Are the Packers’ playoff hopes over? They are second in the NFC North, but effectively 2.5 games back from the Vikings, who hold a 5-1 record after their bye week.
Green Bay stands at 3-4 after three shocking defeats in a row, against the Jets, the Giants and the Commanders. Remarkably, this is the first-ever losing streak that Matt LaFleur has experienced in his NFL head coaching career, and it leaves the team with a huge amount of ground to recover.
LaFleur has managed to get them to 13 wins in each of his first three seasons in Green Bay. Hitting that number this year would require them to go 10-0 for the remainder of the season – which looks unlikely, to say the least. Bettors have been reacting by opposing Green Bay in all the major markets. If you were using a bonus for a risk free bet on a team getting to the playoffs, would you go with the Packers?
There have been many reasons given in mitigation. The offensive line has been hit by injuries. Rodgers has an injured thumb. Special teams’ performances have regressed to the lows of last season. All these arguments have some merit, but it is difficult to escape the conclusion that Rodgers must bear the lion’s share of the responsibility.
In recent months, he hasn’t helped his team off the field. The fact that he took so long to renew his commitment to the team this summer was a major factor in Davante Adams leaving. Without his star receiver, Rodgers has struggled to reach his usual heights. However we got here, Rodgers is the leader of the Green Bay offense, and the recovery will largely be his responsibility.
After the defeat to the Commanders, the Packers are ranked 24th in points per game and their stats for rushing and passing yards are similarly mediocre. Worse still, those figures have been generated after a run of relatively easy games – at least on paper. Still to come are games against the Vikings, Cowboys, Eagles and Rams, and next Sunday, they face the Bills – a game in which they will be big underdogs.
The issue with the passing game is not that difficult to identify. Rodgers’ accuracy remains excellent, and he is completing passes at the same high rate. In fact, he’s only thrown three interceptions thus far this season. The big difference is in the long throws – the dramatic big-yardage passes that have won so many games for the Packers. On all measures, so far this season, his longer passes have been far less productive, which makes Green Bay much easier to play against.
There is some evidence that his offensive line, which has been hit badly by a lack of continuity brought on by injuries, is not providing him with the necessary protection. Last season, he was averaging 2.3 seconds in the pocket before coming under pressure and this time it is 2.2 seconds. This reduced protection comes at a time when he arguably needs a little more protection as he tries to get the best out of his less-talented receiver corps.
Green Bay ranks 26th for run block win rate, with a lowly 29%, which suggests that a heavier reliance on the run would not necessarily bring success.
The excellence shown by Aaron Jones and A.J. Dillon has inevitably raised questions about why they haven’t been given more carries per game. The problem is that relying more heavily on the run game would rely on the offensive line providing good blocking and there is clear evidence that this is beyond the Packers at the moment. Green Bay ranks 26th for run block win rate, with a lowly 29%, which suggests that a heavier reliance on the run would not necessarily bring success.
Reports suggest that Rodgers has been vocal in calling for reinforcements both to the receiver corps and for the offensive line. The organization might argue in return that Rodgers should have made greater efforts to stop Adams from leaving the franchise. While that may be fair comment, it doesn’t address the current situation and right now, Rodgers needs to get more from his receivers.
Allen Lazard has been their best receiver so far this season, but he is ranked 37th for yards gained receiving. Romeo Doubs, Randall Cobb and tight end Robert Tonyan are all ranked outside the top 60. For a team that has been known for the potency of its passing game, those are stark numbers and the team’s situation is not going to improve until Rodgers and his receivers work out their problems. If they can do that, there is still time to make the playoffs, but it looks like they will have to do it the hard way.
December Update
Following a win against the Chicago Bears in week 13, the Packers are still clinging to their playoff chances and have not been entirely eliminated from contention. It’s been a rough season for the team with injuries to Aaron Rodgers and coach Matt LaFleur’s tenure has been stained with multiple successive losses. With that said, LaFleur’s job should be save and his home in Wisconsin will not be in foreclosure anytime soon. On the other hand, Defensive Coordinator Joe Barry is probably polishing his resume these days.
Having missed the trade deadline it’s now just too late to do anything, including get rid of Rodgers. He’s controlled the purse strings and the franchise too long. It’s all for himself, and he has been given the top money all along, which is all he really may care about. By taking a bit less throughout his career, he probably could have had rings on every finger by now. We have had to make sacrifices every year to keep him, and the guys that left would be lucky to play with someone less greedy. Instead of give back to Green Bay, he is loading his pockets to leave. Kirk Cousins has been playing behind worse offensive lines all the while he has been in Minnesota, and clearly is just as good, if not a better QB than Rodgers. So sad for the players who placed their trust and hopes in him but we’re battered giving all they had, as well as Green Bay fans who have watched us come up short because we were always a player or two short of pulling it off. I let Rodgers shoulder the responsibility for taking so much from the organization and not giving enough back. Nick Foles has as many SB as Rodgers and in less time as a starter. Bring Nick Foles to Green Bay …
Hi…..”new guy”
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“Rodgers. He’s controlled the purse strings and the franchise too long. It’s all for himself, and he has been given the top money all along…” – new guy
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One question….new guy.
Who gave Rodgers that money, and why?
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Who’s to blame…new guy…Rodgers or the Packers?
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Stephen has the intellect of someone who looks out the window and see’s that it’s pouring rain, but has to go outside and walk out in it and get wet….just to make sure it really is raining.
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SKOL!
“We have had to make sacrifices every year to keep him” – NEW GUY
YEPPER…..
Like in 2018 we had to let Nelson go.
^Sacrifices^
Then we had to pay Jimmy Graham 10 mill/year to make him the #! paid tight end.
^Sacrifices^
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Or sacrifices like in 2019, spending 182 million in free agency mostly on defense…ya know,
^Sacrifices^.
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Or like in 2020 when Gute was forced to draft for the future by trading up for Jordan Love, instead drafting for the current team. GOOD THING TOO!
Or we may have had an empty spot on the bench the last 3 seasons.
^Sacrifices^
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Or 2022 where the Packers two first round picks were used for the defense.
Gute made up for it though by trading up for NFL ready Christian Watson, AKA: Iron Man.
^Sacrifices^
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Spending every 1st round pick for the last 12 years (except Love) on?…you guess it…DEFENSE!!
^Sacrifices^
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Rodgers has made Gute so upset, drove him so crazy, that Gute couldn’t even think straight!!, from rounds 3-7 of Gutes first 4 drafts.
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SKOL!!
Aaron Rodgers 50 million annual salary represents about a quarter of this years salary cap. Had Davante Adams decided to stay, and thank god he didn’t, you’d have two players taking up nearly 40% of the cap. Adams hasn’t been the savior in Las Vegas anymore than Rodgers has in GB. Players who collect stats get rich but it doesn’t make them champions. Fortunately for us, Rodgers retires after this season. Kevin loves to tell us how we paid 180 million on the Smiths, Amos, and Turner in FA but still lost in the playoffs. Yet we spent 150 million on Rodgers and won’t sniff the playoffs this year. How’s that for a return on your investment? But your point is well taken Stephen. While the greedy Rodgers squeezed every last dollar out of the organization. Tom Brady took less so his organizing had resources to sign players to help him. The result, Tom Brady will be remembered for decades as the goat because he won 7 championships. While Aaron Rodgers will be just another stay whore forgotten by everyone but his few remaining fans.
Tom M 33 mins ago
Aaron Rodgers 50 million annual salary represents about a quarter of this years salary cap. But i’m obviously too stupid to know that Rodgers salary cap hit this season is actually 28.5 million. Rodgers cap hit next year is 31.6 million.
I need things explained to me, because i’m too stupid to do my own thinking. But most of you know that already
What i like to do though is just spew out nonsense, hoping i sound smart to people like Deep,Kato, and rebel from my fanbase.
Those guys still think Royce Newman is a 10 year starter (chuckle).
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“…. we paid 180 million on the Smiths, Amos, and Turner in FA but still lost in the playoffs. Yet we spent 150 million on Rodgers and won’t sniff the playoffs this year. This is why i think Gutekunst should be Executive of the Year. He makes all the right decisions in the best interest of the Green Bay Packers. Ron Wolf wished he had half the managing talent of Brian Gutekunst.”
TEAM GUTE/MURPHY #1
Blaming Gutekunst, Murphy, and Royce Newman doesn’t change the fact that Aaron Rodgers now plays like the 40 year old QB that he is. It’s over. He’s done. Chase Claypool or even Jerry Rice in his prime doesn’t make him a worthless MVP contender again. You can be an Aaron Rodgers fan and live in the past or you can be a Packer fan and look towards the future. The decision is yours.
And the ineptness of upper management’s faulty strategies and bad roster and draft decisions “doesn’t change the fact” that you keep blaming Rodgers for upper management fuck ups.
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But we all know how shallow and simple minded your pea size brain works.
Keep praying for your vikings peanut brain, that NFC North Banner looks to be in sight!!.
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SKOL!!
Based on yesterday…what is one thing Gute has in common with Big Ted.
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Also…What is one thing that MLF has in common with McCarthy?
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Hint: Both questions are related.
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No Tommi…it doesn’t mean they are brothers or cousins.
Nobody…really?
“However we got here, Rodgers is the leader of the Green Bay offense, and the recovery will largely be his responsibility.” – AR
^YES^….I don’t see where any responsibility lies with Gute whatsoever!!
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“Rodgers needs to get more from his receivers.” – AR
^YES^…..He better get rookie receivers to stop…playing like rookies GDI!!
And he better turn has beens or never have beens to high productive NFL targets GDI!!
And maybe……He ought to cast some sort of spell on so many injured wide receivers to get them healthy for Gameday.
C’MON A’aron…work some magic!!.
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“…the team’s situation is not going to improve until Rodgers and his receivers work out their problems. but it looks like they will have to do it the hard way.” – AR
^YES^….not the EASY way by having a #1 and #2 receiver on the roster and a go to tight end…..like most successful teams have!!
You tell em Andrew!!
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“The fact that he took so long to renew his commitment to the team this summer was a major factor in Davante Adams leaving.” – AR
^YES^….the fact that Adams hated the Packers and wanted to leave anyway wasn’t a factor whatsoever, regardless of the money.
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Adams left and that was Rodgers fault, of course.
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All these offensive woes mentioned in this article, have absolutely nothing to do with Gute, which would explain why his name wasn’t mentioned one time.
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Rodgers mentions = 9 times
Gutekunst mentions = 0 times
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In Summary …Rodgers needs to do a hell of a lot better job, doing Gutekunst job
“However we got here, Rodgers is the leader of the Green Bay offense, and the recovery will largely be his responsibility.” – AR
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RECOVERY = Fixing someone else’s roster and draft personnel fuck ups.
“However we got here,”….lol
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It ain’t know secret brother, we all know how we got here.
Sure, the Packers could make the playoffs. Then what? Flounder around like they have the past several seasons and come up short yet again? Get those late round draft picks to do what with? I mean Gute can fuck up earlier round picks just as well as he’s proven he can fuck up the later round picks, so what really changes? Make the playoffs, blow the draft. Don’t make the playoffs, blow the draft. What most people wanna know is are the Packers capable of winning another Superbowl in their relative lifetimes. I probably don’t have another 30 years to wait.
See…This is what i’m talking about. Empac isn’t trying to be negative, he lives where i live, in realty.
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There is nothing wrong with hoping the Packers turn it around, wishing they sign a receiver to help them slip into the playoffs. Have at it.
I’d like to be that optimistic, but doing so would be phony (for me) because that’s not what my eye’s see.
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But yea…i’d love to see the Packer’s in the playoffs, no matter a wild card, or the Conference #1 seed, or as the NFC North Division Champs.
Not that i expect them to win, but it’s the playoffs and we’re kind of used to watching the Packers in the playoffs.
But i don’t see it happening, so i don’t come in here Carrying the G, pretending…….everything will be ok.
Fuck….it hasn’t been ok for about 9,10 years plus and i’m getting damn tired of watching these circus clowns mismanage this team..
To be honest, from my seat, i don’t see them getting in the playoffs, but we’ll see.
BROKEN
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Credit when due, but otherwise i’m calling it….as i see it.
As i have since day 1.
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Garbage in, garbage out.
Example…..”Royce Newman is a 10 year starter!!”.
Excuse me, but shut the fuck up lettuce head.
Talk about your vikings Barney, they are 6-1.
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But then again, i remember when the vikings were 5-0 and missed the playoffs.
Put on your Favre Jersey Tommi, grab some cheetos and twinkies and enjoy your vikings run as long as you can.
Leave the Royce Newman talk to Packer fans Princess, you’ve proven time and time again, you don’t know shit.
Once Rodgers leaves we will never see a Super Bowl in our lifetime. Sometimes you need to cut bait & move on. I think cutting LaFluer & Gutekunst now is right choice. LaFluer only has 1 yr left we’d have to eat.. They dont need to continue this BS of extending him only to shit can him later and eat 3-4 yrs of salary, see Infante, Sherman, coaches they extended to only fire them anyway & kept paying them afterword . I see NOTHING in Lafluer that leads me to believe he can win anything. He has great rec only because of Rodgers. Its hit rock bottom this yr because Gutekunst drafting is atrocious and we dont add talent anywhere. My opinion they should get Sean Payton. I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK who disagrees with me. Thats my Opinion. I’m sure they’ll do nothing (Packer Way) stay status quo & fire Lafluer 2-3 yrs down road & were no better off and wasted more time!!
No chance in Hell. They have 5 Ls already & have Dallas, Philly, Tenn, Miami. thats 9. 8-9 wont do it. Plus its no guarantee they beat anyone the way they play. HOW CAN this Org brg Lafluer back???? and keep Fan Base. Under Lafluer were always soft, no adjustments ever made, bad special teams, overrated defense, POOR in game decisions. If hes back, I really dont get it. Does anyone think he’ll ever win SB, I don’t. Home field 2x & we were outcoached each time. Firing him would be only glimmer on terrible year.
Unfortunately, Mike, I don’t think the Packers will fire McFleur. They aren’t dealing with Ron Wolf who realized what a mistake he made when he hired Ray Rhodes and immediately rectified that situation.
If we want to talk about how some of the Packers fortunes ended up where they are today, Ron Wolf certainly takes his share of the blame. Hiring Holmgren who had no head coaching experience was a gutsy move that worked out fabulously. After that, it gets a little murky. Not wanting to give Holmgren personnel responsibilities which caused Holmgren to go to Seattle. Followed by hiring Ray Rhodes, because “he (Wolf) desired a head coach with experience” when Andy Reid was already in Green Bay and got passed over. Reid might have been the second coming of Holmgren, and Favre might not have been quite the shithead he turned into, but we’ll never know.
The Ray Rhodes hiring also led to McCarthy getting hired years later since McCarthy was on that staff Rhodes put together, so there was familiarity which Thompson went with over Sean Payton. But lets not get ahead of ourselves. Wolf doing an about face and hiring Mike Sherman who had never been a head coach, AND giving him personnel responsibilities that he wasn’t willing to give to Holmgren? That made a lot of sense. And who can remember Wolf’s last great act as GM in the draft of 2001, Jamal Reynolds. All throughout, beginning in the 90’s the Packers drafting defensive help in the 1st round have pretty much been failures. Look at this list.
Tony Bennett. Vinnie Clark. Terrell Buckley (Troy Vincent anyone?). Wayne Simmons/George Teague. Craig Newsome. Vonnie Holiday. Antuan Edwards. Jamal Reynolds. Nick Barnett. Ahmad Carroll. A.J. Hawk. Justin Harrell. B.J. Raji/Clay Mathews. Nick Perry. Datone Jones. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. Damarious Randall. Kenny Clark. Kevin King. Jaire Alexander. Rashan Gary. Eric Stokes. Quay Walker. That is some world class overall suck right there. But that same history ought to give some insight into basically 30 plus years of how the Packers operate. Not to mention the plethora of suck the Packers achieve when drafting defensive players in the 1st round.
No Mike, they’ve been operating this way for a long, long time. Relying on the fan base having eternal optimism and believing the Packer brain trust knows best. Even if other professionals scratch their heads at some of the things the Packers do. The Packers got exactly what they want for their philosophy of operation; an offensive minded head coach, a structure where the president (Murphy) runs the show like pre-Ron Wolf days, and for only a short period of time remaining, once in a lifetime, generational QB play for 30 years. Those other 2 phases of the actual game aren’t priorities. Unless McFleur resigns I don’t see any way the Packers terminate him until they have consecutive years of failure. And only then after being made the scapegoat for the shortcoming of others. Let’s hope I am wrong, but history says otherwise.
You make some points, but your criticisms of Ron Wolf are very misguided
After firing Lindy Infante in 1991, Ron Wolf through his decisions, brought the Super Bowl championship back to Green Bay
Some of his decisions were questionable after 1998, but Ron wolf is on doubtedly one of the best general managers in the history of the team
Doug is right….
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Ron Wolf’s work begin the moment he walked through the front door on his first day of work.
He had to change the whole culture of the Franchise, change the mindset of all the employee’s.
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He had to show people that just existing, losing, and making money….wasn’t going to cut it.
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Getting rid of a losing culture where employee’s thought that was ok.
To changing it to a winning culture and mindset….takes some doing.
That doesn’t happen in a few days.
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It’s a lot of meetings, a lot of showing people the door, changing mindsets. Not to mention coming in that building and everyone gets stressed out with the sense of….oh shit…i hope i don’t get fired.
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If you haven’t, consider reading Ron Wolf’s book….The Packer Way.
As a lifelong Packer fan, I realize there are certain topics that are almost blasphemous to bring up. I didn’t say Wolf was an idiot. Towards the end he made some decisions that were questionable. For instance, Holmgren. He hired him without Holmgren having any previous head coaching experience. Why, after Holmgren left, did Wolf decide now he needed a coach with head coaching experience and gift us with the Ray Rhodes experience? Who hired Mike Sherman after he was “blown away” by Sherman’s interview to be head coach (without any head coaching experience) AND gave him the GM role, again, without any experience? Granted, Holmgren sucked as a personnel evaluator, but he was a good head coach. What did Sherman do aside from ride Favre’s coattails and brings us the like of Joe Johnson?
People make mistakes, Wolf included. Wolf didn’t make nearly as many egregious mistakes, but let’s not pretend Wolf is untouchable. I would certainly rather have a Ron Wolf back in charge than whatever this clusterfuck going on at 1265 is.
Dang it…i accidently lost my post i had written out…my fault, not the site.
Condensed….I was talking to you Empac. I enjoy when your active in here and talking with a voice of reason.
I was just rambling on, on my thoughts and respect of Ron Wolf. My post wasn’t directed at you, just in general, my apologies if it read the other way.
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Keep on, keepin on 😎
See my response below. I’m not disagreeing with what Wolf did to change the culture in Green Bay. Look at the timeline I posted, same as yours. As you alluded to, he made some questionable decisions starting in 1998 that probably altered the course of the Packers.
Well, I see the comments still don’t work as intended. Nice!
No worries PF4L, I should have indicated I was addressing my comments to Doug so it was clear. Doug has the same 1998 timeline that I was going by. I didn’t mean to imply Wolf was a crappy GM, only that he made some questionable choices that also impacted the Packers. Not in the egregious way the current regime has mind you.
I mean hell even Bob Harlan, who we all know is revered for bringing in Ron Wolf and is an all-around good dude by all accounts, is a bit culpable here. Harlan almost made the mistake of bringing in John Jones, and it was Harlan who replaced Jones with Murphy. I have no doubt Wolf and Harlan only had the best intentions for the Green Bay Packers organization in mind. Unfortunately, the fortunes of the Packers are somewhat tied to decisions both men made late in their careers. Again, not in the egregious way the current administration has done, but their decisions did have an impact from coaching, draft picks and the current President. Mark Murphy will never be confused will Bob Harlan no matter how many sledding hills Murphy develops.
I remember when John Jones was hired, he was removed almost as fast as he was hired. If i’m remembering that right.
The Packers have won a lot of games the last 30 years because of Hall of Fame QB play. Ted Thompson was the guy who studied the tape for both Favre and Rodgers. Wolf turned to Thompson to review Favre’s play and make a recommendation when Wolf was considering him and Thompson himself reviewed Rodgers. Folks bashed Thompson at the end, but he’s a big reason for the Packers success.
Deep, nobody is disputing the fact the Packers had a pretty good run for 30 years. But only 2 Superbowls? Let’s put that into perspective. We won’t use the Lombardi Packers as a barometer. The Giants with one Eli Manning had 2 Superbowls in 5 years. Woulda, coulda, shoulda I get it, seems the Packers didn’t capitalize on their good fortune for a multitude of reasons and underachieved.
I’m not so sure Ted had a lot to do with the Favre trade. Wolf hired Thompson as a scout in 1992, his first job in the NFL after his playing days.
Did Wolf have Ted look at Favre’s tape….idk…maybe
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But Wolf’s infatuation with Favre happened before Ted or Wolf even knew they were going to be with the Packers.
Matter of fact, Wolf’s appetite for Favre, happened long before Ted was even hired.
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“Wolf became fascinated with Favre long before that 1992 trade with Atlanta. Previously a front-office assistant with the Jets, Wolf had Favre ranked as his No. 1 player in the 1991 NFL Draft and unsuccessfully attempted to trade up for him. New York was without a first-round pick, though, leaving Gang Green to only watch as the Falcons grabbed Favre at No. 33 overall.
Fast-forward to Dec. 1, 1991, less than a week after Wolf was hired midseason as general manager of the Packers. In his first game with the team, Wolf found himself in Atlanta, fawning over Favre’s arm in pregame warmups. The quarterback wouldn’t play a snap of live action that day against the Packers, but Wolf was sold, pulling off the trade two months later.” – Marc Sessler
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http://www.nfl.com/news/wolf-had-to-convince-packers-to-trade-for-brett-favre-0ap3000000502461
The scary part of all this is they actually could sneak in as a wild card. The hope is that they don’t. I’d rather have Rodgers choke the remainder of the regular than do his annual shit the bed in the playoffs. It’s far more important we secure a top ten pick and draft a QB than be one and done in the playoffs. The whole reason Rodgers stayed in Green Bay was so he could “own” those NFL dynasties like the Bears and Lions. He better deliver against the 1-6 Detroit Lions on Sunday or he’ll be going to the bench sooner than he thinks….
Tom, do you honestly think that Gutekunst would use a top 10 draft pick wisely?
Doug, did you just happen to see the game? Those three interceptions and whatever that 4th down play at the end of the game was, that’s all on Aaron Rodgers. Sorry, you can’t spin this one on Brian Gutekunst or even Royce Newman. Brian Gutekunst can and will use his first round pick on a QB. Aaron Rodgers represents the past. He’s done. It’s time to start looking towards the future.
If Gutekunst uses a first round pick on another QB that means trading up for the Love pick was an absolute waste. Sorry, you can’t spin that one one Rodgers. Although, I know you will try.
Here’s what’s a waste Cheese. Giving Aaron Rodgers 150 million dollars. Now that’s a waste. After Rodgers embarrassing performance today, I don’t know how much more you need to see. But I know you all live in denial. Crazy ass Kevin is talking about beating the Vikings in the playoffs. He must be drinking some of Erin’s magic tea. Cuz the playoffs ain’t happening ladies. Time to give Jordan Love his shot. We have absolutely nothing to lose.
Did you forget who signed Rodgers to that $150 million contract? Your lord and saviour Brian Gutekunst. Do you know who has completely negelcted the WR room over the past 5 years? Brian Gutekunst. Their “#1” WR couldn’t even secure the #2 spot the last few seasons. But all of a sudden he’s capable of being their top guy because of some nice comments from his teammates.
OMG, Rodgers had a bad game. He said so himself, before you start claiming he doesn’t take responsibility. Maybe you should cling to this game and mention it in every post you make for the next six months. Trying to get Jordan Love some playing time under this offense so he can put something on tape would be a disservice to Jordan Love.
Not only was drafting Love a total waste, it had different levels of ramifications.
1) Created dissension (knowing it would happen)
2) Wasted 12 million in salary sitting on the bench.
3) Not having the services of the 1st round player you could have picked instead of Love.
4) Not having the services of the 4th round player you used to trade up for Love.
5) Panicking, and pushing cap money down the road.
6) Panicking and giving Rodgers 150 million guaranteed.
7) Missing the opportunity to look smart and trade Rodgers for a Kings ransom in 2020, while alleviating the salary cap issue.
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Is that enough, cuz i could think of more
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Most GM’s are terminated for that.
In Green Bay, you get a 5 year extension.
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BROKEN
It’s only scary to Tommi because he doesn’t want the Packers beating his vikings in the playoffs.
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Why would the Packers need a top 10 pick for a QB, they have Jordan Love.
You remember Tommi…you kept telling us (about 50 times) that Love was our next franchise QB.
But then again Tommi, you also told us Royce Newman was a 10 year starter, so what the fuck do you know right.
Small thoughts from a small mind. Sounds about right MMSUCKS. Hate on me all you want. Just because you and the girls refuse to admit Rodgers is done isn’t my concern. I tell you what I see, not what you want to hear. I’ll let you all jerk each other off as you worship little Erin. Just a reminder, keep the sharp objects away from MMSUCKS next week when Big Mike makes Erin his bitch. It’s coming and you can’t stop it…
Small words my ass. You are nothing but a pest GO. FUCK. YOURSELF.
And to think, JP could ended this viking fan troll 2 years ago with a push of a button 🤔
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So now, next weeks Cowboy game is the main event in Tommi’s life….
I’m sure we’ll hear about McCarthy vs Rodgers ad nauseam.
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McCarthy vs Rodgers.
Or its the team McCarthy inherited against the team that Murphy and Gute let go to shit.
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How about…..Kellen Moore vs Matt LaFleur.
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Or…Jerry Jones vs Mark Murphy.
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You think Jerry Jones has a slide and a hot chocolate stand outside his stadium?
I don’t fucking think so.
Advantage: Murphy
Even if they were to have the number 1 pick in the draft I have no faith in what Brian G and his crew of scouts and evaluators would do with making that pick. It could be a consensus no brainer lock that all the football world could agree on and they’d take a player that was at best designated to be a third rounder, and we know what success GB has with picking third round talent.
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This love that Gute has with RHAS and other metrics is nice but then we find he is drafting functional illiterates with single digit Wonderlic scores. No, I don’t expect Mensa candidates to play football but if you want to tout a complex and multi-varied scheme and playbook it would be really nice to have players who can read and understand such a playbook without making excuses that they might just have dyslexia or something on that order. It helps to be able to play pro level football without having to share a brain.
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Then when evaluating and drafting players would it be too much to ask that you don’t blow your load on someone who needs an immediate trip to the surgeon? Kevin King was drafted with a bum shoulder. Christian Watson needed knee surgery shortly after hitting training camp. What the hell is up with that? Those are ridiculous decisions on high draft picks.
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I’m tired of the excuse that GB has routinely had to draft in the mid to high twenties and that has somehow hobbled them. Other teams have made that work for them.
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Mark Murphy needs to retire and be gone and Brian Gutekunst is not a good GM and needs to be replaced. If this year’s team does poorly and continues to do poorly and they have a high pick in the draft it should not be the current GM making the pick.
Someone should have led these comments with this…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oSFYxDGKy8
That’s the kind of verbage, leadership i’m looking for from MLF post game.
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I’ve rode with him, given him the benefit of the doubt…
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But damn….show us you have a pulse.
Look girls, neither Brian Gutekunst or Matt LaFleur gets fired no matter how hard you pray to the tooth fairy. Aaron Rodgers retires. Brian Gutekunst drafts a QB in the top ten then let’s the best man win between his draft pick and Jordan Love. Not unlike the Aaron Rodgers vs Brian Brohm set up that Ted put in place. Now, more than ever, it’s a QB driven league, investing multiple picks on a QB is now the norm. There is absolutely no future in a 40 yr old QB that can’t play anymore. The embarrassment in Detroit today is just the latest example.
If you need to pick multiple players in the first round at the same position every time you need to fill a hole maybe you need some new talent evaluators.
“There is absolutely no future in a 40 yr old QB that can’t play anymore.”
You don’t go from being the back to back MVP to completely falling off the face of the earth. There are many factors that play into the offense playing like shit. But that doesn’t play into your narrative.
As i’ve said…..the same exact thing with Jordy.
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21 TDS in 22 games with Rodgers, then Rodgers gets hurt, and in comes Brett Hundley…then all of a sudden, Jordy lost it and is too old….lol.
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Then, they sign Graham to 10 million a year….
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That was the first indication of what we had with Gute.
“……. investing multiple 1st round picks on a QB is now the norm. Just ask the Browns or my Vikings.”
The Packers had 30 years of 2 HOF QB’s.
They cost the Packers, a total of two draft picks.
Didn’t have to trade up for either one.
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Didn’t have to hang their heads in shame doing it (cough).
Have you had your daily dose of Ayahuasca?
Answer the man Tommi.
PF4L 1 hour ago
Not only was drafting Love a total waste, it had different levels of ramifications.
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3) Not having the services of the 1st round player you could have picked instead of Love.
6) Panicking and giving Rodgers 150 million guaranteed.
7) Missing the opportunity to look smart and trade Rodgers for a Kings ransom in 2020, while alleviating the salary cap issue.
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This is the issue and why it primarily focuses on the office. When they took Love it was agreed upon, everyone knew that Rodgers days were numbered in Green Bay. Fine, that’s life, every base has to move on and father time is undefeated. Fans may not like it but they all know no one plays forever and it’s better to get rid of them early than hang on to them late. Bill Belichik has been praised for this for fucking decades now.
When points 6 and 7 come in they completely stepped back on the plan and put the team where it is now. Love may not be the answer, doesn’t seem like he is to the staff. But even if he was there’s no one on the offense for him to play with! The picks we had were wasted and bad, the picks we could and SHOULD have had for Rodgers at that time would have probably been spent on better players if this office could pick them right. Instead it’s a giant jumblefuck with no direction except plummeting down. This rebuild has become a train wreck that we’re going to be trying to clean up for several years.
The other points made sense as well but I feel they’re just byproducts of the main points I left up there. The points highlighted are mutually exclusive. Go with Love and trade Rodgers? Cool. Go with Rodgers and never draft Love? Cool. Draft Love, create a madhouse, panic and extend Rodgers? Now you’re drafting and maintaining two different teams on two different paths, that shit don’t work and it shows.
Right. Make a decision and stick with it. Gute has one foot in the door, one foot out the door, and it’s gotten them nowhere.
After pointing out that Gute is the one who signed Rodgers to a new contract some homer down the hall tried to tell me that Gute didn’t want to bring Rodgers back and it was Murphy who made it all happen. That was the first I have ever heard of that theory so I asked for his source other than just “thinking it” to be true. Of course there was no response and I got down voted. If that is true, Murphy should be shown the door for meddling, aside from everything else.
Love, positivity, and gratitude only.
I can’t help but wonder….why we drafted AJ Dillon.
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He had a first and goal on the 1, for no gain.
Then had a 3rd and goal at the one, and lost a half yard.
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Where are these Godzilla sized thighs that can truck people over?
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I just don’t see where this guy is any more productive than Jamaal Williams was.
Three weeks ago we held the 16th pick in the NFL draft. As of today, it’s now pick number 9. In three more weeks it will be top 5. We will have access to one of the top QB talents in this years deep QB draft class. You take advantage of that and draft one. The only question that remains is which one. That’s the focus now ladies. It’s called the future. Aaron Rodgers doesn’t come back to this. Not for 50 million, not for 100 million. The longer he plays like he did yesterday the harder it is to blame everyone else. They’ll be no more fixing this team for Erin. The real world holds Erin accountable. The real world doesn’t shelter and coddle Erin. You ladies aren’t the real world. Go tell each other Erin is the best ever. No one is listening…..
Tom M 9 hours ago
Three weeks ago we held the 16th pick in the NFL draft. As of today, it’s now pick number 9. In three more weeks it will be top 5.
I happen to know exactly what pick we’ll have in 3 weeks because Gisele gave me her psychic hotline number.
Good for you Princess, wanna 🍪?
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Did the psychic tell you if your vikings were going to win a playoff game.
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Wouldn’t it be cool to win? That would be the vikings 4th playoff win since 2004!
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SKOL!!