Clearly, not one member of the Packer staff saw a 3-4 record to start the 2022 season on the day Aaron Rodgers signed his extension. But as little Elliot in the movie, “E.T.” blurted out, “This is Reality Greg.” The Packers don’t have Spielberg’s option of taking it from the top. The Packers have lost three in a row and face the Buffalo Bills in Buffalo. A 3-5 start looks likely.
November 1st at 4 PM eastern time is the official NFL trade deadline. The 49ers have done a self assessment and given up big capital in future draft picks to get better this year. To make a move like that, a team must first believe that their team is a player away from SB winning potential.
The Panthers also made a self assessment and dealt a valued asset for the future. They correctly assessed that their team did not possess a playoff bound team. The Packers, along with every other team in the NFL, should be meeting to evaluate their roster and decide if it is time to double down or cut bait. The Packers could use a legitimate NFL receiver/playmaker. Is there any available? Only a small number of GMs really know for sure.
Would one receiver change this season? Would Davante Adams swing this season around? Possibly, but the Packer passing scheme requires time and repetition with Rodgers. Adams is not coming back. And Devin Funchess is not creating a championship in Green Bay. While the true assessment by the Packer front office will not be divulged in any upcoming press conference, it would seem clear that the Packers don’t have an option like San Francisco to cure their problems. They are more than one player away.
The Packers are strong at defensive back, running back, quarterback, and, as strange as it sounds, offensive tackle. All of those positions have potential trade value. As bad as the stats look for the last few games, Aaron Rodgers still has trade value.
David Bakhtiari might have limited trade value but would probably fail a physical. Jaire Alexander has trade value, and the Packers did quite well without him last year. All three of those players have contracts that can hamper the Packers’ future.
Alexander has the best upside and while he still has elite coverage skills, his tackling since his shoulder injury has regressed. But remember Packer faithful, all the Packers could hope for in a trade is what is vaguely called “draft capital” and “cap relief”. The Panthers gave up a top 5 draft pick for what will be an end of the round second, third, and fourth round pick next draft and one pick in the following year. Would you trade Aaron Jones for Christian Watson, Sean Rhyan and Romeo Doubs?
If the Packers are really going to self assess they should start with the coaching staff. The offense has a new coordinator and QB coach. One would think head coach Matt LaFleur is more involved in the game plans and play calling. The Packers have started games in decent fashion recently but fall apart in the second or third quarter… or both.
Now coaches can’t keep a player from dropping passes, but the quick hitches and other short passes are becoming predictable. The coaches have to look in the mirror and admit their game plans need adjustment. These assessments should not be done to point fingers or create scapegoats. Improvement can only come from learning from mistakes.
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Brian Gutekunst should know this NFL is a league that wins with star athletes. You cannot trade stars and expect to win. But good GMs also know when to cut their losses on old players that will not fulfill their contracts. There is a crossroads coming for Gutekunst. It may have already arrived. If it has, does he recognize it?
Paul, the three players you list as having trade value can not be traded without releasing other players. The dead cap hits would be substantially more than the Packers have in cap savings at this time. The dead cap hits if the Packers tried to trade one of those three is as follows:
Alexander- dead cap at time of trade = 30 million.
Bakhtiari- dead cap hit at time of trade = approximately 36 million.
Rodgers- dead cap hit at time of trade over 150 million.
Green Bay’s current remaining cap for 2022 = approximately 16.7 million.
I don’t think the Packers make a substantial move by trading players or trading for player(s), unless the cost is minimal.
Adrian Amos may have some trade value for a position player of need, but his dead cap hit would be around 10 million. Maybe Lowery, but you probably receive next to nothing in return. Josh Nijman may get you a player at a position of need with very little cap hit.
Rashan Gary may have some trade value with very little dead cap, but that trade value could be more after the season?
Savage could have some minor trade value with very little dead cap hit. It may be of some benefit to trade Savage now like was done with Dix, just to avoid having Savage get injured and having to fully guarantee his 5th year because of injury. Right now I’m concerned that Savage may hurt himself flipping his head to look at who he believes blew coverage (beside him), or bust up his shoulder throwing it at the turf. When else does Savage really show up?
Do you know if it’s possible if the Packers could trade Rodgers next year without a lot of dead cap? I read this comment on Acme Packing Company where someone said that because the Packers structured his contract bonus for 2023 to come right before training camp, it means that they could trade him before the bonus and then the other team has to pick up the bonus, which is $59 million. I think they would still have $40 million dead cap, but it wouldn’t be $100 million or whatever else it would be. Here is the comment: https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2022/10/25/23422735/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-week-8-2022-breakdown?commentID=dbef1f0d-f2d4-4b86-a432-f4b93f56ecfe
I don’t want Rodgers to be traded myself, but I’m curious to guess what the Packers will do.
Joefan; the greatreynoldo is very good at cap issues. The guy gets into the details of salary cap as well as anyone. There is always some differences in how different individuals look at the cap implications. As an example if you looked at spotrac vs over the cap you will see some differences in dead cap hits for Rodgers. The biggest issue I think is option bonus calculations, and guarantees for injury after 2023. The option bonus parts of Rodgers contract can add a lot of dead cap if the options are triggered. I think the Packers will trigger the option in 2023, but not 2024. There are some variables with the option bonuses.
The reasons I think the Packers keep Rodgers for 2023 is the cap hit and % is almost as low as this season, and I don’t think the Packers have a better option for 2023 than Rodgers. I guess we should never say never, but I don’t think Rodgers walks away from the money for next year unless for health issues. I think Rodgers and the Packers entered this contract with two years minimum as part of the discussion.
Below is an article from over the cap that explains some of the various cap and money implications if Rodgers retires, is cut, or traded next year. One thing to keep in mind is the Packers can do post June 1 trade or cut that can spread out a dead cap hit over 2 years.
https://overthecap.com/looking-ahead-to-the-packers-options-with-aaron-rodgers
Paul, by next Sunday, barring some miracle, this team will be 3-5 with November games against Dallas, Tennessee and Philadelphia. We don’t win any of those games and even a win against Detroit seems unlikely and that’s with a WR trade. The only trade that makes sense is trading Rodgers but I’m sure his contract prohibits that. At some point, when reality sets in, and right now everyone is in shock, Jordan Love needs to be evaluated to see if he’s the answer. That probably comes in December but If your honest with yourself and realize the season is lost, I’d try and trade Rodgers now. Rodgers would have to agree and he probably wouldn’t. Gutekunst isn’t going to trade his core players to help pad Rodgers stats. That’s just not happening.
“The Packers have lost three in a row and face the Buffalo Bills in Buffalo. A 3-5 start looks likely.” – Paul
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“Paul, by next Sunday, barring some miracle, this team will be 3-5” – Tommi
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Good thinkin Tommi, i should write that down.
Reality check !!! There is NO way the Packers can trade or cut Rodgers this year or probably even next year. The dead cap hit would be so enormous the Packers would have to cut the majority of their players this year to meet the league salary cap limit, and that would cause even further dead cap hits. The team would have no players left to field a team. The NFL would fine the Packers multiple millions of dollars for still being over the cap. No telling what the NFL would or could do to the Packers for not being able to field a team. It would be a huge blow to the NFL shield, and that shield shall be protected at all costs.
It is insane to even discuss Rodgers getting traded at this point, no matter how much a person may dislike Rodgers as a person or player. Both parties entered this contract with the understanding Rodgers would be around for at least two years.
In Tommi’s defense…he’s stupid.
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You can try to explain things to him, but you can’t make him smart enough to understand it.
Right on PF4L. Tom doesn’t know his ass from hole in the ground
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Trade Rodgers? Are you clueless. W/O Rodgers this is a 2-15 squad, possibly 0-17. The organization has never embraced what they’ve had for 17 yrs. They blew his career, with NO defenses, No big time WRs, or TE & for years he had no running game. Face facts the Packers are POORLY run. Time to shit can this corp structure & get Owner with cash.
And what are we with Rodgers, Mike? 5-12? The NFL is a performance based business. It’s a what have you done for me lately business. And right now, Rodgers isn’t getting it done. If it doesn’t change soon everything will be on the table. And that includes starting Love and trying to get out of this horrendous contract…..
Tom…..on the level.
All your angst about Rodgers, is falsely directed.
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Who gave Rodgers his (perceived) power?
Who gave Rodgers all that guaranteed money?
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Whether you accept it or not, Aaron Rodgers doesn’t run the Green Bay Packers.
All your hostility and hate is a burden you carry every day. (That’s not a compliment)
You can complain all you want about Rodgers.
Your angst should be directed at the decision makers at 1265 Lombardi Ave.
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Rodgers doesn’t make up the roster.
You don’t think Rodgers should be the Packers QB, and i agree with you, probably for different reasons.
So why is Rodgers Green Bay’s high priced QB?
Because that’s a decision Gute, Murphy, and Ball made.
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Why aren’t you questioning Packer upper management, ever?
They are the ones who decided to keep Rodgers.
Obviously you don’t agree with that decision.
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But that isn’t Rodgers fault. What did he do that was so bad?
He accepted 50 million a year, 150 million guaranteed that Gute and Murphy decided to offer him.
Should he have turned that down?
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So do you agree with Murphy and Gute to give him all that cash and keep him around?
Because we haven’t seen you complain about that.
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Or do you just have a hateful obsession with Rodgers that rules your daily emotions.
By that…i’m saying you’re a mentally weak, and an emotional wreck of an individual.
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Rodgers isn’t under center for the Green Bay Packers because he put a gun to anyone’s head.
He’s under center for the Packers because that’s what Murphy and Gute decided they wanted.
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If all that hasn’t sunk in, and you still blame Rodgers for all that is ailing the Packers….
Then maybe you should entertain the idea that Murphy and Gute are spineless and weak trying to run a NFL team.
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If your smart enough to agree with most of that…God bless you.
If none of that makes any sense to you….i sincerely pity you.
One further….if Rodgers did make up the roster,,,you can bet your ass the offense would be top 5, not the shit show you see today.
In the words of Otter to Flounder in Animal House, “You fucked up. You trusted us”.
Owners meetings, I can assure you Ol’ Murph is sitting in folding chair in corner of the room. FKG useless
I have stayed away from this site for several reasons, including a buggy comments section, certain unaware people on here that are assholes and do more insulting that providing any meaningful, insightful comments. And I am sure the AR12 army is in full gear defending literally everything. I will leave it at that.
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This isn’t a good football team. There are several reasons for this, as a lot of highly paid players aren’t playing well, players have regressed from last year. They aren’t playing complimentary football. Everything is disjointed. When the offensive line blocks perfectly, either nobody is open, or a receiver drops it, or Aaron Rodgers throws a horrid pass or makes a terrible decision with the ball. Whenever things go right with receivers or the QB, a lineman gets “son’d.” The offense can’t sustain drives, and this has downstream effects on a tired and overworked defense late in games. I can understand some of the disdain for Joe Barry, but if guys can’t execute and communicate simple assignments and passing off of guys in zone coverage, that’s on players, and not the DC.
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There have been few bright spots this season, one of them being Rashan Gary which makes me smile as a certain person on this board bitched about him ad nauseum for a couple years, and him being so obviously wrong is great. Then there is Aaron Jones, who is being absolutely wasted this season not getting nearly enough touches.
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As for the trade deadline, Howard is right, as he usually is. They could be sellers, but they are incredibly limited on who can be traded. Gary is a guy, I wouldn’t trade unless the compensation was insane (two 2sts, like what was offered for Brian Burns). Love the idea of trading Savage. I am convinced the guy is a bust at this point. The biggest problem is the albatross of a contract Rodgers has. It was a bad gamble, and terrible decision to sign him to that extension rather than just trading him. He is going to be 39, and the thought that he was going to be an MVP type player that elevates the play of everyone around him heading into his 40s was nonsensical, as no other QB other than Brady has played at a high level like this, this late into their career. Some of his poor play may be also due to what is likely a broken thumb, which, let’s be real, would affect anybody. Maybe he rebounds a bit next year if he doesn’t retire, and stays healthy, along with gaining some chemistry with the young receivers. That’s what the Packers are likely hoping for, as they are basically held hostage at this point. Their cap situation next year is really bad, and they will likely have to part with Aaron Jones, their best offensive player, and possibly Bahk, especially if Tom continues to impress. There are some cap shenanigans they can pull with Jaire, Bahk, and Preston Smith converting roster bonuses to signing bonuses, kicking the proverbial can further down, and they can sign Gary to an extension to lower his cap number, saving approximately $25 million or so with the restructures, extension for Gary, and cutting Jones. At this point, they don’t really have a choice since it’s either try and win with what they have next year and hope for a rebound, or they just kinda stay bad while paying a QB a ton of money. Far from ideal.
Thanks for stopping by…don’t be a stranger.
The Packers are being “held hostage” by Rodgers contract?
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Is this the same contract the Packers willingly offered Rodgers?
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So….are they holding themselves hostage?
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I gotta find a pen, this is good stuff.
See P4FL this is one of those times you show you can be just as big of a malcontent as Tom or Killer. You certainly can say you are being held by hostage by a player’s contract without it meaning your a douche bag who likes to diss THAT player. I mean take a chill pill. Not everything is literal. Especially in chat rooms about sports. I dont think its unfair to say Rodger’s contract may start holding the Packers hostage. I also wouldnt blame Rodgers, we paid him that. Doesnt change the fact that his contract probably is, and probably could become an oversized anchor to the depths or mediocracy for this team.
Are the Packers being held hostage with the Bakhtiari contract?
I feel weird saying they are being “held hostage” by a contract, but ok.
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Are the Packers being held hostage by Za’darius Smiths dead money this season of 11.4 million?
Turners 5.8 million?
Kevin Kings 3 million?
I’m thinking 20 million could have bought a pretty good receiver or two.
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But then again, what do i know. I thought that the 12th pick of a draft should be starting instead of being a bench player for 2 seasons. Silly me.
Oh, so you want an immediate starter that will be league average, and not someone that has turned into an elite pass rusher? Silly me. The instant gratification generation. You just can’t admit you were wrong can you you wiley c***
Rebel, it’s people specifically like PF4L that thinks he is more clever than anyone else and has literally no self awareness that I have stayed off this site. I disagree with a lot of people on a lot of things, but usually it’s left at that. Piffle is an arrogant ass and is probably the most off putting person I have ever encountered on the internet. He is like that guy your daughter brings to Thanksgiving to meet your family and just starts getting loud and obnoxious after one glass of wine convinced he knows better than you and starts belittling your sons over core political beliefs like limited government vs large government or because they prefer hoppy IPAs over a crisp pilsner calling them “hipsters” and “pussies.” And then soon I decide I have had enough of this douche nozzle and tell my daughter politely to either get him out of the house otherwise I am beating him with a baseball bat and he is leaving in an ambulance.
WOW…That’s quite a story…lol
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You really sound tough!!
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You may want to consider doing something about your internet anger issues…holy shit.
You may consider doing something about your own self confidence issues other than constantly belittling and putting people down on the internet like a douchebag. Do some self reflection and think about if you would say this shit to a stranger’s face at a bar. I sure as fuck know I would put up with your shit for 5 minutes max. Just a friendly suggestion, take it or leave it. It’s weird being lectured about supposed anger issues from a guy that is quite the keyboard warrior himself.
WOW…That’s quite a story…lol
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You really sound tough!!
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You may want to consider doing something about your internet anger issues…holy shit.
The problem with holding the Packers front office accountable is the problem with holding anyone accountable for many years now. The Packers, for better or worse, are often a very forgiving and kind organization. They do have loyalty when it comes to some. Just ask Dom Capers. Just ask Mo Drayton. Just conduct a seance and ask Ted Thompson. Just ask almost anyone who should have been shown the door over lapses and failures in management for quite a few years now. Loyalty exists for some in Green Bay.
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Brian Gutekunst is not a good GM and needs to be replaced. Of the few positive things we can now say about some of Brian Gutekunst’s decent draft picks is that some of them might have positive value if the Packers decide to become sellers in a trade market, then he needs to go. Murphy needs to retire, be gone, whatever and thanked for his snow slide credentials but certainly be shown the door.
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I’ve avoided talking about the Love pick for a long time now. I actually feel damn sorry for him in some respects. But when his pick was made there was certainly immediate help and availability on the board that would have made this team a much better team for real time needs. For sure, it is a gamble, a crap shoot, a calculated guess. But in the draft they just haven’t done it well in the aggregate. They are going down a hole of making one mistake, the non-trade of Rodgers and then his expensive extension, to cover for another, the drafting of Love and some others. This team has been mismanaged and the time is coming for those at the top to have a reckoning.
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The front office are the ones who invited the cap hell that is upon this team and put them where they are. Their excuses are a creation of their own decisions and maneuvers.
Jordan Love was a miscalculated plan gone wrong, very wrong.
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Love will get his chance, just like Hundley did.
I find it hard to feel sorry for a guy guaranteed 12 million, he was basically set for life at 21 years old.
“They are going down a hole of making one mistake, the non-trade of Rodgers and then his expensive extension, to cover for another, the drafting of Love and some others.”
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Bingo. And now they have a WR room filled with #3’s and not a single #1 or #2. And they have no way to cover for it. But good thing they have a back-up QB that can throw to a squad of #3’s if he ever gets off the bench.
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“The front office are the ones who invited the cap hell that is upon this team and put them where they are. Their excuses are a creation of their own decisions and maneuvers.”
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Double bingo. Rodgers didn’t sign himself to that contract. Nor did he gut the WR room. Nor is he responsible for the $20 million in dead money for players that aren’t on the team.
And replace him with who exactly? I have my beefs with Gutekunst, but I have a hard time coming up with 10 GMs that have done a better job than he has over the last 4 years. It’s easy to blame a GM for team struggles, but in the end its up to players to perform, and coaches to hold those players accountable if they aren’t doing so. As I said guys like Aaron Rodgers, Darnell Savage, DeVondre Campbell, AJ Dillon, Adrian Amos have all regressed from last year. Elgton Jenkins hasn’t looked the same, and Bahk has had his issues getting on and staying on the field although when he is on it he has been about as good as ever. I honestly will never get the hate for Gute, as this team has been one of the most talented for a few years now. WR looks glaring but there is literally no team in the league that is going to be loaded at every position group year in and year out in the salary cap era.
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Like, did John Schneider just suddenly forget how to pick talent after assembling the second best defense of the decade and a team that played in two super bowls? Arm chair GMs drive me nuts, it is insanely difficult in a salary cap league to build teams and keep them together while continually hitting on draft picks.
It helps to be successful when you have Aaron Rodgers winning MVP’s, unless of course a GM purposely ignores the pass catching talent since 2018 because he’s more interested in the defense and picking his new franchise QB…..ya know, the guy sitting over on the bench for 3 years not contributing, along with the 4th round pick that disappeared to get him.
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Not that the 4th round pick matters, because Gute hasn’t drafted anyone worth mentioning in his first 4 drafts from rounds 3-7…
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You seem frustrated though…maybe you should grab a baseball bat and go swing it at an oak tree a few times, release some tension.
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Don’t worry…Be Happy 😊
Just listen to the nonsense you guys are saying. You want to trade away core players and turn this team into a rebuild. For what? Because you love Aaron Rodgers? That’s just beyond stupid. Under the best circumstances, at seasons end, Aaron Rodgers will be 39 years old with 2 years remaining on his contract. You don’t rebuild around a player like that. You move on from him. You all suffer from the Jordy Nelson syndrome. Thinking they can both play for ever and ever. They can’t. At 39, Aaron Rodgers isn’t the same player he was at 29 and it’s not even close. You don’t trade away young, ascending, core players like Gary and Alexander for a 39 year old QB that refuses to run your HC’s offense and thinks he’s smarter than everyone else. We have 10 games remaining. If I’m GM, I given Aaron Rodgers 5 games to turn this around. If we’re in playoff contention after the next 5 games with Rodgers as starter, then he finishes the season as starter. But if the next 5 games are like the first 7 and we’re out of playoff contention, then I start Jordan Love for the final 5 games starting December 4th against Chicago. It would be an excellent venue to see how Jordan Love stacks up against Justin Fields for both teams. I use those final 5 games to make a final evaluation on Jordan Love. If he shows promise, then I tell both my QB’s next season will be open competition. If Love’s not the answer, I draft a QB in the first round. You are nothing in this league without a franchise QB. That’s the priority. Finding a successor to Aaron Rodgers. Not tearing down this roster so Rodgers can pad his stats. We’re way beyond that now. Aaron Rodgers, like Jordy Nelson, can’t play forever and now he can’t even win regular season games. What I think of Rodgers or how much you guys love and cherish him has nothing to do with it. It’s time to move on. It’s time to prepare for a future without Rodgers even though it makes you fanboys uncomfortable. Reality can be a bitch.
Could not agree more!!
Viking fan?
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I jest…welcome to Totalpackers.com….new guy
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“If I’m GM, I given Aaron Rodgers 5 games to turn this around.”
“Then i’m getting my GED so i can sound smarter than a 5th grader”
“Please join me later when i hold a Q&A session explaining to you ladies why i believe Royce Newman is a 10 year starter in this league.”
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Stay in School Kids!
“It’s time to prepare for a future without Rodgers even though it makes you fanboys uncomfortable. Reality can be a bitch.” – Tommi
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I was ready for the Packers to trade Rodgers back in 2020, as well documented.
Princess is correct though, reality can be a bitch. Here are 6 examples of reality…gone very wrong.
1) *Royce Newman is not a starter in this league (no matter what any viking fan says or what kind of drug induced conclusions are raised), as evidenced by Newmans recent benching.
2) The state of the receiving/tight end room
3) Jordan Love
4) Brian Gutekunst
5) Mark Murphy
6) Tom M.
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* Royce Newman leads the NFL in sacks allowed, even after being benched.
If Royce Newman was still starting, he’d be on pace to give up 12 or 13 sacks.
Not exactly the mark of a 10 year NFL (COUGH) starter.
“If Love’s not the answer, I draft a QB in the first round.” – Princess
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LOL…Now there, is a great idea Scooter!!!!
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Lets have Gute…..pick another QB in the 1st round!!
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WHAT COULD GO WRONG!?!? 🤔
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Never lose that sense of humor Lonely Boy.
According to Kevin and the rest of you ladies this season has already been a success. We won the super bowl in September when Rodgers beat Brady. That’s pretty pathetic. Kevin says, “fuck Tom Brady and his 7 super bowl rings!” “We beat Tampa in September!” You’ll remember that game girls, when your hero put up no points in the second half. A game for the ages to be sure. Yes, Royce Newman is this years Kevin King. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a franchise QB that actually won regular season games and playoff games and you didn’t have to blame obscure 4th round draft picks? I know, I’m talking crazy! Kevin tells us Jordan Love is a bust. Kevin also told us Tim Boyle and Kurt Benkert were NFL QB’s. You’ll understand then, Kevin, why I want to see more from Love before I take your word for it. If you’ll notice, Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mac Jones, and even Trevor Lawrence are hardly setting the league on fire. It’s hard to be a franchise QB. It’s just as hard to find one. So Brian Gutekunst should just stop looking if he’s missed on Jordan Love? By that retarded logic, Brian Gutekunst never should have drafted Eric Stokes because he missed on Josh Jackson. I don’t understand why you’re all so terrified of Jordan Love starting games in December. If we’re out of the playoff picture. And if Love is as bad as you all say, then why not confirm your astute player evaluation by letting him start a few games? Are you afraid there might be something there? Are you afraid of upsetting Rodgers? Management is way past kissing his ass. I know the rest of you fanboys aren’t. Get in line and pucker up buttercup! They’ll be no player trades by the deadline. Gutekunst would never gut his roster to placate Rodgers and his meaningless stats. Jordan Love will start games as soon as we’re eliminated from the playoff picture. Brian Gutekunst will draft a QB in the first round if Jordan Love isn’t the answer. And Gutekunst won’t give two shits about little Erin and his feelings. He’s got a team to run and the next franchise QB to find. In the meantime the rest of you start your big circle jerk on why Gutekunst is the Antichrist.
“You’ll remember that game girls, when your hero put up no points in the second half”
You’ll remember that game too, Tom. When your boyfriend put up zero points in the first 59 minutes but you never acknowledge that do you. No one here actually gives a shit about that game aside from using it to call you out on your own bullshit.
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“Wouldn’t it be nice to have a franchise QB that actually won regular season games and playoff games and you didn’t have to blame obscure 4th round draft picks?”
You mean like how you blamed Tampa’s loss on Tom Brady having to deal with a back up left tackle and some back up WR’s? I know, it was so unfair. At least he rallied the troops to a loss.
“Are you afraid of upsetting Rodgers? Management is way past kissing his ass.“
Really? That must be why they gave him $150 million.
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“Jordan Love will start games as soon as we’re eliminated from the playoff picture”
And pay a guy $50 million to sit on the bench? Sounds like some excellent management skills.
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“In the meantime the rest of you start your big circle jerk on why Gutekunst is the Antichrist.”
Says the guy who jerks it in the corner all by himself to Aaron Rodgers hate porn. By you’re own logic you should absolutely hate Gutekunst because he’s the one that signed Rodgers to the biggest contract in the NFL. Or is that just another pesky detail that you conveniantly leave out of your vitriol?
Wait…Gute gave Rodgers 150 million?
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You mean…Rodgers didn’t give that to himself?
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Man…i gotta stop drinkin.
Anybody else besides me follow the Packers prior to the arrival of Favre? This team with its issues looks exactly like those late 80s teams. The problems we see today with the offensive line and receivers are very similar to those late 80s teams. The answer, everyone said at the time, was to bring in a receiver to boost the offense. So the Packers drafted Sterling Sharpe. Now Sharpe really was a Hall of Fame caliber receiver, no question a guy like him would change the Packers fortunes today, right? Nope. Even with the great Sterling Sharpe, the Packers still had losing records 3 of his first 4 years. The offense was anemic, the offensive line could not block, the Packers couldn’t run the ball. The moment Favre came along however, suddenly the offensive line could block and the receivers made plays and the Packers started winning. Favre’s first game he played in against the Bengals, the game winning TD was to Kitrick Taylor, a Plan B free agent who had been a cast off from 4 other teams. You see, if you have a quarterback who can actually throw the ball accurately down field and make plays, everything in the offense opens up. Rodgers used to be a quarterback who could do that.
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There are several problems with this team, but I blame Rodgers the most. Quarterback play is the most important factor in offensive production. It opens up everything else and right now he’s not getting it done. The receivers are getting open. Instead he’s going on TV saying its everyone’s fault but his. Either he is “quiet quitting” or he physically doesn’t have it anymore. And if he retires at the end of the season, which I think he will, the Packers will have to shed good players with the $75 million cap hit. Rodgers is off. Right now, he’s the equivalent of Blair Kiel, Anthony Dilweg, Mike Tomczak and Randy Wright.
Yes, I’m pretty well versed in the history of the team. I’ve been watching games since 1984
At this point, Tom Braatz probably had more success with draft choices than Gutekunst. As you will remember, the best thing that Bob Harlan ever did was hire Ron Wolf.
The accountability basically starts from the top down. As bad as Gutekunst is, there’s a power imbalance. He should have the final say on everything regarding the team. Mark Murphy should have no say in it. The board of directors doesn’t have the guts to fire Mark Murphy.
As long as the money from the fans keeps coming in, they really have no incentive to. I doubt Mark Murphy will fire Gutekunst.
Does this team really want to associate with losers like Joe Barry ? He should be immediately fired on principle
As others have pointed out, the team has too much money invested in Aaron Rodgers. Bring some people in to run the team with some Financial sense
“Kevin also told us Tim Boyle and Kurt Benkert were NFL QB’s.” – Lonely Boy
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Call me crazy…BUT, Boyle and Benkert were NFL QB’s.
Matter of fact Benkert was the #2 to Rodgers, while Love was #3.
By #3 i mean, inactive for every game.
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“By that retarded logic, Brian Gutekunst never should have drafted Eric Stokes because he missed on Josh Jackson.” – Gomer
By that same logic Princess…Gute should never again draft a player in rounds 3-7…because he’s fucking horrible at it.
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Speaking about being horrible at his job…
Tell us Princess, how would you rate (1-10) Gute’s decision to give Rodgers all that guaranteed money instead of yielding all that draft capital and eliminating the salary cap problem?
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” Brian Gutekunst will draft a QB in the first round if Jordan Love isn’t the answer.” – Tommi
BRAVO!! TOM M….BRAVO!!….What could go wrong!?!?
Maybe the next time Gute wants to spend a 1st round pick on a QB, he should just retire instead of putting the team in a tailspin.
But ya, lets see what Love can do against a 1st teams defense in the regular season.
He looked so good in pre-season against scrubs.
That pre-season was HUGE for him….lol
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” And if Love is as bad as you all say, then why not confirm your astute player evaluation by letting him start a few games? Are you afraid there might be something there? Are you afraid of upsetting Rodgers?”
Yes!!….is this the same thing when you told us that Love was breathing down Rodgers neck and Rodgers was afraid of losing his starters job to Love?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
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To recap an earlier statement……
We’ve all tried explaining things to Tommi, but we can’t make him smart enough to understand it.
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You can’t fix stupid.
The starting OL for last Sunday’s game:
Zac Tom LT
Elgton Jenkins LG
Josh Myers C
Jon Runyan RG
Yosh Nijman RT
All players drafted or signed as FA by Brian Gutekunst so of course Kevin wants to talk about Royce Newman. The OL played surprisingly well against a strong Washington front 7. Especially when you consider that no player, other than Myers, had started at any of their respective positions this year. But it’s somehow Brian Gutekunst and Royce Newman’s fault Aaron Rodgers is now playing to his age. Of course it is. Aaron Rodgers will retire and Kevin will be saying Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson could both still be playing. Making beautiful stats and winning awards together. Your favorite wet dream Kevin.
Well, lol…it’s settled then…the O line played 1 good game with the new lineup!! (Proven)
It’s all Rodgers fault!!
LOGIC…according to Tommi 😏
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So…what are you saying Tommi?….are you acknowledging that Newman was/is not a 10 year starter in this league like you professed?
IF you came to that realization…i’d have to say, you made progress in acknowledging the original stupid statement(s) you make (made). Newman is a nobody.
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Maybe you can fix stupid after all, idk….but i’ll need to see a much larger sample size.
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But for now, even if undeserved, i’ll give you the benefit of the doubt Barney because…that’s just who i am.
Good job.
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SKOL!!
Deep,…
Sterling Sharpe was Favre’s security blanket, the Packers offense started flourishing after Sharpe’s career ended.
Sharpe’s targets were….
1992….162 targets
1993….189 targets
1994…..159 targets
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To compare with Rodgers/Adams……Adams last 3 seasons had targets of….
2019….127 targets
2020….149 targets
2021….169 targets
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Favre had Sharpe to learn how to play in the NFL.
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Rodgers had Adams because the talent pool got depleted by Gute.
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As far as your whining of Rodgers….i get it, we’ve been listening to you since 2015, when you proclaimed Rodgers career was over.
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“Right now, he’s the equivalent of Blair Kiel, Anthony Dilweg, Mike Tomczak and Randy Wright.”
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Did you seriously write that Deep?
Please tell me your drunk.
I have advocated trading Aaron Rodgers from the very beginning and have said as much. I’m not an Aaron Rodgers fanboy like you are Cheese. And you can bet your ass they’ll bench Rodgers next year if he continues to play like this and he doesn’t retire. I don’t care what he makes. What’s San Francisco paying Jimmy Garapolo? 30 million? He started the season on the bench and they went with their draft pick Trey Lance. He’s only playing now because of a season ending injury to Lance. The Packers could easily do the same with Rodgers. Money won’t buy you a starting job. He’ll have to earn it. And if it’s close, they’ll go with someone else. Aaron Rodgers will either retire or he’ll redo his contract to get the hell out of town. The Packers will not make it easy for him to stay.
Tom M 32 mins ago
“I have advocated trading Aaron Rodgers from the very beginning and have said as much.”
Tommi loves his fiction, that’s for damn sure.
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Tommi….Can i have your psychics phone number, my psychic retired.
You seem to have all the answers to the future.
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If your psychic isn’t taking on anymore clients, i’ll try to get Gisele’s psychic.
Tom said she was really accurate about Super Bowls n stuff.
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Just for fun….
PF4L 2 years ago
Aaron is a selfish fuck. Next thing you know he’ll be asking for a receiver, or a tight end or something out of line like that.. But i can’t say for sure, i don’t know the man.
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PF4L 2 years ago
Since i’m here and wound up again.
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We all know Gute said that Love “fell to them” as why they took him. We all know i have called bullshit on that. i have 3 strong (very strong) reasons why i feel that way.
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First, Ian Rapoport who is highly respected. Making no mistake, said…the Packers were “adamant” at taking Love in the draft. so much so that they had a trade worked out with Seattle (which they ended up not needing) because they traded up with the Colts. Listen for yourself from Rapoport. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000001111780/Rapoport-Packers-were-adamant-about-drafting-a-QB.
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Second…doing a little research, i found out that Gute grabbed one of his top scouts, got on a plane last Oct, to go watch Love play against LSU. Not long after, Gute called one of Love’s old coaches, and had a long discussion with him, about Love.
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Thirdly….Rodgers fell to to Ted Thompson, no one will dispute that. Jordan Love did NOT fall to Gutenkunst, like Gute explains.
How the fuck….does a guy fall to you, when you made a trade, to go up and get him??
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Jordan Love was the target before the draft started. Which is fine…but don’t stand up there like a moron and say….”Ah, well, umm, Love fell to us, and ummm, so we umm took him.
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It’s things like this, and past ill advised moves, that makes you wonder if Gute is in over his head.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/rapoport-packers-were-adamant-about-selecting-a-qb-in-draft
“Jordan Love was the target before the draft started. Which is fine…but don’t stand up there like a moron and say….”Ah, well, umm, Love fell to us, and ummm, so we umm took him.”
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This^^ The incongruence and straight up lies to cover his ass are so off putting. It’s the same thing with Murphy. Sorry dude, Love did not fall to you. To stand up there and say that, expecting everyone to believe it while other respected people have information that says otherwise, is an insult to the fans and anyone who doesn’t want to be spoonfed BS.
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Isn’t it sad that in 2020 the entire country expected GB to pick a WR to turn into their #2 after being one game from the SB. Two years later they still don’t have a #2 WR, plus now they don’t have a #1 either. That’s insane. Now they’re grasping at straws trying to find someone to fill those roles with “has beens, never beens” and some green rookies because they refused to address this earlier. Besides Davante, the last 1,000 yard reciever the Packers had was Jordy Nelson in 2016. This is not a cry to sign Jordy Nelson in 2022. It’s displaying that management hasn’t picked up any worth while receivers since Adams in 2014. Gute picked up that hat trick of warm bodies in 2018 that turned out to be underwhelming at best and Amari Rodgers is primarily a return man with 6 fumbles in the past year and a half. For as much as we griped about Ted Thompson one thing was for sure, he always kept the WR room stacked.
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Reading that article from Rob shows he was definitely on to something. Ouch.
Three takes, from Cheese’s comments…..
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1) In the last 3-4 years, we have been trying to figure out if we even have a #2 receiver (some of us already knew).
Now in 2022 we find ourselves without a #1 receiver, despite a receiver rich draft in 2020
How could this happen?
Whose fault is this?
Rodgers?
Mason Crosby?
The Bud Light guy?
The ticket taker at the slide outside Lambeau?
Alex Van Pelt?
Murphy and Gute? (Gulp)
2) Nobody has said or insinuated that Jordy Nelson can play today. But like Gute concerning Love, people like to wallow in their own lies.
There should be some other website for delusional viking fans who love fiction.
3) Rob had the content nailed down, besides all the time and research he had to put in for just one article.
We miss you Rob.
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I finally read Paul’s article above.
I love this line at the end, brilliant and profound.
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“There is a crossroads coming for Gutekunst. It may have already arrived. If it has, does he recognize it?” – Paul Edwards
Kudos
If anyone’s interested, probably one of, if not, Robs best article.
https://totalpackers.com/2020/04/gutekunsts-big-board/
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Tommi…don’t bother…you won’t understand it.
Oh how I miss Rob. Reading that article today and looking at those names hurts so much more than it did at the time.
As others have said already, Rodgers can’t be traded because of the dead cap. So then what? I think the Packers should trade for the best receiver they can get, even if it costs them a first round pick or more. I don’t see any other way to maximize their current roster and the contract they just gave Rodgers. If they’re not getting a receiver, then they just wasted $150 million to be mediocre because they have no playmakers on offense. They need a receiver anyways even if Love is playing. And if doesn’t work out? So what. It isn’t working out today!
Damn!!….nice post Joe.
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I think what may have happened, after they drafted Love.
Is Murphy and Gute realized Love isn’t taking them anywhere.
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I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that Murphy and Gute decided, this was there last chance at a Super Bowl, so they reversed plans, and they stuck with Rodgers, kept pushing money down the road, pissed off some players like Z Smith in the process.
Gave Rodgers all that cash thinking he doesn’t need receivers, gave the defense even more help in the 2022 draft (or tried to).
Last gasp to win the Super Bowl.
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Yes….Murphy may have given Gute a 5 year extension. Call it what you want. I’m calling it a early going away gift, because it’s a guaranteed financial umbrella.
The BOD’s/Executive Committee should have known better and never approved it. But they do what Murphy tells them because they are spineless.
But it’s ok, because they can raise ticket prices, concession prices, and parking prices to pay Gute off after he gets let go……and he will….be let go.
There will be a fall guy for all this, and it won’t be Rodgers. Sorry Tommi.
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I’d like to think before Murphy faces mandatory retirement in 2025, that he rewrites all the Packer bylaws he rewrote to give himself full power of football operations after hiring Gute.
Put them back where they belong, the way Ron Wolf intended it.
Let football guys, make football decisions.
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Perspective: Murphy had no experience in football operations before the Gute hire.
By Sunday night this team is 3-5. You don’t trade draft picks for a team that has very little chance of making the playoffs. Especially when Rodgers is likely to retire at seasons end. A WR isn’t going to make Aaron Rodgers look 29 again. No matter how bad you want it to. You can’t live in the past forever. Someone, hopefully the GM, is forward thinking enough to realize that. Gutekunst drafts a QB in the first round and then lets the best man win the job between Love and the draft pick. Not unlike Aaron Rodgers vs Brian Brohm all those years ago. If Rodgers decides to stay he’ll have to play a hell of a lot better than he’s playing now to keep his job. Just as Rodgers was terrified to leave for the AFC west and face great QB’s better than himself. Rodgers will likewise also be terrified constantly looking over his shoulder waiting to be benched if he plays poorly. He’ll retire rather than than risk hurting his brand by riding the bench. Rodgers can no longer win regular season games. That was always his trump card. That hand has been played and he knows it.
I agree. The sunk cost fallacy is a real thing. Even If you get a wideout it doesn’t move the needle enough. As things stand this could be a top 10 pick.
You also don’t pay an aging QB $50 million a year with no realistic way out of that contract for three years and than surround him with the receiver room he currently has. The guy or guys who made that decision have no business making a decision on the next QB to draft or any business ever making another draft pick for the Packers. You don’t live in the past but Gute is not the guy that should be making any future decisions for the Packers.
*you don’t pay an aging QB $50 million period
I think Aaron Rodgers would easily beat Jordan Love in a training camp contest. I understand that Rodgers isn’t 29 anymore, but I don’t see what the point of that statement is as it relates to where the Packers are now. The Packers extended him for a reason. His stats look horrible for sure. At the same time, he is still throwing accurate passes even though many are pointing out the few passes a game that aren’t. He threw a perfect 30 yard pass to lazard in the Jets game. So I guess I’m not seeing this massive decline that some people are. I think Rodgers was extended because their current evaluation of Love is that Love has a low ceiling. If the Packers believed Love was a better option, wouldn’t Rodgers already be gone? Maybe not if Murphy doesn’t want to be managing a post Rodgers team. I don’t getting a receiver means 29 year old Rodgers comes back. I do think it means that we can watch competitive and entertaining games. Plus, if Love actually does play, his career is going to be ruined throwing to the current group of receivers. He isn’t going to have any success playing behind this offensive line and throwing to Sammy Watkins.
This Sunday Nights game will be embarrassing to say the least. Be over by 1st Qtr. It Cuts me so DEEP watch this shit-show. I HATE Buffalo & all their FAT Loud mouth fans. I’m from there, so I know how Obnoxious A-Hole fans they are. I wanted for once to beat them in that landfill. EVERYTIME we lose there, last time Jordy dropped wide open TD pass. Depressing……
Never say never. Odds are stacked for sure…but bills could be over looking the packers…rusty from a week off etc.
I personally think bills win 35-13 or so but well see.
I’m going to go the other way in Sunday nights tilt. I’m going to go positive and predict a close, hard fought game down to the bitter end.
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Packers – 49—-Bills – 2
” A WR isn’t going to make Aaron Rodgers look 29 again, but it’s been proven to make him the league’s best player 2 years in a row, so what do i know.” – Tom M.
^Agreed^
” If Rodgers decides to stay he’ll have to play a hell of a lot better than he’s playing now to keep his job.” – Tommi
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You heard it hear first people….
If Rodgers stay’s, he could lose his starting job to “Player X” and sit on the bench collecting his 59.5 million dollars.
The Green Bay Packers … according to Tommi!!
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You got to get up pretty early in the morning to put one over on Tommi.
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Nice work Tommi….Never let logic get in the way of your sense of humor.
Thanks for the laughs 🤣
That Dudes back on the pipe
Kevin this is no longer about Aaron’s stats. This is a concept you and your girlfriends fail to understand. It’s to win a SB. He can’t deliver and he’s had ample opportunities to prove otherwise. With Davante Adams, with Jordy Nelson, with Greg Jennings, fill in the blank. No WR trade magically makes Rodgers MVP again. Rodgers claimed to fame was meaningless stats and regular season wins. He can longer deliver on those. Brian Gutekunst will not lose his job because Aaron Rodgers now plays like the 39 year old QB that he is. He will however lose his job if he doesn’t find a suitable QB replacement for Rodgers. You can bet your ass that’s what he spends all his time, energy, and resources on. Not trading away draft picks so Rodgers can pad his stats. As far as his contract, I say he retires and it’s a non issue.
Nice work Tommi….Never let logic get in the way of your sense of humor.
Thanks for the laughs 🤣
Only thing that would overlook this crud 2022. If at end LaFluer & Gutekunst are fired & we hire Sean Peyton as new HC. Imagine he & Rodgers together, be magic
How about all that magic Sean Peyton left in NO when he bolted? The only thing magic about Peyton and Rodgers is the tea they’d be drinking. This isn’t the end of the world. The Indianapolis Colts had the great Peyton Manning for years until a neck injury caused him to miss an entire season and the Colts to go 1-15. They drafted Andrew Luck and we’re set until injuries derailed his career. The Arizona Cardinals spent the 10th overall pick on Josh Rosen. They missed. It happens. The very next year they drafted Kyler Murray. Nothing buys a GM more time or more goodwill than hitting on a franchise QB. We’re looking at a top 10 pick, maybe top 5. Time to start scouting college QB. Brian Gutekunst is. He’s not about to save Erin….
Just get F%$K outta here, your inane clamor is exhausting. You forget the Jim DelGazos, Randy Wrights, David Whitehursts, Vince Ferragamo, Mike Tomzack days??? and slew of disaster coaches Packers hired?? Infante, Gregg, Starr, Bengston, Sherman……we had our share of Misses!!!..This organization has a generational talent QB & they have let him down. Because this Front office SUCKS. SHOVE Draft & DEVELOP up your ASS!!! Seems teams that are willing to dump draft picks & make trades, sign Free agents win a helluva lot more
Mike, you can’t see past the end of your dick which is firmly up Aaron Rodgers ass. What world do you live in that believes Sean Peyton or Bill Belichick or even Vince Lombardi could actually coach Aaron Rodgers? It certainly isn’t reality. Mike McCarthy and Matt LaFleur couldn’t coach him because they’re not as smart as Aaron Rodgers. No one is. And therein lies Aaron Rodgers downfall. His massive ego. Sean Peyton has been on the Colin Coward podcast multiple times talking about your hero. Sean Peyton wants no part of Aaron Rodgers. He’s a diva and wouldn’t run his offense. He doesn’t want the headache. Rodgers is making the rounds this week throwing his teammates and coaches under the bus while he never mentions that he’s playing like shit himself. Great leadership skills there Erin. I feel sorry for you Mike. Being an Aaron Rodgers fanboy is so exhausting. You’re constantly making excuses for him and blaming others for his failures. Just like he does. You’d rather live like this and fear monger about the future claiming it’s a return to the 70’s and 80’s rather than embrace change. Mike McCarthy in Dallas is proving he can coach after all now that he has a QB that will actually run his offense. I’m anxious to see if Matt LaFleur can do the same. We won’t know until Rodgers is gone. He’s got about 5 more games….
Lmfao keep dreaming bud. Rodgers won’t do shit. If you have to surround a $50 million QB with elite talent to succeed on offense, perhaps he isn’t worth $50 million
Christian Watson’s 2022 Looks Like Javon Walker’s 2002 -Jon Meerdink
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Mark Murphy Is On Course for the Pro Football Hall of Fame – Jon Meerdink
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These two articles made me sick to my stomach.
They taught me two things.
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1) To some writers (lazy) there is only one side to a story, their side.
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2) How easy it is for a fanboy simpleton to retain a journalist job.
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Mark Murphy HOF….?
He praises Murphy’s handling of the Favre (2007/8) drama.
And the Rodgers 2020 drama.
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But fails to mention how Murphy helped cause the Rodgers drama in the 1st place.
And who, no doubt had his hand in the Favre drama also.
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He clouts Murphy’s decision making…
But never mentions how he kept Ted at his post too long to the detriment of the team.
Until the Board had to instruct him to do his job, that Ted had to be removed.
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I could go on and on.
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As far as the Watson/Walker comparison…..are you fucking kidding me?
Written before Watson catches his 1st NFL pass?
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WALKER JOINED A RECEIVER ROOM IN TRANSITION
“When Walker was drafted, the Packers’ wide receiver group was undergoing a bit of a makeover — and had needed one for some time.” – Simpleton fan boy
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“Watson’s situation is virtually identical.” – Simpleton fan boy
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Gee……Walker’s receiving room had Donald Driver – 70 catches for 1,064 yards, 9 td
Terry Glenn – 817 yards
Tight end Bubba Watson.
Not a murderous row for sure…but fuck, at least they had a legit #1 and #2 receiver…right?
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I could go on and on with this also…..but then i’d have to have keyboard tough guy Kato, beat him with a baseball bat if his daughter ever brought him home for Thanksgiving.
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Ok, i’ll admit that last line me smile again 😉
Tom M
“I don’t presume to know what management thinks about Jordan Love.”
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But you presume to know (in detail) Packers plans for Love?
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What Packer management has said to Jordan Love?
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What management thinks of Rodgers (in detail).
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What’s next Ragnar….?
You going to tell us how receivers don’t matter?
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Are you going to educate us on how Rodgers couldn’t win a Super Bowl with Adams, Jordy Nelson….or (wait for it) Greg Jennings?
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Just curious, what provokes you to say such stupid shit?
A) The ignorance of being a viking fan
B) Or just plain old fashioned naturally born stupidity
C) Both
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Wouldn’t it be a better argument to explain to us how your vikings couldn’t win a SB in (forever), even with the likes of Chris Carter, Randy Moss, and now Justin Jefferson?
I see Tom Brady is a trendsetter this week. He led the Buccaneers to be the first 3-5 team of the year. And that’s with WR’s like Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and Julio Jones. I bet it’s because he’s not running the coaches offense and going rogue doing his own thing. Did you see him yelling at his OL the other week? What a diva. I bet the guy takes no responsibility of his own. Bill Belichick is proving he can coach after all now that he has a QB, Bailey Zappe, that has made his way into the Patriots hall of fame after only two games. Brady never did that, and never will. Brady knows that he will never be Zappe. He can only dream.
On top of all that……
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Did you see Brady’s body language!?!?
HORRIBLE!!
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I saw a look in Brady’s eyes that convinced me he was the devil.
During one of Gisele’s psychic readings, her psychic proclaimed Tom was indeed, the devil.
So obviously there is just cause to believe so.
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Maybe the Bucs should bench Brady and start Kyle Trask, a young hungry QB on the come up.
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Brady was once maybe, a pretty good playoff QB…especially when the good defense’s he had stepped up.
Or when M. Butler caught a SB saving interception for Brady, or how about when the Falcons did everything in their power to mismanage the clock, and make sure Brady had enough time in the 2nd half to mount a comeback, all while the Falcons played poor defense.
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Hell…i’m thinking about starting a petition.
Drew Brees retired a year and a half ago and excepted for a few diehard New Orleans Saints fans is already largely forgotten. Why? Because he won a SB in 2009 and spent the next 12 years collecting stats and losing playoff games. Aaron Rodgers career is nearly identical. Won a SB in 2010 and then spent the next 12 years collecting stats and losing playoff games. And Drew Brees had Sean Peyton as his HC. The same Sean Peyton that Mike Klocek tells us would make magic with Aaron Rodgers. Mike Klocek needs to lay off the magic tea. No one ever compares Drew Brees to Tom Brady. That would be silly. And no one will ever compare Aaron Rodgers to Tom Brady either. That would likewise be ridiculous. Tom Brady, Cheese, suffers from a massive ego just like Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers doesn’t have a monopoly on ego. Playing football at 45 is dangerous not to mention incredibly stupid. Gisele is putting her foot down saying enough already. She isn’t putting up with Tom’s eventual dementia from CTE’s. She isn’t wheeling him around in a wheelchair 10 years from now. Just so Tom can stroke his ego and play another meaningless season. And she’s right. Brady doesn’t need the money or the prestige of trying to win another SB. His place atop NFL history is secure. This is all to stroke his massive ego. Tom Brady foolishly picked football over his hot, super model wife. And for what? A Bucs team who’s window has already closed. You can bet you ass Cheese, Brady regrets his decision.
Tom M 30 mins ago
Drew Brees retired a year and a half ago and excepted for a few diehard New Orleans Saints fans is already largely forgotten.
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Stay in school Kids!!
“You can bet you ass Cheese, Brady regrets his decision, i can say that only because i know him so well.
Now i have to get back to my GED studies to clean up my English grammar” – Tom M.
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Stay in School Kids!
We got a new article Monday the 24th…thank you.
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Should we expect the next new article to come on Sunday the 30th, like last week?
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Just asking
It’s obvious Kevin you don’t understand how this all works. The owners of this site generate revenue based on selling ads. What they can charge for these ads is based on the number of visitors that come to this site. The more clicks, the more money they can charge. This thread alone has over 60 comments and probably hundreds more who read them and don’t comment. It all starts with you quoting your meaningless stats. Then I tell you what an idiot you are. Then Mike says something equally stupid like “ if Sean Peyton where our coach it would be magic!” Then Cheese says it’s all on the defense and that’s the real problem. Then I call you girls Erin’s fanboys and we’re off to the races. Essentially Kevin, we’re all doing the site owners a favor and they don’t have to post anything. Bottom line, you don’t need content to spew your nonsense. You only need a platform. This site give you a platform, content or not. At least I’m smart enough to see it. The rest of you crying for content are not. Sounds like you need to take your own advice Kevin, “stay in school kids!”
LOL…Yea, i don’t understand , please Tommi, splain it to me Princess!!…lol.
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Tell everyone here how Jennings didnt win a Super Bowl with Rodgers….you fucking moron.
Splain it to me Tommi, you so smart!!!!
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And you call yourself a viking fan?
When all you are, and probably all you’ll ever be is an internet troll TWAT!!
Sweet, precious, little Erin backed into one SB in 17 seasons. The same number as Joe Flacco and Trent Dilfer. I wonder if Joe and Trent have book clubs? Give medical and relationship advice, or council the general public on the virtues of magic tea? But then Joe and Trent were never known for throwing their coaches and teammates under the bus. Can’t wait until little Erin is riding the bench! I just hope LaFleur has the balls to do it.
Tom M 30 mins ago
This site give you a platform, content or not. At least I’m smart enough to see it.
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He tells us, in broken English of course…lol
So in one breath you tell all of us, that Jennings didn’t win a SB with Rodgers, and in the 2nd breath you tell us how smart you are?
Brilliant.
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Go back to doing what you do best Tommi…sucking dick like there’s a prize inside.
“Then Cheese says it’s all on the defense and that’s the real problem”
Lol, when did I say that Tom? Prove it. Oh wait, you can’t. You’re just talking out of your ass again. What else is new?
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Cheese
1 week ago
Unfortunately, those ten points wouldn’t have mattered anyway because the offense played like absolute dog shit.
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Cheese
4 days ago
Don’t worry, the offense played like absolute shit as well.
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What happened to me blaming everything on the defense to protect widdle Erin? Hmmm, it must have all magically disappeared.
Don’t see much talk about the hot garbage the Packers defense is again this year. Shouldn’t it be the top defense in the league with all the draft pick and free agent capital spent on it? Anyone check out the 3rd down efficiency of the D this year? What a mess.
That happens Arch when your defense is on the field most of the game, particularly in the second half. All because your offense can’t score points and can’t get first downs. It’s called cause and effect. But I’m sure that’s all way over your head…..
Tom M. I think this comment section is way over your head. Maybe get a clue from what other people are saying here to you. Check out their third down failures. That has nothing to do with them being on the field too much. According to you this was guaranteed to be a top five defense this year. What happened? And don’t give me that they are on the too much bull. Oh darn, I forgot, it’s Erin’s fault.
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Lol the defense has actually been pretty good. Would be even better if the offense could actually sustain a drive longer than 3-4 plays in the second half
Yes….
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If the defense can’t stop the other teams offense on 3rd downs…it’s nobody’s fault except for Rodgers and the offense( standing over on the sideline)….OBVIOUSLY.
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I gotta write this stuff down.
Here’s what I’d like to see Arch. I’d like to see the Packers start a QB that actually ran Matt LaFleur’s offense as he calls it. I’d like to see a QB that doesn’t throw his teammates and coaches under the bus. I’d like to see a QB that actually takes responsibility when he fucks up. I’d like to see a QB that’s more interest in winning than protecting his passer rating. I’d like to see a QB that’s more interested in football than educating the general public. I don’t want my QB to be a life coach. I want my QB to be a baller, all about football like Joe Burrow. I want to see if Jordan Love can play and I want to see if Matt LaFleur can coach. And if Aaron Rodgers can’t at least win regular season games then it’s time for him to just go away. And the way you make him go away is you bench him. No one cares what backup QB’s have to say. If no one is listening to his bullshit then he’s no longer relevant. Rodgers will retire if he’s not the center of attention. It’s time.
Tom, realistically Rodgers will be the QB next year. Jordan Love isn’t going to beat Rodgers in any sort of training camp battle, if that even happened. The organization can’t pay Rodgers this amount of money and resort to training camp battles as if they had two rookies. Not to mention, Rodgers would easily win that contest unless he suffered an injury. There is some chance Rodgers could be traded after June 1 2023, but they would still have $40 million dead cap for the season. I don’t think that’s realistic or something they would want. If he’s playing his cap hit is $31 million. But all of this Rodgers talk is kind of pointless to me. Even if everything you say is true, the Packers have to get serious fixing this offense. If Jordan Love inherits this team, he as almost no chance to succeed.
How is Love going to run the offense as LaFleur intended? Currently, the Packers offense consists of a lot of line of scrimmage plays, like dump off passes and screens due to the fact that they can’t throw downfield. I don’t think that’s what LaFleur wants to do, but that’s all they can do right now. So how is Love going to run it better?
“I’d like to see the Packers start a QB that actually ran Matt LaFleur’s offense as he calls it.”
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Once again, you have no fucking clue what the actual play calls are so stop pretending like you do.
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“I’d like to see a QB that doesn’t throw his teammates and coaches under the bus. I’d like to see a QB that actually takes responsibility when he fucks up.”
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What part of “we all need to play better, myself included” don’t you understand? Do you even watch the press conferences? Or do you just pick and choose what you want to hear so you can whine about it? We all know the answer to that.
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“I want to see if Jordan Love can play and I want to see if Matt LaFleur can coach”
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LaFleur has been coaching for three years. Are you telling us that the Packers have made it to the NFCCG twice strictly off of Rodgers’ pulling plays out of his hat? Stop creating this illusion that LaFleur is some powerless victim that can’t take control of his own team. And if he is, then maybe they need to find a new coach.
Just because you have to pay Aaron Rodgers doesn’t mean he has to start. The Packers will not make things easy for him to return nor should they. His days of preferential treatment are gone. Since January, Aaron Rodgers play has greatly deteriorated. The gap between Rodgers and Love might not be as great as you think Joefan. If it’s close, they’ll go with Jordan Love. And they may go with Love or a draft pick anyway. Aaron Rodgers is currently making the pod cast circuit throwing players and coaches under the bus and not taking responsibility for anything. The way you stop that shit is bench him. He’s not being a leader, he’s not uniting the team. He’s just being a prick. Explain to me Joefan how next year will be any different with Aaron Rodgers as starter? It won’t. The moment things don’t go Aaron Rodgers way it will always be someone else’s fault. Matt LaFleur has enough on his plate. He doesn’t need to constantly answer questions about Rodgers bullshit. As far as the offense Joefan, Aaron Rodgers does whatever the fuck he wants out there and he always has. I have no idea if MLF’s offense works or if Jordan Love can run it. I just know what Rodgers is doing isn’t working. It’s time to see if Love can play and LaFleur can coach. None of that can be determined until we move past The Diva and all of his drama…
^Mentions Rodgers by name 9 times^
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Killer….would/have you ever consider(ed) therapy.
Tom, I agree that just because the Packers are paying Rodgers a lot of money, doesn’t mean that they have to start him. I guess my point was rather that I don’t think that’s realistic. But I think the divide between your analysis and mine and maybe some other people here is how good this offense is in reality. In my opinion, this offense isn’t set up for success no matter what QB they have. In your analysis, Rodgers isn’t running the real LaFleur offense, so we need Love in there to see what it’s all about. I’m on board with that a little bit, but I don’t think the divide is that big. At some point, an offense needs play makers, and I don’t think the Packers have any at receiver. Maybe Watson and Doubs some day but not so far.
So all this talk about Rodgers supposed failings is a bit moot. In other words, I don’t think Jordan Love stepping in to replace Rodgers is going to have a better outcome. If Rodgers does play next year, then it will probably be just as bad as it is now, but I also think that’s true if Love plays. The offense that Jordan Love would get next year consists of Zach Tom, Jon Runyan, Meyers, Jenkins, and Nijman. There is one good lineman there and a couple decent guys. Bahktiari might not be back next year. Jordan Love’s receivers would be Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs. Lazard and Cobb will be free agents. Tonyan is a free agent too and might not be back. Same with Lewis. They might only have Deguara at tight end. Aaron Jones might also be released in the off-season because his salary cap will be $20 million. Then the rest is unknown because we don’t know who will be drafted. Overall, this team has a Gutenkunst problem, not a QB problem.
Over the past few years, the Packers have lost a lot of good players and coaches. The offensive line used to have Bulaga, Linsley, Turner and Lucas. Lucas was a good backup and once in a while starter. They traded or lost their best receivers this year, and Gutenkunst had to start over because his only recent receiver pick was Amari Rodgers, who is at the bottom of the roster. No team can have this many losses and still function or compete for the superbowl like the Packers were doing between 2019 and 2021, unless they drafted well which Gutenkunst has not done for several years. He is still living off of Alexander, Gary, and Jenkins, who were all picked 4 and 5 years ago. Alexander is the only player from the 2018 draft who is on the team. The 2019 draft is lackluster after Jenkins. The only person contributing from the 2020 draft is Aj Dillon, and maybe Love too in the future. Deguara is a no show on offense. Some other guys they picked are already cut like Martin.
They haven’t been able to replace most of the guys who left, and I think that’s the real reason why the Packers are 3-5.
Joe….
I commend you for talking to Tommi like he’s a decent human being.
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We all initially did as well….that was up until he started questioning other readers about their Mom’s and sisters, concerning their sexual prowess, which he just did again about 2 weeks ago.
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So if you get the jist that readers in here don’t care for him, that is, but just one of the reasons.
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He’s been under his username in here for almost 2 years, but a total of about 6 years if you include his viking fan screen name.
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I hope he leaves your Mother and sisters out of his conversations with you, good luck.
Hold on. This guy is “killer”? As background, I’ve been a longtime lurker of this website. On and off some years. I started to make comments again once they were fixed. But I do remember a guy called Killer who said that Cousins was better than Rodgers. I never saw “Tom” ask about anyone’s sister though.
That is the one.
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I’ve been here since 2011 under my actual name for some months, until i came up with my username i still use today. PF4L
PackerFan4Life
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Cousins…lol, the one and the same. He’s been obsessed with hating on Rodgers continuously ever since. It hasn’t stopped since.
I think back when the username “killer” was more active and even as a viking fan, he knew all the workings of the Packers including some history…weird right?
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He knew so much, others and myself offered him a seat on the Packer bandwagon as a fan to rid himself of his obsession, angst, and jealousy.
I guess he took us up on that when he created the name Tom M.
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A highly respected long time reader in here, showed us a post of Tom M renouncing his Packer fanship on a different site and copy and pasted it in here.
Of course he wouldn’t comment on it as he won’t reply to you if you call him out on any of his ludicrous comments, like…
Royce Newman is a 10 year starter (BS)
Mark Murphy was once a NFLPA attorney (BS)
The Packers guaranteed Jordan Loves 5th year option after the draft, before he even got to Green Bay (really, really, stupid BS)
and…well you get the idea.
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Most here, all saw Tommi’s comments about people’s Mothers and sisters….i’ll leave it at that.
Of course he won’t discuss it, or apologize, but that’s Tommi, what we’ve come to expect.
The King of trolling.
But you make your own judgement.
Maybe you’ll get along…who knows.
Wouldn’t be the worst thing in here for at least 1 person to like him i guess.
I can’t reply to your most recent comment, so sorry for the weird reply. Regarding “Tom.” That is weird….So that is actually confirmed? I’m not saying I don’t believe it. It just sounds weird. But maybe Tom is still a Packers fan if he’s commenting on here. Why did they proclaim that they’re not a fan anymore? Sometimes I wish I could stop liking this team (kind of joking), but I somehow can’t.
Look…..You can pretend Tommi is a Packer fan, Chiefs fan, a passable transgender, whatever you want, i’ve been here a few months or so, so………..
I really only care about what i see and believe, i’m not lobbying or trying to convince anyone. I thought i’d give you a quick heads up, i’m not having a long drawn out discussion over that waste of oxygen.
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Anyway…..enjoy the website…GPG!!
I think where we differ Joefan is what’s at the cause of the downfall here. You lean towards the roster and management while I place the blame on Rodgers himself. What appears to make you different than Kevin, Cheese, Mike and the rest of the girls is you’ll at least consider Rodgers has some culpability in all this. Aaron Rodgers hasn’t played a good game in well over a year. I’m talking a good game, not a great game. And that’s games with Davante Adams. So I’m not buying into the WR nonsense. Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan. All older QB’s that have hit a wall this year. While Brady and Wilson are saying all the right things:”we’re going to figure this out, we’re going to find a way, I love my guys” Aaron Rodgers is making the pod cast circuit throwing his coaches and players under the bus with his usual passive aggressive bullshit. I don’t like that Joefan. That’s the kind of crap that destroys a team. You think his teammates want to play for Rodgers? You think they’ve got his back? You tell me who Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs would rather catch balls from. Jordan Love who says just run the route and I’ll throw it to you. Or an eye rolling, “you have to earn my trust” horseshit saying, throw me under the busy because I made a rookie mistake, diva asshole. I’m saying Joefan that this doesn’t get better with Aaron Rodgers so why not start Jordan Love now? You can’t do a roster makeover mid season but you can change QB’s mid season and see if that provides a spark. The young WR’s would be more relaxed and the veterans would rally around the young signal caller. You wouldn’t have the constant drama that you get with Rodgers. I see it happening. We’re not there yet. But we’re closer than you think.
8 Rodgers mentions…
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It’s all Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers, Rodgers, fault!!! 😭
Can someone please tell me what GMs have been better over the last 4 years? Please? If you can’t name more than 5, meh. If you can’t name more than 10, just stfu.
How about doing this Mr. Angry.
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List any players that have made a difference on the field, from Gutes 1st 4 drafts rounds 3-7.
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Take your time.
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Then grade Gute on his signing of Graham.
Then grade Gute on his spending 182 million in 2 weeks on free agents.
Then grade Gute on the fact were sitting on 20 million in dead money over his free agent signings who are longer with the team.
Then grade Gute on his handling of keeping weapons around for a 50 million dollar QB.
Then grade Gute on his trading up for Jordan Love.
EXTRA CREDIT…….
Grade Gute on his trading up for Christian Watson.a
Grade Gute on his 1st round pick of Devonte Wyatt.
I’ll leave Quay Walker out of this for now as he finally made his 1st splash play
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Have a nice day 🤗
Nothing?….shocking.
Kato, when your diva QB can’t take responsibility for any of this and is blaming teammates and coaches. Do you really think all his fanboys are going to hold him accountable? Of course not. They’re going to blame the evil, insidious Brian Gutekunst. If your an Aaron Rodgers fan you always have to have someone else to blame.
” when your diva QB can’t take responsibility for any of this and is blaming teammates and coaches.”
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Again, what part of “we all need to play better, myself included” do you not understand? Keep twisting things out of context and talking in circles. It’s what you do best.
Preface: I love and respect the work Rob Born has done here generally speaking. But, looking back. He is one of many victims of post draft hype.
I’ve been saying for years…you can’t crown any players until they have played in the NFL and the only way they can do that….is to prove it on the field.
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Let’s look at Robs writing of Amari Rodgers from Aug. 23rd 2021, keeping in mind, Amari hasn’t caught one pass in the NFL yet.
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“Were some of you thinking I missed someone when I did a post entitled “Packers’ Roster Features Several Draft and Acquisition Steals”? Maybe I should add another name to that list.”
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“Amari Is NFL-Ready”
” Amari is way ahead of where Adams was at this point in his development.”
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“the film on Amari, however, suggests that he’s abilities are right now nearly comparable to where Davante was after five pro seasons – and this is before he’s taken his first professional snap.” <—-WOW
"I think and hope that ex-quarterback Matt LaFleur is perceptive enough to recognize that Amari is rare and special."
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"Amari Rodgers comes to the Packers as one of the most complete and skilled players I’ve seen coming out of college."
"He’s versatile – he might well win some games just as a return man." <——-WOW
"I’ll be disappointed if he’s not a starter for the Packers by week six."
"Watch some Amari Rodgers highlight tapes, and then tell me you don’t agree that Amari was a steal of a pick for the Packers."
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"Amari is a precocious talent. Put him to work, coach!
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It seems i can't scream it loud enough in the off season for the last decade……
In the NFL…..hyperbole post draft picks all you desire….but a player isn't, until he is.
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It seems i read a lot of hype about the Walkers, Wyatt's, and Watson's this past off season.
Sure…i could lay out some quotes, but why embarrass anyone, i think Packer fans are starting to understand what i've been talking about, finally.
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If not, continue in bliss in your dream world.
A player isn't a player in the NFL, until he's a player, and that doesn't happen after the draft in May, June, July in shorts.
Or the pre-season.
See Brett Hundley, you can reach him at home on any given Sunday.