On a night of historic offensive numbers for Philadelphia, Jordan Love took over control of the Packer offense in the 4th quarter after an oblique injury forced Aaron Rodgers to the sidelines. Love produced two scoring drives that tallied ten points. The second drive stalled after a pass to Randle Cobb was broken up by K’Von Wallace that could have been penalized for pass interference, but no call was made. Unfortunately, Love’s heroics were not enough.
The Packer offense found their rhythm in Philadelphia. Scoring 33 points is the season high for this 2022 Packer team. A.J. Dillon averaged 8 yards a carry and 8 yards on 4 completions. Jordan Love passed for 113 yards on six completions on nine attempts for a 146.8 QB rating. But the offense could not overcome Rodgers’ two interceptions.
The first set up the Eagles with a short field at the Packer’s 29 yard line. Three plays later, the Packers were down 13 points in the first quarter. The second snuffed out a scoring drive, but the defense was able to create a turnover on a huge tackle by Rudy Ford forcing the fumble. Walker had a great return on that fumble that was a high reel in itself. His 63 yard return set up the offense and you have to give him props for that.
Give this Packer offense credit too for not quitting. They battled back to tie the score at 20, but the Eagles last second drive before the half, commencing with a back shoulder toss past Douglass for the touchdown, ended the Packer’s momentum. The third quarter started with the Packers offense going three and out after Rodgers was sacked on third down. Rogers was injured on the play. His injury was communicated to the press as an oblique injury, but he might have broken ribs based on the location of his pain on the sideline.

Lost in this defeat were good showings of potential from Love and Christian Watson. Love hit Watson in stride on a short crosser on a first down play from the Packer 37. Watson had two steps on his defensive back and left the entire Eagle defense in his dust as he accelerated all the way to the end zone. Love also made accurate throws to Lazard, Cobb and Aaron Jones. He looked calm and his passes were accurate.
With nine minutes left, the Packers were seven points down. The Eagles’ first play was a run right at Quay Walker. He missed the tackle, and the Eagles gained 11. After another scramble run by Hurst for another first down, Walker missed another tackle on Sanders, allowing 4 instead of lost yardage. The Packers had the Eagles at the 48 of the Eagles on a third and three. Walker made the tackle…making contact 8 yards downfield. Walker did not advance towards the line of scrimmage after the snap and could not get off the block of the Eagle offensive lineman. The Eagles kicked a 54 yard field goal that sealed the victory.
Perhaps the best special teams plays of the season came from kick returner Keisean Nixon. His 53 yard return near the end of the game padded his stats, which were impressive. (5 returns for 172 total yards) Rudy Ford made his first start in the secondary and had nine solid tackles. He took over for Darnell Savage who, in an early sub package, suffered a toe injury while missing a tackle and was not missed.
The Packer defense was roasted by the Eagles for 363 rushing yards, 500 total yards, 29 first downs and 35 and a half minutes of possession time. All of those numbers produced 40 Philadelphia points that were just too much for the Packer offense to match.

The Eagles drove the field on their first drive, a seventy five yard 10 play drive that was a highlight reel for Jalen Hurts and a lowlight reel for Quay Walker. The initial Packer defensive game plan seemed to have Walker shadowing Hurts on pass plays to prevent scramble runs. Walker is billed as the fastest linebacker on the team. But speed can only be used once the correct play diagnosis is made. There have been some recent articles talking about Walker’s improvement over the season, but this writer does not see it. He repeatedly failed to keep Hurts in check and the 200 rushing yards that came from Eagles not named Hurst, were often running right at Walker.
He is slow to diagnose and cannot get off any block, even tight ends. He did make a couple of plays in space, running down backs on outside runs, but in the middle he plays small, slow and weak. Five hundred yards and 40 points are not all on Walker. Adrian Amos seemed like he was a step slow all night. Rasul Douglass looked like he belonged back on the Arizona practice squad, giving up huge plays, including a back breaking last second long TD right before the half.
Th Packers now have a date in Chicago with the Bears next week. The Bears have one fewer loss than this Packer team. It is possible Jordan Love will start his first game in 2022. It’s Packers v. Bears and Packer fans can’t wait to get this loss in their rear view mirror.
For all those preaching hell fire and brimstone, for which there are many. The apocalyptic future of a returned to the 1970’s without our beloved Aaron Rodgers might be a tad bit premature. Finally, Jordan Love got his chance. He looked poised, calm, and in command of the offense. The ball jumped out of his hand. His best throw was the one Aaron Jones dropped. Even when the pocket broke down, he was looking downfield to throw the ball. There’s a lot to like and a lot to build on. Love’s best football is in front of him. He should be the starter going forward regardless of Rodgers health status. Another game, another TD for Christian Watson. Watson three game stretch with 6 TD’s is as good as any 1st round WR or even George Pickens, picked in last years draft. He’s virtually a threat to score every time the ball is in his hands. And Jordan Love has the arm to get it to him anywhere on the field. Love doesn’t play silly head games about “trust issues” either. Soon they’ll have to double team Watson. About the time Romeo Doubs gets back from his high ankle sprain. Doubs reminds me of a young Greg Jennings. With the tough as nails Allen Lazard making tough catches over the middle. The future looks bright even if everyone refuses to acknowledge it.
I think it’s worth giving Jordan Love a shot when Rodgers departs, probably at the end of this year. So far I have not been impressed with Love’s accuracy, although he does seem to understand the offense. But his accuracy was good last night, although that dropped significantly when he was on the run. Here’s hoping that the Packers will have benefitted again by being able to sit a QB for a couple years.
“Jordan Love got his chance. He looked poised, calm, and in command of the offense.” – Tommi
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YEP!!!
FOR THE WHOLE 3 MINUTES AND 19 SECONDS THAT JORDAN LOVE PLAYED!!
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PROVEN!!
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BRILLIANT TOMMI…JUST PURE BRILLIANCE.
You saw the future when Love hit Watson. Draft a top TE or maybe 2 and a Dline big body and we should have a shot to bounce back fast as an organization.
If Rodgers is healthy enough hes playing. People need to be resigned to that. He was already pushing to start Sunday night in his presser. Honestly I dont want to root for the guy to be hurt, but it really would be best if he cant play. We are out of it anyways and we have to know if we do the 5th year option on Love or if we trade him and get a QB in a QB heavy draft this year.
Shouldn’t we draft a receiver in a heavy QB draft?
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I mean, i can remember a heavy receiver draft not long ago, and we took a QB.
You never know….a receiver could fall to us in the first round. 🤷♂️
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Just curious…So your sold and all in with Jordan Love…because he threw a ten yard pass to Watson, and Watson took it 53 yards for a TD?
That’s the future?…that’s all you need to see?
DONE! 😲
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I’m gonna wait until everyone gets done talking about crowning Love, counting Pro Bowls, and ultimately…mentioning Canton, Ohio, based on someone with 9 pass attempts down by 14 in the 4th quarter.
After i’m entertained for awhile i’ll make some observations.
How Joe Barry still has a job after that defensive showing is beyond me. What a cluster. He should have been told to get his own flight back to Green Bay after being fired on the tarmac.
How Joe Barry still has a job after that defensive showing is beyond comprehension. What a cluster. He should have been told to get his own plane ride home after being fired on the tarmac.
It’s amazing to me that Joe Barry was even hired in the first place. I guess most of the front office in Green Bay doesn’t learn from history? Anybody who’s associated with the 2008 Detroit Lions should have never been given a job in the first place
The biggest problem I have with LaFleur is his selection of coaches. Offensive coordinators never come from offensive line coaches, they come usually from quarterback coaches. I suspect some of the issues with the receivers early on in the season were due to Stenavich’s inability to coach receivers and quarterbacks. Worse is the hiring of Joe Barry, supposedly after the Packers were spurned by Jim Leonhard, which would have been just as bad. McCarthy hired Dan Quinn, who had success in the past and now leads a much better defense with the Cowboys. Is LaFleur so disrespected around the league that he can’t hire coaches with pedigrees?
Did Mike McCarthy really hire Dan Quinn, or did Jerry Jones Force McCarthy to hire Dan quinn?
Asked and answered.awhile ago.
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McCarthy had to be told when he got hired, that he wasn’t calling plays.
In fact, Jones announced it to the media.
Mike Nolan was handpicked by McCarthy. Was fired after one season.
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Jones is the owner…GM, and Dictator.
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LaFleur is starting to look like white trash garbage from
Michigan. Obviously we can’t blame everything on him, but he needs to make some changes on his staff
Was the irony lost on anyone that when Christian Watson collided with a couple DBs it was one of those DBs who had to leave the game and visit the blue tent? Keep having solid games #9, you’re a bright spot.
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If Quay Walker had not done such a good job on the return of that fumble recovery his overall game performance would have been horrible. Because of that play, it was just very damn bad.
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Did anyone miss Savage?
I didn’t miss #26. And I liked the attitude the new DB’s brought.
I can’t stand #23 playing like shit, then makes a half ass stop and jumps up to show everybody how cool he can dance. He sucks and is only there for the $$$$$.$$
There’s an old saying ” Pigs get feed and Hogs get slaughtered” I see you #23.
Where’s the day’s of Kenny Stills wearing that towel with numbers on it of who’s ass he was gonna kick?
Give me the DB that doesn’t have all the talent, but gives you all he got.
Charles Martin had the towel with numbers. He body slammed Jim McMahon after He threw an INT. Bears fans blamed Martin for ending McMahon’s career, but McMahon was already playing injured that whole year.
Charles Martin is in Canton.
https://fansided.com/2021/07/19/packers-bears-hit-list-jim-mcmahons-career/
No one is saying it’s going to be a linear line going straight up for Jordan Love. They’ll be bumps along the way. A learning curve to master. But the progress and talent are evident. It was always going to be the mental part of the game that was going to be the challenge. It takes these kids time. I hadn’t watched Jalen Hurts play in over a year and he’s no where near the player he was when drafted. But he got to play almost immediately. It’s time for Jordan Love to play. You could tell his teammates were genuinely happy for him. For weeks it seemed as though everyone was going thru the motions. Philadelphia is the best team in the NFC and it isn’t even close. They may even be better than Kansas City. That OL is very impressive. We miss Rashan Gary in the worst way. Losing our second best corner in Eric Stokes got exposed as well. If we’re set at QB going forward then we need another pass rusher drafted early. That’s why it’s important to find out what we have with Jordan Love.
I’m not as much of a believer in Love as other people here seem to be. I think at this point he looks better than Hundley so that is good at least. The arm strength is better than Matt Flynn. So he at least looks physically better than any of the other quarterbacks that the Packers have had since Rodgers. So I’m glad for that. However, I don’t think last night was evidence of much. The Christian Watson touchdown was a throw that any quarterback could’ve made. He was so wide open that is was very bad defense on the Eagles part. And also that play had a lot to do with Watson’s speed, which is a bright spot for sure. But I don’t mean this as a negative on Love, more so I say it to counter all the hot takes that Love played amazing. He had some good throws against a weak Eagles defense that wasn’t playing hard anymore because they were winning by two touchdowns. I think we probably will get to see a couple complete games from Jordan Love this year so I’m hopeful.
As far as the rest of the team goes, the defense needs another rebuild. Joe Barry joins the other Packers coordinators who can’t stop running QBs. Any improvement on the defense has to start with getting a serious coordinator. They also need to improve their NFL worst run defense.
See, I look at it differently. Yeah, most people could complete that throw to Watson. What people don’t understand is that if that if you throw it even slightly behind him, low, high, hell even out in front of him, he stumbles enough that it slows him down or falls down, he doesn’t score. But people are so eager for Love to fail because of their infatuation with Rodgers. Much like how people wanted Rodgers to fail when Favre was traded. Also, I think anyone that watched Love, would tell you his best throw wasn’t even competed, the dime on the back shoulder to Aaron Jones. Love had 183 yards in one quarter of play. That’s worth something. I swear none of you Rodgers ball swallowers said “bUt RoDgErS pAsSiNg YaRdS wErE mOsTlY YAC.”
PFL4 I wasnt saying it was a “bright” future, I was simply saying Love to Watson is the future of this offense. I am not 100 percent sold on Love either. Lets see how he does when he starts a whole game and is planned for by a defense.
I hear ya…i’m just used to reading other people’s post on how he’s now proven himself…..i think that’s ridiculous on its face.
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Down the hall there is an article titled….
“Jordan Love Is Ready to Be a Starting NFL Quarterback”
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I think Love has all the physical tools to be a starting QB (as most high draft picks do), but we have to see if he has the mental capability (that’s the harder thing to conquer in being a starting NFL QB
9 pass attempts just doesn’t get it done for me.
I want to see him under pressure and how he handles it.
People are touting on how Love is reading his progressions.
I want to see him reading progressions, under duress.
That’s what seperates.
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To be honest, right now i’m more pumped about 2nd round pick Watson.
I’m still concerned with his reliability to be on the field.
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But….he’s dynamic when he makes a play, and he’s shown more flash and potential than MVS and has a much better catch rate, even with his drops.
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As far as the 2 first round picks of Wyatt and Walker…..Nothing there, impresses me.
Yeah, I rag on Gute a lot and I’m not impressed with him as a GM. I think his drafting has been sub-optimal in looking at the picks from 2018 until now. I know that a true evaluation of picks often doesn’t come for a couple few years but we are already seeing some things in this class.
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I’m with you on the first three you mentioned. Walker is confounding. He is very athletic but those scouting reports that indicated he has trouble reading run vs pass seem to ring true. I was down on him when he got stupid and got ejected during that one game, I started to come around when he played a little better after that. The Iggles game has me down on him again. He just has some learning to do.
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Devonte Wyatt. Better start seeing what this guy has, he’ll be 25 in March.
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Christian Watson. Like I said, he’s a bright spot and I hope he can avoid some of that early fragility. He has some afterburner speed for sure. Would like to see him hands catch a bit more.
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Sean Ryhan. Dumbass. Third round curse continues.
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Romeo Doubs. Hoping he can keep showing the positives the team has seen from him. Looks like a good pick so far.
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Zach Tom, another potentially good pick. Kingsley Enagbare could be the steal as he’s playing well for a rookie.
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Tariq Carpenter looks to be making ST contributions at this point. Still waiting for more from Samori Touri as he was a late round pick I was happy they made. Wondering why we haven’t seen a bit more of him. The picks of Watson, Doubs, Touri “seem” better than when the Packers went Moore, Scantling, St Brown in ’18 and took three receivers in a draft.
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Even if they finally got more right than wrong this time around I’m still very leary of having faith in Gute as it pertains to the draft going forward.
“Rasul Douglass looked like he belonged back on the Arizona practice squad,” That is a legitimate question Paul. I have another question and I’m surprised that a Packer reporter doesn’t ask LaFleur in a press conference. Why is Douglas playing LCB and Jaire playing RCB.
I stated earlier in the season that Douglas should be the RCB and Jaire should be the LCB. Stokes should either be the slot or be on the bench. Stokes was injured, but my point was Jaire is paid the money to be the LCB. Jaire has played the LCB with some very good results. Douglas played the majority of last year as the RCB with some very good results. Why the change? Could it be that LaFleur is protecting Jaire’s right shoulder, injured last year, by putting Jaire as a RCB? Is the shoulder still damaged?
Some may not agree, but to me you put your best cover corner at LCB unless you are going to try and man up a certain receiver the majority of the game. I can name several very good corners that all played LCB in there prime. Revis, Gilmore, Sherman, Ramsey, etc. there is a reason NFL teams, for the most part, put there lesser corner who may have some weaknesses as the RCB.
It is crazy for the Packers to not switch the side of the field with Jaire and Douglas that both have shown they can play at a high level. It is even crazier they did not do it earlier in the season., unless Jaire’s right shoulder still has some sort of damage from last year.
I like it when your best corner mirrors the other teams best receiver, that’s confidence.
I want to see some swag on defense! 😜
I just think if you’re the highest paid corner in the league, you should be able to play either side, or the slot.
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How about that kick return game!?
Nice to see a returner who has some moves to make bringing it back vs someone who..catches, runs straight, gets tackled.
Field position matters, especially after a 53 yard return toward the end of the game.
I also like it when a corner can travel. The problem is with bunch formations, motion, and lining up a receiver in the backfield, an offense can avoid or limit the effectiveness of a man corner such as Jaire or Ramsey. Remember how the Packers took advantage of Ramsey in the playoffs when Ramsey tried to go man with Adams.
It is not Jaire that I think needs protection it is Douglass, unless Jaire still has a bad right shoulder. Douglass should be the RCB as it appears Jaire very seldom is traveling with a specific receiver. If a defense is not going to have their corners travel then you put your best corner, for the most part at the LCB position.
Yes it is good to see some kick returns going for positive yards. If the Packer defense could stop an opponent maybe we could see some decent punt returns.
As usual you’re one step ahead of me…
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I never thought of bunch formations and motions. I can remember the Packers getting burned multiple times, especially in bunch when they’d get picked….and there’s almost always a receiver wide open.
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My only thoughts on Douglas is he gets really handsy sometimes. It seems on/off with him, but he’s pretty aggressive and he’ll get called for it.
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Love watching Nixon returning kicks…..sometimes i have to look twice and make sure he’s really wearing a Packer uniform 😊
I was surprised the Packers restructured Lowery’s contract today to free up 1.1 million of cap space and put more money to the future. The only reason to do that is to sign a new player (doubtful) or extend an existing player. 1.1 million added to the current 6 million plus in salary cap space appears to be to minor to extend a player such as Jenkins unless another player(s) are going to restructure. It does make me wonder if we might see the Packers extend Nixon for two or three years before the end of the season.
Damn….lol
Some of these people down the hall….holy shit.
It’s like everyone in Tommi’s Trailer Park all post over there
They all think that Love is now a proven starting QB.
And PF4L isn’t Carrying the G….lol
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Again…it’s 9 pass attempts. He has a career record of 3 TD’s, 3 interceptions.
I don’t hate Love, i thought he got a raw deal by Gute, because they left him out in left field by signing Rodgers to a new deal.
They had a plan for Love, they changed their plan. I actually feel bad for Love because the Packers screwed him.
But at the same time, the realist in me says that 9 pass attempts does not a starting NFL QB make.
Maybe it does in your world and if it makes you all giddy about him, more power to you.
My point was, because of the new contract the Packers willfully gave Rodgers, it severely limits their options for next season.
You, or others might understand it better if you educated yourself on his contract ramifications.
The “best case” scenario for the Packers is Rodgers retiring and counting 40 million in dead cap next season.. if he retired, which he won’t do with 58 million coming his way next season, guaranteed.
A trade could happen, but who wants to take on that contract, AND give away valuable draft resources?
There is no poor me, there is the educated me.
Details matter.
Knowledge matters.
The bottom line at the end of the day is Packer upper management created this situation, it’s on them, not Rodgers
The Packers drafted Love to move on from Rodgers.
The Packers changed their mind.
Offered Rodgers huge money
Leaving Love to scratch his head over broken promises from the Packers.
Maybe this will help you…..
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/
“Rasul Douglass looked like he belonged back on the Arizona practice squad,”. Douglas looked to me like he should be the RCB not the LCB on the Packers.
I have stated since early this season that Douglas should be the RCB, Jaire should be the LCB and Stokes should be the slot. If Stokes couldn’t manage the slot (I don’t believe he could) then put Stokes on the bench and put Nixon as slot. The injury to Stokes made it possible to make what appears to be the easy call.
A Packer reporter needs to ask LaFleur why Jaire is not playing LCB and Douglas playing RCB. Jaire has played LCB at a very high level. Douglas for the most part played RCB last year and performed at a high level. So why change positions? It is not because Jaire is following the opponents best receiver all game. Jaire for the most part is the RCB. It makes no sense unless the Packers are trying to protect Jaire’s right injured shoulder from last year?
There is a reason most teams put their best corner on the left side during their prime. Players like Revis, Sherman, Ramsey, and Gilmore to name a few. You offer some degree of protection to a corner that has some minor deficiencies by placing them as the RCB. Douglas should be the RCB and Jaire the LCB. It is the correct placement for both, if Jaire is healthy? In addition both have proven they can handle the positions they played last year when healthy.
Sorry about the double post. I thought my first comment was lost. My first comment took a while to post?
Packers QB Financials, explained……
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https://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/the-financial-futures-of-rodgers-love-1684/
Well…..the world has come back to normal for me…i now have more thumbs down than thumbs up from down the hall…it took me long enough.🙄
Here’s my latest example of why i’m (bound to get a couple handfuls of thumbs down) 💯
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November 29, 2022 at 01:26 pm
I think we should start Jordan Love like everyone is saying, he should be our starting QB here on out, salary cap be damned, Rodgers went from back to back MVP’s to dare i say…useless?
It’s no secret that Jordan Love proved himself (on the field) against the Eagles and earned the Packers starting job. We all saw it!!
All 3 minutes and 19 seconds of it.
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Join me next time for my discussion of the word…..sarcasm 😉
The Cool Aid drinkers are rampant down there. Guys saying the Packers need to sign Love to a long term contract on the cheap today. Talk about no understanding of how pro football contracts and the salary cap work. Love only throwing 9 passes, playing 3:19 minutes and looking ok. They have him marked as a HOF’er already based on those 9 passes. Idiots.
Yea…you saw that too?…lol
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Since when can you sign a 1st round QB who has been sitting for 3, maybe even 4 years to 7,8,9 million a year?
Especially if you didn’t 5th year option him which would be 20 million…guaranteed
I never imagined meeting up with Tommi’s family, but apparently they hang out down the hall.
Love looked ok against a prevent defense. It doesn’t really say much when it’s vanilla coverage and they are giving up intermediate throws.
Sorry Stiggy but thats been debunked. The majority of the plays Philly was playing mam with 1 high safety.
From Fantasyland down the hall….
Hollenback’s article
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November 30, 2022 at 06:53 am
Loves 6 completions brings us talk of this……..
“Will Love go on to be the Packers’ third consecutive NFL Hall of Fame quarterback in a row?” – Chris Hollenback
Call Canton!!
This team is still shitty.
This is what a badly run team looks like 😏
The defense was short Gary, Campbell and Stokes. Thrown in two turnovers by Erin against perhaps the best team in football on the road, you’re not going to win. As for Jordan Love, what you want to see is progress. We saw it in the preseason, we saw more of it Sunday night. It’s not about stats, it’s not even about wins and losses. The question is, can he be a viable NFL starting QB? And if so, how good can he be? Those questions remain to be answered. What’s exciting is we see signs he could be the real deal. No one is saying we’re there yet. But the only way to know is by playing him. Jalen Hurts was hardly a finished project when he first started his NFL career. It’s taken him time to develop into the QB he was Sunday night. It took two years and change as a starter. That’s why it’s important to get Love starts now in these remaining meaningless games. Next year we start over. Next year they all count. Love needs to be ready.
Love needs to be ready to sit on the bench next season.
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Don’t be a complete idiot.
Sure Kevin, you didn’t think much of Rashan Gary either so the fact you’re not impressed with Walker and Wyatt means very little. You were also bashing the Christian Watson pick. Christian Watson may very well be the best WR in last years draft with Romeo Doubs a close second. And Brian Gutekunst may have hit on Jordan Love, just when we needed him most. After years of your astute talent evaluation about the young QB. You may want to keep quiet before you insert your dick in your mouth again….
I didn’t think much of your mother either, but i still gave her the 5 dollars she charged.
FYI….she forgot her teeth.
Before i forget….Let her know i’m sorry about making her eyes sting, i’ll try to improve my aim tonight.
Your sisters taking me out. I figured i’d give the bitch another chance.
Ouch!
” Next year we start over. Next year they all count. Love needs to be ready.” – dumbshit
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Again Tommi, you always need everything explained to you, and i’m getting damn tired of your lack of comprehension.
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Listen Princess, I said to you……
“Love needs to be ready to sit on the bench next season.”
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That lettuce head….is not because of any evaluations i made on Jordan Love….Seriously, stop being so fucking stupid.
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It’s because the Packers wanted to give Rodgers 150 million 8 months ago (How many fucking times do you have to be told that to understand)?
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With 58 million (guaranfuckingteed) being due to Rodgers in the 2023 off season, Rodgers isn’t going anywhere, so HENCE…..Love will be on the bench next season.
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Just one time Tommi….say something of at least average intelligence….holy shit.
Now run upstairs for your mac n cheese and a game of Chutes and Ladders with your Na Na.
Save some for Erin, you stud. He loves you so much…..
I didn’t judge Love, the Packers did.
Jordan (and all of us) were shown what the Packers thought of him by giving Rodgers all that money.
Maybe…..Love will get smart and realize he got screwed by the Packers front office and demand a trade. I’d bet he’s thought about it.
The Packers did Love wrong, period,
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He might be hanging in there hoping his 5th year option money comes to him.
Set for life.
Of course Gute hit on Jordan Love…didn’t you get the game and see the 6 completions?
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I mean, how good was that. 6 of them!!…holy shit!…who does that?
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WOW