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Green Bay Has Completed Its Turnover of Chief Strategists

The Packers have for some time been cautious and deliberate when it comes to making key personnel decisions – they have a well-earned reputation for being slow to respond to challenges. Going back 15 to 20 years, the organization has had but one president since 2007. They’ve had just two general managers since 2005, two (non-interim) head coaches since 2006, and two defensive coordinators from 2009 through 2020. The exception has been on the offensive side, where from 2007 to 2021 they’ve had four offensive coordinators: Joe Philbin, Tom Clements, Edgar Bennett, and (from 2019 to the present) Nathaniel Hackett.

The Packers have rather quietly and rather recently entrusted their future to a new wave of football strategists. This post looks at that progression from a wide perspective.

General Manager

Brian Gutekunst is now in his fourth year as the team’s GM. He represents a vast difference in thinking and personality compared to Ted Thompson, who had the job from 2005 through 2017. Though Gutekunst has come under heavy fire for QB Aaron Rodgers’ present unhappiness, his willingness to take risks in drafting and otherwise acquiring players has featured several notable successes.

Think what you will about the drafting of Jordan Love, Gutey was surely focused on the long-term success of the team – that strategy might well be hailed as a stroke of genius ten years down the road. At any rate, Brian has shown a willingness to do whatever it takes to stack the roster with capable players – unlike Uncle Ted – and this year’s roster appears to be the team’s strongest, across the board, in the past ten years.

Packers DC Joe Barry

May 25, 2020; Green Bay, WI, USA; Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator Joe Barry during the second day of organized team activities. Mark Hoffman/Milwaukee Journal Sentinel-USA TODAY NETWORK

Defensive Coordinators

It would be hard to find an NFL defensive coordinator as unexciting as either Dom Capers (2009-2017) or Mike Pettine (2018-2020). Certainly, one cannot fault their experience. In fact each DC had formerly been a head coach: Capers with the Panthers (1995- 98) and Texans (2002-05), and Pettine with the Browns (2014-2015). Their respective head coaching records are 48 and 80, and 10 and 22. My guess is that the two are skilled as tacticians, but don’t possess all the leadership qualities needed to handle all the functions of a head coach.

Respected? Sure. Well liked? I think so. But these two guys were anything but inspirational. Football, whether professional or amateur, and whether with players earning millions of dollars or playing for the fun of it, is still a “game.” In hindsight, I’d have to say that the previous two DCs were not attuned to player motivation – rendering them mediocre, if not downright poor, selections for this many-faceted job. One needs to be on the sidelines, not in the press box, in order to motivate the troops at crunch time.

Joe Barry, who just turned 51, was not greeted with much enthusiasm by Packers fans, simply because his previous stints as a defensive coordinator did not bear fruit. With Detroit in 2007-08, the Lions were dead last in both yards and points surrendered each season; with Washington in 2015-16, the Redskins finished in 28th place in yards given up both years, and went from 17th to 19th in points given up. He was let go after two years by each team.

When the announcement was made that Barry would replace Pettine, some thought that LaFleur felt he had to be let Pettine go, and Barry was the best he could come up with. Barry, however, was well known to LaFleur going back to years spent with the Redskins. Kyle Shanahan was the Skins’ offensive coordinator from 2010 through 2013; LaFleur was the Skins’ QB coach from 2010 through 2013; Sean McVay was on the Skins’ coaching staff from 2010 through 2016, including being the OC from 2014-16; and Barry was the Skins’ DC in 2015 and 2016, before joining up again with McVay in Los Angeles, where he was the Assistant head coach and linebackers coach there from 2017 through 2020.

Las Vegas had its Rat Pack, with Frank, Dean, Sammy, Joey, etc. The NFL has something similar in Mike, Kyle, Sean, Matt, and Joe. Mike Shanahan was the Skins’ head coach from 2010 through 2013. He, along with son Kyle, Matt LaFleur, Sean McVay, and Joe Barry have remained the closest of friends for almost a decade now. I suspect that Matt was very comfortable and delighted over the prospect of Barry joining the Packers. Time will tell if it’s a match made in heaven.

Offensive Coordinators

The three OCs who preceded Nathaniel Hackett never drew much criticism at their jobs. Joe Philbin (2011-15) actually left Green Bay to become the Dolphins’ head coach, then returned to the Packers, again as OC (and interim head coach) in 2018. He’s now – and more fittingly – an offensive line coach with the Cowboys. He won 24 games and lost 28 as Miami’s head coach. Philbin shared a lot of the characteristics of GM Ted Thompson. My guess is that the Packers brought Philbin back in 2018 strictly as a temporary measure, and while the team transitioned its offense away from the West Coast model.

Tom Clements is another respected man with a wealth of football experience. He came to the Packers as a quarterbacks coach, and held down that job from 2006 to 2011. I believe he was awarded the OC job due to his tutelage of, and friendship with, Aaron Rodgers. I can’t recall that Clements had any particular innovations or successes while the Pack’s OC. After two years at the job, it seemed the front office eased him out by giving him the title of assistant head coach.

Clements served as assistant HC for two years. He then moved on from Green Bay to become the pass game coordinator and quarterbacks coach for two years under Bruce Ariens in Arizona. In early 2019, there appeared to be only two quality head coaching candidates: Ariens and Matt LaFleur. Each has fared well to date, but especially Ariens at Tampa Bay. The 68-year-old Clements announced his retirement from coaching in January.

From 2005 through 2014, Edgar Bennett was the Packers RB coach for six years and the WR coach for four more years. Unlike the other OCs and DCs, Bennett’s coaching experience was less lengthy and exclusively with the Packers. He went west in 2018, joining the Raiders, where he’s currently their WR coach. As with Clements, Bennett did little that was notable as a coordinator.

Nathaniel Hackett has been a cheerful ray of sunshine for this team. The only worry concerning him is how long he’ll remain here before he’s offered a desirable head coaching job elsewhere. Like LaFleur, at only 41 years old, the two still have a lot to learn, and plenty of time to do so.

Green Bay Packers Maurice Drayton special teams assistant coach Maurice Drayton is shown during the second quarter of their game Sunday, December 25, 2018 at Soldier Field in Chicago, Ill.

Special Teams Coordinator

The elevation of Maurice Drayton, from assistant special teams coordinator to head STC is further evidence of the front office’s long-term game plan. Drayton, who is only 44 – held the former job for three years. It’s likely that he’ll be given no more than two years to reverse the fortunes of the special teams. Given that Green Bay’s special teams have been rated near the very bottom of the league for years, this shouldn’t be too difficult a task.

Before Drayton, Matt LaFleur brought back Shawn Mennenga to the NFL. His only previous NFL coaching experience was from 2011 through 2017 as the Browns’ assistant STC. The hiring of the now-50 year old Mennenga was a swing and a miss by LaFleur.

Before that, Ron Zook, who is now 67, was the team’s STC from 2015 through 2017. Zook was a veteran coach, including being a college head coach for 10 years at Florida and Illinois. After some initial success, the team’s special teams plummeted. He’s now a senior analyst at the University of Maryland. Zook was an enthusiastic sideline cheerleader – perhaps he just didn’t have much talent to work with, as the Packers fell to a 7-9 record in his last year here.

Summary

It appears that the focal point to all of the team’s above personnel moves has been the changeover in general managers from Thompson to Gutekunst. Brian must have effectively presented his plans to transition to a wide zone offense to President Mark Murphy, who must have eagerly endorsed the strategy.

The selections of Hackett as offensive coordinator already appears to be a resounding success. We must await the results on Barry and Drayton.

Barry and Drayton will be closely monitored – indications are that an impatient front office will expect vast and immediate improvement. It also appears that both coordinators have plenty of manpower to be successful – though this wasn’t the case for the special teams until recently.

In sum, over the past three-plus years the Packers have revamped these four key jobs, bringing in younger, more progressive, more energetic, and more risk-taking people. The newcomers also seem to have been given greater authority and independence than some of their predecessors. In the cases of Capers and Pettine, however, many think those two were given too much independence and too little oversight.

As for Brian Gutekunst, though a bunch of pundits have written that the easy solution to the Aaron Rodgers holdout is firing him, I’d say his job is utterly secure. Mark Murphy has strongly endorsed him, and if what was said above is fairly accurate Gutey is at the very center of the team’s strategic plans and vision. You’ve got to give him a good deal of the credit for the team’s turnaround over the past two seasons. The Pack has an abundance of top talent, which is one of the GM’s most important duties. Another is having vision, and it’s Gutekunst’s vision that’s blazing the trail of this organization.

One caveat: I don’t pretend to know how the team’s front office operates, so I might have missed the mark here or there. I’d welcome the insights of anyone who has a better feel for what goes on behind the (public) scenes.

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Rob Born

Smart drafters don’t select the best available players, they fill a team’s positions of greatest need.

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124 Comments

  1. Mick July 9, 2021

    Good stuff Rob! I don’t pretend to have an idea of what goes on at 1265, or out in California, or wherever #12 is vacationing. One can only guess as to what Rodgers’ beautiful mystery is. I do think that Barry has the most to prove, thus he’ll be under close scrutiny from day one. As far as special teams go; Drayton probably will have a longer leash knowing that unit is always shifting players around. Shuffling players around often leads to inconsistency. However, ST’s have been a sore spot for so long, any improvement will be a plus. If #12 does not return, and Love takes this team to the playoffs, you can bet Hackett will be a hot coordinator candidate for a head coaching gig next year.

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  2. Cheese July 9, 2021

    “Brian has shown a willingness to do whatever it takes to stack the roster with capable players – unlike Uncle Ted”
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    Ted did a lot of dumb stuff but one thing he did do right was he kept the WR room stacked at all times, and rightfully so, while having two HOF QB’s. Gutekunst gutted the WR room and has made next to no effort to build it back up with top tier talent aside from late round projects and UDFA’s.

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    1. Stephen July 9, 2021

      How do U load up the talent, under the salary cap, and still overpay Rodgers. If he needs a receiver, why doesn’t he buy one ?

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      1. PF4L July 10, 2021

        Stephen makes sense…doesn’t he?
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        Now how does that work Stephen?
        Does the MVP of the league buy his own receiver and pay him directly, or…..
        Does Rodgers need to take a pay cut, and have the team transfer that money to the new receiver?
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        Also, if Rodgers pays for the new receiver directly or indirectly, does Rodgers have any say in who the receiver is?
        Does he then have…input?
        Also, does he have to pay for that players uniforms, reimburse the team for that players medical coverage?
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        Stephen feels Rodgers was(is) overpaid…apparently.
        Rodgers is tied for 5th in highest paid NFL QB per average year.
        He’s tied with All-World QB Jared Goff at 33.5 million per year
        Kurt Cousins is 6th at 33 million a year.

        Question Stephen….Have any other Packers been overpaid?
        Or is Rodgers the only one you care to mention?
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        Not only do the Packers still have a disease in the building.
        Some of the comments in here…..HOLY SHIT.
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        Just like how some parents shouldn’t have children.
        Some people shouldn’t be…Packer fans.
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        Stephen probably agree’s that Managers manage, and players play,
        But…wants Rodgers to buy his own players.
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        That’s coming from (as far as i know) a Packer fan.
        How embarrassing.

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        1. PF4L July 10, 2021

          People like Tommy, Stephen would get called out pretty heavy in here awhile back, because this was a no bullshit Packer website. But now…i don’t man.
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          We don’t know who these new readers are, they could be bear, viking,or lions fans for all we know, they’re new here.
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          One thing we do know…they hate Rodgers (remind you of anyone?). That’s the common denominator.
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          I asked for an IP check earlier, i was ignored….¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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          1. Tom M July 11, 2021

            Wrong again PF4L. I don’t hate Rodgers. I just don’t suck his dick like you and your girlfriends do. And just because I know your full of shit doesn’t make me a Bears, Vikings, or Lions fan either. I’m willing to listen to an alternative viewpoint. You just can’t seem to articulate one….

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          2. PF4L July 12, 2021

            Well, you do articulate well Tommy. Nobody questions your higher education when you write….
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            “I just don’t suck his dick like you and your girlfriends do.”
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            I’m sure when you speak….you demand respect…lol
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            STAY IN SCHOOL KIDS

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          3. Tom M July 12, 2021

            It’s a metaphorical reference, not a literal one. I don’t expect you ladies to understand that….

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      2. Tom M July 11, 2021

        There in lies the paradox Stephen. Aaron Rodgers could have restructured his contract and Brian Gutekunst would have been a player in FA this year signing a WR and a CB to help put us over the top. We know this because player agents said the Packers were trying to free up cap money from a players contract. Of course it was Rodgers but he said no. He wanted a contract extension. He’s already under contact until he’s 40 and guaranteeing more money to any player after he’s 40 and more than three years away is unwise. Look, I have no problem with Rodgers demanding to be the highest paid player. But you can’t have it both ways. Be paid the highest then cry like a little bitch that management isn’t doing enough to help you. That’s not the way Tom Brady works. He counts a mere 17 million on the cap this year so the Bucs could resign their guys and make another run. While Rodgers counts 37 million and wants to be traded to the Broncos where he doesn’t stand a snow balls chance of winning a championship but still be the highest paid player. It’s why Brady is the GOAT and Rodgers a stat whore.

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        1. PF4L July 12, 2021

          What Tommy fails to mention….is that Brady counts 24 million against the Bucs cap in 2023-2025, even when he is no longer there.
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          That not entirely Tommy’s fault for not knowing that.
          It is no sin being born simple minded.
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          But that’s why the rest of us are here, to help Tommy understand things more clearly.
          Sure…sometimes it take awhile, even weeks.
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          But nonetheless, we’re here to help.
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          You’re welcome Tommy.

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          1. Tom M July 12, 2021

            The goal is to repeat it’s why you restructure. Brady won’t be playing in 2025. If the Bucs win back to back SB’s. Whatever the cap hit will be well worth the sacrifice. I could see Brady pulling a John Elway. Winning two in a row at the end of his career then riding off in the sunset. Brady would own the state of Florida if he could pull it off. And I wouldn’t bet against him.

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          2. PF4L July 12, 2021

            Well…ok
            I thought the goal was to plan for the future.
            I guess different teams have different goals.

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          3. Tom M July 14, 2021

            The really good GM’s do both. Plan for the future, Jordan Love, and use FA to win now by signing Clark, Bakhtiari, Jones, King. I know you think this roster is nothing but scabs and Aaron Rodgers but your dead wrong. This is a SB caliber team. This is Aaron last best shot at a SB. Your boss doesn’t care if you like him or not. Just show up to work and do your job. And your sweetheart is gonna do just that.

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          4. Cheese July 15, 2021

            When your first four draft picks are destined to sit the bench for the unforeseeable future you’re not really trying to win anything now.

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          5. Tom M July 16, 2021

            Your correct about Jordan Love who was drafted for the future. AJ Dillion spent 4 weeks of the season on COVID protocol which was unforeseen. While Josiah Deguara was primed for a key roll in Matt LaFleur’s offense until an ACL ended his season in week one. Both Dillion and Deguara flashed in limited opportunities last year. Both will have significant rolls this season. Likewise Kamal Martin and Stepaniak also had knee injuries. I prefer Stepaniak over Runyan as a prospect. We’ll see how he does after recovering from his ACL.

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          6. PF4L July 16, 2021

            Wait just a damn minute…..Jordan Love was drafted for the future?….Holy shit!!
            I wish i was told this earlier…i better go alert Packer Nation!….lol.
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            Deguara flashed…during his one NFL catch.
            5 seconds of my life, not soon forgotten.
            Step aside Tonyan…there’s a new sheriff in town.
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            Can we call Deguara….FLASH?
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            Any more enlightening knowledge to disperse, Gomer?

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  3. PF4L July 9, 2021

    “Gutey was surely focused on the long-term success of the team – that strategy might well be hailed as a stroke of genius ten years down the road.”
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    That strategy also might well be hailed as his demise. Lets tell both sides.
    It won’t take anywhere near 10 years for that to be determined.
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    Gutenkunst has done some good things with the roster, but lets put it in perspective.
    If a (any) GM spent 182 on free agent contracts. One would think he’d have something to show for it.
    Hell….I would have something to show for it.
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    He drafted excellent picks in Jenkins and Alexander, also Savage if he continues on the come up. And don’t tell me about Rashan Gary, he isn’t there yet. but as the 12th pick, he should be by now.
    So… lets keep it real…who has he drafted after the 2nd round? By that i mean a solid every week established starter, i don’t see that player on the roster.
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    With that said….if anyone refuses to acknowledge Gute’s blunders since 2018, whether it be player personnel or team focus (goals)
    You might think he’s done ok.
    But i don’t wear blinders, i look at the big picture.
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    I’ll agree with Rob (if i’m reading him correctly)…
    Gute will look like a genius in time, IF…Love can do for him, what Rodgers did for Ted.

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    1. Stephen July 9, 2021

      He is paying for Rodgers, who is too expensive, and cares only about himself. The ONLY BIG PICTURE, is what we have paid to keep Rodgers Period !

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      1. PF4L July 10, 2021

        Can i send you some tissues?
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        Who gave Rodgers that money?
        Could it be….the Packers?
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        Who structured Rodgers deal and his salary cap hits?
        Could it be the Packers?
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        You’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer Steph.

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  4. Tom M July 9, 2021

    The big difference I see between Brian Gutekunst and Ted Thompson is Gutekunst’s willingness to aggressively attack Free Agency. Ted did so early on in his tenure signing Woodson and Pickett but then basically ignored it once his team got established. Gutekunst has used FA to win now and the draft with an eye towards the future. There’s no doubt there’s fine line here. Win now or get caught with your pants down latter. The New Orleans Saints kept all their eggs in the Drew Brees basket. They’re now looking at life with 32 yr old gadget player Taysom Hill at QB or Jameis Winston who’s TD/INT ratio would make even Brett Favre blush. Likewise, consider the Pittsburgh Steelers. This is it for Big Ben and all management has behind him is the uninspiring Mason Rudolph and Dewayne Haskins who’s more interested in strip clubs and titty bars than learning the playbook.

    As far as assistant coaches, Packer fans always assume that everyone wants to coach in Green Bay. That’s never been the case with northern Wisconsin the last destination when given the choice between California, Florida, Texas, NY, as well as others. We got Dom Capers because Gregg Williams and Jim Nolan turned McCarthy down for the job. Williams going to New Orleans and Nolan to Denver as DC’s at the time. Even Wisconsin DC Leonhard turned Matt LaFleur down for the job and had to settle for Barry. The up and coming coaches have options. And not surprising, coaching for the Packers isn’t on anyone’s wish list.

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  5. PF4L July 9, 2021

    I happen to like Green Bay, the NFL smallest city located in CENTRAL Wisconsin.
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    But YEA… i can see where coaches wouldn’t want to work in Green Bay……
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    No owner.
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    Barely a tinge of accountability.
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    Most storied franchise in the NFL.
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    HOF QB’s for 3 decades.
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    As long as you’re not a Jag (no offence), people there adore you.
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    That’s on nobodies wish list.
    Thanks…but no thanks, amirite?
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    “The big difference I see between Brian Gutekunst and Ted Thompson is…………….”
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    Ted Thompson built a roster strong enough to get to the SB…and win it?
    Am i close?
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    I thank God every day i have the opportunity to come in here and….learn.

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  6. Tom M July 9, 2021

    That’s great you like Green Bay but your no coach. And your certainly no talent evaluator either. Brian Gutekunst has put together a roster capable of winning a SB. But Aaron Rodgers isn’t interested and would rather be traded to a lesser team in Denver. Which tells you all you need to know about how motivated he is in winning a championship. I know, maybe you can convince your girlfriend how special Green Bay is by dazzling him with some stats! Thereby mesmerizing him into staying! You’d be the hero of Wisconsin!

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    1. PF4L July 9, 2021

      “Brian Gutekunst has put together a roster capable of winning a SB” – Willow
      Capable? You’re certainly no talent evaluator….are you?
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      Now….here’s the tricky part…to say a team has a roster capable of winning a Super Bowl….is the easy part.
      Anyone can say that. Proving it becomes more of a challenge
      First and foremost, to win a Super Bowl, you have to earn the right to actually make it to a Super Bowl.
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      As it stands….we don’t have a roster capable of winning a NFCCG.
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      If i bought a Power Ball ticket…i could SAY…i have the numbers capable of winning the jackpot…correct?
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      You get what i’m throwin down yet?
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      You don’t have shit….until you’ve won something.
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      Saying a team is capable of winning a NFCCG, or a SB, means absolutely nothing.
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      You can talk about what you think a team is capable of 24/7. It doesn’t make it so.
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      What’s next?….are the Packers capable of winning the next 3 SB’s?
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      Is Love capable of being just as good as Rodgers?
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      Be more realistic….say something like, the Packers are capable of winning the NFC North Banner, because they’ve proven they could do it..
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      Now…you’ll have to excuse me, because i do have the lottery ticket that is capable of winning the jackpot. Now i have to sit down for hours and figure out a budget and how i plan to spend my newfound money because the drawing is tomorrow and i want to be prepared to be rich..
      Because my ticket is CLEARLY capable of being the winner.
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      Thank you for trying to understand.
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      You’re welcome.
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      1. PF4L July 9, 2021

        Willow…if you said something like…The Tampa Bay Bucs have retained all their starters and are clearly capable of winning the 2021 Super Bowl.
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        You would shock a lot of people, because that sounds intelligent.
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        Again…you’re welcome.

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        1. PF4L July 12, 2021

          Lottery ticket update….
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          I only got one number right…i don’t know what happened.
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          My lottery ticket was fully capable of winning, i don’t understand this, i had half the money spent.

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          1. PF4L July 12, 2021

            Tommy responded to these post in a personal e-mail to me.
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            It went something like this…
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            Ummm…duh…gee…ummm..what?…your right….i’m a dork…ummm…sometimes i just talk stupid, but i keep trying.
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            Of course, i’m paraphrasing.
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            I wrote back that he shouldn’t get so down on himself.
            That we’re here to help him.
            That’s just the humanitarian in me i guess.
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            You’re welcome Tommy.

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          2. Tom M July 12, 2021

            You love your stats. Here’s one for you. Aaron Rodgers is 1-4 in NFCC games with 9 TD’s and 8 INTS. His one win was 11years ago against Jay Cutler and Caleb Hanie. Those don’t sound like GOAT numbers to me. I’m afraid you can’t spin that one ladies. We’ll be just fine without Aaron Rodgers. I promise…..

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          3. PF4L July 12, 2021

            Someone get me some Alocane…cuz i just got burnt!!
            Lol
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            I see your point Princess, if a team loses a NFCCG it must be the fault of the QB, all the time, every time.
            Again…you make complex issues seem, so simple, yet so logical.
            You sir…are my hero.
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            So happy you are here to teach me, time for a treat…
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqL7jyrXhLs
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            Princess…When you type in here…does your Cerebrum ever just scream out…STOP!!?

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          4. Tom M July 12, 2021

            Here’s the problem I have with your argument and the rest of you ladies. It’s always Aaron Rodgers and only Aaron Rodgers on why we had back to back 13-3 seasons. Aaron Jones scores 19 TD’s. Aaron Rodgers gets credit for that. He set up the run. Gutekunst drafts and signs Alexander, Gary, Savage, the Smith boys, and Amos. Virtually fixing the defense. Rodgers gets credit for that cuz he doesn’t like his GM. Gutekunst won’t draft him toys he’s too focused on defense. Rodgers gets credit for everything! Except when things don’t go his way as they invariably do in big games. Then we hear all the horse shit. Rodgers can’t do it alone. He needs the whole team. His GM doesn’t do enough. Gutekunst cut two catch Jake Kumerow. He let Jordy walk who got cut by the Raiders. He drafted Jordan Love. Never mind he won’t call his HC’s game plan. He’s too smart to be told what to do. His feelings are hurt, his vagina bruised.

            I’ve told you this before. Both Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers are great QB’s. They both have flaws in their games which prevented true greatness. Brady greatness. With Favre it was his interceptions and Rodgers he wilts in big games, and doesn’t take to coaching because he’s always smarter than everyone else. And their respective egos prevented them both from overcoming those weaknesses. I’ve also said it’s no shame to lose to the Bucs. But this team is ready to strike back. This team is stacked. Rodgers has everyone back in his receiver group that caught 48 TD’s last year. Plus he’ll have Delvin Funchess, Amari Rodgers, and a healthy Josiah Deguara. Gutekunst resigned Aaron Jones and AJ Dillion is a huge upgrade over Jamaal Williams. If Eric Stokes is the upgrade at corner he was drafted to be. With an aggressive, hungry new DC coordinator. This could be a top 5 defense. Rather than get on board pussy boy Aaron Rodgers gets into a dick swinging contest with Mark Murphy over something he can’t win. He can’t get his way this time. He’s under contract! All this fucking drama is a total waste of time! He’ll end up reporting to camp with his tail between his legs after he told FA not to sign with the Packers. This is why I’m harsh on your girlfriend. Aaron Rodgers could take this team to the SB and win. Not only that, winning back to back like Elway did in Denver isn’t out of the question. But Rodgers would rather play these fucking games. And I have no tolerance for it.

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  7. Tom M July 9, 2021

    All the more reason then to move off Aaron Rodgers now. If all we can expect is lover boy to lay another egg in the 4th quarter of the NFCC game. Gutekunst can’t suit up and play for him. The only constant remaining in the last 10 years is Aaron Rodgers and he hasn’t gotten it done. I say trade him to Denver. If he can’t get the Packers to a SB, he sure as shit isn’t getting the Broncos to one. Don’t know if Jordan Love can get us to a SB. But I already know your girlfriend can’t. He hasn’t even reported to camp yet and the excuses have already started. “It’s not my girlfriend’s fault, Gutekunst hasn’t made this team perfect for him.” He needs to get it the hell done and stop with the excuses.

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    1. larry July 11, 2021

      Yeah let’s go back to Scott Hunter and Whitehurst and Campbell and all those bums we were forced to watch. Yeah Rogers is an ass clown but the man can ball. You are good for a laugh as stupidity can be funny. Thanks for the laugh

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      1. Tom M July 11, 2021

        And that’s why you draft Jordan Love in the first round Larry. Hopefully to avoid a Scott Hunter, a David Whitehurst, or a Rich Campbell. For all we know, Aaron Rodgers has played his last game for the Packers. We could’ve been looking at the very limited Tim Boyle. At best a David Whitehurst and at worst a Rich Campbell. Look, there’s no question Rodgers can play. If you love drama and no championships, he’s your guy. But I want more from my QB.

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        1. PF4L July 12, 2021

          “If you love drama and no championships, he’s your guy. But I want more from my QB.” – Willow
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          Larry, what the Princess is trying to hint at, is Love will provide no drama, just Championships.
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          All the signs are there…1st round pick. Exhaustive research on Love completed. He took the leap from 3rd string QB to 2nd string in only his 2nd season.
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          Next step….Complete 1st padded practice.
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          Next…Complete first NFL pass.
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          High ceiling with this kid people!!
          Could turn out better than Rodgers or Farve.
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          1. Tom M July 12, 2021

            What I’ve consistently said regarding Jordan Love is this: Jordan Love has a 1st round skill set and is as talented as Trey Lance or Justin Fields. Which of course is no guarantee for success. I’ve also said I can’t tell you he’ll be an NFL QB anymore you can tell me he is not. We simply don’t know yet. And that his ceiling is higher than that of Tim Boyle, last years backup QB.

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  8. Tom M July 9, 2021

    Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes takes this Brian Gutekunst Packer team to the SB. You can bet your unemployment check of that. There’s talent and pro bowl players all over this roster. While Aaron Rodgers on a less talented Denver team doesn’t even win the division in the AFC west. And he certainly doesn’t beat Mahomes, Josh Allen, or Lamar Jackson in the playoffs if he can even get the Broncos that far. Sure, he’ll have some pretty stats. But no one trades for Rodgers for the stats. And the fans in Denver will have no tolerance for excuses. Something you girls get very creative with. Aaron Rodgers last best chance at a SB will always be right where he’s at. If he cared, which he doesn’t. He’s far more concerned about his bruised vagina. Gutekunst will never trade him to a team that has a snow balls chance of even remotely getting to a SB.

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    1. PF4L July 9, 2021

      Why did Patrick Mahomes have such a bad Super Bowl game?
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      Is he a fraud?
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      Is he not good enough?
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      Was his previous SB win a fluke?
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      Does he just suck?
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      Did he have a bruised vagina?
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      Or….does it take more than Patrick Mahomes to (gulp)…win a SB?
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      “And he certainly doesn’t beat Mahomes, Josh Allen, or Lamar Jackson in the playoffs” – Willow
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      What does that statement mean?
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      Do you mean…perform better?
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      Head to head?
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      Team vs team?
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      WTF is wrong with you boy?
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      Didn’t Rodgers perform better than Tom Brady in the NFCCG?
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      Does that mean Rodgers beat Brady?
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      Or did one team beat the other team?
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      Tommy….you sir, are a proven fucking moron, and i’m tiring of your own statements proving just how clueless you are.

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      1. Tom M July 10, 2021

        Patrick Mahomes isn’t crying like a little bitch. Holding out, demanding to be traded. Telling the world no one appreciates me. FU Aaron Rodgers! I said there’s no shame in losing to the Bucs. They got hot at the right time and ran the table. Not unlike what we did in 2010. Patrick Mahomes didn’t call a press conference after the SB and say I don’t know where I’ll be next year, I don’t know where I’ll play. I want to play for a west coast team so I can be close to my Malibu mansion. And Mahomes sure as shit didn’t cause any draft day drama.

        Brett Favre got traded to the New York Jets where he promptly went 8-8, missed the playoffs, and couldn’t beat a young Tom Brady. What makes you think Aaron Rodgers takes a 5-11 Broncos team and magically beats a young Patrick Mahomes who went 14-2 with the Chiefs? It’s not happening! Not in your wildest Aaron Rodgers wet dream! So trade the whiny little bitch to Denver where he’ll be fresh out of excuses. Give me Jordan Love. At least he wants to be my QB.

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        1. PF4L July 10, 2021

          Why did Patrick Mahomes have such a bad Super Bowl game?
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          Is he a fraud?
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          Is he not good enough?
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          Was his previous SB win a fluke?
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          Does he just suck?
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          Did he have a bruised vagina?
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          Or….does it take more than Patrick Mahomes to (gulp)…win a SB?
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          “And he certainly doesn’t beat Mahomes, Josh Allen, or Lamar Jackson in the playoffs” – Willow
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          What does that statement mean?
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          Do you mean…perform better?
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          Head to head?
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          Team vs team?
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          WTF is wrong with you boy?
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          Didn’t Rodgers perform better than Tom Brady in the NFCCG?
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          Does that mean Rodgers beat Brady?
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          Or did one team beat the other team?
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          Tommy….you sir, are a proven fucking moron, and i’m tiring of your own statements proving just how clueless you are.

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          1. Tom M July 10, 2021

            When you can’t defend yourself you always do this. You either repeat your stupid post, quote some meaningless stats, or link a website I never go to. Just say I’m a pussy and I can’t defend myself and I’ll leave you alone. You need to start your own website. Call it “Total Rodgers” where you, Cheese, MMSUCKS, and the rest of you ladies can talk about your feelings, fashion, home decor, sewing, Oprah, the latest movie on the Hallmark channel, and all manner of girly things. Let the real men talk football and sports.

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          2. PF4L July 10, 2021

            How come you can’t answer questions, but you cry like a little bitch if someone doesn’t answer yours?
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            Ok fine, have it your way……you’re a pussy, and you can’t defend yourself, now leave me alone.

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          3. Cheese July 11, 2021

            I hope one day that I can be a real man like you, Tom. Your masculinity truly inspires me. Maybe you can show me how to talk sports with big boys named Frank, Cecil, and Bluto. We can all bicker over what automobile we think is better, Ford or Chevrolet, while chewing some Skoal and scratching our man parts. Then, I can ignore all of their arguments and throw around a bunch of ad hominem fallacies to prove my point, just like a real man. Or wait, do you like Copenhagen better? Ah it doesn’t matter. All I know is that I’d jump at the opportunity to share some dip and talk real sports with a true macho man like yourself.

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          4. PF4L July 12, 2021

            All valid points Cheese.
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            I like Tommy also.
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            But one thing puzzles me.
            When he is busy chatting it up on here with us….
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            Who is upstairs disappointing his parents?

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          5. Tom M July 12, 2021

            Actually Cheese, you just did “ throw around a bunch of ad hominem fallacies to prove your point.” To your point. I prefer Chevy to Ford. I don’t smoke or drink and I certainly don’t chew. And the only time I scratch myself is when I itch and never in public.

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          6. PF4L July 12, 2021

            getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c4afd8d0-86ee-4521-b743-c9785ad595c5

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          7. Cheese July 12, 2021

            Yeah, I know. That was on purpose. I aspire to be a real man like yourself someday. I feel like I’m making great strides in a short amount of time. There’s still some work to be done though. Giving up craft shows is gonna be difficult but maybe I can replace it with hunting time with Brett Hundley and Jeff Janis. Just imagine what these two superstars could have done in Green Bay if diva boy wasn’t around to screw everything up. Talk about the dynasty that could have been!

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          8. Tom M July 12, 2021

            I see, missing on 7th round draft pick Jeff Janis prevented a dynasty. Sure it did. Don’t take it so literally. We’re just busting each other’s chops. If it’s any consolation, your not nearly as obnoxious as PF4L.

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          9. Cheese July 13, 2021

            I sense you’re missing my sarcasm because I’m taking none of this literally. Jeff Janis was destined to be the next Julio Jones, their initials even match, but he never got that opportunity because Rodgers held a grudge against him and ruined his career. If Rodgers wasn’t around, Brett Hundley could have lifted Janis to new heights and they would’ve set the NFL on fire. Statistical juggernauts I tell you! They would’ve had stats coming out of their ears! Too bad greedy Aaron wanted all the stats for himself and never let that happen.
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            See, sarcasm ;)

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          10. PF4L July 13, 2021

            Cheese….i don’t know how you do it….lol
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            For me….Trying to constantly explain every little thing to Tommy so he understands it, is just exhausting

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          11. Tom M July 14, 2021

            I do recall Jeff Janis saying something like that after he was cut. If it’s any consolation Jeff, Aaron Rodgers loved Jake Kumerow but didn’t throw him the ball either. Which is why you both got cut.

            As far as Brett Hundley, I live in California and watched a few of his games as a UCLA Bruin. I didn’t see anything that led me to think he was an NFL caliber QB. Thus I never understood the fascination. Careful Cheese, your sarcasm could be misconstrued into advocating for a competent QB behind Aaron Rodgers. Something we haven’t had since Matt Flynn. Say what you like about Jordan Love but he’s the most talented QB we’ve had since Aaron Rodgers was a rookie in 2005.

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          12. Cheese July 15, 2021

            California… Is this Mordecai? Or Mr.Bonham? Errr… I mean, Monty?
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            “Say what you like about Jordan Love but he’s the most talented QB we’ve had since Aaron Rodgers was a rookie in 2005.”
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            That is saying a lot because the bar has been set pretty high.

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          13. PF4L July 15, 2021

            How about we see Love in a padded practice, maybe a pre-season game against bench players, or, how about let him complete his 1st NFL pass…..
            Before we crown him the best QB behind Rodgers since 2005.
            .
            Brett Hundley was a pre-season darling of the Packers.
            Achieving an incredible 129 passer rating in 2015.
            He was our next franchise QB according…..to some.
            Now…he’s trying to get a job as a oil change technician trainee at Janis Tire and Auto.
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            Just when you think the comments couldn’t get any dumber, some Princess walks in the room and opens her sausage gullet

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          14. Tom M July 15, 2021

            I said Jordan Love is the most talented QB we’ve had since Aaron Rodgers. Which he is. I’ve also said that’s no guarantee for success. Try and read and learn. I also said I was never impressed with Brett Hundley even after his one and only good preseason. Based on watching him play at UCLA. It’s also why he went late in the 5th round. And I wouldn’t make fun of Jeff Janis family business. Something tells you do menial manual labor yourself. If you work at all

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          15. PF4L July 16, 2021

            Just when you think the comments couldn’t get any dumber, some Princess walks in the room and opens her sausage gullet

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          16. PF4L July 13, 2021

            That’s just hurtful!!

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          17. PF4L July 13, 2021

            MVS has the same problem Janis had…..
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            Rodgers and LaFleur hate him and are trying to ruin his career.
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            Rob knows what i’m talking about.

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          18. Cheese July 13, 2021

            PF4L, I don’t need to explain anymore. Tom is starting to convert me to a real man, maybe even macho someday, and after being blinded by my estrogen for so long I am finally starting to see the light. This team is better off without coach killer Aaron Rodgers, his arrogant attitude, and his crippling contract. This offense is built to make lesser quarterbacks into millionaires without improving their stats. That means Jordan Love is about to get paid, but not too much to where Russ Ball can’t sign middle of the road free agents to overblown contracts. The inflow of talent is going to be crazy once diva boy and his contract are gone, easily putting this team over the top to win several Lombardi trophies in the near future.
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            The Love train has left the station, and if you’re not on it you’re gonna get rammed in the caboose.

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          19. Cheese July 13, 2021

            For real though, explaining became too much. There were a few diatribes I started to respond to but part way through I just said screw it. Exhausting is a good word. Time consuming as well. There were so many angles being thrown into the mix that I started to forget what the original argument was. If I can respond quickly, fine. But I’m not gonna spend my entire day crafting diatribes of my own in an attempt to one up some stranger on the internet. Maybe once in a while, but not everyday, day after day. Now I just mess around and make sarcastic stories because it’s less stressful and more entertaining.
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            I commend you on your efforts PF4L. You are far more persistent than me.

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          20. PF4L July 13, 2021

            Yea….truth be told, it has cost me a few brain cells…lol
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            I’m more interested in knowing who he is (original username).
            But cowards never tell and JP won’t help out.
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            I ran into a post from a staffer on this site concerning his Rodgers hate, so i suppose it’s possible it’s someone from staff here.
            I’m not saying it is, it could be from someone down the hall, or from chili town.
            But one thing is for sure, he’s in here trolling.
            I just don’t like willows who post under a different name…it’s fucking weak.
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            I don’t mind some trolling, or some verbal warfare, but fuck… he acts like such a kitty.
            MMSUCKS knows exactly what i’m talkin about.

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          21. Cheese July 14, 2021

            I don’t know, nor do I care, if it is someone using multiple usernames or if it’s a staffer. That never really crossed my mind. If it is, that would be lame. They have been consistent with using the same name recently so maybe it’s a newbie.
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            Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I’m not obligated to respond to anybody. Who’s to say I wouldn’t have the same view point as Tom, or anyone else, if I were in their shoes with whatever knowledge, or lack thereof, they have gathered up until this point in time.
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            #GoPackGo

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          22. Tom M July 14, 2021

            Careful PF4L, you don’t have the brain cells to lose. I’ve told you my name is Tom. Got no reason to lie about that. I’m not from the staff nor do I know anyone from the staff. Many years ago I used to frequent this site. It was an irreverent, comical, edgy look at the Packers. Sadly, that’s long gone. What we’re left with is guys like you who don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground yet somehow think they’ve got it all figured out. It’s safe to say you don’t. I’m just a Packer fan like you expressing my take on my team. We obviously disagree and In American you can still do that. Have differing opinions.

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          23. MMSUCKS July 24, 2021

            Absolutely PF4L. This guy is a tool for sure . . .

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          24. Tom M July 14, 2021

            I’m sensing love blooming between Cheese and PF4L as they match wits with the evil Tom M! Yes his real name! I can’t wait for the Hallmark made for TV movie. I’ve already got it cast. For Cheese and PF4L we’ll get Jim Carey and Jeff Daniels (dumb and dumber). And for me, I’m thinking Brad Pitt. Old Brad is a poon hound, my kind of guy….

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  9. Stephen July 9, 2021

    It’s high time that our GM take charge of The Green Bay Packers. As great as it may be, to see Aaron Rodgers almost get the job done each year, it’s getting old paying him his huge salary, and watching the team lose valuable talent each season in free agency, because we can not afford to keep our own, (home grown) talent. Remind one another that because we pay exorbitant wages for Rodgers, that costs us strength in other areas of need on the football field.
    As a lifelong Packer Fan, I don’t care for Aaron Rodgers having a strangle hold on our team, and our management. If we have to move on from Rodgers, because of his selfish ways, so be it. Far lesser QB’s have won Superbowls, and Green Bay has given the best of everything to Aaron Rodgers. His own high salary, is the only thing that has prevented us from getting all of the talent we needed to win. I don’t see Aaron Rodgers trying to give something back to us, but rather lining his pockets with all of the money he can get. If Rodgers has been short of players that he feels we should have drafted to satisfy his wims, he had only himself to blame. What Rodgers is doing to The Packers right now, is really downright shameful. Our team has to live on after Rodgers, and he doesn’t seem to be concerned with that at all ?

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    1. PF4L July 9, 2021

      “His own high salary, is the only thing that has prevented us from getting all of the talent we needed to win.” – Stephen
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      That’s the ONLY thing….lol
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      Not years of bad drafting.
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      Not years of stale play calling.
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      Not years of bad contracts.
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      “I don’t see Aaron Rodgers trying to give something back to us, but rather lining his pockets” – Stephen
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      Give back?
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      Oohh…taking a pay cut, i get it!!
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      Rodgers should have taken pay cuts over the years…
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      That way he could pay for Jimmy Grahams contract, not the team.
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      That way he could have paid for Nick Perry’s contract, not the team.
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      That way he could have paid for Martellus Bennett’s contract, not the team.
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      That way he could have paid for Preston Smith’s contract, not the team.
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      Conclusion….Not only should Rodgers play at a high level to overcome the mistakes of this team the last decade, he should also pay their salaries as well.
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      Some of you are…….AMAZING (smh)

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      1. PF4L July 9, 2021

        If Rodgers had paid those players salaries of managements mistakes, should he then have input…or still, no?

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      2. Mitch Anthony July 10, 2021

        Marty Bennett. You had to remind me. I had almost been able to put that dude out of my mind and now he is there again.

        Damn shame that POS ever suited up as a Packer.

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        1. PF4L July 10, 2021

          Sorry :)
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          Yea…obviously his GAF ended when he left the Patriots.
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          He had far more interest in interjecting his SJ issues into the locker room, than playing football on the field.

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  10. Mick July 10, 2021

    Other sports news! According to PFT, Falcons DE Barkevious Mingo has posted bond of $25,000 in a child sex offense case. Records in Tarrant Co. Texas shows that Mingo from West Monroe Louisiana, posted the bond. The Falcons are looking into the allegations, and no further info is available at this time. Well, if true, or not, the Falcons wouldn’t want this hanging over their heads. When I hear shit like these types of crimes, it makes my skin crawl. If it’s true and he is convicted, he best not let his fellow inmates know what he is doing time for!

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  11. PF4L July 11, 2021

    Remember back when….the ESPY’s was entertaining?
    I’m watching it on DVR and i’m 100 minutes into it.
    Thank God for DVR Fast Forward.
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    The host is a comedian (or somebody) named Anthony…something.
    100 minutes in..he has a piece called “Advise from Anthony”
    It goes like this……
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    ” “A” KD?..it’s a brush bruh…it cost 2 dollars..C’MON MAN!….i know you got the money…DAMN!!”
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    Thank God i DVR’d this show, or i would have missed this comedic genius.
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    I’m trying to decide what’s more pathetic on my part….Watching the ESPY’s, or reading a post from Tommy.

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    1. PF4L July 11, 2021

      Follow up….
      As i kept watching…
      The next award is for (get this)….Best WWE moment…really?..seriously?…..wtf?…lol.
      Oh…i get it now, they are celebrating the first black women to battle at Wrestlemania.
      Sounds legit.
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      Well thank God….we wouldn’t want to exclude that sports history moment amirite?
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      I’ll keep watching….maybe Jussie Smollett will be winning an ESPY for best actor who eluded conviction after clearly breaking the law.
      I’m on the edge of my seat with anticipation.
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  12. PF4L July 11, 2021

    Conor McGregor: Dustin will leave the ring on a stretcher mate, fook that guy.
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    Fast forward 24 hours later……
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlugeS6ialU
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    Karma can be mofo.

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  13. PF4L July 12, 2021

    Tom M July 10, 2021
    Just say I’m a pussy and I can’t defend myself and I’ll leave you alone.
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    PF4L July 10, 2021
    Ok fine, have it your way……you’re a pussy, and you can’t defend yourself, now leave me alone.

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    1. Tom M July 12, 2021

      How old are you PF4L? You sound like your 12. Shouldn’t you be in school? I have to work my friend. There isn’t enough time in the day to respond to all your nonsense. Take your stats and your Aaron Rodgers photo album and go over to the corner and have a good time. We’ll talk again soon……

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      1. PF4L July 13, 2021

        You said you’d leave me alone.
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        What’s with the obsession?
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        I thought we had a deal.

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  14. PF4L July 13, 2021

    “Even if Valdes-Scantling has a career catch percentage of 60 coupled with eight touchdowns this year, I highly doubt the Packers bring him back.” – Anonymous
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    Once i stopped laughing, i had to re-read it to make sure i read it correctly. Mostly pertaining to the “possibility” of MVS raising his career catch % to 60%.
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    For MVS to have a career catch% of 60% after this season, he would need a catch percentage this year of right about 90%…lol
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    What could go wrong? Trust me, if MVS had a catch percentage of 90….he’s not going anywhere.
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    But what’s more likely…MVS catching 90% or Tommy’s parents being proud of him?
    Yea….too close to call.

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  15. PF4L July 13, 2021

    Tom M July 10, 2021
    I said there’s no shame in losing to the Bucs. They got hot at the right time and ran the table.
    **************
    Interesting Princess, then why this?
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    Tom M July 1, 2021
    When tinker bell goes 4/11/54 in the 4th quarter of the NFCC game. That’s on the self proclaimed GOAT. Gutekunst and Murphy can’t suit up and play for him. He either gets it done or he doesn’t. He didn’t.
    *************
    But…Tommy says there is no shame in losing to the Bucs.
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    Tom M July 12, 2021
    If your going to make your point using stats then you damn well better quote Aaron Rodgers 4th quarter stats. 4/11/54 and no TD’s. That doesn’t cut it.
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    But…Tommy says there is no shame in losing to the Bucs.
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    Hmmm…seems to me he’s shaming Rodgers.
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    Well….which is it Princess?.

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    1. Tom M July 14, 2021

      According to you, and all your lady friends, Aaron Rodgers is the QB messiah. Except of course when it comes playoff time and then he’s an inception machine!

      From time to time, life has a way of knocking us all on our asses. The question then becomes, what do you do about it? Do you get up off your ass and keep fighting? Keep swinging? Or do you just lay there curled up in the fetal position and point the finger at others? The Bucs knocked us on our ass. That’s life, it happens. Now, what do we do about it? If your Brian Gutekunst, you tip your hat to the Bucs and say I’m getting the band back together. I’ll have my LT back, I’ve upgraded at corner, and I’ve drafted a slot receiver. Better bring your A game old man Brady, we’re coming for you. That’s the definition of a fighter. Aaron Rodgers on the other hand got his feelings hurt, doesn’t like his boss because he doesn’t approve everything with him first. And just in general wants to be a dick and blame others. He’d rather be traded to a lesser team so he doesn’t have to face Brady again. It’s as if he’s afraid to lose. And maybe he is. The path to the SB is right in front of Rodgers. All he has to do is get up off his ass and fight for it. And he’d rather point fingers out of fear of pulling another 4/11/54 in the 4th quarter of yet another NFCC. This is why, in my opinion, we’ve gone as far as we’ll ever go with this diva. And he’ll be the same regardless of where he’s traded.

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  16. PF4L July 14, 2021

    In the near future, when Rodgers will be back with the team, i have no doubt.
    Adams signing a new deal will be a topic piece.
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    Will he sign a team friendly deal?
    Maybe take a paycut to help sign other players.
    Look to be the highest paid receiver?
    Request a trade?
    Do what’s in the best interest of Davante Adams ,<—— winner
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    This will be the new drama piece, and the Packers front office will have options.
    Just not many good ones.

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    1. Cheese July 14, 2021

      People gripe about Rodgers’ contract being too big. Now there are talks about about making Adams the highest paid WR? Deandre Hopkins gets $27 million a year. That’s insane for someone who doesn’t touch the ball for every snap. Something has to give. Paying Adams close to $30mil a season doesn’t make a lot of sense if you have an unproven QB.

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      1. Tom M July 14, 2021

        We actually agree here Cheese. Davante Adams will be 29 when he becomes a FA. WR’s usually begin their decline in their early 30’s. It won’t make financial sense to commit long term and I don’t see the Packers doing it. The drama won’t come from Adams he’s got too much class for that. It’s Rodgers who’s gonna lose his shit. Especially after the bullshit he pulled over Jake Kumerow.

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        1. Cheese July 15, 2021

          Right, because everything comes back to Rodgers being a diva. I’m sure Tom Brady would be pumped that his top WR was let go and the next two guys in line have a 50% catch rate

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          1. PF4L July 15, 2021

            Hell…that’s part of why he left the Patriots.
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            I’m getting sick and fucking tired of these Diva QB’s who think they know what they need on the field to win football games.
            That’s the decision of the GM.
            If….the President of the team is ok with it i mean.
            Managers manage….players….shut yer mouth!
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            Brady….”i want Gronk and Brown”…waa waaa
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            I mean…wtf does Brady or Rodgers know anyway?

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          2. Tom M July 15, 2021

            You can find good WR’s in every draft and not just in the first round. Every year in FA too.That’s never been the case with QB’s. You’ve only got about 10 or 12 that can get you to the playoffs. That’s why you have to draft them when you get the chance. In my opinion, 29 yr old Davante Adams won’t be worth 20 plus million per season when he becomes a FA next year. And I like Davante Adams. He may not even be the best WR in the NFC north this year. There’s a good chance Justin Jefferson out plays him. If he stays healthy he’s gonna be a star.

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          3. Cheese July 16, 2021

            You can find good WR’s in every draft outside of the first round, but when is that last time the Packers made a decent effort at doing that? Picking three late round projects in a single draft and then calling it quits for years doesn’t count. The occasional 7th rounder or UDFA here and there don’t count either. Take away Montgomery, drafted 2015, who GB turned into a RB and the last noteworthy shot at picking up a WR is Davante in 2014. Seven years before they try to restock a position with quality talent even while they let several of their veteran players walk?
            Come on, man…

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          4. Tom M July 16, 2021

            Ok Cheese, your GM of the Green Bay Packers. You’ve got Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, and David Bakhtiari on offense. And you’ve got Nick Perry and Clay Mattews literally on their last leg on defense with a secondary that can’t cover within 5 yards of any given receiver. With a limited amount of draft capital and cap space. What do you fix first? What’s your priority? It sure as shit isn’t a second WR. Look no further than the Atlanta Falcons. They had Julio Jones and then spent a first round pick Calvin Ridley. How’d that work out for them? With a defense that can’t stop shit they were 4-12 last year. Want another example? The Dallas Cowboys have Amari Cooper, a legitimate number one WR. And who did Jerry Jones draft with the 18th pick? Cee Dee Lamb! The Cowboys defense may actually be the worst in the NFL. But hey, they can now lose shoot outs 42-41.

            Brian Gutekunst tried to sign Sammy Watkins as a FA. He said no. He tried to trade up for Justin Jefferson, the Vikings said no. Brandon Aiyuk was also targeted by Gutekunst and the 49ers jumped in front of him. And he tried to trade up in the second round for a WR before he drafted Dillion, that didn’t work out either. Aaron Rodgers threw 48 TD’s last year. And everyone is back plus Delvin Funchess, Amari Rodgers and Josiah Deguara. I don’t know how much more “stacked” you need it to be.

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          5. PF4L July 16, 2021

            “Brian Gutekunst tried to sign Sammy Watkins as a FA. He said no. He tried to trade up for Justin Jefferson, the Vikings said no. Brandon Aiyuk was also targeted by Gutekunst and the 49ers jumped in front of him. And he tried to trade up in the second round for a WR before he drafted Dillion, that didn’t work out either.” – Tommy
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            Tommy knows all that for fact…because he was there.
            He wouldn’t just believe some writer or agent’s spin on it and believe it as fact.
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            GEE…..Why did Gute try so hard to acquire an expensive free agent.
            Then wanted receivers in the draft…and ALL of them were out of Gute’s reach?…interesting
            All of them…except for QB J. Love.
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            Lets ignore all the factors that point to Love being the objective in the 1st round of the draft and just say….Gute tried really hard to go after receivers and.. he had lunch with the Easter Bunny.
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            If true, this all means that Gute had a strong urge to acquire another difference making receiver.
            But all his actions….have said otherwise.
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            “And everyone is back plus Delvin Funchess, Amari Rodgers and Josiah Deguara” – The smartest man in the room.
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            That’s a relief……Delvin is it?
            Out of those 3 receivers, how many NFL passes have been caught the last 2 seasons?
            Delvins last catch was Sept 8th 2019
            Dequara has one NFL catch caught back on 9/13/2020.
            If the 12th pick (Gary) is a justified bench project.
            Is 3rd round pick (Rodger’s) expected to start right away?
            Or does it just depend….on someone’s narrative?
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            Luckily we’re all set at receivers now.
            Gute finally stepped all the way up in the 3rd round and nabbed himself a receiver.
            Even though a lot of Packer fans don’t think one was needed because of the success of the offense last season.
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            Hell…”some guy” pointed out that the Packers won every game that Adams missed.
            That would mean we don’t really even need Adams.
            We have too damn many receivers on this team! :)

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          6. PF4L July 16, 2021

            Ok Tommy….(you’re) the drive thru attendant at Mickey D’s….
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            A customer orders 2 cheeseburgers and extra ketchup
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            He drives around, pays and drives off.
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            He comes back to your window and tells you he didn’t get his extra ketchup and the cheeseburgers are cold. Do you….
            A) Tell him he didn’t order extra ketchup
            B) Apologize while you hand him ketchup packets but ignore the cold burger complaint
            C) Offer to provide two new cheeseburgers and extra ketchup if he comes in the restaurant.
            D) Tell him to put his defrost on high and to place the cheeseburgers over the defrost vents for 2 minutes.
            E) Do what you normally do

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          7. Cheese July 19, 2021

            “Ok Cheese, your GM of the Green Bay Packers.” “What’s your priority? It sure as shit isn’t a second WR.”
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            “Brian Gutekunst tried to sign Sammy Watkins as a FA. He said no. He tried to trade up for Justin Jefferson, the Vikings said no. Brandon Aiyuk was also targeted by Gutekunst and the 49ers jumped in front of him. And he tried to trade up in the second round for a WR before he drafted Dillion, that didn’t work out either.”
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            So WR sure as shit wasn’t a priority, until it apparently was, but then it wasn’t again after they didn’t find anyone. Gotcha’. I’ll just trust what you say. My time is important. I have to get back to studying my book “How to be a Real Man for Dummies.”

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          8. PF4L July 16, 2021

            Tom M July 15, 2021
            You can find good WR’s in every draft and not just in the first round. Every year in FA too.
            That’s never been the case with QB’s.
            **************************
            Russell Wilson….3rd round pick
            Tom Brady…6th round pick
            Drew Bree’s…2nd round pick
            Kirk Cousins…4th round
            Bart Starr…17th round
            Brett Favre…2nd round
            Matt Hesselback…6th round
            Randall Cunningham…2nd round
            Rich Gannon…4th round
            Joe Montana…4th round
            Roger Staubach…10th round
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            NEVER?………Can you tell us more Professor Tommy?
            We’re very eager to learn from you.
            Never stop teaching!!
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            Dumb F!!

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          9. Tom M July 16, 2021

            You’ve gone back 70 yrs of NFL football and named 4 QB’s that have won multiple championships. Starr, Staubach, Montana and Brady. Montana drafted in the 3rd round not the 4th. That’s it. Three on your list never won a SB. Kirk Cousins, Randall Cunningham, and Matt Hasselbeck. The remaining 4 won one. Which is the same number as career back up Nick Foles. Also the same number as such QB juggernauts as Tent Dilfer and Joe Flacco. If your looking for a franchise QB you need to get one early in the draft and even then it’s hit or miss. They’re are always exceptions to the rule. But not many…

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          10. PF4L July 16, 2021

            SMFH…as Tommy changes the narrative……
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            Tom M July 15, 2021
            “You can find good WR’s in every draft and not just in the first round.
            That’s never been the case with QB’s.” – Tommy
            ^^ i don’t see the words SB or Franchise QB’s in there,anywhere…do you Tommy?
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            I see….so now….your definition of a “GOOD QB” is ONLY if they’ve won Championships/ Super Bowls.
            Sorry Mr. Marino…you weren’t very good. Tommy said so.
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            I guess the NEW, TOMMY definition now for a good QB is defined by whether they won a SB or not, according to Tommy’s sliding scale of defining a good player. Subject to change, depending on his narrative of course.
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            Whining Bart Starr is on the list from 70 years ago? Really?…too long ago?…ok, take him off…now what?
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            OHHH..forgive me great one!!…Montana…drafted 3rd round.
            That doesn’t negate how pathetic your statement was….but carry on if it heals you somehow.

            Rich Gannon….Tent Dilfer…the same, right Tommy?
            Tent Dilfer? It’s Trent Tommy…..T R E N T
            Is Tommy learning disabled, because this would all somehow make a lot of sense instantly.
            Now….lets compare
            Trent Dilfer = 1 Pro Bowl
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            Rich Gannon = 4X Pro Bowl, 2X First team All Pro, NFL MVP, NFL passing yards leader (2002)
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            Princess…Are those two QB’s equal with each other in accomplishments, in your mind?
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            Tommy….Can a human being, actually be any dumber than what you are displaying here?
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            Go ahead…..try to re-spin it again another way…lol
            Knock yourself out Princess.
            You’re pathetic…and i’m done dealing with an IQ of an inch below stupid.
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            Cheese…he’s all yours :)

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          11. Tom M July 16, 2021

            Look sweetheart, if we win the SB this year it’s because we play defense and run the football. A second WR doesn’t help you do either. Look at it this way. Do you really want to bet your mommy’s double wide that little Aaron can come from behind and win a playoff game? It’s well documented Rodgers doesn’t come from behind and win games. But according to you, he’s still the GOAT. Sure. He’s gonna need a running game and defense just like Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco. Marginal QB’s at best nevertheless they got their 15 minutes of fame and fell into one SB win. And why does he need another WR anyway? He threw 48 TD’s last year. I’ll answer that. He doesn’t. What he needs to do is run Matt LaFleur’s offense. Run the ball. Throw to his TE’s and Amari Rodgers. And not force the ball to Davante Adams. Will he do it? I’m not optimistic. I don’t give a rats ass about pro bowls or MVP or any other awards. It’s championships or nothing. Awards to me are a lot like you making out with your sister. Ultimately not very satisfying….

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          12. Cheese July 19, 2021

            “Cheese…he’s all yours :)”
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            I appreciate the offer PF4L, but I will politely decline. First, there are only 24 hours in a day. Second, I like my sanity.
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            ‘Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.’- Mark Twain

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  17. PF4L July 15, 2021

    Bhanpuri: Aaron Rodgers has been so good for so long that it’s hard to grasp just how much of an outlier his 2020 MVP-winning campaign was in the context of NFL history, but here’s my best shot: He became the first QB ever to account for more than 53 total touchdowns and fewer than 10 interceptions in a single season (including playoffs). In fact, only twice before had a quarterback produced even 50 total touchdowns while throwing fewer than 10 picks — Rodgers both times (53:9 in 2016; 50:7 in 2011.)
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    Appreciate what you had/have….all others, we enjoyed your time here pretending to be a Packer fan.
    Have a nice day.

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  18. Kato July 15, 2021

    So, basically what I have been learning here the last couple weeks has been Rodgers has no blame for losing the title game because it’s a team game, but yet all the wins they have piled up is because of Rodgers and not the team. I am speechless. Winning is because of Rodgers, losing is because the team wasn’t good enough. I will take horrible fan takes for $500 Alex.

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    1. PF4L July 15, 2021

      Nope…Rodgers never gets critiqued for anything.
      I’ll say it again…he should have ran it in, or tried anyway.
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      We had/have a front office who did everything right from A-Z and never should be called out. Especially by the horrible fans
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      No credit has been given to any players or coaches or GM, or draft picks EVER by the horrible Packer fans.
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      Great post Kato…never stop learning.
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      Maybe if Rodgers didn’t make so many errors in the last 5 minutes of the Seattle NFCCG, the outcome would have been different
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      Maybe if Rodgers didn’t give up 44 points and 500 yards to the Atlanta offense, maybe then, the outcome would have been different.
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      And i know it’s Rodgers fault for Matt Ryan having a 139 passer rating that game.
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      Fucking Diva, all this guy has done is kept us out of the Super Bowl.
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      Just retire already…we have our guy, good riddance.
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      R.I.P. Alex

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      1. Kato July 18, 2021

        My point is, QBs always take too much blame for losing and too much praise for winning. Sure, Rodgers didn’t play defense against Atlanta, but he also led the Packers offense to under 50 yards of offense and 0 first half points, let’s not pretend like the offense was doing their part. Weren’t the Falcons on that kind of a roll against the patriots in the super bowl? The falcons had an excellent offense that year, one of the better ones the NFL has seen this century. We knew going into that game the Packers were going to have to score points to have a chance. Although, for the sake of argument, I think we can certainly agree the defense was more responsible for that loss than the offense. But I can name other games where the offense flat out floundered (San Fran in the wild card round in 2013, the 2014 title game, both games in which the defense certainly played well enough to win).
        ……
        The biggest difference I see between Rodger and Brady is Rodgers just doesn’t make the plays at critical points in games when he needs to nearly as consistently as Brady. That is why Brady has all those rings. Brady played like dogshit in the game against the Packers, and Rodgers certainly outdid him statistically. This is why stats are for losers. Brady made the plays at the end of the game to make sure the Packers didn’t get the ball back. Which, in hindsight was why it wasn’t a good idea to go for the field goal. Against any other QB, sure. But it had to be known, despite the defense’s success shutting down Tampa in the second half that Brady was going to ice it. Look at the title game against the Seahawks. The Packers defense gave the offense countless opportunities to put that game out of reach, it still makes me sick thinking about it. Even after the fake field goal TD, and the furious comeback by the Seahawks, the Packers defense came up with that interception with a little over two minutes left that should have ended it. Rodgers didn’t get it done. That isn’t blaming him, but simply pointing out that he had opportunities to put that game out of reach but didn’t

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        1. PF4L July 18, 2021

          “That is why Brady has all those rings.”

          Now go back and compare defenses between the Patriots defense and the Packers defense the last decade, and tell me if you find a discrepancy.
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          Now go look at how many bonehead player acquisitions and bad contracts the Packers front office has done, and compare that to the mistakes of the Patriots front office.
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          Think that may have a little to do with all those rings?
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          Championships are won from the top down. It takes more than a QB, isn’t that right Kato and Tommy?
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          What was the difference between the Championship season of 2010, and the rest of the seasons we lost those 4 Championship games?
          A) Rodgers was a better QB in 2010
          B) The 2010 defense was top 5
          C) Like Tommy…you have no clue.
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          *** It should be noted and acknowledged, the defense played well overall in the 2014 NFCCG, but the game was lost because of bonehead player decisions, bonehead miscues, bonehead coaching (non)awareness in the last 5 minutes.
          Most importantly….that game was lost because the team was undisciplined.
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          Yes, stats are for losers….meaning those who don’t understand them.
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          If stats are for losers….how come everyone uses them.
          Even the people who claim….stats are for losers, use them…smfh
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          I guess then…we all all losers, including you.
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          Sure…people like Tommy, will tell you he doesn’t ever, ever, ever use stats.
          Right after….he used them.

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          1. PF4L July 18, 2021

            “Rodgers didn’t play defense against Atlanta, but he also led the Packers offense to under 50 yards of offense and 0 first half points” – Kato
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            “Stats are for losers” – Kato
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            So….stats are for losers, unless you use them?
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            You couldn’t be related to Tommy, could you?

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  19. Tom M July 17, 2021

    To your point about QB’s vs WR’s PF4L. In the last 20 years here’s a list of QB’s drafted between 20-32. The back third of the first round same as Jordan Love. They are Lamar Jackson, Teddy Bridgewater, Tim Tebow, Johnny Manzel, Brandon Weeden, Brady Quinn. All busts with the exception of Jackson who won the MVP. Bridgewater did go to a pro bowl but is a career backup. Now I’m not going thru 20 years of WR’s. I’ll let you do that. Other than to say the Packers have had three pro bowl WR in the last 20 yrs all drafted in the second round. Jennings, Jordy, and Adams. I’ll say it again, you can find WR’s in any draft. Franchise QB not so much. Some drafts just one or two others not at all. My definition of a franchise QB is one that can win you a championship. You went back 70 yrs, the modern age of NFL football, and named just 8 QB’s not drafted in the first round who won championships. And only 4 that won multiple championships. Yet how many great WR’s have we had not drafted in the first round in the last 70 yrs? A shit load….

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    1. PF4L July 17, 2021

      Tom M July 15, 2021
      “You can find good WR’s in every draft and not just in the first round.
      That’s never been the case with QB’s.” – Tommy
      ^^ i don’t see the words SB or Franchise QB’s in there, anywhere…do you Tommy?

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      1. PF4L July 17, 2021

        Here’s my last lesson for you shortbus….
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        A Franchise QB can’t win you a Championship/SuperBowl. Your definition is dead wrong.
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        A TEAM with/without a franchise QB can win a Championship/SuperBowl.
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        Even Michael Jordan….couldn’t win a Championship, without getting a more talented team.
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        Tom Brady didn’t come back and beat the Falcons after being down 28-3. He and his team did.
        With an assist from the Falcons.
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        I didn’t go back 70 years and research all QB’s that won Championships shortbus
        I spent about 8 or 9 minutes finding those names.
        I’m a Packer fan, i know of Bart Starr and when he was drafted, and didn’t have to….go look.
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        I didn’t look up every QB who won a Championship, hence why not all that i listed won a Championship.
        I’m sure there is more that i listed, but i made my point and did it in under 10 minutes.
        *****
        For the 4th time…You didn’t say one word in your original comment about QB’s who won a Championship, or a SB, or who you consider a franchise QB.
        But since i posted a list of good QB’s drafted after the 1st round…..you act is if SB’s and Championships was your baseline.
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        You Tommy….are seriously demented with an obvious delusion of reality.
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        Get some help.
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  20. Tom M July 17, 2021

    Winning championships is my baseline. I don’t give a rats ass about stats. You should have been able to figure that one out by now Einstein. No one out of Wisconsin remembers any of Brett Favre’s stats. They remember him for starting a lot of games in a row, throwing more INTS than anyone else, and sending dick pics to Jen Steiger. A franchise QB greatly increases your chances to win games and therefore win a SB which, if I’m not mistaken, is why you play the game. Now, there have been exceptions to that rule: Nick Foles, Trent Dilfer, and Joe Flacco to name a few. But that’s not the case if you look at multiple SB wins. Those are won by true franchise QB’s most of which are drafted in the first round. And there have been excepts to that rule as well. As you pointed out there have been only four QB’s in the last 70 yrs that have won multiple championships not drafted in the first round. Starr, Staubach, Montana, and Brady. Now you can debate if guys like Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, and Jimmy Garapolo are true franchise QB’s. Good QB’s to be sure, and not drafted in the first round. I say no because they haven’t won a SB, and more than likely never will, and have been on talented enough teams to do so in my opinion. Although I’ve always respected Matt Stafford’s game he’s never had much to work with. I think he will make the Rams the biggest challenge to the Packers getting to the SB now that he’s away from the dumpster fire that is the Detroit Lions. But he was also a first round talent. But that’s for another discussion.

    Consider the Minnesota Vikings. They traded disgruntled Stefon Diggs an excellent WR and replaced him with Justin Jefferson also an excellent WR with a bright future ahead of him and working on a rookie contract. A win for the Vikings. Now let’s consider if that had been a QB instead of a WR. What are the odds the Vikings would have found a QB of equal or greater value to that of franchise QB? There was Jordan Love available and that’s pretty much it. While after Jefferson, there still remained Tee Higgins, Chase Claypool, Denzel Mims, and DJ Hamler on the board. And that’s the way it is in every draft. You can count the number of true QB’s on one hand, most of which will bust. While it’s not unheard of to find 15 or more WR’s in any given draft. It why QB’s are always over drafted. The demand always exceeds the supply. It’s also why franchise QB’s are paid 40 million and the best WR’s barely make half that.

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    1. PF4L July 18, 2021

      Look dumbshit….this was your comment….
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      Tom M July 15, 2021
      “You can find good WR’s in every draft and not just in the first round.
      That’s never been the case with QB’s.” – Tommy
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      If you want to designate Championships as your baseline, DO IT FROM STEP ONE….
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      You can’t change the narrative because you were clearly proven wrong, then try to “pretend” you were right all along.
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      Fuck dude….are you this much of a POS in real life also?
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      When you lose a bet… do you not pay, claiming you didn’t shake on it?
      Because that sounds like a “Tommy move”

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      1. Tom M July 18, 2021

        Look sweetheart, then I’m clarifying my statement. You masterbate all over stats and I judge a QB by how many championships he wins. Are you saying then you agree with me except for the QB after the second round statement? Because that’s all you continue to bring up. So your saying you can win a SB with Jimmy Garoppolo? The 49ers don’t think so. It’s why they drafted Trey Lance. Kirk Cousins? According to the New York Giants, Minnesota was trying to put together a draft package for Justin Fields. Not a huge vote of confidence there. And Jon Gruden would dump Derek Carr in a heartbeat if he had a viable option. Garapolo and Carr both drafted in the second round. Cousins the third. Ten years after your girlfriend finally retires he’ll be remembered for 3 things just like Favre. Throwing the least amount of INTS, a high passer rating, and being a prickly little bitch. But like Favre, being a championship won’t be one of them.

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        1. PF4L July 19, 2021

          “Look sweetheart, then I’m clarifying my statement” – Princess

          Translation: He’s changing (clarifying) the narrative of his original statement, so he only looks half as stupid, that he originally looked.
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          LOL….such a gomer

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  21. PF4L July 18, 2021

    I…more than anyone appreciate the freedoms this website has provided us.
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    But at some point, logic and common sense has to come into play.
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    Read into that what you will.

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    1. Tom M July 19, 2021

      No honey, don’t kid yourself. It’s mindless stats, not common sense and logic you constantly use to try and make your feeble point. The world doesn’t need stats to know Davante Adams is a better WR than MVS. The world can see that. Your the only one that doesn’t.

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      1. PF4L July 19, 2021

        LOL..what does that have to do with what i posted.
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        Are you ok?
        Do you feel dizzy when you look up?
        Do you sometimes run into walls?
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        You’ve proven your point….YOU’VE WON!
        Everyone realizes how stupid you are, you don’t have to keep proving it.
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        They get it…..relax.

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  22. Mick July 18, 2021

    Food for thought! “When you focus on your past, that’s your ego. When you focus on your future, that’s your pride. When you focus on the present, that’s humility!” (ie; Giannis Antetokounmpo) WOW! This message should be delivered (1st class); to both the Rodgers camp, and our esteemed, (cough); leaders in the front office at 1265 Lombardi Ave. Enough is enough! It’s waaaaayyyy past time for this shit show to get resolved.

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  23. PF4L July 18, 2021

    I found an article where the author discusses how bad Rodgers was in the 4 NFCCG’s they lost, or the myth thereof.
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    Overall….he’s exceedingly kind to the defense and to certain players in the 2014 NFCCG against Seattle.
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    But nonetheless…some of you should read it, and maybe, just maybe, finally educate yourself.
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    I won’t link it…but it’s titled….
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    Aaron Rodgers Has Actually Performed Quite Well In His Championship Game Appearances
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    Can you find it on your own? Do something rare….Figure it out.

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  24. PF4L July 18, 2021

    Tommy: PF4L, You love your stats. Here’s one for you. Aaron Rodgers is 1-4 in NFCC games with 9 TD’s and 8 INTS.
    PF4L: Well, maybe i just know know what a good NFCCG winning QB looks like.
    Tommy: You can say that again.
    PF4L: Tell me Tommy, how did Russel Wilson play at home, in his NFCCG against the Packers?
    Tommy: What do you mean?
    PF4L: How did he play when they won that NFCCG game to earn a SB appearance.
    Tommy: I’m not sure i understand what you’re asking me.
    PF4L: Rodgers can’t win a NFCCG because he’s not good enough right?
    Tommy: Exactly PF4L, now you are starting to get it.
    PF4L: So i’m asking you, how good did Russell Wilson perform to win the NFCCG against us.
    Tommy: Ok, i’m still confused.
    PF4L: Well…i’m not surprised. Need some help?
    Tommy: Well, i’m smarter than most people, but sure, i’ll bite Tell me how good Russell Wilson was to beat us in the NFCCG?
    PF4L: Ok, but no crying after, ok?
    Tommy: I can’t make any promises, but ok.
    PF4L: Russell Wilson won a NFCCG (at home), this is how….
    Going 14/29 for 209 yards…1 TD, 4 interceptions, 1 fumble…44.3 passer rating.
    PF4L: Does that sound like a winning NFCCG QB?
    Tommy: Wait….i thought we were talking about Tom Brady.
    PF4L…Of course you did.
    PF4L: One more question?
    Tommy: Knock yourself out.
    PF4L: How long have you been called a douchebag?
    Tommy: As long as i can remember, mostly by my family.

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  25. Tom M July 19, 2021

    When I look at the landscape of today’s NFL here’s what I see. Patrick Mahomes, a generational talent. Who at 27 has already been to back to back SB’s. Winning one at 26. He’s on a well coached and well managed team. And for the next decade, the road to the SB in the AFC goes thru Arrowhead stadium. Injury and attrition will mean he won’t win it every year. Which means guys like Lamar Jackson in Baltimore or Josh Allen in Buffalo or possibly Baker Mayfield in Cleveland could conceivably beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. All first round QB’s just like Mahomes. In the NFC you’ve got Brady, who’s in a class by himself, and maybe Rodgers could beat Mahomes. You could make an argument for Russell Wilson but his window is closing. All things being equal guys like Garapolo, Cousins, Carr, and nearly ever other QB doesn’t stand a snowballs chance of matching what Patrick Mahomes brings to the table. These other QB’s can put up pretty numbers if your into that sort of thing. Championships not so much.

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  26. Cheese July 19, 2021

    “nearly ever other QB doesn’t stand a snowballs chance of matching what Patrick Mahomes brings to the table.”
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    Nobody has to match what Mahomes brings to the table if they have a defense like Tampa Bay did last year.
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    Mahomes loses to TB = Generational talent on a well coached and well managed team, that lost as a team.
    Rodgers loses to TB= Stat whore who ruined everything all on his own.

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    1. PF4L July 19, 2021

      I can’t decide who is more of a waste of oxygen…E. Wolf or this D-bag who likes calling other men sweetheart and honey.
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      Close call.
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      What about a petition…outlawing Rodgers from re-entering Green Bay.
      It could work!!

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    2. Tom M July 19, 2021

      If there’s going to be a QB that challenges Tom Brady as the GOAT over the next 12 years it’s going to be Patrick Mahomes. It isn’t going to be 37 yr old Aaron Rodgers. Especially if he ends up in Denver. Rodgers would be lucky to make the playoffs in Denver where he’d be one and done. I see Patrick Mahomes as the gold standard going forward. You have to have a QB that can go toe to toe with Mahomes. Trevor Lawrence could be that guy. Zach Wilson could be that guy. The problem is those organizations are so poorly run even if they do develop into NFL QB’s the odds will be stacked against them. Herbert could be another if the Chargers could put it all together. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson maybe. Those are well run organizations in Baltimore and Buffalo. Between Love, Lance, and Fields, at least one and maybe two will bust. And I don’t have a clue who it will be and neither does anyone else. I do think Love and Lance have the best chance to succeed based on the organizations they’re with. The constant theme here is big armed QB’s drafted early. Jimmy Garapolo and Kirk Cousins need not apply. Just to clarify, I’m taking championships here. I don’t give a flying fuck about stats.

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  27. PF4L July 20, 2021

    Because…Covid is real….
    Nationwide Covid is making itself known with a resurgence in cases across the Country.
    The Delta strain is making it’s mark known with a 50% rise in cases across 20 States.
    In 24 other States we see a 10%-50% rise.
    If this keeps up, more States will be joining California in reinstituting the mask mandate.
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    Almost all of these new cases involve unvaccinated individuals.
    People too cool to be vaccinated.
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    We have enjoyed not wearing mask, attending public events, attending sports venues, all because of the people who were vaccinated.
    The people who didn’t get vaccinated enjoyed those same things.
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    But here we are…..having to continue battling this thing because of people who give no fuck.
    **************************
    Because…The Bucks are someplace the Packers can’t get to….
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    The Deer District is getting ready to accommodate 60,000 plus Buck fans outside of Fiserv Forum for game 6 of the Finals with the very real chance of winning 4 in a row against the Suns to become NBA Champions.
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    To me, it’s almost surreal. A victory tonight would be epic for this State, Milwaukee, the Bucks, and all Bucks fans.
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    Can they do it? The table seems set…home game..off the wall fan energy inside Fiserv.
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    Middleton and Holiday have to show up, that’s what concerns me. Not that they aren’t capable, but they aren’t always consistent.
    25% shooting won’t cut it from those two.
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    The Bucks stole a game in Phoenix, the Suns have to be desperate, but at the end of the day, the Bucks have to find a way because…..this situation doesn’t come around very often. I don’t have to tell Bucks fans that.
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    The table is set…..IT’S TIME!

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  28. PF4L July 20, 2021

    It seems that the National media is in a hyper frenzy sniffing Adam Schefters tail about Rodgers turning down a deal by the Packers way back when.
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    I thought this was old news from months ago.
    But maybe the new part of the story is it would have (allegedly) made him the highest paid QB.
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    With no contract details, that means what?
    Next to nothing.
    If Tommy told us he was offered a management position, what does that tell us?
    Not much….He could be the National Sales Manager for Coca Cola, or he could have gotten a promotion to be the new fry station manager trainee where he works….DETAILS MATTER.
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    FEAR THE DEER!!

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  29. PF4L July 20, 2021

    It took awhile, but i found Tommy’s twin brother.
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    Dale Brown
    4 hours ago
    They need to forget him and get someone else he’s always just been a average quarterback on a fairly good team how long has it been since they’ve won superbowel with him as Q B

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  30. PF4L July 20, 2021

    Congrats to the 2021 NBA Champion Milwaukee Bucks!!
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    I have to post this….
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    Savage57
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    July 20, 2021 at 08:13 am
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    King had coverage, lost contact with Miller while looking in the backfield and got torched, rationalization and excuses notwithstanding.
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    This was the play seconds before halftime. Much is made that it wasn’t the right defensive play call and that may be true.
    BUT….that has nothing to do with how King defended the play.
    As i posted some time ago….Kings eyes were looking back at the QB for the 1st 80% of the play, then turned back to the receiver, only to realize he got beat.
    I mean….who taught him that technique? Self taught?
    More importantly, why did he think that coverage would give him positive results?
    The coverage should have been reversed, play the receiver for the 1st 80% of the play, then look for the ball the last 20%.
    Hell…even i know that, what’s his excuse?
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    Good post Savage57.

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    1. Stiggy July 21, 2021

      King is an idiot is what happened. Watch the play and watch jaire bail out much earlier than he normally would..that’s what king was supposed to do as well. Pettine has plenty of bad game plans and calls on his resume but that isn’t one of them.

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      Also I say this every year…but even more so than last I’m really on the fence for watching nfl this season. This whole Rodgers saga…the way the media covers the league In general….the “officiating to keep tv rating up” strategy the refs have clearly started using in the last couple years….and the superficial “look how woke we are” push the NFL is copying from corporate America are beciming too much. I miss the days of being a less educated and exposed fan. Used to be about football…now it’s about everything else besides football.

      Every fucking game is going to be “Rodgers held out/holding out yadi yadi ya ..”adams upcoming free agent”….”jaire extension upcoming” etc. It’s going to be pathetic

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      1. PF4L July 21, 2021

        Stigg…
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        Don’t let outside factors affect your love of the game and the Packers.
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        Let me say this about the WOKE crowd….after all those protest, after all those arson fires, after all those store thefts, after all that criminal destruction of public and private property.
        Only two things has changed….
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        The crime rate has rapidly risen in short order,
        Especially in Cities where the political leaders told their Police Departments to stand down and retreat. Indirectly condoning the lawlessness of the protesting crowd.
        That is one thing that changed, the crime rate rising.
        WOKE..my ass.
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        The other thing that changed…Cities are losing good Police Officers. They are retiring early, or just quitting.
        I won’t explain why, because i shouldn’t have to.
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        WOKE….the term (victims) people use for the populous acknowledging systematic racism and inequality, providing hope, money, and government programs to help the underprivileged improve their quality of life.
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        How is that appreciation shown?
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        Portland crime rate increased by 2,000%
        Minneapolis crime rate increased by 600%…
        and so forth across the nation.
        Don’t even get me started on Chicago’s crime rate, or it’s pathetic excuse for a Mayor.
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        Enjoy NFL football Stigg, it’s a great diversion from reality.

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        1. Dean July 23, 2021

          Connect the dots people…
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          If cities let crime run wild for years upon years what makes you think they would not try other things …
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          Like harvest votes from cities to keep themselves in power. Hate to have to be so blunt but we need to wake up.

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  31. PF4L July 21, 2021

    Rob…thanks for the article July 8th.
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    To the Staff of TP.com
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    Breath easy….were holding things down until you decide when you want to come back, no worries.

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