms/25 reps on bench) He was kicked off the team in 2019 as a TMZ video came out accusing him of harassing a girl for months and another video showed him verbally abusing police during a traffic stop.
Andre Carter II: Army: (6’6 ½”/256) Prototypical length (arms are 33 3/8”) helped Carter bag 15.5 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 18.5 TFL, an interception & 44 tackles in 2021. He missed two games in 2022 and his numbers dropped to 3.5 sacks and 7 TFL. He only did 11 reps at 225 lbs. on the bench at the combine and did not run. He struggles in run defense; his hand usage and punch are weak but he has very good bend and has good spin and explosion. Against the Badgers in 2021, Carter had a strip sack and dropped into coverage well with good vision. He also was turned inside by a tight end block that led to a 30+ yard TD run for Wisconsin. Carter has tools but needs training.
Sirvocea Dennis: Pittsburgh: (6’1/2”/226) 49 tackles, 7 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 interception in 2022. Too small to set the edge. Did not run at combine and looks slow on film in pursuit.
Jalen Graham: Purdue: (6’2”/220) Ran 4.63 forty with 1.68 split. Long arms for size (33”) Too small for NFL edge. 4-3 LB only. Might be liability in coverage even at that position.
Derick Hall: Auburn: (6’3”/254) Long arms (34 ½”) Big hands (10”) ran a 4.55 forty with a 1.59 split. 2022 had 60 tackles, 7 sacks, 12 TFL, 2 forced fumbles and interception. He had 9 sacks is 2021. Team captain. Weakness is consistent run diagnosis and support. Needs to get stronger. But he can attack QB’s.
Nick Herbig: Wisconsin: (6’2”/240) A favorite Badger defender ran a 4.65 forty with a 1.59 split. 25 Bench reps @ 225 lbs. showed decent strength. Mr. TFL ended 2022 with 47 tackles, 15.5 TFL and 11 sacks. He had 14.5 TFL in 2021 and 6 in 2020. Herbig has short arms (31 ¼”) and struggles to hold an edge against lineman. He is also a big play specialist. OLB seems his best position fit.
Shaka Heyward: Duke: (6’3”/235) Heyward opened eyes at the combine with a 4.53 forty and 1.54 split. Long arms (34”) and 22 bench presses and impresses with his tackling and hitting. His weakness is reaction time and diagnosis. He struggled in coverage in college. He had an impressive 93 tackles in 2022 with 6 TFL and 2 sacks. Begs the question, did anyone else on Duke’s team make a tackle? More an OLB than an edge player. Heyward played MLB for the Deacons but has OLB potential.
D.J. Johnson: Oregon: (6’4”/260) Ran a 4.49 forty at 260 lbs. with a 1.59 split. Great hand usage on film. His power and speed do not translate to flexible movement. Not a good open field tackler. Mostly a power/bull rusher. 39 tackles, 8.5 TFL, 6 sacks in 2022. There is a video showing Johnson punching a rival fan in the back of the head while on the field after their loss to Oregon State. When LeGarrette Blount did that years ago, he went undrafted.
Andre Jones: Louisiana: (6’4 1/2/250) Jones pulled up with a hamstring strain at the combine. He has good size (arms 33 3/8’) and decent burst on film. 51 tackles, 8.5 TFL, 7.5 sacks in 2022. He played OLB and interior line in college. He did not display much bend or flexibility but is a decent tackler.
Eku Leota: Auburn: (6’3”/252) Leota has good run support skills and flexibility. Only played in 5 games in 2022 due to Pectoral injury that required surgery. Totaled 17 tackles, and 2 sacks. He had 23 tackles with seven sacks in 12 games in 2021. He did not run at the combine.
Ochaun Mathis: Nebraska: (6’5”/250) TCU transfer collected 48 tackles/3.5 sacks, and 5 TFL. Long arms (35 ¼”) huge hands (10 ¾) combine with decent speed (4.74 forty & 1.64 split) His numbers at TCU included 9 sacks in 2020 and 4 in 2021. Tools have not equated to numbers for the past two years, but strength and coaching could bring out his potential. He is 24 years old, another draft concern.
B.J. Ojulari: LSU: (6’2”/248) Short for Edge, his long arms (34 ¼”) compensate. In 11 of 13 games in 2022 he collected 58 tackles, 8.5 TFL, 5.5 sacks. Had 7 sacks and 55 tackles in 2021. First team SEC. Inconsistent with run defense. Some think his motor does not always run hot. Missed two games with knee injury in 2022.
Lonnie Phelps: Kansas: (6’2”/244) ran a 4.55 forty with a 1.62 split. Average arms (32 3/8”) and known for toughness and power explosion, but not strong with hands or arms. Offsides penalties are a problem. Can get run over if pads get high. Has good bend and is a good special team player.
Noah Taylor: North Carolina: (6’4”/238) Virginia transfer, Taylor has good height and average arms (32 5/8”) He did not run at the combine. Played in 8 games in 2022 with 28 tackles 6 TFL, 3.5 sacks. In 2021 for Virginia, he had 69 tackles, 8 TFL, 3 sacks. Lost games in 2022 due to knee injury. Surgery in October 2022.
Tyrus Wheat: Mississippi State: (6’2”/263) Ran 4.65 forty with 1.59 split. Average arms (32 7/8”) 3-year starter with good power and get off. Knock is slow to read and anticipate. Struggles to seal the edge. Needs hand placement improvement.
Expect the Packers to take one Edge position player high and one at the back of this year’s draft.
Another article…..
Don’t you guys ever rest?
I have said from the very beginning that edge rusher is the number one priority. You’ve got 4 QB’s, all with flaws of varying degrees that will get over drafted ahead of the 15th pick. So there should still be a blue chip prospect at 15. It seems unlikely Gutekunst would trade up. We’ll need a roster full of cheap labor in the coming seasons even without Rodgers on the roster. Still, if there’s someone he likes he’s shown he’s not afraid to trade up, I don’t see TE or WR at all at 15. LT would be another option in the first round if you think Zach Tom should play G or C. Not sure there’s a safety worthy of the 15th pick. I’d go edge, LT, or safety at 15.
Hell no, he’s not afraid to trade up.
Didn’t he trade up for Amari Rodgers, Oren Burks and Savage?
Who can forget about trading up for Franchise QB 3.0?
Read and learn Ragnar……
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robreischel/2022/11/17/brian-gutekunsts-shoddy-drafts-are-another-reason-the-green-bay-packers-are-struggling/?sh=7d3733c22fc1
Man, that article is spot on. Finally someone without blinders on.
Hey Kevin! It was you that told us Justin Fields was a bust and that Chicago was going to take a QB with the first overall pick. How is that possible now with the trade with Carolina? When the QB whisperer speaks, no one listens. After evaluating this years QB talent, Ryan Poles rightfully concluded there’s nothing there that’s better than Justin Fields. Let me explain how this works. Your draft strategy evolves as your roster ages. There comes a time when veteran players are no longer worth their salary and it’s time to move on. Think Rodgers, Cobb, Lewis this year. Bakhtiari, Smith, Crosby and others next year. You need cheap, viable NFL talent as replacements. You need bodies. I said it’s possible he could trade up, but for my money, it seems unlikely. Now, with an Aaron Rodgers trade that allows you some flexibility to be more aggressive. See the Davante Adams trade and moving up to get Christian Watson last year. With the pending Rodgers trade along with additional compensatory picks trading up seems more of a possibility but since your butt buddy is holding out for dramatic effect, I didn’t include what said compensation might look like. I understand this is all too complicated for you to follow. You best stick with your stats and over all records when embarrassing yourself.
Tom M 3 hours ago
Hey Kevin!
Want me to show you where you said those things?
No…i don’t have 100 years for you to “find them”
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But tell us again how Fields is a franchise QB and the Bears are on the rise.
Well, maybe the bears are on the rise like you said Tommi, they earned the 1st pick overall coming off a 3-14 record, beating out 31 other teams….lol
I reckon the only way they go is, up…..
“…on the rise” 😲 You kill me Princess, love your sense of humor!!
Good call Sweetheart 💋
Never lose….the magic!! 🤪
That’s a good article there. Thanks for the post.
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I don’t have a Total Packers wayback machine to go for proof but I can attest that I harped on the Oren Burks pick right from the very beginning. I was never comfortable with trading up from 101 (with a 145) to move to 88 for a guy who likely would have been there at 101. I know, water long under the bridge. But the point is, not only was Burks an unproductive pick at his draft position he was TWO lost picks. As the article rightly points out, the examples of failed and questionable picks were almost always two lost picks because of the moves. That adds up to a bunch of players who could have contributed and developed, if you’re drafting to develop.
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To be objective, maybe just maybe the 2022 draft was one that Gute got mostly right as far as finding contributions. It could be Gute’s best so far for what that’s worth. His bundle and move up was Watson and should Watson remain durable and uninjured good things should happen.
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Gute will be tempted to move around again. Seems to be his thing at least once in the draft. Let’s hope he moves out of the third. Somehow, someway, just don’t draft anyone in the third round. It’s a curse. I’m being somewhat sarcastic but it is backed up by draft results for the last dozen years.
Lets wait and see what happens with the 2022 draft picks before anointing it.
Watson had a handful of games where Rodgers helped make him an instant star in some Packer fans eyes. I’m not so easy, i’d like to see it all season, or most of the season anyway before i crown him. Right now, to many question marks.
Doubs also had a handful of games that was somewhat productive when Watson was either MIA, or hurt.
Yes i do like Watson’s potential (so far). But at this point, it’s potential.
As far as Walker and Wyatt. I have more faith in Wyatt.
As far as Quay Walker, my dog is smarter than him, but i’ll let PFF speak for his performance.
Random thoughts Rodgers/Jets
If….this Jets/Rodgers trade is to be taken seriously, how come…
A) All we hear is crickets, from anyone that matters.
B) Why hasn’t Rodgers visited the Jets yet? I mean….i can’t imagine Woody not inviting Rodgers over to check out the facilities, meet some people, sip some Scotch, perhaps some Balvenie or Glenfiddich from Woody’s private stock.
Woody has a private jet….would that be safe to assume?
Wouldn’t this makes sense, especially if Rodgers is the attention whore that one viking fan tells us he is, ad nauseam.
What say you Princess?
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ProFootballTalk
Aaron Rodgers is officially holding the Packers and Jets hostage (waa,waa,waa pay attention to me!! – Mike Florio
Lol…..
THAT”S IT!!
I’ve had it with Rodgers!!
Mike Florio is calling the FBI and having this man arrested!!
It’s about time someone had Rodgers arrested….right Tommi?
Taking two NFL teams (officially) hostage 🙄, who the fuck does this guy think he is?
40-50 years prison time coming up for you Mr. Rodgers
I’m sending you some anti slip soap.
Or….what can some blowhard “NFL expert” print so he can mention Rodgers name for clickbait.
How many jobs does Rodgers provide people? 100?, 1,000? 5,000?
Good ones PF4…
I can’t wait when Jordan Love gets traded to the Jets in 2038 !!
Freeze
@freezesports1
This throw by Jordan Love has went under the radar.
(i agree…..wowzer!!)
To hit one of the, if not THE fastest WR in the NFL right in the numbers, in stride, with pace and power is extraordinary.
(Unbelievable right? Almost like ummmm, a miracle?)
I think we are looking at a once-in-a-generation type QB here.
(You said it sister!! Once in a generation, suck it Tom Brady!!)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1633971967555502080
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Yes, that pass traveled 13 air yards right at the numbers!!
Who else has EVER done that?
I’ll tell ya who…NO ONE!!
Git-r-done!! lol 😉
Like a…….ummm, a once-in-a-generation type QB.
Just….WOW!!!!
Get ready Canton….he’s coming!!!!!
LMAO
I can’t stop being entertained by that 🤪
Not only did he prove to be a franchise QB in that game by completing 6 passes.
Apparently…One of those passes shows that he’s a “once in a generation talent!!”
I look at that pass completion to Watson that traveled 13 yards, and i’m just in awe…speechless.
Once in a generation talent?
How about…once in a lifetime talent?
Pack your shit Rodgers, there’s a new Sheriff in town.
ProFootballTalk
“Aaron Rodgers is officially holding the Packers and Jets hostage” – Mike Florio
I understand i’m not the brightest bulb in the room, so can anyone smarter than i am answer me this….
What is the difference between holding two NFL teams hostage, and “officially” holding them hostage?
Is it “official” if law enforcement becomes involved?
I wish i was smart enough to understand all this stuff, it’s confusing.
The silly season 😵
My guess is Aaron Rodgers has already agreed to the trade. It’s now a pissing contest between Murphy and the Jets to see who can say they came out on top when the trade is completed. The Jets lost leverage with Jimmy G. and Carr signing elsewhere. Then Murphy goes and opens his stupid mouth and says he wants Rodgers gone now so the Jets think they have leverage back. Just waiting to see who blinks first. Don’t underestimate the ability of the Packers front office to fuck everything up.
Hard to say Arch…..
I heard a snippet, that Rodgers hasn’t agreed to anything. Someone, somewhere, said he hasn’t decided what he actually wants yet.
But then again, that could have the same credibility as a Tom Moshier post.
I don’t care where Rodgers goes (if he goes anywhere) but the Jets would be fools to give up a 13th pick and pick up Rodgers 58 million for possibly one season, or even restructure it to spread out the cap hit.
But then again, we are talking about…the Jets.
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Actually, i don’t think it’s a good move on the Jets part, or on Rodgers part for that matter.
I think Rodgers has a better chance of going deep in the playoffs with a team and offense he already knows.
Plus he forged some rapport with Doubs and Watson last season.
I just don’t see where starting over with the Jets is a win for Rodgers.
The only real upside, from what i can see, is for the Packers…if the Packers get the 13th pick, and still keep the 15th pick, that’s a big win IMO. As a Packer fan, i’m good with that.
If that happened, the downside is Gute would still run the draft, or is it Murphy, not real sure on that.
I should clarify my comment. I think Rodgers has already decided he wants to play this year. He’s not retiring. The hold up for the trade might be what the terms of his contract would end up looking like with the Jets. Of course that’s a guess on my part. Nobody but Rodgers, the Packers and the Jets knows what really is happening. And once what ever happens happens we may never know the truth in regard to the outcome.
It’s unlikely that trade compensation is holding things up. The Packers wouldn’t have given the Jets permission to talk to Rodgers without at least some sort of framework for compensation in place. But rather how much of Rodgers entourage he’ll bring with him to New York. It’s being reported now the Jets are in talks with Allen Lazard, one of Rodgers boys. Randal Cobb is already on record as wanting to play next season. Does he and Lazard have to sign with the Jets to get Rodgers? What about Marcedes Lewis? Some of the Jets plays were talking about a “package deal” to get Rodgers. I suspect we’ve got multiple players involved here and that’s the hold up.
Just checking in… Been looking for something to do this weekend, How’s the sled riding hills at Disney North?
Expensive….
“Nobody gets a free ride at Lambeau. The children can hit their parents up for money, why should the kids in Green Bay get to sled free” – Murphy
There is entertainment and humor in almost every situation.
Life is good 😎
The latest is Rodgers wants the Jets to acquire Alan Lazard.
If i’m Rodgers and winning is my priority, i’m telling them to get Christian Watson.
Why request a role player, give me a difference maker. (if Watson turns out to be one).
But what do i know amirite?
Rodgers apparently isn’t done making demands yet……..😉
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@JamesKratch
Hearing the Jets are also in talks with Olaf Samuels, who is Aaron Rodgers’ favorite member of the Lambeau Field grounds crew. Another good sign.
Now wait a minute here Kevin. According to you we haven’t seen enough out of Christian Watson to really know if he’s good or not. That’s straight from the horse’s mouth. But you’ve seem more than enough to proclaim Jordan Love is a bust. Like the Packers are going to trade Christian Watson because that’s what Aaron Rodgers wants? And what alternate reality do you live in?
(if Watson turns out to be one).
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Princess, i don’t know why you insist on trying to convince people how stupid you are everyday.
Trust me….they know.
Expensive….
“Nobody gets a free ride at Lambeau. The children can hit their parents up for money, why should the kids in Green Bay get to sled free” – Murphy
Hey Kevin! This just in! Rodgers is refusing to go to the Jets unless Uncle Woody signs Allen Lazard, Randal Cobb, and gives Jordy Nelson 20 million next season! Who needs Garret Wilson? You know Jordy can still play! Just print those Super Bowl tickets now! The Packers have gone and done it. They’ve upset the lady! And she’s gonna make us pay for not wanting him! Right Kevin? Jets win the Super Bowl!
Is someone is off their meds again.
You’d think the good Lord would take you, and spare you the misery you must suffer everyday.
Wounded horses get more sympathy.
Apparently, God has a different plan for you.
God has a plan for you Kevin. You’re gonna go to New York and be little Erin’s massage therapist. Thereby saving the world from having to see Rodgers dick pics. We all know you’ll keep that shit to yourself and cherish them more than life itself…
Call the burn unit!!! lol
If Rodgers gets traded to the Jets, no one will be happier than most of us on this site.
It could mean that Killer/Tommi spends most of his time spewing his obsessive Rodgers hate over on some N. Y. Jets forums.
But then again, there are 24 hours in a day and he only sleeps 2 hours a day. eats 4 hours a day, rubs one out for 2 hours a day. Watches the neighbor boy through his window 2 hours a day. Not necessarily in that order.
So that gives him 14 hours of free time a day to terrorize everyone on the internet.
Yea….we’re still fucked
No way Rodgers gets traded! Why, Kevin and Cheese says it’s impossible! He has to stay and start because of money. There’s just no way to work around it. Right ladies?
Holy fuck are you stupid. I said IF Rodgers stays in GB he is going to be the starter because no team is going to be dumb enough to pay someone $50 million to sit the bench. I never said a trade was impossible. If Rodgers goes to NY it’s because he agreed to do so, not because Gutekunst is a hard ass. Get a life.
I just hope we throw in Christian Watson in the Aaron Rodgers trade. He’s a bust anyway. Don’t question Kevin. He knows. But who is Danny Etling gonna throw to next year? Kevin tells us Jordan Love is also a bust. I know! Let’s see if we can get Jordy Nelson out of retirement before the Jets do! He’s better than Christian Watson even at 40!
Jordan Love is NOT a bust!!
What, you didn’t see those 6 completions?
You can get NFL Ticket in Minnesota, that way you won’t miss any Packer games.
All you need is a credit card, and a job.
Well…..they do replay games on NFL Network, so you could always record them on VHS.
How exciting! The big reveal tomorrow on the Pat McAfee podcast! I don’t know how you girls will sleep tonight. Are you still telling each other he can’t leave because of his contract? I hate to disappoint you, but Uncle Woody has been on his knees bobbing for Erin’s apples. Needless to say he’s been busy, not to mention he’s got his mouth full. Why, he just signed Allen Lazard to a 3 year, 33 million dollar contract, 22 million guaranteed. That averages 11 million per season and is about what MVS got last year. And is also about what Jimmy Graham got when he signed with the Packers. In reality it’s a two year deal. I remember how Kevin just cried and moaned over the Jimmy Graham’s contract. How it was a cap buster, except of course it wasn’t. Now Uncle Woody just has to sign Randal Cobb and Marcedes Lewis and the band will be all back together! As for OBJ? Uncle Woody might have to put his foot down on that one. Either that or swallow hard. Who needs a GM when you’ve got Aaron Rodgers dictating who’s on your 53?
New Generation, Packer Bandwagon fans….REJOICE!!
No longer do you have to put up with the unbearable hell of having 30 years of HOF QB’s to bitch, cry and whine about.
This is the day you’ve been waiting for
No longer do you have to deal with QB’s who think they know something about NFL Football.
No longer do you have to put up with Diva personalities!!
No longer do you have to put up with a QB who thinks they actually know more than Mark Murphy about football operations.
No longer do you have to put up with a QB who puts up shitty seasons with passer rating in the 90’s. <—Loser
Those days are gone, get on your knee's and just thank Jesus!!
Are you 45 and younger and just plain sick and tired of what you've seen.
Are you a closet viking fan who suffers from mental illness, all the fault of one QB?
It's a new day in Green Bay!!
Maybe we can get things back to normal once again and enjoy good old fashioned football like some of us enjoyed in the 70's and 80's when our QB's were just good people who got along with their families.
Thank God we won't have to watch so many Packer games on Sunday and Monday night's, time we can spend with our families, because we talk to them.
Finally…we don't have to pay any attention to our QB's setting records, being regarded as some of the NFL's best in history, we don't have to debate our QB's with other QB's as a way to demean our own players.
We don't have to worry about our QB's stats, we all know….real men don't follow stats. Stat's are for the Ladies.
Finally…maybe the drafting will be more fruitful without some Diva QB getting into our GM's head, thus ruining the drafts.
I knew those bad picks from rounds 3-7 were not Gutes fault.
No longer do we need to worry about getting to a Super Bowl, or winning a NFCCG, or even getting into the playoffs.
We didn't worry about those things in the 70's and 80's and we were happy!!
Yes…celebrate with me, Raise a glass of kool aid for simpler times ahead, when winning isn't so important and we can all just get along without having to take medications to deal with our anger and obsession over players.
The days of hell are over, lets all just be happy the stadium's full, the team's making money, and the front office management is enjoying their fat paychecks….they've earned them.
No longer do we ever have to stress out with anger and rage finishing a season under .500.
Now we can do it and it's no big thing and everyone's happy because there is no drama.
Maybe we need more QB's without ego's and drama….i harken back to simpler, happier times when Randy Wright was under center, we need more David Whitehurst, Jon Hadl's, Scott Hunter's.
QB's that didn't bring any drama, when team success and stats didn't matter.
Lets mark this occasion by changing the Packer by-laws to what they were before Ron Wolf came along.
OOPs…Murphy already did that…nevermind.
IT"S A GLORIOUS NEW DAY FOR PACKER FANS!!
From….down the hall
This article tells us…that Jordan Love made a huge step this last season.
Excuse me, but what is this based off of?
His 6 completions against the vikings in the 4th quarter down by 14 playing 3 min. 13 seconds?
Other than that, what did he do?
I’m just sayin lol, praise Clemonts for that, crown Jordan Love. Tell yourself Love is the next coming, enjoy yourself.
I prefer to see it happen in front of my eyes, i’m strange that way.
I know…i know…MLF and Gute say he looks so much more comfortable in practice and running practice when Rodgers needs the rest.
BUT…..since when is that the judgement on a player? In a no contact practice?
Yea, i prefer to see him in real games, against a real pass rush.
Not a practice where Love knows what the defense is doing and knows he can’t get hit.
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Everyone knows i’m a Rodgers fan, but that doesn’t recuse him from criticism.
So i ask myself….why does Rodgers want Lewis and Cobb to come with him?
Is it to win? I could respect that then.
But if you have a team full of Cobb’s and Lewis, you’re not winning anything.
Or is he bringing them only because he’s comfortable, transitioning with them to a new team, and because he’s friends with them.
If it was to win….fine.
But lets be real, it’s for his own satisfaction. But Woody Johnson doesn’t have the backbone to say no.
It’s the Jets, being the Jets.
I think it was a bush league move on Rodgers part, and the optics are horrible.
Lazard is somewhat legit, especially after the Packers emptied out the receiver room and Rodgers had to rely on rookie receivers to be productive.
Not exactly the sign of a draft and develop team.
I’ve said this the last handful of years…if you have to rely on a rookie draft class to be productive, you may have already lost.
From….down the hall
Ok..lol
Lets put the brakes on a bit….lol
Before we start mentioning Love as a franchise QB, or (gulp) a HOF QB, can we……
A) Wait until he has a passer rating over 80?
B) IDK…maybe win his first game?
C) Maybe throw more career TD passes than interceptions?
D) Maybe have more than 650 yards in career passing yards?
E) Have more than 1 start?
F) All of the above.
After all that bullshit Kevin, you sure don’t sounds like a guy happy about this trade. It was just yesterday when you said you speak for all of us, then stated that you’ll be glad when Rodgers gone. So which is it? Now pay attention Kevin, I’m about to give you a history lesson. In the 1960’s the Green Bay Packers experienced unprecedented success. In the 1970’s and 1980’s they did not. The question you have to ask is, why? The answer is painfully obvious. The Packers tried to live in the past, the glory years of the 1960’s. They did this by first naming the unqualified Bart Starr HC and GM for seven years! Not learning from that disastrous mistake, they then made Forrest Greg HC. That would be the modern day equivalent of making Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers HC and GM and then followed it by naming Chad Clifton or Josh Sitton HC for about a 12 year span. What could possible go wrong? It wasn’t until management broke free from the past that things ever got better. It’s no different now Kevin. Like Brett Favre before him, the Aaron Rodgers era has run its course. It’s time to move on from the past and look for the future. That can be scary for some but nevertheless it needs to happen. Is Jordan Love the answer? It’s impossible to know. But he sure looks better than Scott Hunter or Randy Wright if you’re old enough to know who they are.
Tom M 51 mins ago
After all that bullshit Kevin, you sure don’t sounds like a guy happy about this trade.
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And you don’t sounds like a guy made it past the 8th grade Princess.
Oh Boy!…Killer/Tommi is going to give PF4L a GBP history lesson 🙄
BRB Scooter, let me go get my notebook and pen. 😏
So entertaining 😁
Tom M 58 mins ago
After all that bullshit Kevin, you sure don’t sounds like a guy happy about this trade.
It’s Wed the 15th 1:05pm
Is the trade done Gomer?
What did the Packers get?
You don’t think i sounds happy about the trade?
How can i be happy, or not happy about it?
What do you know that the rest of us don’t?
There is no trade as of right now lettuce head.
Aaron Rodgers is a Green Bay Packer right now.
ProFootballTalk
“Aaron Rodgers is officially holding the Packers and Jets hostage” – Mike Florio
No, the Packers and Jets are still negotiating.
So much bull shit to decipher
As if Tommi doesn’t give us enough.
Well,…..
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It sure enough might be time for a new article. Somewhat surprised one wasn’t ready to go in the hopper.
Cut em some slack, this article isn’t even two weeks old yet 😯
He’s gone Kevin. Come to terms with it. Rodgers has. Go be a Jets fanboy if you must but no one in New York gives a rats ass what Rodgers did in Green Bay. And they’ll be in no mood for excuses if this doesn’t work. Rodgers got a new team and the players he wanted. He better win a SB. Not even you think that will ever happen.
You sounds like a persons whose got it all figured out.
Well, the main page says that there are 44 comments on this article but no matter what brower or device I use it only shows 36 of them…. Spectacular!
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One thing I learned today is that the level of cowardice and incompetence shown by this front office never ceases to amaze me.
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Thanks for all the years Aaron. It’s been a pleasure to watch you play. It’s truly the end of an era.
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Let’s hope Jordan Love turns out to be something special.
The main page also tells us……
If someone only read the title of the articles, they wouldn’t even know there is any trade brewing, or that Rodgers is even leaving.
Shout out to Monty!!…..Grab $200 and a bag of chips, and buy back this site 😏
That brought me back to where Tommi….oops, i meant killer….
thought i was Monty, Mordecai, and PF4L 😲
So smart 🥱