The Packers 2022 season is over. Plans were put in place to go all in for a championship, another Super Bowl trophy. Many decisions went into the preseason moves of the Packers. The 2021 Packers had outplayed the 49ers at Lambeau Field only to have those offensive and defensive accomplishments shuttered by special team failures that cost the team the victory. Their defense had improved and could create steady pressure on opposing quarterbacks even though their best pass rusher, LaDarius Smith was hurt most of the season. The team seemed poised to compete for a championship, but the preseason moves and injuries in 2022 took their toll and contributed to the overall failure.
The Signing of Aaron Rodgers and the Offensive Line
The MVP quarterback was thrown more money than any other player in the history of the NFL. That move cost the Packers, but it wasn’t the move that ultimately derailed the Packers. This move was the biggest risk/reward for Gutekunst. Not only because of the age of Rodgers but also the high price tag. Signing Rodgers contributed to the release of Billy Turner and Lucas Patrick. Gutekunst thought he had able replacements in Royce Newman and Jon Runyan. He was fifty percent right, Runyan was a steady player, but Newman regressed instead of making a jump.
Bakhtiari’s prolonged injury, the failure of Royce Newman and Jake Hanson to make next year jumps combined with up and down performances from Josh Meyers and Elgton Jenkins made life rough for Rogers and the running backs early in the season. Jon Runyan has been the most reliable lineman. He took over at left guard early, then was switched to right guard during the season having never played the position and has held his own. His jump in play has not been matched by Josh Meyers. Meyers has a PFF grade of 61 for his combined pass and run blocking. At the bye week Meyers has given up three sacks. Jenkins, coming back from major knee surgery, started slow playing tackle, but has improved at left guard as the season has progressed.
While the receivers and Rodgers have taken much of the blame for the offensive woes of 2022, the real key to success or failure has been the struggles of the offensive line. What was an offensive line unit bordering on elite in 2021 has come crashing down to earth and played with mediocrity in 2022. Gone are the days when Rodgers has all day in the pocket to ad lib heroic magic. Until the last game in Chicago, the pressure has been persistent and the offense and Rodgers have both felt the impact. Add to that Rodgers decreased mobility due to age and a receiver corps that is old and slow or still learning the NFL game and you have a recipe for a poor passing offense.
That and the injuries to Bakhtiari and Jenkins took the offensive line back to a liability. Yosh Nijman battled but was injured. Zach Tom is small for an NFL tackle and inexperienced. For 2022, the line could not consistently keep Rodgers clean or open holes for the running backs. Against Detroit the Packers vaunted running game averaged 3.7 yards a carry. They could not run in the red zone. Three rushing attempts gained two yards.
The Loss of Davante Adams
In 2021 Davante Adams asked for top wide receiver money. Gutekunst refused his asking price knowing he was under contract for another year. Adams saw the move as a sign of disrespect and he had a plan- B. Adams chose to force a trade with the Raiders. Adam’s master plan to move to a Super Bowl contending team with what he described as a “hall of fame” worthy quarterback ended in a failure that makes the Packer season look hope filled. His dearest friend, Derek Carr, was demoted and “took time away from the team so as not to be a distraction”. Carr is in all likelihood done with the Raiders. The Raiders had Adams, Darren Waller at tight end and Hunter Renfrow on the other side. Even with a trio that outclasses the Packers at each position, they put up 25 more points than the Packers and had just over 300 more yards of offense, the Raiders lost more games after leading in the first half than any other team in the league. Fourteen interceptions by Carr in 15 games, twenty seven sacks, and a fumble contributed but so did poor defensive execution. Carr’s year end QBR was 86.3.
Adams’ decision did not work out well for the Packers either. Green Bay received two high draft picks for Adam’s but the drafting of three rookie receivers and the reliance on Allen Lazard, Randall Cobb, and Sammy Watkins failed spectacularly. Watkins was actually straight up released before the crucial game with Detroit. Lazard is a solid #3 receiver and Cobb is old and slow and missed multiple games to injury.
The passing game was under construction during training camp. Rogers, though he was paid handsomely and knew his targets included three rookies, stayed away from OTA’s, allowing Love to run the team. The preseason also had Rodgers on the sidelines even though the year prior had proven disastrous for the Packer offense in their first game with the Saints. The preseason decision is on LaFleur. The signing decisions on LaFleur and Gutekunst. The OTA decision in on Rodgers. This move by Adams caught Gutekunst off guard. He could not recover by signing another big money receiver and sign Rodgers so he drafted rookies and the team paid a price that arguably kept them out of the playoffs.
The Smith Brothers Decisions
Gutekunst decided early that he would not resign Za’Darius Smith. Smith spent nearly the entire 2021 season on the sideline recovering from a back injury. Gutekunst made the calculated decision to let him walk. Smith signed a three year deal with the rival Vikings on what turned out to be a cap friendly (approx 3.35 million 2022 cap hit) and has 9.5 sacks in 14 games. Gutekunst was correct that he had an elite replacement for Smith in Rashan Gary and he smartly drafted a late round backup in Kingsley Enagbare. Unfortunately, the season ending injury to Gary impacted the Packer pass rush and highlighted the loss of Za’Darius Smith.
Gutekunst signed Preston Smith to a cap friendly deal instead of Za’Darius. Clearly, Gutekunst is not responsible for injuries and many teams have had playoff hopes derailed by injuries. But the end of the Packer- Z. Smith relationship seemed to sour before the end of the season. Smith said he signed with the Vikings because he felt disrespected by the Packers. LaFleur responded saying that Smith’s comments about the lack of communication by Packers coaches and front office to get back on the field where not what he remembered.
In the end, the Packer front office did not communicate to Smith that they were interested in retaining his services. Gutekunst made a decision to pay the outside linebacker with a history of reliability and jettison the one who was still recovering from back surgery. You can’t argue with that logic. But in one year Gutekunst and the coaching staff was able to alienate two of their All-Pro caliber players. Adams and La’Darius Smith. That should never happen. Period.
Resigning the Defense
Gutekunst took the rest of his remaining cap money and spent it on defensive players he thought would allow the Packer defense to be an elite unit. De’Vondre Campbell, Jaire Alexander, and Rasul Douglass had all played at an elite level in 2020 or 2021. They did not come cheap. Gutekunst then spent a small amount on a defensive line addition in Jarran Reed. As plans go, Gutekunst was given praise for his defensive priorities during the spring and summer. The defense had played well under first year defensive coordinator Joe Barry in 2021 and the players he resigned created optimism that the second year in the new defensive system would put elite results on film in 2022.
Gutekunst had prepared for this eventuality by drafting multiple offensive lineman in previous years. The plan on offense was to build the game plan around the best running tandem in the NFL and Adams, Lazard, Randall Cobb and Robert Tonyan as the key pass catchers. To do this they needed contributions on the offensive line from All-Pro David Bakhtiari and Elgton Jenkins and improvement from young starters Josh Meyers, Jon Runyan and Royce Newman. As described above, another failed set of moves.
De’Vondre Campbell’s play regressed in part due to injury. Rookie Quay Walker could not fill his shoes. The Packers allowed 5 yards a carry. To put that into perspective, the 49ers allowed 3.4 yards per carry. Add on defensive penalties, botched assignments in the passing game, a plethora of missed tackles and a lack of turnovers made a good defense on paper a paper tiger. Gutekunst’s plan looked solid but the zone defense scheme of Joe Barry did not defend crossing patterns and allowed teams to focus on the weaknesses of Quay Walker and Darnell Savage.
Free Agency
With limited cash on hand Gutekunst signed Sammy Watkins who was cut in December. His defensive signing was Jarran Reed. Reed played plenty of snaps and earned his paycheck. Fifty two combined tackles and 2.5 sacks and one forced fumble should earn him a bonus. He was no savior, but that was never his role.
2022 Draft
Before we review the draft let’s review experts draft statistics that realistically look at how many players actually succeed in any given draft. One percent of all players drafted become All-Pro. Only seven percent of all players play well enough to earn a second contract. Less than thirteen percent start for multiple years for the team that drafted them. Fifty percent of first round picks fail to sustain a starting position for a full year. The numbers get worse as the rounds go on. So complaining about a third round pick that fails to start is not a reason to fire a GM. Ron Wolf defined a successful draft as three quality starters. From that premise, we review this draft.
In the 2022 draft Gutekunst had eleven picks in the draft, heavily weighted at the beginning and end of the draft. Four picks in rounds one and two were an unprecedented gold mine of options for the Packers. After losing arguably the best receiver in football the need for a dynamic pass catcher seemed obvious.
Receivers: Gutekunst had to hit on a receiver and most predicted a first round pick. Gutekunst sent many fans into a frosted frenzy when he waited until day two to pick Christian Watson. The kid had played in the second division of college football in a run focused offense. He came to camp injured and missed big chunks of practice time. His first drop on the first play of the game against Minnesota in the opening game led to a meltdown that foretold the first half troubles of this Packer team. After game 13, he looked like a potential draft steal. But Gutekunst was not done looking for wide receivers. In round four he drafted Romeo Doubs and in round seven, Samori Toure.
In 2018, Gutekunst also went for three wideouts but he was not rewarded. Of the three in 2018 only Marquez Valdez-Scantling had decent numbers but Gutekunst deemed him and Equanimeous St. Brown expendable. While Doubs lost time to injury and Toure has had limited targets, all three seem to have the potential to improve the Packer receiving corps. Toure, a seventh round pick, has 5 catches for 82 yards and one touchdown. All totaled, the three rookies had combined for 11 touchdowns in the first 13 games. They have been pressed into duty due to injuries and Watkins failure. Doubs looked to be busting into stardom but came down to earth against Detroit dropping two critical passes. At the bye week break, all the rest of the 21 rookie receivers in the NFL have 22 total touchdowns. If you were going to nitpick on the Watson pick, it would be giving up too much to draft him. By giving away two second round draft picks Gutekunst gave up big draft capital for Watson. If he had drafted him in the first round, leaving the 24 year old Wyatt on the board, he would have had two second round picks.
First Round Picks: While focusing on defense was a good plan for the Packers, the picks by Gutekunst could haunt the Packers for years to come. Quay Walker was picked at 22. Devin Lloyd, the Utah linebacker and Butkus award finalist was still on the board. While both their careers are just beginning, Lloyd’s 115 tackles, 3 interceptions, 2 fumble recoveries, 2 quarterback hits and 8 passes defensed have impressed the NFL. Walker has been a weak link on a defense that has failed to stop the run and the pass. Walker’s also made crucial penalties, the last leading to his second ejection in 17 games. His attempt to shadow the QB in Philadelphia was a disaster. Most opponents running plays run at his gap.
The second first round pick was 24 year old Devonte Wyatt. Wyatt has been slow to get on the field. He was a backup and only saw real snaps when Dean Lowry was injured. In the last two games he showed real potential. For a first round pick at age 24, he has not shown the abilities of former 1st round pick Kenny Clark who was 20 went he put on the Green and Gold uniform as a rookie. If you look at other defenders picked around Wyatt, George Karlaftis and Logan Hall have both struggled, although Karlaftis had 6 sacks. To really know if these two picks will succeed, both players will need to have big jumps in 2023.
Third Round: Sean Rhyan. All signs are Rhyan is the biggest draft bust in years. Even with performance enhancing drugs he could not make the 53 man roster. Ends his rookie year suspended. Just sickening.
Rounds 4-5: After picking Doubs, Gutekunst drafted OT Zach Tom and OLB Kingsley Enagbare. Enagbare is now starting due to the injury to Rashan Gary and Tom has started at tackle and guard. The development of these two players may have a lot to do with the success or failure of the Packers in the future. If Gutekunst could find a dependable tackle in the 5th round he will have sealed the success of this draft class. Enagbare is a work in progress. When he is pared up with Walker on the same side opponents are running at them with success. Enagbare had three sacks and has potential as an edge setter. Tom started games with only a few minutes notice and held his own. All signs point upward for the young tackle.
Round 7: While Toure has found success in limited opportunities, Carpenter, Ford and Walker are still developmental players. If any of these players can become a quality starter the draft success could rise to greatness. But 2023 and perhaps 2024 will be needed to judge these three.
The 2022 Packer draft has all the potential necessary for greatness. It is the most optimistic piece of this 2022 Packer puzzle. Outside this draft Gutekunst seems committed to extending Jordan Love. That decision, and the next decision with Rodgers, will truly be the determining factors in what will ultimately be Gutekunst’s legacy. But neither Love nor Rodgers can win alone. A quality offensive line and offensive weapons will be needed. Both have future potential thanks to Gutekunst’s recent picks. The defense is still a puzzle. Finding linebackers and defensive backs that don’t miss tackles or assignments and another Kenny Clark on the defensive line are all necessary for this team to truly shine. Can Gutekunst pull it off? Only time will answer that question.
“This move by Adams caught Gutekunst off guard”
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Here’s the problem with that.
If Gute didn’t think losing Adams after the 2021 season was a real possibility, he probably shouldn’t be the General Manager.
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Before the last draft, Gute has failed to obtain receiving talent dating back to 2018.
That’s on him.
Signing Funchess, and later Sammy Watkins was nothing more than failed gesture’s.
He likes those cheap band aid signings, maybe because he got fleeced signing Jimmy Graham. His 2nd move, as GM.
The drafting of wide receivers and tight ends before 2022 by Gute has been horrible.
Doubs and Watson showed enough flashes to instill some confidence for the future, but it’s still a work in progress.
Watson seems to have a higher ceiling as a playmaker.
Hopefully Doubs is a go to guy to move the chains much like Lazard is now, but you get the feeling Doubs can be a lot more productive than Lazard.
They both need to develop consistency and injuries seemed to be a factor.
They also offer hope as both players flashed during various parts of the season, which is all that can be asked.
They did just fine, while having too much weight put on their shoulders as rookies.
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Why Tonyan isn’t involved in the game plan more is puzzling, this dude just catches everything.
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Bottom line….
If you let your receiver room get depleted almost next to nothing, and you have to draft rookies for must have production.
You fell asleep at the job, period.
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Im sticking with my guess that Rodgers comes back for 1 year, and the Packers give Love his 20 million 5th year option.
No, Love won’t be demanding a trade Mr. Wilde. You goofy f…
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People talk about trading Rodgers…i predict that’s bs.
Besides the contract restrictions.
Rodgers has always been consistent with saying he only wanted to play for one team and i believe him.
At 39, why in the world would he want to go someplace new and start from scratch.
That doesn’t make much sense when he’s guaranteed 59 million.
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Rodgers lost one of his greatest assets, his legs. He’s not 29 anymore.
Most of his eye popping, fall out of your seat miracle plays happened when he left the pocket, he doesn’t have that skillset anymore, he can’t out run defenders like he used to.
That was a huge part of his game.
Most defenses concentrated on trying to keep him in the pocket, for good reason.
IMHO This is dead on PF4L. Thanks for the additions
The biggest mistake Brian Gutekunst made was signing Aaron Rodgers to a contract extension and not trading him while he still could. We should have rolled with Jordan Love this year. And if he had the chance to do it over, Gutekunst would have made the trade to Denver. Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams are the poster boys on why stats don’t make you a champion. If we don’t trade Adams then we don’t get Christian Watson who I say will be a star in the NFL while Davante Adams flounders in his remaining years as a Raider. As far as ZaDarius Smith vs Preston Smith on who to keep. You keep the one who DIDN’T have back surgery and DIDN’T miss almost all of 2021. That’s a no brainer. While ZaDarius had a nice year, he was hardly the difference maker on a putrid Vikings defense. The biggest problem with the Packers defense was losing Rashan Gary to a season ending ACL. Gary was a star in the making before the injury. As far as the OL, everyone knew it was going to take time to work itself out due to injury. By the end of the season the OL was a strength. Yes, Jake Hanson and Royce Newman started the the season in the starting lineup. But the Packers also started the season 3-1 so I’m not buying that excuse. Aaron Rodgers was distant and aloof with his rookie WR’s refusing to work with them in the offseason and quick to throw them under the bus when they made rookie mistakes. That’s hardly leadership qualities for a guy you’re paying 50 million a season. This team’s problems, at least 80 percent of them, can be attributed to poor QB play. The question then becomes who do you go with at QB going forward? Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love? Jordan Love is the obvious answer. While I understand Gutekunst’s decision to give Rodgers the big contract, back to back MVP’s, and winning 39 games in 3 years, I’ll be less forgiving if he sticks with a 39 year old QB In obvious decline for next season. While Jordan Love cannot demand a trade, he can refuse to sign a contract extension when the time comes. It’s in the Packers best interest to keep him happy. At some point he has to play. The time is now.
You must not have watched the Lions game. In no way shape or form was the OL a strength. In fact, I think a lot of the problems on offense could be placed on the OL’s performance throughout the season.
Then let’s see Arch what Jordan Love can do with this OL. It wasn’t the OL’s fault Rodgers threw for only 200 yards again with a pick. And the Lions should have had two more INT’s. There’s two ways you can approach this. You can chase your tail trying to make this team perfect for Aaron Rodgers which we’ve done for over a decade and the results speak for itself. Or you give the keys to Jordan Love to see what he can do. I say with this roster as is, Love could win 9 games and make the playoffs. You draft an edge rusher with your 15th pick, the a safety and TE and your back in business. The alternative is we go with Rodgers and next year at this time we’re back to blaming the OL or whatever else is convenient.
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This isn’t about Jordan Love.
Gute, your hero, saw to that with his “strategic planning”
As far as Gute’s concerned, Love’s place is where it’s always been, on the sideline.
As Gute said, he doesn’t need to see any more of Love to know what he has in him.
He also said he will play whoever gives the Packers the best chance to win.
That alone should answer any concerns you have about Love’s lack of playing time.
Probably why Rodgers got the contract he did 11 months ago.
But who knows, you may know more than Gutekunst, or you psychic does, or the manager of your Trailer Park does, or wherever you get your football knowledge.
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“You can chase your tail trying to make this team perfect for Aaron Rodgers which we’ve done for over a decade” – Barney
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LOL….YES!…because that’s what Packers management has done the last decade, made this team perfect for Rodgers…lol
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Do you hear yourself Little Man?
Do you not laugh when writing your own comments?
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I wonder a bit, why Tommi stopped being a viking fan a couple years ago.
Then i wonder, could it be possible that the vikings paid Tommi off, to NOT be a viking fan?
I can remember when i (jokingly) invited killer to be a Packer fan a few years back.
My apologies to Packer Nation, i done fucked up.
It kind of is the OL lines fault Tom if they can’t block the guy in front of them resulting in the QB scrambling for his life and has no time to find an open receiver to throw the ball to. This scenario often leads to sacks, errant passes that are intercepted and resulting in less than 200 yards passing in a game. I’m sure you can figure that out assuming you are the knowledgeable football fan you project yourself to be.
We don’t now if Jordan Love can do better with this OL because the management and coaching staff have already decided he can’t. How else do you explain signing Rodgers to his current contract extension. Maybe that’s coaching and management incompetence. We won’t know that until Love gets extensive playing time to prove it. Who knows when, if ever, that will happen.
The bottom line is if Rodgers is going to be your starting QB the rest of the offense needs to be tailored to his strengths. Since he doesn’t appear to be able to scramble out of trouble and create a miracle play like he did in his prime that needs to be taken into consideration when building your team and designing your plays. Otherwise your $150 mil investment is going to make you look really stupid.
I know it is hard for Aaron Rodgers haters to open their eyes and see what is really wrong with this team. The smart move would have been to move on from him when they could have gotten a haul of draft picks for him. It appears that’s what management wanted to do when they used a first and fourth round pick to draft Love. Some where something went wrong. That’s on management and coaching. There is a reason why you don’t use valuable draft capital to get a player that is going to sit on the bench for four or five years. Then you compound that mistake by signing the guy he is supposed to replace to a expensive contract extension that is going to be very difficult to get out of.
As PF4L would say – “BROKEN”.
Without the luxury of all 22 and a nearly week old memory of the game…it looked like the packers were only single blocking Hutchinson without any TE help on the plays where he blew things up. I dont think it was an offensive line issue so much as a Hutchinson being a force and coachs failing to account for that. We have a player with Nick Bosa potential to look forward to for the next decade.
Was Denver even considering trading with the Packers? I can’t remember if there were legitimate rumors back then. Apparently, the 49ers wanted Rodgers in 2021, but that’s in the past now. I’m not so sure the comparisons between Wilson and Rodgers are even that valid. It’s true that there are some similarities. However, Wilson himself actually wanted out of Seattle, while Rodgers was unhappy with “some” aspects of the Packers organization, but I don’t think Rodgers was as unhappy with the Packers as Wilson was with Seattle. Otherwise, Rodgers would’ve been traded. Not to mention, Schneider isn’t Gutenkunst and has a history of making big trades. Gutenkunst has never made a big trade in his career. I think because he is risk averse like Thompson and the Packers organization are as a whole. Sure, the Packers spent huge money on some free agents but they have a level of control over that. And it wouldn’t have been as easy to trade Rodgers as it was Favre in 2008 because Favre acted foolish by “retiring” and then demanding his job back after the Packers already planned moving ahead with Rodgers as the starter. The Packers were totally reasonable to trade Favre in 2008. In 2021, Rodgers is still the clear cut starter and Gutenkunst would’ve looked bad by trading Rodgers away. Not to mention, it isn’t clear whether or not the Packers would’ve received the same type of compensation that Seattle received.
Also, Adams broke Tim Brown’s 25 year long receiving yards record in his first year with the Raiders at 1500 yards. He also caught 14 touchdowns. That’s hardly floundering. It doesn’t mean that the Packers shouldn’t have traded him (because he wanted to leave anyway), but we don’t have to pretend like he’s washed up when he isn’t.
As far as Jordan Love goes, I think Rodgers will start for 2023 whether or not that is good or bad. It is likely some background drama ensues as Love most likely doesn’t want to sit for a 4th season. I don’t feel bad for anyone involved though. This organization can’t get its act together or make a coherent strategy if their lives depended on it. If they play Love that means Rodgers was probably traded or retired, both of which involve big dead cap hits for 2023. So the packers will most likely rollback almost the same team minus Amos, Aaron Jones, and maybe some other guys. And the result is likely another 8 win season.
If this team wanted to get serious about improvement, they would remove Joe Barry at minimum and conduct a nationwide manhunt for a defensive coordinator. They got it right with Bisaccia so maybe they learned now how a real coach can improve the team instead of relying on in-house promotions. Even better would be moving on from Murphy but that can’t happen as murphy is coasting until retirement age.
“Apparently Gutekunst made a mistake and signed Rodgers to a contract extension.”
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Gee Goober…no shit?
You just picked up on this Scooter?
Or is that just another thing you’ve learned from reading my post?
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“Another mistake was not trading Rodgers when they could to Denver.”
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The mistake was not trading him in 2020, or 2021 to San Fran.
As i’ve written about since Love got drafted.
Love gets drafted, Rodgers says trade me.
The Packers could have yielded a Kings ransom of draft capital, in the best interest of the Green Bay Packers trading Rodgers per his request.
But Gute didn’t have the balls.
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If that trade happened, it gave the Packers 3 instant benefits.
1) Instant Cap relief
2) Instant starting position for Love under a cheap rookie contract..Most 1st round QB’s start their rookie season these days.
3) Major draft capital…MAJOR
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Besides those 3 reasons, it was the right time because Rodgers opened that door and said trade me.
A clean public relations break….requested by Rodgers.
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I don’t know what blunder was bigger….
The way this Jordan Love situation was mismanaged.
Or not trading Rodgers and reaping the benefits back when.
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Which i’ve been saying for years.
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Then Gute…gets rewarded with an extension, lol.
Only in Green Bay under Mark Murphy 🙄
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I guess Murphy wants to see Gute carry out his Jordan Love fiasco.
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My prediction, when Murphy is forced to retire in 2025, the new Presidents 1st order of business will be replacing Gute.
That’s if the new President isn’t someone hired from the Executive Committee or the BOD’s.
Because Murphy will most likely hire his replacement, his last failing act as President of the Packers.
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Enjoy what you fans had the last 30 years…it may take awhile and then some, to get back to that level.
Kevin, don’t act like you wanted your boyfriend traded because you didn’t. You and your fanboys wanted to keep Rodgers until the bitter end. Congratulations, that’s what you got and we got another year of disappointment and finger pointing. What a surprise. While I’ve been saying trade this guy the minute he started grandstanding the day of the 2021 draft wanting out. Come to find out, he never wanted to leave. He just wanted to throw a tantrum because his feelings got hurt over Gutekunst drafted Jordan Love the year before. Real professional. Like a parent gives their child every opportunity to succeed, so Brian Gutekunst gave Aaron Rodgers every opportunity to go out on top. So naturally in your eyes it’s all Gutekunst’s fault. Spending money and draft capital to make it happen. It’s not Brian Gutekunst’s fault Rodgers didn’t go out on top. It’s Aaron Rodgers fault. He’s lost more playoff games than any other Packer QB which spans two GM’s and two HC’s. Rodgers fell so far off the cliff this year he couldn’t beat the Lions to make the playoffs. The great Aaron Rodgers myth is he was just one WR away, he just need another TE, one more on the OL, one more shut down corner, to be Tom Brady. And it was Brian Gutekunst that held Rodgers back. Sure.
I don’t have to “act”. Never have.
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If you doubt me short bus, go back and look it up.
I’ve been saying it here for years and most people here know it.
Because they’ve read it
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Tommi….do you ever get sick and tired, of being sick and tired?
What are the odds Barry is retained, and LaFleur hires his brother Mike in some capacity now that he is gone from the Jets?
While I think that the 2022 draft is an improvement compared to past Gutenkunst drafts, even with mediocre seasons from Wyatt and Walker, I’m not hopeful for 2023.
My own preference would consist of a total regime change. New President, coach, and GM. That’s unrealistic but hey I can have fantasies. The Packers already mismanaged Jordan Love’s contract. While I have no faith that the Packers could successfully leverage a rookie contract (artificial wage ceiling contract) to build a great team, and I don’t think they should’ve drafted Love anyway, that option is over now. Eventually the Packers will have to pay Love something closer to market prices, unless he plays so poorly that they release him and move on. So they won’t even have a chance to test out that team building strategy. I suppose then Love wouldn’t have enough experience to warrant the ultra mega $40 million per year deals that the superstars get, but even if he plays well for one season that could warrant $20 to $30 million, and there’s a good chance that the Packers will have post Rodgers dead money issues depending on what year he leaves and how it happens, since there’s different dead cap hits associated with retirement, pre or post June cuts/trades, and exercised options. Plus, who the hell will want to play for the Packers post Rodgers? There could be another 2-3 seasons of “wait and see” while the Packers redevelop themselves.
Mock drafts are starting to come out. One has us taking a QB. Florida’s Anthony Richardson. A huge boom or bust prospect with a sky’s the limit ceiling. This isn’t as unlikely as it seems. Ted drafted Brian Brohm is the second round. While Ron Wolf drafted Mark Burnell in the 4th. Both GM’s having franchise QB’s already on the roster. It’s unlikely Richardson makes it to 15. In that scenario you trade Love and keep Rodgers one more year thereby reseting the developmental clock on his replacement. But you could just as easily trade Rodgers letting the best man win between Love and Richardson. Curiously, not one mock draft has the Chicago Bears selecting a QB with the second overall pick. Evidently no one got your scathing QB evaluation on Justin Fields, Kevin.
Tom M 6 days ago
Mock drafts are starting to come out. One has us taking a QB.
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You read mock drafts?
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In January?….lmao
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I guess that answers some questions.
Sounds about …right.
Since taking over as GM in 2018. Just two franchise QB’s have fallen to Brian Gutekunst in the draft. And until we see more of him, you could argue only one. Jalen Hurts and possibly Jordan Love. Yet there have been scores of WR’s, RB’s,TE’s and OL drafted and played at a high level during that time. Franchise QB’s don’t grow on trees. You take them when you can find them. Instead of looking at Jordan Love as a threat to the present, look at him more as hope for the future. A future that is now with Rodgers constant talk of retirement.
“Mock drafts are starting to come out. One has us taking a QB.”
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Right, because mock drafts are super legit. The Packers already have a problem deciding on which QB to start. Why not draft another one!
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I don’t know why the Packers wouldn’t want to keep three first round QB’s on the roster. But if they don’t, they can trade away Love for peanuts and get absolutely zero value from him!
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Imagine another GM drafting a first and fourth rounder, having them both sit the bench for four years, then trading them away only to draft another first rounder to sit the bench again. LOL. Brilliant!
And these are the days, of Gutekunst/Murphy.
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This team…so entertaining.
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We have a Packer President, with ZERO football operational experience.
Who goes into the Packer office, grabs an attorney, and changes back the bylaws giving himself full and ultimate control of football operations.
The final decision maker, as he told us at the time.
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BROKEN
The biggest problem with the Packers this season is the decline of Aaron Rodgers. With Rodgers accuracy and his understanding of football, I fully expected at least one receiver to be able to mostly, though not completely, replace Adams. Lazard, as the top receiver, had barely better stats than last season. Watson was a complete bust. Yeah, some of that is because they weren’t the receivers I thought they could be, but Rodgers was off all season long with his accuracy, even before his thumb injury. The offense scored 80 fewer points than 2021. Add more than 10 TD to the final scores this season and the Packer probably win 3-4 more games at least.
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The second biggest problem, and a big contributing factor to the decline of the offense was naming Adam Stenavich as offensive coordinator. Stenavich has never coached receivers or quarterbacks in his career and that’s basically where the issues on offense were. It’s pretty clear that LaFluer has issues attracting good coordinators and that means we can’t expect to have a top offense or defense while he’s the coach. The game plans and preparedness of the offense was very poor this season.
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The defense was in fact only a bit worse than last season and wasn’t the cause of losses for a lot of games. The defense gave up the EXACT SAME number of points in 2022 as they did in 2021 when they went 13-4. Yeah, it did seem like the entire defense declined, even guys like Kenny Clark had a bad season, but Rodgers has won a LOT of games with far worse defenses.
Deepsky 2 hours ago
Watson was a complete bust.
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Tommi and Deep are running neck and neck to start the new year.
Who will win?
It’s anyone’s guess.
Oops. Obviously I meant Watkins.
2 franchise QBs….?
Hurts and (cough) Jordan Love
But Brock Purdy gets no mention?
Love has outplayed Purdy?
Shown more potential? lol
My, my, my…you have a whacky sense of humor Barney…lol
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Always leave em laughing Scooter!!
Good job 😄
Every NFL draft, college football produces 15 to 20 NFL caliber WR’s. Franchise QB’s? Some years one or two, while others none at all. You take them when you can get them. Jalen Hurts is a franchise QB. After his shoulder injury the Eagles weren’t the same team and became vulnerable. He’s also a leading candidate for your beloved MVP award. So yes Kevin, that qualifies him as a franchise quarterback. Is Jordan Love a franchise QB? The jury is still out because we haven’t seen him play enough. Gutekunst and LaFleur think so. We as fans have seen significant progress which give Packer fans hope. Aaron Rodgers fans, like the peanut gallery here, don’t want Love to succeed and therefore aren’t really Packer fans. Brock Purdy isn’t a franchise QB, Kevin. He’s a 7th round game manager. He reminds me of another Packer 7th round QB. Matt Flynn. Was Flynn a franchise QB, Kevin? No, but he had a nice career as a backup. Brock Purdy would be ecstatic if he had such a career. He’s got a great defense, a run game, and has good skilled players in Debo Samuel and George Kittle. Not unlike what Rodgers had this season. All Rodgers had to do was be a game manager. He couldn’t do that. Deepsky is absolutely 100% correct when he says the biggest problem this season was the play of Aaron Rodgers. He couldn’t even be a game manager. Jordan Love with his skill set and this roster can easily go 8-9 throw 25-30 TD’s and 15 INT’s. Which are Rodgers numbers. So the question has to be asked, what do we gain by Rodgers coming back next season if he’s just going to play like this? I say nothing. If Rodgers comes back and plays like this, he gets benched. Does he risk that? That’s the question he’s asking himself right now. Or does he retire as the starter? This is what he’s struggling with. Because there’s no guarantee he plays better.
Just three short years ago, Jimmy Garapolo and the San Francisco 49ers lost to Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs in the SB. It was painfully obvious to many that Jimmy G was never going to beat a Patrick Mahomes type player in the big game. While delusional 49er GM John Lynch convinced himself he was just a WR away from winning it all. Not unlike Packer fans who had convinced themselves they were likewise just a WR away from winning it all. Lynch then traded up in the draft ahead of the Packers to select Brandon Aiyuk. The rest as they say, is history. Aiyuk wasn’t the answer at WR and GM John Lynch arrived late to the party concluding that Jimmy G wasn’t the answer at QB either. Undeterred, the following year Lynch traded away the farm and his left kidney in order to draft QB Trey Lance. After a year on the bench, Lance promptly got out played in the season opener by fellow first round pick Justin Fields then went out with a season ending ankle injury. In an alternate universe, John Lynch realizes Jimmy G’s limitations a year earlier and drafts Jordan Love. With that roster and Love’s superior skill set to Brock Purdy, not to mention the additional draft picks given away for Lance, suddenly the 49ers become SB favorites to win it all this year. Some GM’s are self aware and have vision. Most do not. Brian Gutekunst make the right call on Jordan Love. Love is just as good if not better than Lance and didn’t cost nearly as much. But more importantly he’s ready to play now. Just when either the 49ers or the Packers need him the most.
Doug Pedersons team came back from down 27-0 to win a playoff game.
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As I was watching it I thought to myself…what would be more likely under Lafleurs watch…a 27 point comeback or squandering a 27 point lead? I think we all know the answer to that.
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Then I thought to myself would the in demand Sean Payton or any other super bowl winning coach (minus gravy head) keep their defensive coordinator based on their performance against a concussed Tua, baker Mayfield after 6 days on a team, Justin fields, and the vikings with no cleats?
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If Aaron Rodgers had 4 first half ints would Kyle Shanahan let Rodgers pull his temper tantrum act or would he actually talk to his qb get his shit attitude turned around and Inspire enough confidence as a coach that they could get back in the game?
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I feel we will look back in hindsight much as many did on 2014 with Mccarthy as the year they should have moved on from their coach.
You make an interesting point Stiggy. I watched the season opener, Cincinnati against Pittsburgh. Joe Burrow threw 4 INT’s and was down 17-0. Burrow came back and balled out in the second half, tied the game, and forced OT. The Steelers finally won but what Burrow did was remarkable. These young guys like Burrow, Lawrence, Mahomes, Allen, as well as others don’t give two shits about stats, INT’s and the like. They don’t play for stats or awards like Aaron Rodgers does. It’s also why Rodgers will never win another SB. Just imagine the sideline drama if Rodgers had 4 INT’s. With all his fans blaming LaFleur and Royce Newman. Stats will always be overrated.
“In an alternate universe, John Lynch realizes Jimmy G’s limitations a year earlier and drafts Jordan Love. With that roster and Love’s superior skill set to Brock Purdy, not to mention the additional draft picks given away for Lance, suddenly the 49ers become SB favorites to win it all this year.”
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What kind of crack are the you smoking?
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“ Gutekunst make the right call on Jordan Love. Love is just as good if not better than Lance”
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You have no idea who is better. We have seen next to nothing from both of them. Love has played roughly a game and a half of mediocre football, not terrible but not eye popping, in the past three years. Lance played very shortly and got injured for the rest of the season. You’re just talking out of your rear. The 49ers are already one of the favorites to win the SB. You have no idea how Love fits in that system, how he develops as a player, or how things play out. I’m sure Love wants to get out on the field and you can’t blame him but it sounds like Gute is ready to sit him on the bench for the fourth year in a row. That isn’t Love’s fault. Who the fuck sits a first round pick for four years? No, Rodgers isn’t holding anyone hostage. This is entirely on the GM. He put himself and Love in this position.
Cheese, all I can do is go by what I see. With Jordan Love, I see growth, I see progress, I see maturity. I see none of that with Trey Lance. In Trey Lance’s defense, Love is farther along than Lance in the developmental process. Love has had an extra year in the NFL. However, Lance has a significant ankle injury that will greatly hamper his development going forward. Trey Lance suffers from same fate other QB’s like Kyler Murray, Justin Fields, Lamar Jackson, as well as others do. They run too much, therefore they get hit too much, and are susceptible to injury. Not a good sign for career longevity if you’re a young mobile QB and you’re getting hurt all the time especially with season ending injuries. Trey Lance hasn’t played in three years, and is coming off a broken ankle. It’s not like he’s out there making plays with the scout team in practice. While Jordan Love put up 10 points, moved the ball, looked decisive in the 4th quarter against the best team in the NFC. With Lance you have to always worry about injury. That’s why it’s important you’ve got a real option at backup QB. Brock Purdy gives you that option. With Aaron Rodgers you always have to worry about age. That’s why you have to a Jordan Love. Because age and injury are always a factor. By the way, tell me where you can get a backup QB as talented as Jordan Love for 2.3 million next year? You can’t. And when your paying your starting QB 59 million you don’t have money for a veteran backup. Gutekunst is saying he wants Rodgers back. He also is saying he wants Love back. He’s hedging his bet and rightfully so. I see it no better than 50/50 Rodgers plays better next year. Brian Gutekunst has to have a plan if Rodgers doesn’t play better. Jordan Love is that plan. For what it’s worth Cheese, I agree with you, I would start Love next season and not keep him on the bench.
Tom M 23 mins ago
By the way, tell me where you can get a backup QB as talented as Jordan Love for 2.3 million next year? You can’t
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Well, i know where you can get a rookie starting QB who is 6-0 in games started with a playoff win for only $782,000 this season, and about to face the boys.
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Purdy hasn’t completed 6 passes, he’s completed 114 passes with 16 TD’s and 4 picks, carrying a 67% completion percentage, 107 passer rating.
REAL WORK.
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John Lynch didn’t have to trade up for him in the first round.
Lynch waited until Purdy “fell to him” in the 7th round at pick #262.
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But listen Tommi….if you want to keep telling us how Love has “progressed”, because of his 3 minute 19 second of 4th quarter play down by 14 points has proven that fact…..
Knock yourself out with that, it’s a new day sweetheart.
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I can remember some fans saying…Janis will do well once he gets on a new team that doesn’t “hate him”…..lol
Or…..
Wait until Hundley goes to another team and the Packers will regret letting him go.
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That’s the kind of stupid shit i had to sift through.
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Then you came along Tommi, and brought a new heightened state of stupidity.
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Chinupnsmile Tommi….it’s never as bad as it seems.
Keep the Faith.
” Gutekunst is saying he wants Rodgers back. He also is saying he wants Love back. He’s hedging his bet and rightfully so.” Little M.
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Of course he wants Love back, he’s a 3 year, Packer trained back up QB to Rodgers under contract, did anyone in the entire world think Love was going anywhere?
Lets say, just for my enjoyment……
Lets say i’m wrong (i could be, i’m not all knowing), and the Packers don’t give Love his 5th year option of 20 mill.
And lets say, Love demands a trade!!!! (funny to imagine)
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Tell me Tommi….what do you see the Packers getting for a trade of Love.
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Follow up question Tommi……Now after months and months of working with you, do you finally understand now that 5th year options aren’t exercised until after year 3 is over and the league new year has started. I think it’s around March 15th.
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But anyway….you’re welcome
Tell me Kevin, what can Aaron Rodgers do that Jordan Love cannot? Lose games? Throw INT’s? Play average to below average football? Because that’s Aaron Rodgers in 2022. You’ve yet to tell me why he’ll be any better in 2023. The gap between Rodgers and Love shrinks every year. Next year there maybe no difference between the two. Brock Purdy has had a nice run to be sure. I still say when it’s all said and done he’s more Matt Flynn than franchise QB. Let’s see him come from behind and win a game in the 4th quarter. If you recall Geno Smith set the NFL on fire the first half of the season with many a pundit call him a franchise QB. Such nonsense stopped as the season progressed. Let’s see how Purdy does against Dallas or Philadelphia. But you bring up a good point Kevin, you don’t have to be an Aaron Rodgers to be successful in the Kyle Shanahan/Matt LaFleur offense. And if Brock Purdy can do it, so can Jordan Love.
“With Aaron Rodgers you always have to worry about age”
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Rodgers just won back-to-back MVP’s. Age wasn’t an issue until he lost his top two WR’s and had to get a bunch of rookies up to speed whenever they weren’t out due to injury. Watson and Doubs missed more time than Rodgers this season. Is age an issue for them?
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“For what it’s worth Cheese, I agree with you, I would start Love next season and not keep him on the bench.”
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I appreciate the civil response but don’t put words in my mouth. I never said to start Love. I said that Love must obviously want to get out and play, and who in their right mind drafts a first round pick to sit the bench for four years. This isn’t on Love or Rodgers. Obviously they both want to play. The GM is solely responsible for this situation.
Aaron Rodgers won the MVP in 20 and 21. In 2022 he played like shit. He played, Cheese and Kevin, like an old man. I’ll ask you both again, which Aaron Rodgers do we get in 2023? I say it’s no better than 50/50 he plays better next year. And by better, I’m mean good enough to win. Couldn’t care less about the MVP nonsense, I want a ring. Conversely, Rodgers went on Pat MacAfee and proclaimed he could win an MVP next year. When is the last time Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, or Josh Allen talked about winning an MVP award? Never. They’re too busy trying to beat each other and win a SB and be the next Tom Brady. Brian Gutekunst better have a plan if Rodgers comes back and falls on his face. So yes, Kevin, this has everything to do about Jordan Love. If Aaron Rodgers truly believed he could win an MVP next season he’d have already told management I’m all in for next year. He hasn’t. So he’s talking out his ass. Here’s my take. I think Aaron Rodgers WANTS to come back. I think he’s afraid of failure. If Tim Boyle or Danny Etling were his backup this would be a no brainer for him. They’re no threat. Jordan Love is. Aaron Rodgers sees what everyone else sees when they watch Jordan Love and the scout team. Rodgers doesn’t have to play like an MVP next season. He does, however, have to play significantly better than he did in 2022 or he’ll finish the season on the bench. Rodgers is asking himself gentlemen, can I hold Love off for one more year? We’ll get his answer soon enough.
LMAO…..are you running back (rehashing) the theory that Rodgers is scared of Jordan Love?
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“Aaron Rodgers sees what everyone else sees when they watch Jordan Love and the scout team.” – Ragnar
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What’s that?
That Love can throw the ball to guys in no contact practice with no pass rush after 3 seasons?
Gee….that must scare the bejeebers out of Rodgers…..lol
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I appreciate that you keep trying Tommi…
You remind me of an old, old song from the 70’s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u63CjV9xToY
Why is it the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill, but their offense actually improved this year? The Packers traded Adams and the offense took a huge dive. Sure, the Chiefs got Smith-Schuster, but he hadn’t had a good year since 2018. Watson had a much higher yards per catch than Smith-Schuster. The difference is that Mahomes, like Favre and a young Rodgers made receivers better. Old Aaron Rodgers, with his inaccuracy and fear of throwing to receivers he’s not cozy with was the problem. The Chiefs haven’t drafted a first round receiver in years and they didn’t make a big splash in free agency for a receiver and yet when they let Hill go they got better on offense.
I’ve brought up a stat called point differential, concerning the vikings that i think is one of the most telling team stat available.
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The vikings ended the season 13-4 with a -2 point differential.
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I guess we’ll let the results speak to that.
Of course you have Kevin, another meaningless stat. While anyone with a brain could look at the Minnesota Vikings and see the Green Bay Packers of 2011 to 2014. All stats and no substance. And I said as much. You want to quote me on that one? Of course you don’t. Sorry, you’ve got no big reveal there.
And who said it was some big reveal…your psychic?
It’s a rare and interesting team stat for 13-4 team, one that may never be equaled.
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You could maybe acknowledge how rare it actually is, like a normal person.
Or just continue doing what you do …competing to be the biggest asshole troll in all of internet land.
You have a sizeable lead.
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Enjoy your miserable, obsessive, hate filled life you damaged bastard.
Just checking if Killer commented. Don’t see anything, but his brother still appears to be here stinking up the joint.
Go Jags! I used to live in Jacksonville so I can jump on the bandwagon for the next 5 days then leap off with everyone else. I saw a video of Trevor Lawrence at Waffle House and it made me like him even more. If I see a video of Jordan Love at Waffle House I think I can feel better about the future.
Love with never have Trevors flowing golden locks.
He’s dreamy.
Only thing I think of every time I see Trevor Lawrence is “Fast Times at Ridgemont High”.
PF4L, you need to go over in the other room and get your boys in line. The Kool Aide drinking is getting out of hand.
Yea Arch…i haven’t been over there in awhile, Seasons over, been busy. Plus it isn’t my favorite place to post.
If the season was still going on i’d probably be over there a little bit with the problems this place is having, and continues to have because of….lack of interest addressing issues here?…..idk?
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Right now i’m just kind of pissed off at Rodgers with the shit i’m hearing on sports talk radio that they play from the McAfee Show.
Which i’ll get into soon enough.
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Keep on keepin on Arch 💯
Didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings Ragnar, please accept my apology.
Wanna 🍪?
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Thanks for making me and Rodgers your world.
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Never stop trying!! 👍
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SKOL!
“Thanks for making me and Rodgers your world.”
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LOL, pretty much.
Whichever way this crumbles Kevin, Brian Gutekunst has it covered. If Rodgers retires, he’s got Jordan Love. If Rodgers plays like shit again next year, he’ll be benched in favor of Jordan Love. If Rodgers plays well and gets beat in the playoffs next season, then Jordan Love starts in 2024. This team isn’t held hostage by Rodgers with nothing behind him. Having options in life is a good thing. Having Jordan Love on your roster is a good thing. As a Packer fan you should appreciate that but you’ve got too much of a hero complex for Aaron Rodgers. Kind of embarrassing for a grown man really. You’ve yet to tell me why you think Rodgers will ball out next season. Rodgers doesn’t even know if he still can. It’s why he has to think this over carefully. I’m sure his ego will make the decision for him. If he does come back, he better be right. Or he’ll finish his career like Joe Namath, on the bench.
I thought next seasons was Loves, i thought Rodgers was gone?
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Ragnar…can you pick a version of one of your fictional stories and …stick with it?
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Why do you always have 10 variations of what’s going to happen, then speaking like they are all factual?
Then hoping one becomes true, and you can tell everyone you told us so…lol
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Tell us the version where Love demands a trade…lol
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Or the version of Rodgers retiring.
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How about the version where Love beats Rodgers out in training camp for the starting job, and Rodgers rides the pine…lol
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Always leave em laughing Scooter!!
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What’s wrong with you?
If I were GM, that’s exactly what I’d do. Start Jordan Love next season. Because at 39, we all know what Aaron Rodgers is. A washed up diva that can no longer win regular season games. Detroit has already made him their bitch. And if he comes back next year there’s a real chance Chicago does as well. I don’t like the guy, but I’m not in favor of him going out as an embarrassment either. The first thing I’d do as GM is cut all of his friends. Cobb, Lewis, and Crosby. When Rodgers talks about not wanting in on a rebuild what he’s really saying is he wants all his old buddies back. I say no dice. This isn’t Aaron Rodgers personal country club, it’s a competitive NFL franchise, or at least it should be. It isn’t so much that Aaron Rodgers is afraid of Jordan Love, Kevin. It’s the idea that if he’s lost it, the organization won’t hesitate to go with Love at some point next season. Rodgers will be on a short leash. If you recall Favre stuck around a year too long in Minnesota. Brady, a year too long in Tampa. Rodgers ego is setting him up to fail next season if he returns. I don’t always agree with Gutekunst. I certainly would have traded Rodgers when I had the chance. But I always liked the Jordan Love pick. It took vision, it took balls, knowing full well it wouldn’t be popular amongst all the Rodgers fanboys. We need a successor to Rodgers and Boyle, Benkert were never going to cut it.
I’ll come back to this as you seem to be trying again.
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But in the future, don’t talk to me about what Rodgers said, then try to “explain” to me what he “really is saying” as if you are his spokesman and you’re the only one that understands him….lol…wtf?
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I’ll point out your other faults when time allows, not to give you a hard time, but simply because, it’s fun for me. 😁
“Brian Gutekunst has it covered”
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What Gute has covered….is Rodgers fully guaranteed 59 million next season….i mean…”unless he retires” (of course) 😏
You’ve got all the time in the world Kevin. It’s not like you have a job or anything. You spend your day jerking off to Erin’s stats and coming here proclaiming your undying love for him. Only you can tell us what’s truly in his heart. A true fanboy. It’s seems to me you’d want him to walk away as close to being on top as he ever gets. It’s time to let grandma go and let her die with some dignity. But no, for your own selfish reasons, you want prolong the agony and suffering. Not to worry, I’m sure you’ll get your wish. The Aaron Rodgers train wreck, coming next season! And you’ll have a front row seat Kevin! How lucky you are!
Oh my….did someone push Mr. Angry’s button again?
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Wait, it might have been me. Nevermind 😉
To quote Arron from Pat’s show
““I’m sure that’ll trigger somebody asking them, ‘Are you guys rebuilding?’ and the answer would be, ‘Of course not. We got this and we got that.’ But it’s a mind-set. If they want to go younger and think Jordan (Love is) ready to go, then that might be the way they want to go, and if that’s the case and I still want to play, then there’s only one option, right, and that’s to play somewhere else. If it’s not and they, you know, like, ‘No, no, no, we still want you to play,’ and this and that, then it’d have to be the right situation with the roster that looks like we can win it all.
“Because there’s no point in coming back if you don’t think you can win it all.”
So all you fools that want to quote about him saying just MVP, read the whole statement. Some people have a complete lack of intelligence.
This is from PF4L
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Fix this website…..i mean J. C…..
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Don’t just do nothing, and say nothing.
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I keep asking myself….Why did you buy it?
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If you don’t GAF…fine, that’s all good, life goes on, but why bother running it?
Or whatever you call this.
PF4L
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Sorry Sean…i needed the example.
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Curiously, not one mock draft has the Chicago Bears selecting a QB with the second overall pick.
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Well…lol
That’s interesting.
My first thought was, did he read every single mock draft?
My 2nd thought was…when was the last time he went upstairs and went outside?
My BEST thought was….
Does Tommi know the Bears have the #1 overall draft pick?
I guess now he does….
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Keep trying Tommi, keep trying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u63CjV9xToY
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You’re welcome Tommi.
Proof that coaching matters: in one season the Packers special teams improved from last in the NFL to 22nd under Rich Bisacia. What kind of improvement could happen on the defense with a new coordinator?
The biggest thing holding the Packers back are themselves. For years they just didn’t care about special teams and when they were willing to throw some money at a real coach they got a positive result. Sadly, I just saw though that Rich Bisacia interviewed for head coach with the Colts. So I guess that one season of quality special teams is all we get unless the Packers can convince him to come back. Colts are kind of trash anyway.
Overall, the Packers are not in too bad of a spot, at least not compared to the truly bottom teams of the league. Much of the media is focusing on whether or not the Packers “rebuild” even though they already started the rebuild last year when they parted with Zadarious Smith, Adams, and drafted new receivers. Other notable departures included Patrick, Turner, and Sullivan. The rebuilding is already underway whether or not Rodgers plays in 2023. Thankfully the receiver group of 2022 already showed more promise than the 2018 group. 2023 will probably see a new kicker, safety, and tight end, unless Gutenkunst is bringing back Tonyan, Lewis, and Amos which I find hard to believe.
The obsession with Rodgers status continues even though his presence or absence has little impact on the Packers off season plans. They have no cap space for free agents and even less cap space if Rodgers is traded. Either way this will be another draft only year with some undrafted guys signed here and there. But that is how the Packers operate almost every year anyway.
Losing Adams was always a challenge and I think we saw the rough transition, although the Packers are set up decently for 2023 with Watson and Doubs plus an offensive line that is okay. They still have Dillon and hopefully Aaron Jones for another year. But if not they’re only a couple guys away from having a top offense again.
The defense performed bottom half in major statistical categories again, so I’d like to see them move on from Barry. However, the actual players that they do have in important positions are solid: Alexander, Rashan Gary, Douglas, and Clark. All guys who will likely remain as they are for the next 3-4 years. In the Packers never ending quest for defensive improvement we have to hope that Walker and Wyatt develop into meaningful starters, both of which would go a long way to re-establishing this team as good again.
Still there are some rough patches. I think that the Packers release Amos and restart the safety position which means another rookie. Tight end is also a huge hole. Even if they have a great draft they might get one or two positions nailed down. So I think it’s unlikely that the Packers rebound back to a superbowl contender in 2023. But I think there’s some hope for the future but a lot of it depends as usual on the draft. If the Packers have another draft like 2020 then probably not. But if it’s like last year where the players made sense and filled holes then I’ll be more hopeful.
Jesus fuck, the writing on this site has gotten terrible. The average middle school student has a better grasp on how and when to use a comma.
Rules for using proper English on Total Packers.
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Rule 1) Their our know rule’s.