In a game of inches, the Packers repeatedly came up short in the first half of the 2022 NFL season opener against Minnesota. On the first series, the Packers defense failed to slow down Justin Jefferson or Kirk Cousins. Cousins was able to find the time to pick apart the vaunted Packer defense on a drive that gave the Vikings a 7-0 lead. The first play of the game for the Packers offense needed rookie Christian Watson to bring his hands together and make a catch on a sure touchdown bomb thrown perfectly by Aaron Rodgers. Right through his hands.
The look Rodgers gave the sideline seemed to sum up every fear Packer fans had about this first game of the season. The offense is missing two all-star lineman. The rookie wide receivers had no playing time with Rodgers in real game situations. Rodgers look to the sideline seemed to say, ‘I told you this guy is not ready’. Unfortunately, that feeling spread to the entire offense and led to an up and down performance that produced no first half points. Yes, the offense got pretty close. They were a yard away and on fourth down. Instead of asking your four-time MVP quarterback to thread a needle, the Packers tried to run behind their patchwork offensive line. Another failure of inches.
Near the end of the half Rodgers sailed a pass past Aaron Jones on third down that the all-star runner could not corral, forcing a punt. Again, the look of frustration on Rodgers’ face was telling. At that point in the game, Rodgers had targeted wide receivers 4 times out of 13 attempts. Trust. For some Packer fans, Rodgers has the knack of turning “trust” into a four letter word. Rodgers ended the game with stats so bad they were worse statistically than Joe Flacco, Mitch Trubisky, Davis Mills, Marcus Mariota, Trevor Lawrence, Baker Mayfield, David Jones, Ryan Tannehill, and yes, Justin Fields.
The defense had confidence coming into the game based on the plays they made in practice. It was gone by halftime. The Packers defense had no answer for Justin Jefferson. Six first half receptions for 158 yards with two touchdowns. Jefferson out-gained the entire Packers offense by 58 yards in the first half. Any fan with a memory had to be having flashbacks of the 17-3 halftime start to last year’s season opener.
While there have been articles written recently about how changes in practice, this season will help the offense get ready for this first game, the articles along with the strategy need to be tossed in a dumpster. The head coach questioned the energy of his team at half time.
The second half only continued the disappointment for the defense. The Packers vaunted rookie, Quay Walker, did not make it out of the third quarter, injuring his shoulder. His backup, Krys Barnes, lasted less than a quarter with what could be a serious calf injury, possibly an Achilles injury. Now the Packers may have a serious weakness at inside linebacker. Even if Walker can return next week, it was obvious that the Vikings were targeting him in the passing game. LaFleur and Gutekunst have both said having Walker at ILB allows them to keep two inside linebackers on the field. Obviously, Walker is a rookie playing in his first real game so he will get better, but the issues on defense seemed to be as much a scheme problem as it was an execution or talent problem. The Vikings were repeatedly able to scheme a speedy wide receiver on a Packer inside or outside linebacker. It is hard to fathom that the Packer brain trust really thought matching Walker or Preston Smith on Justin Jefferson or Adam Thielen was a winning strategy. A defense that was advertised to wreak havoc on a quarterback could only deliver an occasional big rush with only one sack credited to the defense, as Kenny Clark’s big play was listed as a TFL but not a sack. The defense created no turnovers. All of these sad stats came against a mediocre offensive line and a quarterback in Cousins who has a history of giving the ball away.
Last year, the Packers laid an egg in the first game and righted the ship. This year the offense seems different. Yes, it was only one game. But the inexperienced offensive line made Za’Darius Smith look unblockable at times. Smith’s stats (1 sack, 1 TFL, 2 total tackles) do not accurately portray his impact on the game. At times he made the Green and Gold’s young line seemed incapable of blocking. He moved inside to face Jake Hanson or Josh Meyers and created repeated pressure right up the middle. The Packers need the return of Elgton Jenkins and Bakhtiari to happen soon or this season could spin out of control quickly.
Now Green Bay fans have watched their team sputter in their first game of the season two years in a row. During the week, there is no doubt that pundits will ask LaFleur if his preseason strategy needs to change. At this point, the only question that the team needs to answer is can they respond to this beat down and step up to beat the Division leading Chicago Bears.
Beautiful game. Really not nearly as close as the points would indicate.
If Watson catches that TD pass and Dillion gets another half yard on the goal line this is whole different game.
Matt Lafleur is starting to look like a younger, much thinner, and better looking example of Mike McCarthy. The very impressive record he has amassed in a few short years has pretty much been from riding the arm of Aaron Rodgers. Impressive annual regular season record in weak division but still not quite getting it done. Just a few more wins. The results in the playoffs are still, McCarthyish, and that is for a lot of reasons (including #12 not getting it done in the playoffs as well). Where Big Mike could wax poetic about “pad level”, Coach Matt can get mellifluous about “communication”.
Things confound me about why it seems MLF often seems to move away from what seems to be working and stick with what doesn’t. In the Vikings game that was the passes out to the flat and abandoning the run too soon. Then on the other side of the ball, Jefferson was exploiting the zone coverage and at times there was nobody in the same zip code as him. Adjust! Now it is okay to adjust.
When those first two time outs were burned to avoid delay of game penalties I turned to the guy next to me at the bar and asked, “Seriously, for how many years has this been a problem?” Maybe about as many years as Special Teams was a problem…
That first pass to Watson, had it not tickled off his dick-beaters, could have swung a little momentum, quieted a crowd, and really gave that young man a boost. It would have been cool to see him get a TD on his first NFL pass but instead we got an example of how accurate NFL scouting reports can be. He’s a work in progress and things will take time just like they once did for a young Davante Adams. It wasn’t the play that would have won the game, it is just one that would have kept them in the game. Feel the “look” Mr. Watson, feel the “look”. Because, for all the good effects of ayahuasca, the look is gonna be back at times.
It’s obviously Aaron Rodgers fault. If he’d of taken one revolution off the ball rotation Watson would have caught that pass. Hand the ball off to Dillon a half yard closer to the line of scrimmage and the Packers score the TD. Rodgers is obviously used up and they should cut him right now. Jordan Love would be an instant MVP.
Justin Fields was able to beat the 49ers on Sunday with virtually no WR’s. While the great Aaron Rodgers with arguably the best WR in the game in Davante Adams couldn’t beat the very same team in the playoffs. Fields, who did not play well, made just enough plays to win. While Rodgers looked like he couldn’t be bothered by it all in Minnesota. Some guys persevere in the face of adversity. Aaron Rodgers isn’t one of those guys and never will be. And it’s why he’ll never win another SB. The right side of the OL will work itself out with Jenkins and Tom. Nijman, who actually played well, looks to be the LT of the future. Both Doubs and Watson will be just fine. Erin, however, will always be Erin. How many more playoffs losses must we endure, how many more excuses do you make, before Jordan Love gets his shot?
Fire MLF and bring back a real coach like Mike!
The Bears didn’t beat the same team. The 49er’s new QB played awful. I don’t recall the Bears special teams giving up a TD. Aaron Rodgers has not played well in the playoffs, no argument about that. But without Rodgers the Packers wouldn’t even be in the playoffs. The Pack has way more problems than Rodgers not having MVP level games in the playoffs.
Paul, have to agree with most of your game analysis. I believe it was a mistake for LaFleur to go for it on fourth and one at the goal line. LaFleur should have kicked the field goal. I have commented before that I think LaFleur is to gung-ho at the early stages of a game. When your on the road, first game of the year, with an inexperienced offensive line and receiver group, put 3 points on the board. You may not believe you are coming away with a win on that series, but you have three points on the board without enduring the let down of a stop. In addition it changes the strategy of the game. The Packers would have been in much better shape coming out of the half down 2 scores rather than 3 scores. It may have allowed the Packers to stay with the running game longer. I think Hackett (Broncos) wishes he would have kicked a field goal rather than go for the seven on the goal line earlier in the game.
“The defense had confidence coming into the game based on the plays they made in practice.” I think the defense had confidence based on the SF divisional game last year against a damaged throwing arm, mediocre QB. I think the Packer defense became over confident in training camp playing against inexperienced receivers and offensive linemen. The Packers defense was dripping of over confidence. I hope they are over that misplaced emotion.
I thought Walker played well for his first start. The problem with having Walker on the field on every down is you have to take a d linemen off the field or leave Douglas off the field on third downs. I don’t think you have Douglas on the sideline on passing downs or against 11 personnel. So you take one of your big three off the field. If you do that then I think you need to have at least five potential pass rushers near the line, even if you don’t rush all five. Did the Packers bring more than 4 rushers? If they did I don’t think it happened often.
Here’s what I don’t recall Arch. I don’t recall Aaron Rodgers throwing two second half TD’s to come from behind to beat the 49ers. Justin Fields did just that. Regardless of what special teams or Jimmy Garapolo did or didn’t do. The goal is to win championships not lose in the playoffs, often at home, year after year. What do we really accomplish then if we know how this story ends come January? Is it worth paying Aaron Rodgers 50 million dollars? These are fair questions to ask. Look, the loss to Minnesota doesn’t really concern me. They’re a talented team, playing at home in a very loud stadium, and we were missing three starters on offense. What does bother me is Aaron Rodgers sideline demeanor. He should have been coaching up his young WR’s giving encouragement. It’s a long season and he’s going to need them. But Rodgers couldn’t be bothered. Contrast that to Russell Wilson several years ago when a young DK Metcalf dropped a wide open TD. Wilson told Metcalf shake it off, I’m coming back to you, I believe in you. And veteran QB’s do that all the time with their young WR’s. Rodgers on the other hand punishes his WR’s refusing to go back to them if them if they don’t make his stats pretty. After Watson’s drop early on, Rodgers didn’t look his way until the second half. It’s hard to believe Jordan Love or anyone else would play with such pettiness.
It’s more than likely going to end the same way. Why? Because the Packers brain trust isn’t really that interested in winning a Super Bowl. I know that by the bad managerial decisions they continue to make. Refusal to address the annual not so special teams issues. Who needs good linebackers or care about stopping the run. Lets continue wasting high draft picks on developmental players that probably would have been available in later rounds. They even may turn out to not be JAG’s although they need them to be impact player’s right away. Known glaring deficiencies but not addressing until years down the road, if ever. The average Packer fan is satisfied with getting to the playoffs most years and management knows that. Why hold anyone accountable, we made it to the playoffs so everything must be good.
I would have traded Rodgers a few years ago when they could have gotten a good haul of draft picks for him. Of course, who knows how those picks would have been squandered. No way I would be paying him $50 million per year. You drafted his heir apparent, let him play and see if he’s worth the draft capital you used on him. My belief is management already knows Love isn’t the answer, otherwise why would you keep Rodgers around at that massive salary. Maybe because they don’t think Packer fans would put up with 5 or 6 wins a season. Job security.
Do I think Aaron Rodgers is the greatest QB ever. No, I don’t. But what I do know is they will not be in the playoffs without him under the teams current roster construction and coaching staff. To be paying a QB $50 million per year and coming into the season with the current WR room is the definition of insanity.
Of course, if the o-line keeps playing the way it is we may find out sooner than later how this current team is without Rodgers under center.
I really didn’t expect so many screw ups in the secondary. One would have thought Ed “4-26” Donatell was coaching the Packers instead of the Vikings. Maybe the Packers were expecting a completely different offense, maybe they were just rusty. They certainly didn’t look like they have been running this defense for long. The receiver issues, those will take time, but the problems in the defense are unforgivable. It’s almost like they thought the Vikings would crap the bed so they could run whatever game they wanted.
Here’s where I agree with you Arch. I too would have traded Aaron Rodgers. I’d have given Jordan Love his shot this year. And if he’s not the answer then use all that draft capital to select one of the premium QB prospects in next years draft. I think management was prepared to do just that. After last offseason, I don’t think anyone, management included, expected Aaron Rodgers back. Basically he threw a temper tantrum over drafting Jordan Love and cutting his buddy Jake Kumerow. The guy he never threw the ball to. I guess Kumerow never had Aaron’s trust. After being told he was special and trading for his other buddy Randall Cobb, who’s basically another Jake Kumerow, he decided to stay. Lucky us. Essentially all that drama for nothing. Where I disagree is your statement that “management isn’t interested in winning a SB.” Compare the 2017 roster when Brian Gutekunst took over to that of today’s roster. It’s virtually better at every position, save TE, than it was 4 years ago. And in most cases significantly so. Of course there have been misses along the way. Every GM does. Ted missed on draft picks and so did Ron. But Gutekunst’s overall body of work will get him an extension whether Aaron Rodgers fans like it or not. The reason I think things will end the same way is because I don’t think Aaron Rodgers can win the big game. He doesn’t come from behind and he doesn’t handle adversity well. Two things you almost always face in the playoffs. As much as Rodgers fans love and cherish his regular stats and awards, they never mention his dismal playoff record and subpar stats in January. However they’re quick to blame the Kevin King’s and Royce Newman’s on the roster. You can’t be an Aaron Rodgers fan without having at least one scapegoat.
The Packers are stuck in total dysfunction. Sadly, many fans don’t see it because of LaFleur’s “winning seasons” and Rodgers MVP awards. They think this is the golden era, but the problems are obvious. I think Tom is right about Rodgers, but too hyper focused on Rodgers failures. This team’s lack of real success is also on Lafleur and to an extent the Packers organization. When LaFleur was hired as coach, he wanted Darren Rizzi for special teams, but the Packers were cheap and he signed with the Saints who have had much better special teams than the Packers. If that move was made in 2019, the Packers would’ve had a better chance in the playoffs. Instead, LaFleur was left hiring Mennenga and promoting Drayton. And it seems there was no effort to hire an external coach last year before Drayton was promoted. Of course, only after the special teams makes a huge mistake, the Packers hire a real special teams coach. Too bad it should’ve happened three years ago.
Gutenkunst also set this team up for struggle by ignoring receiver ever since he took the job. It wasn’t just Adams. The Packers lost MVS too, so they are almost starting over at the receiver position this year.
None of this helps since LaFleur can’t make adjustments in game, or Rodgers is ignoring them. We can’t know for sure, but I doubt Rodgers is changing every play. As an example, the only time the Packers had success moving the ball against the Vikings was throwing to running backs in the flat. If my memory is correct, they didn’t do that until their third drive of the game, the same drive where they went for it on 4th and goal. But they were moving the ball and the Vikings weren’t stopping it. It made total sense to keep doing that. But then the Packers had only one more drive after that before half and they want back to the same stupid shotgun plays. Then again when they scored their only touchdown, they got back into the redzone with the throws to running backs in the flat. But then they moved away from it again and back to the stupid shotgun plays. Jones is also just not getting the ball enough. His carries are super low as well as his catches. He’s the best offensive player the packers have right now. They should be featuring him way more like they did in 2019. I don’t get it.
LaFleur can only win games when he plays with a lead the whole time. He struggles with any other type of game. There was an anomaly last year when the Packers played the Cardinals and kept the offense simple. I thought they would do that this year while the receivers get up to speed. Maybe they will. It was only week 1. But I’m not hopeful. We’ve seen three years of this team with LaFleur and the result is losing in the playoffs. The roster already peaked in 2020, and it’s slowly declining. I’m not seeing how the result will be a superbowl this year without massive breaks.
I disagree Joefan. It isn’t that Matt LaFleur can’t win games unless he plays with a lead. It’s Aaron Rodgers who only wins when things go his way. And this predates Matt LaFleur by over a decade. Aaron Rodgers has only 14 fourth quarter come from behind wins in 18 years. Many of those against Detroit. This isn’t a LaFleur issue. That’s on Rodgers. The game was over Sunday when when we were down by 17. Joe Burrow was down by a similar amount also against a bitter division rival yet rallied his team to what should have been a OT win. Rodgers never does that. I also disagree on the Packers being dysfunctional and so does Aaron Rodgers. Dysfunctional organizations are those in Detriot, Cleveland, Jacksonville and either NY teams. If Rodgers thought the Packers were dysfunctional he’d have bolted to Denver when he had a chance. Davante Adams, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Sterling Sharp, James Lofton, and probably Max McGee all dropped passes as rookies. You don’t punish them, you keep feeding them the ball. If Aaron Rodgers does the same then everything will work itself out.
” To be paying a QB $50 million per year and coming into the season with the current WR room is the definition of insanity.” – Arch
Truer words were never spoken.
Or as Mark Murphy would put it…”those situations usually tend to work themselves out”
Good idea Murph, why put forth some actual effort, when it can heal itself.
Save that energy, for paying Jordan Love his 12 million.
Lets do this….
Can we draft a 1st round pick on offense, unlike the last 12 years, where the only offensive player chosen was Jordan Love, our current 1st round bench veteran.
Slick move Gute
“that move was made in the best interest of the Green Bay Packers” – Gute
Uhuh Gute…lol….tell us more 🤔
Maybe we could spend another 10 million on a Jimmy Graham has been again, that worked out well.
Got to get up pretty early in the morning to get one over on Gute(y)
Or kick some more cash down the road and spend another 182 million in free agency in a two week period, mostly on the defense.
I know….is Devin Funchess still available.
(smooth Gute, smooth)
Also, will our 2021 3rd round receiver play an actual snap on offense this coming Sunday?
(draft and develop perhaps?)
What ever happened to 2nd rounder Josh Jackson, Josh Jones, Jason Spriggs….. 3rd rounder Sternberger, Amari Rodgers, Oren Burks, Dequara, Montravious Adams, etc.
That’s a lot of wasted higher tier draft picks, most likely of course…Aaron Rodgers fault.
You might have problems in your receiving room…..
When your #1 receiver, is A. J. Dillon and/or, usually a running back.
My .02….We heard all of pre-season how bad ass the (starting) defense was. That, and based on how they stifled the 49er offense.
Now, it might be that the #1 defense, did excell against the #1 offense in camp, that’s fair. But…what does that tell us? We have starters out on the O line, and we are relying on past their prime veteran receivers and rookie wr’s. Worth noting, all while the offense is trying to fast forward the learning curve of the new receivers….out of necessity.
I would also think the defense knows what the offense is running.
So it’s logical that the #1 defense was dominant in camp, with or without pads.
THEN…the regular season comes, week 1 and the defense looks lost…literally lost.
On top of that, the coaches seemed to have no answers how to answer the vikings.
It will be entertaining to see how this team develops each week.
Is the Bear game a gimmie like it usually is?
Idk….but i have a feeling they beat the bears.
I don’t even care if it’s ugly, just win.
This team can’t start out 0-3
For the 4th year in a row, i’m going to be a realist and state this team is in no danger of going to a SB, much less the NFCCG.
My fear as a fan is watching the team embarrass themselves.
Like watching Justin Jefferson and Cousins eating the defense’s lunch.
That was embarrassing seeing how wide open JJ was.
Reminded me of Kapernick running for 181 yards.
Or AP running for 200 yards a game, twice in one season.
Or back up QB’s schooling our defense, etc.
Arch Stanton was dead nuts correct when he mentioned paying a HOF QB 50 mill and having no receivers.
Do the Packers expect Rodgers to turn Watson and Doubs into premier receivers like Nelson and Adams by week 8?
Even those great ones took time to get there.
I don’t have a clue in the world why Gute would let this happen on purpose…but he did
Show me Kevin a GM that’s hit on every draft pick. That’s right, you can’t. Josh Jones, Jason Spriggs, and Montravious Adams were drafted by Ted, not Brian Gutekunst. Are we now blaming Ted because Erin can’t win in the playoffs? Aaron Rodgers is 7-9 in his last 16 playoff games. How about you giving us his combined stats in those games. You love to dazzle us with Aaron Rodgers stats! And that’s with Davante Adams. If management is so inept as you claim, why didn’t Erin demand a trade? They had a deal in place in Denver. We were a half yard and a drop pass from the score being 23-21 on Sunday and anyone’s ballgame. Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs are by far and away the best WR’s on the roster. Rodgers has no choice but to feed them the ball if he wants any chance at winning this year. They’ll get better. The sky isn’t falling.
I was referencing Deep.
Did i put a nickle in you?
No, so stfu.
I’m referencing your stupidity Kevin. Why is Aaron Rodgers still here? Your hero obviously doesn’t agree with your assessment of management. If he did he’d have jumped ship and you’d be worshiping him in Denver right now. Your beloved Jordy Nelson dropped passes as a rookie. So did Adams, Jennings, Jones, Driver, Finley, and the list goes on. Was it the end of the world? No. Why? Because these things do work themselves out. That was Christian Watson’s first game as a pro. Mark Murphy played in the NFL. Won a SB. He knows what he’s talking about. You on the other hand, are totally clueless. Go back to your stats and your team captains.
I can give you 50 mil reasons why Aaron Rodgers is still in Green Bay. If you believe everything Gute says the Packers never even considered trading Rodgers. Rodgers wasn’t a free agent, he can’t just say I’m going to Denver to play, see you later. Bottom line, Rodgers is in Green Bay because Gute refused to trade him. Might have something to do with job security.
Again, if you know it takes 2 or 3 years for receivers to develop, why would you put your team in the current situation it’s in when you proclaim it’s Super Bowl or bust. From my perspective that is piss poor planning and negligence on managements part. Heads should roll.
“Your beloved Jordy Nelson dropped passes as a rookie. So did Adams, Jennings, Jones, Driver, Finley, and the list goes on. Was it the end of the world? No. Why?” – Princess
No…it wasn’t the end of the world Princess.
Because there were other established productive receivers ahead of them already on the roster. They didn’t need those receivers to be productive in their first NFL game.
Contrary to the cluster fuck which is our receiver room today.
Is a light coming on yet Tommi?
I sent you a book Gomer.
Understanding NFL football….for dummies.
Didn’t you say Mark Murphy was also a NFLPA attorney Tommi?
Can you tell us more about that.
Tom M 17 hours ago
I disagree Joefan. It isn’t that Matt LaFleur can’t win games unless he plays with a lead. It’s Aaron Rodgers who only wins when things go his way. And this predates Matt LaFleur by over a decade. Aaron Rodgers has only 14 fourth quarter come from behind wins in 18 years. Many of those against Detroit. This isn’t a LaFleur issue. That’s on Rodgers.
I know all this because i spend my life researching Rodgers stats like this.
My conclusion, as always.
It’s Rodgers fault!!
Brian Gutekunst also said he didn’t want to trade Davante Adams offering him the same amount of money as Las Vegas. He traded him because he refused to play for the Packers. Had Aaron Rodgers refused to return, he likewise would have been traded. Regardless of what Gutekunst wanted. Aaron Rodgers didn’t hold all the cards but he had a strong enough hand to get his ass out of Green Bay had he decided to do so. Just like Adams. Remember, he was “under contract” last summer when he refused to report to camp demanding a trade. He ultimately reported but only after the Packers shaved off a year of that contract and the agreement “they” would sit down after the season and “they” would decide if he would returned and if not where he was willing to go. Denver did not go after Russell Wilson until Rodgers decided to return to the Packers. As far as the “50 million reasons” Rodgers, like Davante Adams, was going to get his money regardless where he played. Denver would have paid him just as much. He’s only worth his contract if he wins a SB. I don’t think he ever will. Gutekunst obviously thinks differently.
Ranking the NFL’s top back up QB’s of 2022……
Or…read this to save time….
24) Jordan Love, Green Bay Packers
Love is in a weird spot. The former first-round pick was probably over-drafted in 2020, and now he might never see the field again in Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers extended. Love has started just one game, and he offered up a mixed bag. He’s essentially still a projection at this point.
Gute translation….”we made that move because it was in the best interest of the Green Bay Packers”
(please explain how that conclusion was drawn up Gute.)
Sometimes i wonder if Gute and Tommi are related.
Maybe Tommi can regale us again on why the pre-season was HUGE for Jordan Love, and give us his analysis on how he fared in pre-season.
Multiple reports suggested Adams was unable to come to terms on a long-term deal with Green Bay, leading the Packers to use the franchise tag on the 29-year-old. Adams had no interest in playing under the franchise tag, and the relationship between the two sides was simply “too far gone,” according to NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport.
Adams wasn’t coming back regardless, the relationship was fractured already.
Despite speculation that the futures of Adams and Rodgers were tied together, Gutekunst made it clear Rodgers knew Adams would never play for the Packers again.
While Aaron Rodgers was negotiating his contract, he knew Davante Adams would never play for the #Packers again. The situation was too far gone. Something had to give.
“Adams wanted to eclipse DeAndre Hopkins’ $27.25 million average annual salary at the time, but the Packers weren’t willing to go that high.” – Matt Schneidman
That’s right Kevin, Rodgers knew Adams wasn’t coming back and he still signed his contract. This silly notion you girls have that Aaron Rodgers was trapped and couldn’t leave is total BS. You really don’t think the relationship wasn’t fractured between Rodgers and management last summer? Of course it was. Adams left even though he was franchised and Rodgers was as good as gone even though he was still under contract. Then the thought occurred to Rodgers that he’d have to face Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, and Derek Carr twice a year in the AFC west. And then Josh Allen and Joe Burrow if he was lucky enough to sneak in as a wild card in the playoffs. All of a sudden, the NFC north wasn’t such a bad place to be after all. In short he took the easy way out. Let’s rank QB’s based on SB wins. Aaron Rodgers ranks right up there with Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco. Impressive company to be sure.
This thing on?
“Let’s rank QB’s based on SB wins. Aaron Rodgers ranks right up there with Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco. Impressive company to be sure.”
Right, let’s use flawed logic to try and make Rodgers look bad. So you’re telling us that Dilfer and Flacco are better than Dan Marino because he doesn’t have a SB ring? Obviously we all know where you’re going with this so you can pull out the Tom Brady card and act like you know more than everyone else. It’s your bait and switch tactic so when people mention Rodgers’ accomplishments to point out the obvious difference between him and the Dilfer’s of the world you can attack them with StATs aRe mEaNiNgLeSs.
Stats don’t win Super Bowls, but one Super Bowl ring doesn’t make Brad Johnsen better than all time great Dan Marino, and it doesn’t put him on the same level as 4X MVP Aaron Rodgers. Just because someone is on a better team doesn’t make them a better player. That’s like saying James Starks is a better running back than Barry Sanders because he has more Super Bowl rings.
Super Bowls are a TEAM accomplishment. If you don’t have one of the top teams in the league you’re not winning the Super Bowl. Why didn’t Tom Brady go to Detroit? Because they didn’t have the right team to surround him with in order to win a Super Bowl. Brady himself said he spent a ton of time trying to figure out the right place to go based off of this. In the end he chose Tampa which had a stacked defense, one of the best WR cores in the league, and a front office who wasn’t going to sit on there hands and expect Brady to do everything once he got there. Yes, Brady played his part in winning but to act like it is all him is ridiculous.
Rothlesburger won his first Super Bowl with 0 TD’s, 2 INT’s, and a QBR of 22.6. Yet they still won despite that because it’s a TEAM game. You’re not going to win the SB with the 32nd ranked special teams unit, you’re not going to win it with the 32nd ranked defense, and you’re not going to win it with an offense that falls apart and can’t score when it needs to.
Just as Brady shouldn’t get 100% credit for winning titles, Rodgers isn’t 100% free of blame for losing. Should Rodgers stop it with the scowl face on the sidelines? Definitely. Does he need to turn into the Tony Robbins of Green Bay to win games? No. They won the SB in 2010 and that wasn’t the case. Teams need leadership but motivational speeches alone aren’t enough to win a Super Bowl. You need to get it done on the field.
For anyone who has watched the Packers in the playoffs the past ten years it’s easy to see that they always come out unprepared or undisciplined. There’s always some major blunder, or a series of them, that derails everything in the most heartbreaking fashion. Head scratching play calls, boneheaded decisions, guys being completely out of position or not doing what they were told to, or being completely blown out for the first half of more than one NFCCG. Why is that? And no, it’s not aLL oN aArOn rOdGeRs.
According to all you ladies, Aaron Rodgers isn’t to blame for anything. Kevin blames Royce Newman and Kevin King when he isn’t taking the way back machine and blaming Josh Jones and Jason Spriggs. What exactly has the great Bill Belichick won without Tom Brady? His coaching tree is a complete disaster and he has a dumpster fire in New England right now. Let me tell you what I see happening. Aaron Rodgers throws for 300 yards and three TD’s Sunday night and we win. Because it’s the Chicago Bears and he “owns” the Bears. Immediately everyone here proclaims Aaron Rodgers has single handedly saved the season. Despite poor coaching and questionable personnel moves. It becomes a circle jerk of love for Aaron Rodgers. Then, the following week we face Tampa Bay. Someone is going to drop a pass or miss a block and Aaron will start to posture and pout. He goes to the sideline and cries to Tom Clements and says, “doesn’t everyone know I’m the great Aaron Rodgers?” “This isn’t supposed to happen to me!” We of course lose the game because Aaron is Tom’s bitch. Then Cheese tells us “obviously this team is undisciplined and unprepared!” Kevin and Ferris second the motion quoting obscure stats along the way. Fortunately we get a reprieve and face a string piss poor teams like the Giants, Jets, and Commanders which gives everyone a false sense of security. At some point we go to Buffalo where Josh Allen lets little Erin know there’s a new sheriff in town. And the bitching and finger pointing starts all over again. When you step back and look at the big picture. You see why Aaron Rodgers never left. There are too many good teams in the AFC. And he doesn’t do well when challenged. He can bully bad teams. The good ones, not so much….
Tom M 21 hours ago…
Then the thought occurred to Rodgers that he’d have to face Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, and Derek Carr twice a year in the AFC west. And then Josh Allen and Joe Burrow if he was lucky enough to sneak in as a wild card in the playoffs.
Rodgers stayed in Green Bay because…he was scared!!
Much the same level of intellect, like when Tommi told us that Rodgers was scared that Love was breathing down his neck and was going to steal his starters job…lmao
Dullard comedy 🙃
Such a brilliant mind, that Princess 😄
Whatever happened to Kevin King?…the last i heard was that Tommi was telling us what a good season he had last year.
I should look him up on google and see which team snatched his services as a cornerback who is “loooooooong”.
A stud corner hand picked by Gute(y) former 1st round pick, in his prime.
Post google,11 seconds later….OOPS, nevermind.
“According to all you ladies, Aaron Rodgers isn’t to blame for anything.”
Are you fucking blind? I literally just posted “Rodgers isn’t 100% free of blame for losing.” But why on earth would you acknowledge that when you can just continue to incessantly bitch about Rodgers like he’s the worst quarterback on the planet.
“Then Cheese tells us “obviously this team is undisciplined and unprepared!”
Do you think letting a QB rush for 181 yards in the playoffs is disciplined? Do you think blowing a 12 point lead in a matter of minutes at Seattle is disciplined? Do you think giving up a fake punt for a TD, an onside kick, and multiple game winning touchdowns is disciplined? Do you think giving up a blocked punt for a TD is disciplined? Do you think getting blown out 31-0 AND 27-0 at halftime is disciplined? Do you think they were prepared for that to happen? If you do, you’re completely delusional. I try to reason with you by talking sensibly and you completely ignore it so you can continue bitching like the miserable twat that you are.
Go ahead and twist this into some bullshit about how everything is Rodgers fault for losing and how Tom Brady can win a Super Bowl with any team in the NFL because he can do absolutely no wrong.
4th and 1 at the Minnesota 18 and Aaron Rodgers throws incomplete into double coverage to Robert Tonyan. Is Aaron Rodgers unprepared or undisciplined? Final drive in the playoff game against the 49ers down by 3. Aaron Rodgers throws incomplete into double coverage to Davante Adams. While Allen Lazard is wide open on a crossing route. Is Aaron Rodgers unprepared or undisciplined? NFCC game against the Bucs, 4th quarter 1st and goal at the 8. Is Aaron Rodgers unprepared or undisciplined because he can’t get a TD? Aaron Rodgers 7-9 in his last 16 playoff games. Is he unprepared or undisciplined during those games? Meanwhile Tom Brady is 7-2 in SB’s. Bill Belichick looks lost and hasn’t done shit without Brady. Mike McCarthy won 12 games last season in Dallas without Aaron Rodgers. Yet it was Mike McCarthy that was always holding Rodgers back from true greatness. Sure he was. It’s called accountability Cheese and it all starts with Rodgers. I don’t expect him to win every game against a top opponent, but he’s got win most of them if he’s as great and wonderful as you all say he is. Instead, he pads his stats against weak teams. Then shrinks and pouts when challenged by good teams. And it has nothing to do with being unprepared or undisciplined. And everything to do with his character and ego.
Learn to pronounce
a slow or stupid person.
“he was detached from reality”
I’m gonna give you an important assignment Kevin. I want you to post Aaron Rodgers combined stats against the Detroit Lions and the Chicago Bears during his career. Then I want you to post his playoff stats since winning the SB in 2010. That way we can all compare and marvel at his greatness. Or lack there of. Tom Brady, like Rodgers spent the majority of his career in a weak division. Beating up on teams like the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins. And Brady, like Rodgers, often won his division going away. The difference of course, Tom Brady beat good teams in the playoffs. Won 7 SB’s with two teams. The beauty of being a Tom Brady fan is you never have to make excuses for him. Not so with Aaron Rodgers. Did you happen to see the game on Thursday night? Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert in an epic battle between to young titans of the NFL. A back and forth contest that will play itself out over and over again over the next decade. Now picture Aaron Rodgers against either QB. Do you have any real confidence he could beat either team? Justin Herbert jumped out to an early 10 point lead. Undeterred Patrick Mahomes came right back. What would Rodgers have done? Rallied the troops or shut it down and sulked? It’s a fair question to ask…
You are such a cherry picking SOB. I never said Rodgers wasn’t part of the undisciplined or unprepared team. He’s a member of the Green Bay packers isn’t he? Or do you have some bullshit theory about him being his own entity? THE PACKERS, AS A TEAM, COME OUT UNDISCIPLINED AND UNPREPARED IN THE PLAYOFFS. JUST LIKE THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON THE PAST TWO YEARS. Can you read that? Do you have you have your glasses on, or your blinders?
Yeah, they didn’t score on the goal line when they should have. Frustrating none the least. Rodgers isn’t the only person who can get in the endzone. Everyone drools about AJ Dillion but where the fuck was he on the goal line against Tampa? Let me guess, it was Rodgers fault because he overrode mastermind LaFluer’s play call and did what he wanted. They also had a fourth down to try and get a TD while down by 8. Everyone wants to talk about Rodgers’ legacy and here is a legacy defining moment and you take the ball out of his hands to kick a fucking field goal. BRILLIANT! Tom Brady should have written LaFluer a thank you letter for the tickets to the Super Bowl because all Tampa had to do was get a first down and they win.
You complain about Rodgers being too safe with the ball because he’s wOrRiEd aBoUt sTaTs and not taking risks. Then he throws into double coverage and all of a sudden he’s being careless and shouldn’t have thrown that pass. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. If he threads that ball through a needle and Tonyan catches it then it’s ok. But that didn’t happen so Rodgers is a terrible QB.
“Tom Brady is 7-2 in SB’s”
You mean the Patriots are 6-3 in SB’s and the Buccaneers are 1-0 in SB’s with Tom Brady. The Patriots lost TWICE to the Giants and once to the Eagles. Take away the tuck rule and that’s one less ring guaranteed. It sure was nice to watch Brady intercept Russell Wilson on the goal line and win it all for New England. Oh wait, that was Malcolm Butler. It sure was nice to watch Brady play crushing defense all those years. Nope, that was Willie McGinnest, Vince Wilfork and the rest of the D. It sure was nice watching Brady nail those game winning field goals to win the Super Bowl multiple times. Nope, that was Adam Vinatieri. That’s because SB’s are a TEAM accomplishment. Green Bay’s special teams takes 10 point off of the board and it’s Rodgers fault. The defense gives up massive game winning touchdowns multiple times, Rodgers fault. Remember when the Patriots lost to the Eagles and Giselle told a fan “Her husband can’t throw and catch the ball at the same time?” Why is that Tom? Because it’s a TEAM GAME.
“Mike McCarthy won 12 games last season in Dallas without Aaron Rodgers”
LOLOL. You bitch and moan about “Rodgers” not winning in the playoffs and then brag about McCarthy winning 12 regular season games like it’s supposed to mean anything? You are such a troll. McCarthy also gave the ball back to Seattle at the end of the NFCCG by predictably running the same play THREE TIMES in a row with Lacey getting stuffed up the middle every time and then punting it away. BRILLIANT! But of course Rodgers’ probably told him to do that.
“It’s called accountability Cheese and it all starts with Rodgers. “
Right, Rodgers’ must be held accountable while the rest of the team can totally screw the pooch and not have it affect anything. Once again, RODGERS IS NOT FREE OF BLAME, but it doesn’t excuse the myriad of other mistakes that play into losing. It doesn’t matter how many times I say this because you refuse to acknowledge it. You refuse to acknowledge what happens outside of Rodgers’ control, and you refuse to acknowledge the million different nuances that play into Brady having 7 rings. All we hear from you is
AARON RODGERS BAD!
TOM BRADY BEST!
Repeat times infinity.
And that is why you are impossible.
Why do you people argue, or try to reason, with a “pay attention to me” idiot ?
I know. He’s like a scab, but please try to ignore him.
No matter what you say, you know what he’s going too say.
So now it’s AJ Dillion’s fault? Ya think maybe Matt LaFleur kicked a field goal because he had zero confidence in Aaron Rodgers converting on 4th down? Like in Minnesota a week ago. Facts, Cheese, are facts. That’s not cherry picking. I don’t subscribe to your assessment that this team is unprepared or undisciplined. You want to watch an undisciplined team? Watch a Raiders game. Teams that are unprepared and undisciplined don’t go 13-3 year after year. They finish 4-12. Every game comes down to a handful of plays. You’d expect the face of the franchise, your MVP, to make those plays. When he doesn’t I put the blame on him. While all you fanboys look to blame others. I said at the time it was no shame to lose to Tom Brady and the Bucs. But rather than except responsibility for not getting it done. Immediately Aaron Rodgers starts with the “ I don’t know where I’ll be next year, I don’t know what the future holds” drama. Never mind the contract he just signed the year before. He kind of half ass took responsibility for the loss against the 49ers. But you knew the minute it was going to be a dog fight Rodgers wasn’t going to rise to the occasion. But it not his fault. He just need two more all pro WR’s because one just isn’t enough.
You are such a troll
“So now it’s AJ Dillion’s fault?”
When did I say it was AJ Dillion’s fault? Stop taking what I say and twisting it into something I didn’t. Everyone acts like AJ Dillion is the greatest thing since sliced bread. “The second coming of Derrick Henry.” You have a goal line situation that is exactly what he is built for and you don’t even try to run him once? Oh wait, Aaron Rodgers high jacked the play calling so LaFluer has no say in anything.
“Ya think maybe Matt LaFleur kicked a field goal because he had zero confidence in Aaron Rodgers converting on 4th down?”
If you’ve ever heard LaFluer talk about Rodgers you can tell there is no lack of confidence there, but let’s entertain your nitwit idea. Let’s say LaFluer doesn’t trust Rodgers. Kicking a field goal there and telling Tampa all they need to do is get a first down has a 99% you’re losing that game. Pack your bags, it’s done. Going for it on fourth down would have given the Packers a better chance than that. If LaFluer doesn’t trust Rodgers then run it with Dillon on fourth down. Or based on your logic, maybe LaFluer doesn’t trust Dillon either. Well hot damn, who does LaFluer trust?? Maybe he should start seeing a therapist so he can become a better coach! (That’s sarcsasm if you’re too dim to notice)
“You want to watch an undisciplined team? Watch a Raiders game. Teams that are unprepared and undisciplined don’t go 13-3 year after year.”
Once again, are you blind? I said the Packers come out undisciplined and unprepared IN THE PLAYOFFS. You’re the one who bitches and complains about the Packers beating “lesser teams” in the regular season so aArOn cAn PaD HiS sTaTs, now you’re using their regular season success as an arguing point? You’re such a fucking troll. Stop taking what I say and turning it into something it is not. Again, tell me that getting blown out 31-0 and 27-0 at halftime, or blowing a 12 point lead in a matter of minutes IN THE PLAYOFFS has nothing to do with being unprepared or undisciplined. Go ahead and brag about McCarthy’s regular season record in Dallas like it has squat to do with anything.
If what you say is true Cheese, then Matt LaFleur should be fired immediately. He’s had three years now to get his shit together and he still puts a product on the field that is unprepared and undisciplined. How long do you think he’d be unemployed? And who do we then hire as HC? Our defense gave up 10 points to the 49ers in the playoffs. How does that happen when your team is unprepared and undisciplined? It doesn’t. The league MVP did virtually nothing after the initial opening drive. Yet Justin Fields made plays against the same defense without the great Davante Adams and won. Maybe we should have started Justin Fields. Would Jordan Love have played any worse than Rodgers did in the playoffs? These questions point the finger at Aaron Rodgers and that’s not acceptable. It’s better we talk in vague terms like being “unprepared and undisciplined.”
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Wow, still refusing to acknowledge the games I mentioned hey? It’s almost comical how avoidant you are to things you can’t dispute. How long are you going to cling to that one playoff game that the defense showed up in so you can fuel your hatred for Rodgers? Have fun twisting things out of context to make yourself sound smart.