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Deep Dive: Christian Watson

The Packers drafted wide receiver Christian Watson in the second round, trading two late second round picks for the speedy wideout. Watson has elite physical tools. He ran a 4.36 forty. He is 6’4” and weighs 207 lbs. To put that in perspective, Watson has the size of Randy Moss. Moss ran a hand held stopwatch 40 time of 4.25, but being hand held it could have been as slow as 4.35. DeSean Jackson ran a 4.35 forty and made a living on deep balls and stretching defenses in the NFL. But Jackson was only 5’10 and 175 lbs. Calvin Johnson, aka “Megatron” ran a 4.35 forty at 6’5”.

Receivers 6’4” and taller who make a huge impact in the NFL are few and far between. Randy Moss was the tallest receiver in the NFL Hall of Fame until Harold Carmichael and Calvin Johnson were inducted this year. If you count receivers listed at 6’5” who have topped 1000 receiving yards in an NFL season the total number is 10 players.

Calvin Johnson Mike Evans
Brandon Marshall Vincent Jackson
Plaxico Burress Ed McCaffrey
Drew Bennett Chris Collingsworth
Kelvin Benjamin Harold Carmichael

When you compare these successful pros with Watson, his numbers are even more impressive. Plaxico Burress measured at 6’4.5” and ran a 4.69 forty yard dash. Benjamin ran a 4.53 forty. Ed McCaffrey ran a 4.69. Vincent Jackson ran a 4.46 forty, a full tenth of a second slower than Watson. Mike Evans was measured at 6’4.5” and ran a 4.53 forty. Watson bests every player on the list except Johnson and Moss. Just as impressive is his initial ten yard burst, timed at 1.45 seconds. Both Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson ran a 1.52 10 yard split.

Mar 3, 2022; Indianapolis, IN, USA; North Dakota State wide receiver Christian Watson (WO35) goes through drills during the 2022 NFL Scouting Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

When you see Watson’s numbers matching or besting every tall receiver in NFL history, you start to wonder, how did he last to the second round? How was this kid listed as the 501st best receiver coming out of high school? How did every D-1 football program pass on this kid?

There are some answers, starting with his age. Watson was 16 years old the spring of his senior year of high school. He didn’t turn 18 until after he graduated. His sophomore year Watson stood 5’9” and 140 lbs. His high school, Plant high in Tampa Florida, was a powerhouse school that was watched by many scouts, but Watson was too small to be considered a D-1 prospect.

South Dakota State took a trip down to see the Plant team and on a rainy spring practice day Watson stood out, catching every ball thrown his way. SDSU had Watson up for a visit and he was impressed with the new weight room being built and the coaching staff. When SDSU offered a scholarship in June before his senior season, he jumped on it and told his high school coach to tell other schools he was fully committed and focused on his senior season.

As a senior, Watson led his team to the state championship. He totaled 587 receiving yards and eight touchdowns. He was now 6’3” and ran a 4.4 forty yard dash. His injury history is hard to accurately assess as FCS schools do not publish injury information as accurately as Power 5 schools, but he was quoted discussing a knee injury with the college “Bison” newspaper. He stated to the Bison that he suffered a knee injury and had been dealing with it for about a year. The knee required surgery.

He was quoted as saying he would not be able to walk for six weeks and would miss spring practice but he would be ready for his sophomore season, which he did successfully. Watson could have de-committed before his freshman year or transferred as his highlight real started to become packed after his junior year at SDSU, but Watson never even considered it. He even returned from a hamstring injury to play in the championship game his senior year, out of loyalty to his teammates.

So how does this rags to riches story end up with a Packer pick in the second round? While Watson has good stats and a decent highlight real, the SDSU offense was 70% run based. There is more tape of Watson blocking than there is winning contested catches. In the NFL, winning contested catches differentiates the All Pros from the also-rans. Watson has tools but he will need to learn how to out muscle press corners and use his body and leaping ability (vertical jump of 38.5) to win contested balls.

So Watson is still labeled a “work in progress” who needs to learn how to play against opponents who match his speed and size. Davante Adams is great now, but all Packer fans remember his “learning curve” before he broke out in his third season. The problem for the Packers is only Allen Lazard and an aging Randall Cobb are experienced in the offense. Watson needs to be put in a Packer offense immersion program and graduate with honors for the Packer offense to blossom in 2022.

Watson’s pick required the Packers to give up picks number 53 and 59. At 53 the Colts picked Alex Pierce, Pierce is 6’3” and ran 4.41 in the forty. He has more film winning contested catches than Watson. Taken a pick later, Skyy Moore measured 5’10”. 195 lbs., and ran 4.41. Jalen Tolbert and David Bell were third round picks. The 49ers picked the speedy (4.33) Johnny Gray out of SMU later in the third round. All of these picks will be compared to each other over the next three years. Time and tough catches will tell the story. Watson excelled at SDSU, but in the NFL there is no game against Lindenwood. Watson has unique tools. The Packers have an offense that can utilize his talents. The rest is in the learning curve.

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  1. Tom M May 3, 2022

    Nope, not buying any of this team propaganda Paul. Kevin tells us that Christian Watson and Jeff Janis have similar RAS scores. Therefore the only logical conclusion is they’re the same player. And Janis was drafted in the 7th round. Then again, PF4L told us we’d trade ZaDarius Smith, Rashan Gary was a wasted draft pick, Kurt Benkert is a real NFL QB, and being a team captain means something magical. The fact that Alex Pierce went at 53 didn’t go unnoticed either. With George Pickens going a couple of picks before that. However, had the Packers stayed put teams needing WR’s would have traded up ahead of the Packers to get their guy. Gutekunst had to trade up to get his pick of the liter of the second tier WR’s. The question now is, did he get the right guy? The best way to get Watson and Watkins ready is for Erin to actually show up to camp and work on his “trust” issues with them. Because throwing them the football isn’t enough. Evidently he requires some sort of emotional bond with them as well. Even crazy ass Shailene found all this so exhausting. Telling metro man to take a hike. Hopefully we’ll have a more positive outcome with our new receivers.

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  2. Savage57 May 3, 2022

    North Dakota State University. Collinsworth.

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  3. Howard May 3, 2022

    I would anticipate the Packers would start out using Watson in a similar role to how they used MVS. Go deep and jet fly motion.

    The one thing that may get Watson more deep looks over MVS is the 10 yard split time. MVS had a 1.55 10 yard split time vs Watson’s 1.45. A tenth of a second faster can equal a yard to a yard and a half difference down the field. What is more impressive to me is Watson had a 2.45 20 yard split vs MVS at 2.58. Calvin Johnson also had a 2.58 20 yard split. Not sure what moss had, but Jackson was at 2.52.
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    Watson can fly in the first 20 yards reducing space between corners and/or safeties quickly. This can cause the db’s covering Watson to show their hand or I should say hips earlier than a db covering a player such as MVS. Watson’s early speed can help Rodgers determine earlier in his progressions if he is going to go with the deep shot to Watson.

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  4. PF4L May 3, 2022

    D. Adams ran a 4.56 40.
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    A players 40 time may sound sexy, but it takes a lot more than a 40 time to even play in the NFL, let alone be highly productive player.
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    The NFL scouting report on Adams mostly nailed it.
    In addition to being largely accurate in strengths/weakness
    They were also spot on in……”Will Become Good Starter Within Two Years” – NFL.com.
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    We hear two things about Watson…his 40 time of course, and he’s a pretty good returner (which the Packers could use, desperately).
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    From what i can gather, Watson has some skills, enough not to be drafted at the back end of the draft. It’s seems knowledgeable NFL pundits say he will need a lot of work and polish.
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    At the end of the day, lets be honest about this, the Packers traded up for a project.
    But….we’ll see how he does, Adams took some time, Watson deserves the same consideration.
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    The sin isn’t drafting a project receiver.
    The sin is putting the team in the position where you are relying on rookie draft picks to produce right away because of talent depletion.

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  5. PF4L May 3, 2022

    Bleacher Report – Christian Watson
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    OVERALL
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    Watson brings very good height and size to the receiver position that allows him to play outside, but he does have experience from the slot and even the backfield. Watson is a straight-line runner with build up speed that can take the top off of defenses when given a runway. While he has just average lateral quickness because of his size, he still flashes the ability to create yards after the catch because of his balance and play strength.
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    His balance and body control also show up with his route running. Watson flashes polish with his routes, consistently getting to the proper depth for the concept being run and not getting antsy and convoluting the play. However, he can be a little loose when breaking on routes and will need to continue to refine. He will also have to continue to learn to use his size when releasing against press coverage and be more consistent with his bend. As he can get caught playing high and exposing his chest on releases and when breaking on routes, which more physical corners will take advantage of.
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    Watson is a comfortable catcher of the football and will extend for throws away from his body. He is inconsistent when tracking deeper throws and can play small instead of using his size to high point the ball above his head.

    Watson’s size and play strength will flash as a blocker, but he will need to be more consistent in that area, as his energy in the run game will come and go based on how he’s doing as a receiver. He is also a very competitive player who loves to bring energy after every one of his catches.

    Overall, Watson has the size and enough athleticism and route-running ability to have the upside of a starting X WR. He does require runway to get his long legs going, but he has enough balance to be under control when breaking on routes. He is best when being able to operate in a straight line on routes with no breaks or even as a ball carrier where he can get downhill quickly. Watson does bring some kick return ability that will appeal to teams early in his career. While you would have wanted to see him dominate more at the level he played at, he shows enough athleticism and polish to be useful working outside or on vertical routes from the slot, and he could be a good No. 3-type weapon for NFL teams looking to add size in their receiver room.

    GRADE: 7.1 (High-Level Backup/Potential Starter – 3rd Round)

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  6. Tom M May 4, 2022

    The Minnesota Vikings declined the 5th year option on center Garrett Bradbury. Bradbury was drafted in the first round of the 2019 draft, 18th overall, and according to PFF was the 6th worst starting center in the NFL last year. In the same draft, Brian Gutekunst drafted all pro C/G Elgton Jenkins in the second round. In 2018 Minnesota drafted CB Mike Hughes in the first round and is no longer with the team. In that draft, Gutekunst traded up to pick shut down corner Jaire Alexander. Jeff Gladney also a first round CB in 2020 has also been released by the Vikings. Over the last 4 years, the only worthwhile draft pick in the first round by former GM Rick Spielman is Justin Jefferson. And it could be argued that the only reason Spielman picked him was because he didn’t want Gutekunst to have him since he called inquiring about a trade. Since taking over for Ted, Gutekunst has out drafted every GM in the NFC north. So much so they’ve all been fired. And golden boy John Schneider is barely hanging on in Seattle. Gutekunst has completely rebuilt the defense and if everyone can stay relatively healthy, it looks to be special. While all the Gutekunst haters spend their bitching about the Jordan Love pick. Time to get over it.

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  7. Deepsky May 4, 2022

    Watson has a lot better movement and vision than MVS. He also is much more muscular than Randy Moss. There are reports that hand timed, Watson regularly ran 4.28 40. My fears are first, that he’s now going to be asked to run NFL precise routes which he has never done, second, that he really did not have a lot of college production for his physical attributes, and third that his hands are not that good, and after his first, second and third drop Rodgers will stonewall him like he’s done to every receiver not named Davante Adams.

    The Packers will be lucky to get 500 yards out of Watson this season.

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  8. PF4L May 4, 2022

    NICE….you sure know a lot about the vikings….and the Packers.
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    I never knew anyone in here who know’s so much about each team…WAIT…wut?
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    But you make a good point….Gute has done some good work in the 1st and 2nd round (he has), along with some blunders.
    It’s fun to compare him with all the powerhouse franchises in the NFC North
    Yea…(chuckle)
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    You would think winning franchises like the vikes, Bears, and Lions drafted well, i did.
    I didn’t know.
    Thanks for sharing 🤗
    It’s a crazy NFL world….amirite?
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    JP….can you send Tom M. a jersey?
    Just bill my account.
    Make it the half Packer, half viking jersey.
    Slap a number 12 on it if you could, and make sure it’s wrapped up nice, like with a pretty bow on it or something.
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    Thanks

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  9. PF4L May 4, 2022

    Tom M May 4, 2022
    The Minnesota Vikings declined the 5th year option on center Garrett Bradbury.
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    I’m surprised the vikings didn’t guarantee Bradbury’s 5th year option, before he signed a contract, like the packers do….(we’re told).

    The vikings waited until after the players 3 years to accept or decline a players 5th year option?
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    Strange….I wonder why they wait 3 years 🤔

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  10. Dean May 4, 2022

    Let’s see how Lafleur uses Watson speed and size in GBs offense. I suspect he can make better use of a player with Watson’s skill set than say a certain Dallas head coach. Seems to me that getting the ball in a player like Watson’s hands with reverses, screens, crossing and the expected fly routes is what Lafluer always wanted to do in this system; however, he did not have the personal.
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    Watson’s father was also drafted by the Packers and coached His sons. Hopefully, that will lesson the time needed to get up to speed in the NFL. Time will tell.
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    I suspect that the defense may have to carry this team for most of the year. Should be really interesting to see how the defense comes together with the additions from the draft. Looks like the idea was to improve run D without compromising the pass D. It also will be the second year in Berry’s system…

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  11. Tom M May 6, 2022

    As much as you girls like to bitch and moan about the WR’s. And the hen picking is nonstop. Consider the Chicago Bears. Now that Allen Robinson is gone, who does Justin Fields have at WR ? Not much. There’s no Christian Watson. No Sammy Watkins. And while Montgomery is a nice back. He’s not dynamic like Aaron Jones or a grinder like AJ Dillion. Talk about setting your young QB up for failure. All that draft capital spent on Khalil Mack resulted in one playoff appearance and no wins. Then you draft Trubisky over Mahomes. Chicago has a long history of giving draft picks away for proven players and it never works. All the way back to trading for Rick Meier and Jay Cutler to current favorite Justin Fields. Detroit? Who knows how good Matthew Stafford could have been had he been drafted by a team like LA or GB. Would Aaron Rodgers been as good if he had been drafted by the Lions? You don’t get to pick your divisional opponents, you just have to compete against them. As for Christian Watkins, you don’t get many division one scholarships when your 5’9” and 170lbs as a HS senior. The more tape you watch, the more impressed you become. Especially the senior bowl when he was the best wideout on the field. This kid could be special. He was a risk worth taking.

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  12. PF4L May 6, 2022

    If you say so, Tiger.
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    We all enjoy your never ending petulant ramblings…..
    Wanna cookie?🍪

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  13. Tom M May 7, 2022

    Well Kevin, life isn’t all stats and 8 by 10 glossy photos of little Erin in his jock strap. Some of use logic and reason before we proclaim Christian Watson is Jeff Janis because they have similar RAS scores. Evaluating players based on the fact you don’t like the GM rather than on the players actual merit and talent is a good way to embarrass yourself. It certainly hasn’t stopped you before. So go find some obscure stat that comforts you knowing that Christian Watson is the next J’mon Moore.

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  14. PF4L May 7, 2022

    Is that what i said Gomer, that Watson is Janis …that they are the same, because of their RAS scores?
    Does that mean…(in your mind) that every time i’ve posted Ras scores with different players in the past, it implied that i thought they were the same?
    How ignorant, and out of touch with reality are you?
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    Nobody here with half a brain, read it like that, because they might have reading skills smarter than a 5th grader.
    Here is what i said……
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    PF4L May 3, 2022
    From what i can gather, Watson has some skills, enough not to be drafted at the back end of the draft. It’s seems knowledgeable NFL pundits say he will need a lot of work and polish.
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    At the end of the day, lets be honest about this, the Packers traded up for a project.
    But….we’ll see how he does, Adams took some time, Watson deserves the same consideration.
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    If you don’t agree he’s a project, then speak the fuck up and say something intelligent for once.
    You claim to be “highly intelligent”.
    But all we hear from you is distorting truths, repeating the same lies time and time and time….again.
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    Or…”You ladies”
    “You and your girlfriends in here…..”
    Or…..your obsession with Rodgers dick and what you imagine could be done with it.
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    You seemed to have rid yourself of talking about people’s Mother’s and sisters and inquiring about their sexual prowess, while insinuating incestual behavior with the readers in here.
    Congrats….but……
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    At what point Tommi…..
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    Do you even realize you are a complete embarrassment to yourself in here, and by all accounts and reasonable thought you are an embarrassment in life also.
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    But i fear you suffer a worse problem than even that ….
    You don’t seem to even care.
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    I don’t hate you (or anyone), but i pity you.
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    Now, finish your cheeto’s, wipe the orange off your chest, and tell everyone about when i (allegedly) said Benkert is a starting NFL QB.
    Hell…maybe even show us it.
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    Or maybe…just head upstairs, dinners probably ready.
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  15. Cheese May 11, 2022

    It looks like McCarthy is coming back to TAHN. The Cowboys play in GB week 10. Get those mashed potatoes ready because the gravy boat is on it’s way!

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  16. Tom M May 13, 2022

    Well Kevin, we can talk about your mom if you like. I understand she’s quite popular up there in northern Wisconsin. But I prefer to talk football. It seems to me it came down to this. Draft the way we did, or trade both numbers ones to move up to the 10 spot, or there about, to draft Chris Olave. The WR in the top tier, by all accounts, the Packers liked. Then use the second round picks on lesser talent for the defense. So the question then becomes, how much better, if any, is Chis Olave than Christian Watson? And if he is better, is it enough to offset the two defensive studs we picked up in the first round? Those are the questions that will remain unanswered until the season begins and we start to see some clarity. Personally, I would not have traded up for Chris Olave so I think Gutekunst absolutely made the right call. You don’t like Gutekunst because you feel he’s been mean and nasty to your boyfriend so every draft pick is horrendous in your eyes. True love will do that to ya. Remember Kevin, this isn’t about padding Erin’s stats. It’s about winning a SB. Everyone knows he can’t carry this team in the playoffs. Trent Dilfer won a SB with a great defense, maybe Erin can too.

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  17. Tom M May 15, 2022

    You see Kevin, I don’t base my evaluations on emotions like you do. I don’t have tunnel vision where my life revolves around Aaron Rodgers. I don’t have to have a scapegoat every time Rodgers fails. I know who to blame. For you, it’s everything is Brian Gutekunst’s fault. He’s the reason Rodgers can’t win in the playoffs. Sure. Tell me Kevin, when is the last time you actually liked a Brian Gutekunst draft pick? You bitched at the Rashan Gary pick. You thought Royce Newman was a terrible guard. Jordan Love has set the organization back decades. And now your implying that Christian Watson is Jeff Janis because of similar RAS scores. But now your saying that’s not what you meant. Then why bring up Jeff Janis is the first place? A well round fan has some idea what his divisional opponents are doing and sizes them up accordingly. Since most of you can’t see past your love for Aaron Rodgers your oblivious. I bring up Minnesota, Chicago, and Detroit for clarity. These are organizations that have been historically poorly run. It should make you appreciate what we have in Title Town. For most, it doesn’t.

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  18. Ed May 15, 2022

    Tommy says “I don’t have tunnel vision where my life revolves around Aaron Rodgers.”

    Wow Tommy. From what I’ve read, your “whole” life revolves around Aaron Rodgers.

    Get a REAL life. Try writing something without mentioning his name.

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  19. PF4L May 15, 2022

    PF4L May 7, 2022
    At what point Tommi…..
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    Do you even realize you are a complete embarrassment to yourself in here, and by all accounts and reasonable thought you are an embarrassment in life also.

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  20. MMSUCKS May 15, 2022

    The old adage “If you were stupid, would you know it?” comes up quite often with Tommi boy . . .

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  21. Tom M May 15, 2022

    Ah, yes! Kevin, Ed, and MMSUCKS! The three stooges, I mean the three intellectuals, of Packer football! Throw in Ferris and Cheese and you’ve got a short bus full of cutting edge free thinkers! I shutter to think the good works these men could do if they were in charge of the Packer organization. First they’d fire Tom Braatz, I mean Brian Gutekunst. Who the discerning fan knows is Satan reincarnated. Then rehire Mike Sherman as GM. You remember Sherman. He’s the one who totally let Favre get out of control. No restraint necessary for our hero little Erin. Come to think of it, do we really need a GM as long as Erin is under contract? I say let’s make him not just our QB but GM too! Wouldn’t that be great ladies? The wise, ever knowing, bestest, greatest GB ever! Oh, the countless Super Bowls that would await….

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  22. PF4L May 15, 2022

    🍼👶

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  23. Cheese May 15, 2022

    Holy shit dude, give it a fucking rest already. Is it possible for you to make a post without trying to sound cool by insulting everyone that doesn’t have the same opinion as you? Is it possible for you to make a post without obsessing over LiTtLe eRin? Over, and over, and over, and over?!?!
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    “Do we really need a GM as long as Erin is under contract?”
    You can keep pretending that Rodgers is holding the team hostage and making all the important decisions but do you know why Aaron just got a contract extension? Because Gutekunst fucking gave it to him. Clearly Love is not ready. Clearly trading up to pick a 1st round QB two years ago was the wrong decision, which is what anyone with a fucking brain would have told you at the time. Yet, I have never once ranted about wanting Gutekunst fired.
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    I’m sure there was a time when I bitched about the defense too much, but there was a reason for that. It was because the defense was total garbage. On the other hand, you incessantly bitch about a guy who just won the past two consecutive league MVP’s. Whine all you want about stats or whether you think he deserved it, but you need to be playing pretty damn good to even be in that conversation.
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    Yes, MVP awards don’t win playoff games. Yes, the Packers offense played like shit last January. Yes, Rodgers was a part of that offense and he should have done more. Yes, EVERYONE on this board is upset about the result of that game. That doesn’t mean we want to listen to you bitch and moan about Rodgers every single chance you get, again, and again, and again.
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    I don’t come to this site so I can be involved in an endless argument. I stopped coming around here for most of last season because I couldn’t handle how toxic the comment section had become. It’s a total energy suck and it’s not worth my time.

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  24. PF4L May 16, 2022

    “This…is what a dying website looks like” – Savage57

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  25. Tom M May 16, 2022

    I see Cheese. You can go on a five paragraph rant but no one else can. While PF4L can’t think of anything intelligent to say and is reduced to posting pretty pictures. Sounds about right. If you want to turn this site into an Aaron Rodgers fan club. Go right ahead. We all need our heroes I suppose. It seems to me there are two false narratives that are constantly pushed here. First, Aaron Rodgers is the best QB of all time. He isn’t even the best QB of his generation. That would be Tom Brady, and it gives me no pleasure to say that but those are the facts. And secondly, Mark Murphy and Brian Gutekunst are to blame for Aaron Rodgers failures. I say it starts with the man in the mirror. Rather than tell me why I’m wrong by way of facts and persuasion, I get attacked personally. I, of course, respond in kind. Now, the overly sensitive Cheese claims it’s just all too toxic. If you can’t take the heat. Stay out of the kitchen. Here’s a fun fact. John Elway had an amazing career full of stats and memorable games. The first 15 years he couldn’t win shit in the playoffs. He retired at 38 after finally winning back to back Super Bowls. So what made the last two years different for Elway that finally got him over the hump to go out a SB winner? He had a running back named Terrell Davis and he had a defense. He didn’t have to do it all himself. He didn’t have to be the MVP. Maybe, just maybe Aaron Rodgers could go out the same way. He’s got a chance. He doesn’t have to do it all. Rodgers had the opportunity to leave. He decided to stay. He’s given management the benefit of the doubt. Shouldn’t we?

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  26. Cheese May 17, 2022

    When did I say no one could post a 5 paragraph rant? Stop deflecting my point. Listening to you bitch about Rodgers ad nauseum in EVERY SINGLE POST you make is exhausting. If we added up all of your posts over the last year bitching and moaning about Rodgers it would make 5 paragraphs look miniscule.
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    Aaron Rodgers fan club? No one talks about Rodgers here more than you do. You have absolutely nothing positive to say about him and will never let anyone forget it. You even have cute little nicknames for him. If anyone says anything remotely positive about Rodgers they get bombarded with comments about how LiTtLe eRiN doesn’t have seven rings and he’ll never be Tom Brady. Guess what? No one gives a shit.
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    Rodgers is responsible for his own failures, but what you fail to realize is that Gute and Murphy are responsible for their own failures as well. Instead, you just push it off on to Rodgers like he’s the only reason this team loses. I’m not going to list off all of the front offices mistakes over the years because I don’t have time for that, but if you don’t feel they have any mistakes then I might as well be talking to a wall.
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    You know my critique of Rodgers? He forced the ball to Davante way too much. I would have told you that back when Jordy Nelson was still in GB and Adams was dropping half of his passes. It made no sense to me at the time. Then when Adams was the only legitimate WR on the roster and all of the UDFA’s and late round John Doe’s couldn’t catch a cold you understood why Adams was the only guy getting the ball. Because he was the only guy making plays. It’s a doubled edged sword, but that’s what happens when you don’t have a #2 WR for several years. When you don’t plan for Davante’s replacement you end up in the situation they have now.
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    Right, you’re all about facts and persuasion and everyone else just attacks you for no reason. Do you have any self awareness? You have the FIRST post on this article and you start off right away provoking shit and end by referring to “Erin” as “metro man.” Talk about facts. Were you just some innocent victim responding to my personal attacks when you said I belonged on the short bus? Or how about when you said you fucked my mom and sister? Obviously you were just responding to my vile behavior and I was asking for it.
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    Overly sensitive? Lol, no. Just tired of your negativity. Maybe you’re not aware of it, but everyone else here sure is.
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    “Rodgers had the opportunity to leave. He decided to stay. He’s given management the benefit of the doubt. Shouldn’t we?”

    Yes, Rodgers decided to stay but that is not entirely up to him. Gutekunst wanted him back. If you want to brag about Gute’s decision making then that is part of it. Apparently Aaron and Gute have made amends. I can give management the benefit of the doubt. The question is, can you do the same for Rodgers?

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  27. Tom M May 19, 2022

    Bullshit! Rodgers decision to stay was entirely his. Don’t coddle him. Just as it was Davante Adams decision to refuse to play under the franchise tag and force a trade. The whole drama from last off season was to shave a year off Rodgers contract and to force a trade this off-season if Rodgers so desired. He elected to play it safe and be a big fish is a small bond in the NFC north rather than take his drama to Denver and have to compete with the big boys in the AFC west. Mark Murphy as President had two jobs to do. Hire a GM, and hire a HC, then get the hell out of the way and let them do their jobs. He got both right. Brian Gutekunst made it his priority to fix the defense first and he’s done just that. And not just by the draft. He’s had success with free agents and practice squad pickups. This defense looks to be special. He’s had his misses too. Jordan Love and neither of his TE’s have hit. But there isn’t a GM in the NFL who wouldn’t love to have his core players. While Murphy was hiring one of the best young coaches in Matt LaFleur, John Dorsey was hiring the inept and disastrous Freddie Kitchens in Cleveland. Not to be out done, Detroit was hiring train wreck Mike Patricia who made Wayne Fontes look like a genius. Aaron Rodgers is a great regular season statistical QB and until he wins another SB that’s all he is and that’s all he’ll be remembered for. If you and your friends want to tell each other he’s the greatest QB ever. By all means, live the fantasy. I take issue when you and your buddies blame Gutekunst and Murphy for Rodgers failures. Which is a reoccurring theme around here.

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  28. PF4L May 19, 2022

    Tom M May 19, 2022
    Mark Murphy as President had three jobs to do. Hire a GM, and hire a HC, while still fulfilling his duties as an NFLPA attorney.
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    ^ Nailed it! 😲^

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  29. PF4L May 19, 2022

    Lets take a minute and use this as a teaching moment…
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    “Aaron Rodgers is a great regular season statistical QB and until he wins a SB that’s all he is, because i hate him” – Princess
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    (Besides the Packers 2010 SB win and Rodgers SB MVP)
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    Peyton Manning – Super Bowl 50 winning Quarterback
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    12/23 for 141 yards
    0 TD’s
    1 Pick
    56.6 passer rating
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    #Teamgame
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    The guide to the NFL…for Dummies
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    You’re welcome.

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  30. Cheese May 20, 2022

    “Bullshit! Rodgers decision to stay was entirely his.”
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    LOL! Let me guess, Rodgers snuck into Gute’s office in the middle of the night and signed himself to a new contract without Gute knowing about it?
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    If Davante wants to refuse to play and force a trade that’s fine. A player can’t force a GM to keep him on the roster and give him a new contract. Gutekunst is the general manager and has total control of who stays on the roster. If he wants to tell Rodgers to kick rocks and move onto Jordan Love he can do that any time he damn well pleases. Rodgers doesn’t stay on the team and get a new contract without Gute wanting him on the team. Stop making Gute out to be this spineless victim who can’t make his own decisions because big bad Aaron is taking over the front office with his jedi mind tricks.

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  31. Tom M May 21, 2022

    Gutekunst was waiting on Rodgers decision on what he wanted to do. Stay or go. Gutekunst said multiple times we’re prepared either way. So it was absolutely Rodgers call. And like Davante Adams, he wasn’t going to make him stay if he didn’t want to. Rodgers and Adams both were going to get paid no matter where they played. Regardless of what you and Kevin think, this team is built to win it all now. Rodgers gives you the best chance for that over a young and inexperienced Jordan Love. And this is where I disagree with Gutekunst. I would have traded him to Denver regardless of what Rodgers decided because I don’t think he can win a SB. Gutekunst obviously disagrees. And your absolutely right PF4L, Peyton Manning had a shitty game in SB 50. You know who also shits the bed in the playoffs? Aaron Rodgers. Manning won SB 50 because he had a great defense and a run game. Notice a pattern here? Of course you don’t. You both too busy bitching about Rodgers WR’s and comparing Christian Watson to Jeff Janis. Gutekunst is trying a different approach, one that worked not just with Peyton Manning at the end of his career in Denver. But also with far inferior QB’s like Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco. Play defense, run the ball, don’t put it all on your QB. It a formula that’s worked time and time again and one that Gutekunst is trying to recreate. But you girls can’t fathom a SB victory without Rodgers being the hero. We’ve tried that approach and it doesn’t work. It didn’t work with a young John Elway in Denver and it didn’t work with a young Peyton Manning in Indianapolis. Let alone for a young Favre and Rodgers in GB. All great QB’s. All put up great stats. And more often than not ultimately disappointed in the post season. While Tom Brady always had a Belichick defense to back him up. Personally, I’ll take a SB win with a game manager at QB over a regular season stat whore and an MVP winner. But that’s just me.

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  32. PF4L May 21, 2022

    Tom M May 21, 2022
    Gutekunst was waiting on Rodgers decision on what he wanted to do. Stay or go.
    So Rodgers held the Packers team hostage! Trust me Ladies, i know the inner workings of the Packers, and how Gute thinks.
    I hate Rodgers!!
    Manning won SB 50 because he had a great defense and a run game. Notice a pattern here PF4L?

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  33. PF4L May 21, 2022

    Ummm….lemme see, although i’m not sure because i’m clueless…i’ll take a guess and say…umm…..
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    Teams win Championships?
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    Did i get that right sweetheart? (Chuckle)

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  34. PF4L May 21, 2022

    Listen up Princess, this man is being gracious enough to try and teach you something, pay attention.
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    Cheese May 20, 2022
    Gutekunst is the general manager and has total control of who stays on the roster. If he wants to tell Rodgers to kick rocks and move onto Jordan Love he can do that any time he damn well pleases.
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    Now Princess…if Rodgers calls the shots, as you profess…these are some questions to ask yourself….
    1) Did Rodgers draft Love?
    2) If not….why would Gute draft Love, not long after giving Rodgers a huge contract?…
    Did the Packers plan to get rid of Rodgers with Murphy’s blessing by drafting Love?
    3) To follow….why would Gute then give Rodgers “another” record setting contract 2 years later, with Love still sitting on the bench making his millions?
    4) Is this all somehow…Rodgers fault?🤔
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    Since we’re here Princess…. on a 1-10 scale, rate Gute’s first round draft pick strategy, trading up for Love.

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  35. Cheese May 21, 2022

    “Gutekunst was waiting on Rodgers decision on what he wanted to do.”
    “So it was absolutely Rodgers call.”
    Gutekunst was waiting on Rodgers decision because Gutekunst WANTED Rodgers back. If Gutekunst didn’t want Rodgers back it doesn’t matter what Rodgers’ decision is. What part of that doesn’t register for you? Trade him, cut him, get a ton of draft capital, move onto Jordan Love, sign Blake Bortles, sign Baker Mayfield, sign whoever. Gute can do whatever the fuck he wants because he is the GM and everything involving the roster is absolutely HIS CALL.
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    Stop acting like Rodgers is the shadow GM who cast a spell on the front office and is pulling all of their strings like a puppet master. You don’t give a guy a $50million a year contract because you don’t want him. You claim Rodgers isn’t the answer. You claim Love isn’t the answer. What is your answer, Tom? Should the Packers trade the house for Tom Brady and then they will magically win the Super Bowl? Because clearly it was all because of Brady that the Buccaneers won it all. It had nothing to do with their staunch defense and the laundry list of big name free agents they signed the second Brady walked through the door. Meanwhile, Rodgers was begging for a #2 WR and everyone acts like he’s trying to overtake the organization because they signed an aged Randall Cobb, lol.
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    “Regardless of what you and Kevin think, this team is built to win it all now.”
    Really? Tell me how the special teams unit who ranked dead last in the league is built to win it all now. It’s the third time they’ve ranked dead last in the league since 2014. Twice since 2018.
    https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/01/20/packers-special-teams-finish-dead-last-in-gosselins-annual-special-teams-rankings-for-2021/
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    Tell me how a WR core with a boatload of question marks and no #1 WR is built to win it all now. I’m not saying they can’t win it all because weirder things have happened, but to pretend like these areas are a lock and then paint a picture that if this team loses it’s “strictly Rodgers fault because everything else is in place” is complete nonsense.

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  36. PF4L June 2, 2022

    Typical Princess…..
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    Comes in here and talks all big and mighty, but then when questioned, he cowers like a little girl, most likely behind the skirt of his mommy.
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    Been that way since….day one.
    Then wonders why people here call him a c***.

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  37. Tom M June 2, 2022

    Look Kevin, I Come here and give my opinion just like everyone else. You do two things, quote meaningless stats and argue with every post I make. I’m still waiting for you and the girls to answer MY question. How many games are we going to win this year? No one has said a word. Yet you’ll all bitch about WR’s and the Jordan Love pick. What a bunch of pussies! I say we’ll win 11-13 games this year. And if we do, then your all bitching about nothing! As usual. Just for shits and giggles, let’s say Jordan Love is Brian Gutekunst’s Justin Harrell. That means, in the first round, he’s hit on two shut down corners, one of the best young pass rushers in the NFL, a top ten safety, along with Quay Walker and Davante Wyatt. That’s 6-1 on 1st round draft picks. There isn’t a GM in the NFL who wouldn’t give his left nut for that average. I don’t give two shits if Aaron Rodgers was upset over the Jordan Love pick and neither should Brian Gutekunst. He has to make decisions on what he thinks is best for the team both today and long term. You Kevin, can stroke Erin’s ego and whatever else to make him happy. Not Gutekunst’s responsibility. If Erin was so upset by the Jordan Love pick he could have taken his traveling circus to Denver. He decided to stay. He’s also said he liked our draft. He told his buddy Pat McAfee defense wins championships and he’s looking forward to working with Watson. If your hero has no problem with Love, Walker, Wyatt, and Watson then neither should clueless you. I’m cautiously optimistic about the coming season. This is a playoff team stacked with talent. What happens in January will depend on Rodgers. It’s now or never.

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