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A raucous Lambeau field crowd was quieted early as the Packer defense started Monday night’s game like they were back in Jacksonville. But Aaron Rodgers and the offense came to play and with a solid run game and some passes that threaded the tiniest of needles, the Packers took control in the second half. Aaron Jones 4 TD night was impressive. The Packers offense relied on a solid ground game and the defense found a couple of turnovers thanks to Detroit’s newest QB acquisition, Jared Goff.

Last week, the offensive line was frustrated by the Saints. On Monday night, the young trio of Josh Myers, Royce Newman and Jon Runyan consistently opened holes big enough for Aaron Jones to slither through. Rodgers had a QB rating of 145.6 and Aaron Jones ran for 67 yards for a 3.9 average. That may not sound like great numbers for Jones but his long run was only nine yards. Almost every run was for positive yardage. Ruynan was especially impressive. A number of times he pancaked his opponent into the ground and he showed surprising burst while solidly sealing the edge when the Packers pulled him down the line. The offense did give up three sacks but all of them were on plays where Aaron held the ball.

Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers (12) gives advice to defensive back Darnell Savage (26) during the third quarter of their game Monday, September 20, 2021 at Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wis. The Green Bay Packers beat the Detroit Lions 35-17.

The defense… is still a work in progress. Kevin King and Eric Stokes had some major communication issues. The rookie is in a boom or bust learning curve. The good news is the more he played the better he looked. King still looks too slow, both vertically and laterally to be effective against top tier talent. The Packers need Stokes to learn quickly. Edge contain was a repeated problem but the entire defense seemed to ramp up and were attacking more once the offense secured a lead.

Special Teams play was adequate. For the Packers, words like adequate describing their special teams is a huge improvement from prior descriptive vocabulary used to summarize the Packers third phase. Solid punting, one good kick return, one bad coverage. Call it a draw.

If you are a Packer fan you must have a feeling of relief with this 35-17 win. Rodgers made some incredible throws. If you watched the game with the Manning brothers commentary, not only did you get to hear from Brett Favre, you were able to hear HOF quarterbacks gushing at the pinpoint accuracy of Rodgers on his TD throw to Robert Tonyan. Hearing Peyton Manning say he is jealous of Rodgers ability to throw was a classic moment.

The Lions are not the Saints or the 49ers, but they are in the Packer’s conference. The best news is every fan saw improvement in the Packers. The ship is no longer listing. But the voyage has just begun. Next up, the San Jose 49ers.

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Paul Edwards

Paul Edwards is a lawyer, victim advocate, writer, and long term Packer fan and Packer history enthusiast.

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  1. INPKRBKR September 21, 2021

    Came here to see what Tom has to say about the “stats”

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  2. PF4L September 21, 2021

    This place is being taken over by trolls.
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    Let a couple in, and they start breeding with each other like it’s a family reunion.

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  3. PF4L September 21, 2021

    Stokes vs King- PFF
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    King
    6 targets – 5 receptions allowed
    PFF Grade – 50.4
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    Stokes
    5 targets – 1 reception allowed
    PFF Grade – 75.9
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    I know this was only Detroit but, they both were playing Detroit.
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    I say, give Stokes his snaps next game, give him a good test against a good team and if he holds up…it’s all over…STARTER.
    When i say holds up…i mean clearly outplays King.
    He doesn’t have to shut down his side to win the starters job,
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    IT’S TIME!

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    1. Mitch Anthony September 21, 2021

      I see it the very same way. Stokes is a rookie and will make some rookie mistakes. He wasn’t perfect in the entire game but the moments he shined, he shined brightly. I’ll take the upside of Stokes with the risk of a few rookie mistakes versus whatever it is that Kevin King brings to the game because what he will bring to the game is opponents targeting him over and over.

      It warmed my heart the longer I watched the game that I knew, the days of Kevin King must be, have to be, dwindling as frequent on field “participant” in the Green Bay defense. Definitely, it – is – time.

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  4. Tom M September 21, 2021

    My, my, my aren’t you ladies feeling frisky today! I guess that group tug after the win last night has got everyone gushing! Yes, we did win, but “the real story” is the “catch rates” and the “team captains” for that all important coin toss. Right PF4L? For me, the Packers have the look and the feel of a team that peaked last year. It’s still early and it could be they’re still finding their way. But I don’t have the same confidence with nearly the same roster. Runyan is an upgrade over Patrick. And Stokes is an upgrade over King. Both should start. Stokes had several nice plays but his blown coverage gave the Lions their first TD. So it wasn’t all rainbows and butterflies. Expect both good and bad moving forward as he learns how to be an NFL corner. “Micheal Jordan” is going to have to beat the 49ers to get me exited about this team. You can’t play the Lions every week. For someone who wants to play for a California team, Rodgers looks frigid every time he plays at Levi Stadium. Yes, he won last year with Matt Mullens at QB and half the starting defense on IR. Tom Brady would win the game Sunday. Aaron Rodgers probably not.

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    1. Ferris September 21, 2021

      Hey Tom…maybe try not attacking everyone all the time. You really make it difficult for everyone to do anything but insult you.

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      1. Tom M September 22, 2021

        Ferris, I don’t come here to be loved. I’ve got a wife and kids for that. I see the game differently than most of you. I hold Aaron Rodgers to a different standard because he compares himself to Micheal Jordan and Tom Brady. No one has ever had to make excuses for Jordan and Brady. Yet that’s all you get around here for Aaron Rodgers. I get it. Your fanboys. And that’s OK. But when I post an alternative point of view, I’m attacked. This causes me to respond in kind. I’ve said this before, we can agree to disagree and be civil or it can devolve into insulting one another. I usually begin a post by telling you what I see. PF4L, who isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer anyway, will immediately start some meaningless tirade about “team captains” or some other such nonsense on why I’m wrong. I have no problem with an alternative point of view to my own. I don’t, however, find stat filled, fanboy responses a particularly compelling argument. That’s great that Aaron Rodgers had a great game Monday night. But the standard has to be higher than the lowly Detroit Lions who have no NFL WR’s or DB’s yet still gave us all we could handle until midway thru the 3rd quarter. Rodgers is going to have to beat the 49ers Sunday on the road to get my panties wet. With the 49ers and the Steelers up next. We’ll know in two weeks time if this team is a contender or pretender.

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        1. Ferris September 24, 2021

          Well I tried…and once again…it’s YOU’RE fanboys. You are…makes you’re. Geez. Talking about sharp knives…that’s 4th grade stuff.

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          1. Tom M September 24, 2021

            Ferris, you stick to being the grammar police. The rest of us will talk football. Except of course, PF4L who likes to bully. You two make the perfect couple. It’s like you were meant to be together. I’m so happy for the both of you! One question. Who’s the chick in the relationship? Or do you trade off? Just curious……

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          2. PF4L September 24, 2021

            AWE Tommi :(
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            You ok Precious.?

            I’m sorry, here you are trying to teach us civility, and all you do is get picked on and bullied.
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            I’m going to have a serious talk with these men and i’m going to get them right!!
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            You can take that to the bank cuddle cakes.
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            In the meantime, you relax, just sit there and play the victim while i fix this.
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            Don’t worry Princess…..Daddy’s got this.

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  5. Zwoeger September 21, 2021

    What is that with overthrowing MVS several times in this and last week game?

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    1. Dean September 21, 2021

      Plus the throw behind MVS on the short goal line pass. MVS could of had 2 or 3 TDs if the throws were on and no drops.

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      1. Tom M September 21, 2021

        Astute observations gentlemen. Yes, he did. Both games. Rodgers left points on the field. But the ladies around here don’t want to hear any criticism of their man crush. Instead we get PFF grades to tell us the Stokes played better than King. Like we can’t see that ourselves. Just because PF4L lacks critical judgement doesn’t mean the rest of us fall into that category. He thinks he’s telling us something we don’t already know.

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        1. Zwoeger September 22, 2021

          I was only wondering because it was very different to throws at Adams for instance and two games in a row.

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          1. PF4L September 22, 2021

            Maybe he hates MVS and wants to ruin his career.
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            Zwoeger…Rodgers addressed that very issue 2 or 3 times in his presser. It’s really not that hard to find.
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            For those who follow Green Bay Packer football, Rodgers has been very complimentary of MVS since camp. .
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            Rodgers isn’t Tom Brady where he can be perfect and never throw a bad pass.
            Rodgers missed on 5 of his passes Mon night.
            But maybe he can get his head out of his ass and finally have a good game this Sunday night.

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          2. Tom M September 22, 2021

            The criticism is on Rodgers, not MVS. You do understand that, right? I understand criticism of Rodgers is inconceivable to you. So, by your way of thinking, because Rodgers has praised MVS he can now over throw him with impunity? One thing is certain Rodgers doesn’t love MVS nearly as much as Adams or Cobb. Between the two that’s 12 to 15 targets a game. Which of course, isn’t the way LaFleur’s game plan works. That leaves very little for MVS, Lazard, Amari, Tonyan and anyone else. It’s okay if your playing the Lions. Good teams will take away Adams which will lead to more interceptions if the ball isn’t spread around and the game plan ignored.

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          3. PF4L September 22, 2021

            Tom M September 21, 2021
            Astute observations gentlemen
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            Astute…very, very impressive.
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            PSA: Do not underestimate the value of obtaining your General Equivalency Diploma.
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            I’ll trust you passed your exams Tommi…Kudos!

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          4. PF4L September 23, 2021

            Tom M September 22, 2021
            The criticism is on Rodgers, not MVS. You do understand that, right?
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            Tommi……When i wrote..
            “Maybe he hates MVS and wants to ruin his career.”
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            That is an inside joke in here, which 99% of the people understand.
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            But you go ahead with your little tirades, commenting on things you don’t understand.
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    2. Kato September 23, 2021

      Rodgers has a 20% catchable ball rate on throws over 20 yards. That is Cam Newtwonesque. But hey, keep on throwing those balls into nets from 40 yards out, I am impressed!

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      1. PF4L September 23, 2021

        Worry not…you won’t have to put up with a sub standard non performing QB much longer.
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        There is a new Love in town.

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      2. Tom M September 23, 2021

        Oh Kato, here at the church of “Total Packers” the congregation isn’t allowed to question, let alone criticize, Reverend Aaron Rodgers. Only shower him with praise and admiration. Lest you be rebuked by Deacon PF4L. Who will condemn you to hell fire, and eternal damnation! Can I get amen sisters? Of course, you’re absolutely right Kato. What good does it do to have a deep threat if your QB can’t get him the ball? This is two weeks in a row “Micheal Jordan” has missed badly on multiple shots down field to MVS. PF4L will tell you that’s just fine and dandy with MVS because Rodgers “praised” him in camp. Rodgers “praise” is something PF4L craves, MVS, not so much. He wants the damn ball! Every overthrow is costing him money. Don’t let PF4L intimidate you. He’s a fake and a fraud. The more he’s exposed, the more he lashes out.

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        1. PF4L September 24, 2021

          Rodgers mentioned 3 times.
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          PF4L mentioned 4 times. YAY….I win again!!….You’re gettin old Mr. Hollywood! :)
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          Look at that boy above…..Soooo angry!!
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          Kato…Tommy needs a hug and maybe some self assurance,
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          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVA-Bx4rNc0&list=PLrbUhiixB-jLBSIrp-bRwweFCRdc3dOtb&index=2
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          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBl50I4FXFo

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        2. PF4L September 24, 2021

          “PF4L will tell you……………….” – Tommi
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          Tommi will tell you, what PF4L said because he thinks…that’s his job. Just look at all his post…lol
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          Tommi will also tell you, what PF4L said, when in reality, PF4L never said such a thing.
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          These…are the day of our totalpackers site.
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          Perfectly good football discussion and in walks a rat. (i’m being kind with my words).
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          I say….keep [you] incestual thoughts and desires, within your own Trailer Park Community.
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          The places Tommi could have gone. The stars he could have reached. If only, he had spent more time studying for his GED.
          ************
          Now GDI…what about this Mark Murphy thing?
          I keep hearing rumors about that.
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          NFLPA attorney? Is any of this true?
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  6. Ferris September 21, 2021

    King does not deserve a uniform. Lose his helment…do anything to keep him off the field. I’ll take Stokes 100 times.

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    1. Mick September 22, 2021

      I’m with you on that Ferris!!!! King needs to sit. A few others need to sit as well, mainly Lancaster and Lowry. I watched both of those guys repeatedly get blown off the line of scrimmage; ineffective against the run, and also very limited in the pass rush. That is putting a lot of pressure on our LBs. I’m also wondering if Keke will ever get it. I’ll give him more time only because he is probably struggling and adjusting to J. Barry. The other two have seen plenty of playing time, and lets face it; they are what they are. serviceable! How management cannot see the weaknesses on the D front; is beyond me!

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  7. PF4L September 22, 2021

    Tom M September 22, 2021
    Ferris, I don’t come here to be loved. I’ve got a wife and kids for that.
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    Lol…i can just imagine…..
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    My first thought was sympathy for your wife, but then again, maybe you’re the best that she can do.
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    Do you ask your wife who is better sexually, her dad or her brother?
    If so….which one did she say?
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    We know how much you like to discuss family sex.
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    1. Ed September 22, 2021

      I think Tommy’s making shit up again. He just made her (and the kids) up.
      Come on. Does anyone really think some women could put up with this kid.

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    2. Tom M September 22, 2021

      My first thought was your fat, unemployed ass will never have a wife. And no, your niece or sister doesn’t count. Now, back to football. Your the only one who thinks Rodgers praise of MVS means anything. Much like your theory on “team captains.”MVS is in a contract year. He needs big numbers to secure that lucrative second contract. If Rodgers continues to overthrow him, you think MVS can say, “sure, my numbers are down but Aaron Rodgers praised me in camp so give me 50 million.” It doesn’t work that way. If I’m MVS I sign elsewhere if Rodgers is back in 2022, which is highly unlikely. Just remember, on these old QB’s, the deep ball is the first to go.

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      1. PF4L September 22, 2021

        Well, i found Tommi commenting on Rodgers.
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        This also explains his poor grammar.
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        SKOL
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        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpsGzlULYnA

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      2. Ferris September 24, 2021

        Tom you mean…You’re the only one. Tom how many times do I need to do this? You children need to stop the wife and fat comments, but Mom jokes are OK.

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    3. Kato September 23, 2021

      There was a time back where I brought up how someone’s wife has to be miserable with them, and people got pissed at me. PF4L, you are crossing a line here dude. If you don’t have a valid argument, you move on to insulting. How goddamned .miserable are you? I get the pandemic has people all hot and bothered, but you sir are getting a little out of hand

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      1. PF4L September 23, 2021

        Eat a dick Kato.
        Skip me next time. Go cry directly to Jason, if he gives no fuck then go tell your problems to Jesus, maybe he cares, i don’t.
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        For someone who used to do the same shit as Tommi, putting words in people’s mouths. Don’t try taking some moral high ground, especially with me.
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        Gee Kato…i didn’t see you rebuke Tommi for his mother, sister, niece sexual insults directed at good Packer fans who have been here for years as (crossing the line) did you?
        Way to have their back. Now you have Tommi’s back? Good job…lol.
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        Introduce yourself to Tommi…make a friend, buy each other, candy, flowers and a new dress…i give no fuck..
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        Maybe Rodgers will have another bad game against the 49ers. That should keep you and Tommi happy and busy for awhile.

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  8. PF4L September 22, 2021

    Tom M September 22, 2021
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    When I post an alternative point of view, I’m attacked. This causes me to respond in kind. I’ve said this before, we can agree to disagree and be civil or it can devolve into insulting one another.- Tommi
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    Wait….Tommi has been the “victim” in here this whole time? YOU POOR THING!!
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    Now i understand!…Tommi..is actually the civil one in here, and attacks ONLY after being attacked?
    Is that what i was reading?….lol
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    Hmmm ….interesting…That explains why Cheese (who i never saw attack anyone since i’ve been here), was asked by Tom who is better sexually, his mom or his sister.
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    Or who could forget Tommi’s CIVIL discussion with MMSUCKS….
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    Tom M July 30, 2021
    Sure, just as soon as I’m finished with you mom….
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    Tom M July 30, 2021
    I’m moving there with your mom. Hope you’ll come visit! And yes, you can call me daddy!!
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    Tom M July 31, 2021
    Now don’t get jealous cheesy. I’ll get around to your mom next. Or maybe your sister. Tell me, which one is best?
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    To say that Tommi is the “civil” one in here is like saying that Mark Murphy was an attorney for the NFLPA.

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    1. PF4L September 22, 2021

      Never a response….
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      Because he knows he’s a cunt, and a coward.

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      1. Tom M September 22, 2021

        A cunt and a coward? And your talking about civility? That’s rich sweetheart. Did I ever mention the word victim? If you want to dance, bring it. You don’t know football. And if you want to continue to embarrass yourself be my guest. I’m here to help.

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        1. PF4L September 22, 2021

          JC….lol….You brought up civility, not me dumb fuck.
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          Look….i don’t want to call you a cunt and a coward, but listen, and listen up close.
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          You’ve earn, what you’ve earned. I’m not hearing anyone disagreeing with me.
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          No, i don’t know anything about football. What i do know…is your bullshit when i read it..
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          What….you think you’re fooling anyone?….lol
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          Nobody in here likes you, you know that.
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          But you’re like the outcast who has no where else to go.
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          You keep up the charade, you keep talking tough.
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          It’s what keyboard cowards do.
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          Now….can we finally tackle this Mark Murphy – NFLPA attorney thing?
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          OOPS…i forgot…..Coward

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          1. Tom M September 23, 2021

            Evidently you don’t understand the difference between the word victim and civility. I said victim. What a surprise. I’m not here to earn your respect or anyone else’s. Talk of your team captains and your catch rates. Give us stats to tell us Stokes is better than King because you can’t see it in their play. And talk of your love of Aaron Rodgers. You’ve only got about 15 games left. Then, free from the shackles of the Green Bay Packers, Aaron Rodgers will go on to win multiple SB’s with his new team. In you mind.

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          2. PF4L September 23, 2021

            YAWN
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            “In you mind” – Christ…c’mon man,…seriously?

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            Lol….We haven’t heard you repeat the words stats, catch rates and captains enough…don’t stop at 50…can you do it some more?
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            Or are you too busy playing the civil weak victim who is bullied in here?
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            I know exactly what you’re thinking Tommi….
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            But listen, my mom passed some years ago, and i don’t have any sisters or nieces.

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          3. Tom M September 23, 2021

            And you sweetheart can’t stop talking about me! You can’t stop quoting me! You can’t stop thinking about me! I’m all up in your retarded head! And I’m fucking with you right now! Your my bitch, got it?

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          4. Ferris September 24, 2021

            Once you pop in the R word Tom…all respect (even though there wasn’t any) for you is lost. Where have you been? Just stop fool. We know exactly what and who you are now.

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          5. Tom M September 24, 2021

            It’s so touching when you defend PF4L, Ferris. I sense a genuine affection. Sure, your not his niece but I’m sure you could dress up just like her and play make believe. Just like you two make believe Aaron Rodgers is the GOAT. Look, if you’ve got a compelling argument on why I’m wrong, I’m happy to listen. But if the best you can do is criticize me because I miss a comma, then you’re a pussy! See, honey, I did it again! Just for you! It’s the same with PF4L. He’s a dumb shit. Never has an intelligent thought and can only quote stats. Then when he verbally tries to spare with me, he replaces stats with quotes, my quotes. Yes, PF4L, we all know what I’ve said. We can read. But he’ll panic because he has no response so he’ll throw in mindless quotes just like he does with stats. And of course my favorite, when he repeats the same response twice. That’s an obvious admission he has nothing intelligent to say. And you two Ferris, are perfect for each other…

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          6. PF4L September 24, 2021

            Rodgers mentioned once.
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            PF4L mentioned 3 times :)
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            Move over Rodgers…There’s a new Sheriff in town.
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            Let me translate the rest of what i read…
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            “quotes, stats, pussy, quotes, affection, stats, my quotes, niece, make believe, panic, mindless, stats, quotes, dumb, shit.”
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            What else? Here’s a good one.
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            “Then when he verbally tries to spare with me, he replaces stats with quotes, my quotes.”
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            But enough about him….
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            I have to go spar with someone, plus i got a flat so i have to go put my spare on.
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            Stay in school kids!!
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          7. rebelgb September 25, 2021

            LOL Tom I think your in PF4L’s head like Trump is in Libs heads! TDR! Except with PF4L its Tommi Derangement Syndrome!

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          8. PF4L September 25, 2021

            It’s Tom….show some respect, JC!!

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          9. To September 25, 2021

            Hey PF4L, let’s count how many times you mention me! It’s over 10 and I know the addition gets kinda fuzzy after you get to double digits, but you can do it! You just have to think of it like your quoting stats. It’ll come right to you!

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          10. PF4L September 25, 2021

            Hey buddy,
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            Ya know Tom, you’re right, i can’t argue with you.
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            Matter of fact, i had a come to Jesus talk with some of the boys round here bout you and i asked them…..No…i demanded they treat you better, better with more respect. and not to make you a victim.
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            I then had a banana thrown at my head, but i kept going.
            I told them all you want to do is come in here, show respect to everyone, and talk a lil football, maybe teach a little civility. Then a bunch of them cried foul, accusing you of things….and i said…show me proof!
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            They couldn’t…..so i say it never happened.
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            I told them you were good, honest and you were all about teaching all of us some civility.
            I told these guys they made you a victim, and they bullied you and you didn’t deserve it.
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            Then somebody starting yelling obscenities’, so i kicked him out.
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            Like i said friend….I got this :)

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  9. Deepsky September 22, 2021

    Any competent offense could score 35 points on this defense easily. A good defense will just about score at will on this Packer team. This could very well be the worst Packer defense I have ever seen, except for maybe the early 80s. Worse than the worst Capers teams. The hiring of Joe Barry will one day be regarding as one of the biggest Packer mistakes in their history, the thing that caused Rodgers final year with the Packers to be a bust. It reminds me of when, in anger, Mike Sherman fired Ed Donatell and named Slowik who was way worse than Donatell. Then as now, the coach blamed the defense, even though the offense really was at fault. Yeah, the Packers will likely win the division, but the playoffs will be an other embarrassing quick exit, probably at Lambeau field to some journeyman quarterback. The big difference for the better play this week was because Aaron Jones looked much faster than last week. It looks like he got his game legs back. The offensive line still had issues. Rodgers still missed some easy throws.

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    1. Stiggy September 22, 2021

      I 100% agree with this post. Last year was the year the packers should have thrown the cap out the window and gone all in. They did it a year too late to pull together a team that isn’t as good. They are down two all pro offensive linemen…lost their glue guy (Williams) to fa…and just don’t seem to have the same swagger.

      This brings us back to the Jordan love pick yet again. Although I will say…he doesn’t look terrible.

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    2. Tom M September 22, 2021

      Two things changed in the second half of the Lions game. First, Stokes replaced King which greatly tightened up the second CB position. And secondly, we blitzed more. The pressure clearly affected Goff. Throwing and INT and shutting the Lions out in the second half. It remains to be seen if such a strategy will be effective against the 49ers. As for Jones, he’s always been more effective in space than between the tackles. Being utilized more in the passing game this week. It paid big dividends.

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      1. PF4L September 22, 2021

        In case anyone missed it, some comedy in the 4th quarter 3:00 left.
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        King is playing right corner. Goff throws an outlet pass to Swift, watch what Swift did to King.
        King never laid a finger on him

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      2. Howard September 23, 2021

        I think there is slight misunderstanding about what occurred in the cornerback rotation in this game. On the second defensive play of the game the Packers brought in Stokes as the RCB. This was the game plan. When the Lions were in 11 personnel the Packers would bring in Stokes and move King to the star. Whenever the lions ran 12 or 21 personnel King was still the RCB and Stokes was on the sideline. The reason it appeared Stokes took over for King in the 2nd half is because the Lions ran more three + receiver sets as they dropped further behind. It was Sullivan that appeared to lose his job as the star to King and was relegated to the dime back.
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        In the fourth quarter the Packers started moving Alexander to cover the slot. The Packers may have wanted Alexander to matchup with a certain receiver? The Packers then used Stokes as the LCB rather than King. To me the LCB should be your best corner as most offenses throw more to the right side. For the Packers to put Stokes at the LCB and have King play the RCB tells me the Packers are ready to make the move to Stokes to replace King as the RCB. King (this is still a concern) will be the star. Sullivan is demoted to the dime. If the Packers move Alexander to the star in certain games when a team goes to 11 personnel then I think Stokes is the LCB and King is the RCB.

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        1. PF4L September 23, 2021

          When Stokes was in at rcb for the 2nd play, i noticed it immediately. King was playing the slot against Hockenson, it looked like if Kings man ran deep, they were supposed to switch but King was late getting over on Raymond.
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          3rd play, saw King back at rcb against Cephus. King plays up and tight, Cephus jukes King, King almost fell backwards on his ass, he recovered but Cephus caught a pass for 46 yards (could easily have been more).
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          I always thought Sullivan has to be pretty bad. Mostly because, if King played hurt in the past, Sullivan wasn’t a put in for him…as a better option than an injured King? I always found that curious. After watching Sullivan, you can’t help but think, why is he still on the roster. He can’t be replaced with a better option?
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          No one i’ve ever seen on the web, knows more about football than Howard.
          Compared to him, Tommi’s right, i don’t know football
          I’ve learned plenty through the years reading Howards post.
          Sometimes were thinking the same.
          And maybe once in all the years past i maybe said one thing he didn’t think of….maybe
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          We all have our own thing, i like evaluating individual play, coaches performance, appreciating what the players, the refs do, critiquing this, that and the other thing.
          I will credit anyone coaches, players, even Gute when the praise is earned. I think everyone here knows that.
          But i don’t drink Kool Aid and i’ll call it as i see it.
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          Back to my point about Howard, and i might not even be Howards favorite Packer fan, and i don’t care..
          BUT…If i need to know anything about football, if i have any technical deep questions.
          Howard is the the only one person i want to ask, or defer to.
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          Howard and i don’t always agree, but it’s fairly rare that i know of, But deep deep respect, because…
          When it comes to football knowledge, Howard is the man on top of the silver mountain (period)
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          Howard, if you know….who was responsible for the touchdown on the end of that 1st drive? I know there seemed to be miscommunication’ and/or somebody just didn’t know their assignment.
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          My best guess is Stokes, but i don’t know.

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          1. PF4L September 23, 2021

            Recap….When i mentioned King played up and tight on Cephus, he still got burned.
            A lot of people agree that the defense plays too far off. I agree to a point.
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            The point being…since his rookie year, King has always been easy to juke and lose his man at the line.
            With King…i don’t think it matters much.
            I’ve wrote in years past that King playing off 10-12 yards, “delays” him getting beat.
            He’ll still get beat, but he’s in the play longer.
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            I don’t know man…Kings asset coming in the NFL was he’s long. But he could have 40 inch arm length, would it even matter?
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            To me…it’s freaking amazing how after the NFCCG in Kings 4th year…then…all the talk is about how bad King plays.
            Was this was something new to people?
            Does Gute draft Stokes if King didn’t shit the bed in that game?
            IDK.
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            We have to wait for Stokes to prove it over a larger body of work, but what i’m seeing so far, is the possible budding of a star with Stokes.

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          2. Howard September 23, 2021

            Thanks PF4L. The football respect is mutual. It is always hard to know the call on the 1st blown TD, but I believe LaFleur said near the end zone King should have followed the inside receiver to the outside. It sounds like the DBs would have switched if the play was outside the end zone area, or inside the open field area. Interesting that King wouldn’t know the coverage rules, but Stokes did know.

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          3. Mick September 23, 2021

            I read LaFleurs’ explanation on the CB’s mix up against the Lions. On the 1st TD, Stokes and King weren’t on the same page. Stokes, lined up wide, stuck with the slant route inside, while King, who was playing the slot, thought that there was a switch on and stayed inside. The breakdown had 2 players on one receiver and left Cephus wide open, and Goff found him after he went thru his progression and got to the backside of the play. LaFleur said a lack of experience for King in the slot contributed to the breakdown. The Packers have specific rules for switching within quarters coverage based on where the defense is on the field. The rules change in the red zone. At that spot on the field, a switch wasn’t supposed to happen and King should have stuck with Cephus. On the 2nd TD, LaFleur said it was on the CB, (Stokes), to “fall off” coverage and help the LB in coverage against Hockinson. Campbell was trailing in coverage but never got help from Stokes, who got lured inside. Goff put the ball over the top in the perfect spot, and the TE made a great catch. Again, it was quarters coverage.

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          4. Dean September 23, 2021

            I think V. Scott the safety may be able to play soon. May free up Savage to play the star a few snaps a game depending on match ups. At least, another possible option in addition to Alexander playing the star a few snaps a game.

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          5. Mick September 24, 2021

            You might be right Dean, I’ll take a chance on Scott in that role. King just can’t turn and run quick enough for the star position, I’m thinking SF will exploit King whatever position he plays. At the risk of making a few mistakes, let him learn. If he fits the role, it will benefit the D later in the season. He is a better athlete and tackler than King.

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          6. PF4L September 23, 2021

            Wow…MLF went through all that?
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            I don’t care if King blows a coverage for 2 reasons..
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            Obviously, he’s very new, it’s expected. It’s part of the learning process, The great ones learn from their mistakes, they don’t keep repeating them for years.
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            Here’s the best thing….Except for a blown coverage, he looks nothing like a rookie. Which reminds me of someone we know on the other side.
            By that i mean Stokes is usually right with the receiver to challenge. A trait you saw with Alexander even in his rookie season.
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            They say it takes 3 years to judge a draft pick.
            I say….sometimes the really good ones…clue you in, in their rookie season.
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            As an add….Before that game Stokes gave up 1 pass in 5 targets. King gave up 5 passes in 6 targets. In those 5 passes, King gave up 137 yards. There is a reason PFF graded him in the 50’s 3 of 4 years.
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            Anyone notice that Rashan Gary is an excellent teammate? When somebody makes a play he looks genuinely excited and always congratulates that player, dances around celebrating with the others.
            That tells me he’s probably a really good guy and a good team guy.
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            But….at some point, he is going to need other players to come and support him after he’s made a play.
            He seems to hustle and try hard. But what i see is he gets close, but he’s usually late.
            Much like the last 2 years, but his effort before has garnered him some flash plays.
            With the Packers lack of pass rush so far, he could make a statement, and money.
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            We’ll see how it goes, but, he has to know that…
            1) With Z out, this is his opportunity
            2) .Also …the money, after this season the Packers must decide if they want to 5th year option him.
            He should have as many snaps by the 8 game or so as he had all last season.
            As a wise man once said….IT’S TIME!
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  10. PF4L September 22, 2021

    Random….is anyone going to sack the QB this season?
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    In 2018 the Packers led by Kyler Fackrell had 44 sacks
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    In 2019 with the Smith Brothers and the 12th pick of the draft the Packers had 41 sacks.
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    In 2020 with the Smith Brothers and the 12th pick of the 2019 draft the Packers had 41 sacks
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    Some think a teams front 7 has little something to do with the outcome of a game besides the QB…..Who knew?
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    OMG…i mentioned football stats in a football blog. WTF was i thinking?
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    Shit…i’m probably going to get a verbally insulting beatdown!….lol

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  11. PF4L September 22, 2021

    Tom M September 22, 2021
    My first thought was your fat, unemployed ass will never have a wife. And no, your niece or sister doesn’t count.
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    Atta Boy Tommy….keepin it civil

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  12. PF4L September 22, 2021

    Remember this Tommi….
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    The longer you stay on our site, the longer you will burn in hell.
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    And the quicker you’ll get there.

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  13. PF4L September 23, 2021

    Because…how often is this going to happen?
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    2021 Ryder Cup hosted by Whistling Straights Haven, Wisconsin
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    With Wisconsin’s own Steve Stricker and Dublin’s Padraig Harrington serving as Captains.
    Two of arguably the classiest gentleman to step on a golf course.
    I see nothing but great sportsmanship between these two.
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    The players? Well…we’ll see.
    Play cold, play to win, give no quarter.
    But at the end of the day shake hands, break bread and toast the days winners..
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    Give em hell Red ,White and Blue!!

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    1. Mick September 24, 2021

      Yup, this event is usually held every other year but was derailed last year a/c the pandemic. Although it is not considered a golf major, I think it takes a backseat to no other golf competition. While the 4 majors are won by individuals, this is a team competition; the best American golfers against the best Euro golfers. The players and fans on both sides of the pond are really passionate about this event and it is filled with drama and team spirit. The European teams have dominated this event in the last couple of decades. I can’t think of a better outcome than for the American team to take the cup back——— and do it on Wisconsin soil!

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      1. PF4L September 24, 2021

        Preach my man….Preach!

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  14. PF4L September 25, 2021

    “PF4L will tell you……………….” – Tommi
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    Here’s the thing Tommi, here’s where you fall off the tracks.
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    This discussion forum doesn’t need you to tell people….what i said.
    That isn’t your job here to be my spokesman.
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    Especially when you misquote, when make things up, manipulate what i said to better suit your narrative.
    Most here are of above average intelligence Princess.
    They don’t need you to tell them what i say.
    They can read and understand what they are reading.
    They can also dissect the bullshit you spew in here.
    Hence….how you are treated.
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    I know Tommi, i know…..
    You’re not here to be loved or make any friends.
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    Might i say….that is the one talent you do possess.
    People disliking you.
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    In the interest of society. I’d hope you have better people skills….off line.
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    That isn’t code for tell me a story of how great your life is off-line.
    Nobody here would believe you anyway.

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