Friday arrived with the daunting news that Packers receiver Davante Adams had broken off extension talks with the team’s front office. I’m sure panic instantly set in among a good percentage of the team’s faithful fans. I expect more calls for Brian Gutekunst (and maybe Russ Ball too) to be fired. But what if Adams’ departure from the team in 2022 turns out to be a blessing?
Davante is currently viewed by most analysts and pundits as one of the top two wide receivers in the league. Many view Davante as the top man, while others think he’s just behind DeAndre Hopkins. There’s also been a lot of speculation that Adams wants to become the league’s highest paid receiver, which is a pretty common demand when the contract of one of the league’s top players – at any position – comes up for renewal. It has been speculated that Adams current demands are based on the extension Hopkins received when he was traded last year from the Texans to the Cardinals.
As for Hopkins, he just turned 29. His first seven years were spent with the Houston Texans. The Texans traded him and a fourth-round pick in 2020 to the Cards for RB David Johnson, a 2020 second-round pick, and a 2021 fourth-round pick
In six of his eight pro years, Hopkins has topped the 1,000 yard mark in receiving yardage, and in the other two he went for 802 and 954. Over these eight years Hopkins has averaged 1,251 receiving yards per season, while Davante has averaged only 938. Hopkins, chosen 27th overall in 2013, has been a 4-time Pro Bowler, and he was named first-team All Pro for the first time in 2020. Adams, chosen 53rd overall in 2014, has also been a 4-time Pro Bowler, and he too was also named a first-team Al Pro for the first time last season.
Hopkins has been healthier than Adams – in eight years DeAndre has played in, and started, all but two games. In seven years, Davante has missed three games in 2015, two games in 2017, one game in 2018, 4 games in 2019, and two games in 2020.
Based solely on Hopkins receiving yardage, he’s certainly had the better career to date. Hopkins has also averaged over 93 catches per season versus Adams’ 78. After his monstrous 18 touchdown receptions in 2020, however, Davante is averaging 8.86 TD’s per year, while DeAndre’s average is only 7.5 TDs.
Let’s look at some of the financial numbers concerning these two great receivers – and let’s assume Davante is intent on becoming the league’s highest paid receiver.
The Cardinals lured Hopkins to Arizona by giving him a two-year deal at $54.5 million – for an average of $27.25M per year, and with $42.75M guaranteed. I assume that is the highest average annual amount ever paid to an NFL wide receiver. Prior to that, the Texans had a 5-year deal with him, in which he was being paid an average salary of $16.2M.
The two-year extension deal the Cards gave to Hopkins is considered an “outlier.” In other words, it is vastly and atypically more generous than other top receivers are being paid.
I have no hesitancy in saying that, even without their salary cap woes, the Packers would be foolish to offer Adams a contract in the vicinity of what Hopkins was given. Why? Because unlike teams like the Cardinals, the Packers have a boatload of talented players, so they must parcel out their funds out with great caution.
Using NFL.com’s list of Top 100 players of 2020 (as voted on by NFL players – the 2021 list has yet to be published), the Packers had six players in the top 63: A-Rod (16), Aaron Jones (33), Za’Darius Smith (48) Adams (57), David Bakhtiari (62) and Preston Smith (63). By comparison, the Cardinals have only Hopkins (8) and Chandler Jones (15) among the Top 63.
Following his four-year rookie contract, the Packers extended Adams’ contract in December 2017 for $58 million for four more years, at an average annual salary of $14.5M. For the 2021 season, Davante will carry a cap hit of $16,8M and with a dead cap value of $3.6M. Davante will turn 29 in December.
Here’s the essential reality to Davante’s apparent quest to become one of the NFL’s highest paid WRs, if not the highest-paid WR ever: the Packers cannot compete for his services on this basis, as they are in no financial position to do so. There are a bunch of teams that have tens of millions of excess and unspent dollars, and salary cap space available, to handily outbid the Packers. It’s no contest!
A number of teams come to mind that, similar to the 2020 Cardinals, have few star players on their rosters. Generally speaking, teams with consistently weak rosters include the league’s customary bottom dwellers, such as the Jets, Browns, Bengals, and those pathetic Jaguars.
By the way, Hopkins represented himself at his negotiations, while Adams is being represented by agent Frank Bauer. Bauer was a college star at Western Colorado from 1966-70, then went into college coaching, and later formed Sun West Sports & Associates, which has become one of the NFL’s top agencies. At one time, SWS represented 47 pro football players, three NFL head coaches, and seven assistant coaches. He’s been ranked as high as fifth among the NFL’s Top 10 agents by the NFL Players Association and Sports Illustrated.
Here’s another reality. ESPN reports that, with an average salary of $14.5 million per year, Adams has slipped to No. 18 on the receiver pay scale. This is not a sign of disrespect on Green Bay’s part – though Davante might well view it as such. When Davante signed his current four-year deal in the waning weeks of the 2017 season, he did not have superstar status. He had yet to be named to a single Pro Bowl or All Pro team. Since that signing, he’s been named to the four most recent Pro Bowls, and he only achieved All Pro status after the 2020 season.
We tend to forget that NFL contracts should be based on a player’s prospective ability and performance, not as a reward of sorts for past performance. Hopkins and Adams are practically clones. They are within seven months of being the same age, and Hopkins has one year more NFL experience than Adams. They are almost identical in size: Hopkins is 6’1” and 212#; and Adams is 6’1” and 215#.
Neither was drafted high in comparison to what they’ve accomplished in the pros. Neither is stunningly athletic. In fact, each have well below speed: Adams’ 40 yard dash time was 4.56 seconds, while Hopkins crossed the line at 4.57.
But never mind. Trying to determine Davante’s worth is pointless to any discussion of whether he’ll remain with the Packers in coming years. Davante’s reportedly abrupt closing off of negotiations with the team tells me all I need to know about what his priorities are. He’s going after the most lucrative deal he can get, which all but assures that his next contract won’t be with the Packers.
If this is indeed the case, I don’t begrudge Adams. He has well earned the right to an enormous payday. It’s the route most top NFL players take after they’ve established themselves as superstars. In a similar vein, the Packers fully appreciated and “respected” RB Aaron Jones and center Corey Linsley, though they were financially unable to re-sign them both heading into 2021. The Jones signing was little short of miraculous – Jones differs from Adams, in that he could have made more money by going elsewhere.
Concerning salary cap realities, I said this back on March 23:
“Let’s get back to reality. For the team to return to financial health, I can almost guarantee that over the next two seasons, the front office will have to let go or trade at least two more of their current or emerging stars. I doubt that will happen to Rodgers, Adams, Bakhtiari, or Alexander, but it might well happen to any of the four who created the problem: the Smiths, Adrian Amos, and Billy Turner.”
Given Davante’s recent stance, I must amend that prediction: it now appears that Adams will not be extending his current contract or staying the Packers after the 2021 season: he’s opted to follow the money. Good for him!
Adams’ likely departure from the team after the 2021 season will be unfortunate, but looking at the big picture, it might ultimately be beneficial to the team. Losing Davante might well enable the Packers to retain two, or even three, of their other stars who were otherwise destined to be let go by Green Bay at the conclusion of the upcoming season.
Yes, fans, the reality is that the Packers have more star players than they can afford – which we ought to view as a good problem to be faced with. The fact remains that Green Bay will be without a number of their star players by this time next year.
But, as Brett Favre proved in 2008, no one is irreplaceable.
Just can’t pay everyone the top pay at their position. Fuse is burning on full scale detonation after 2021. The explosion will be heard in Antarctica.
I really agree with you Rob.
I think one of the reasons the Pats had such prolonged success was Belichick’s drafting and free agency approach. He used free agency to sign players to short term deals in areas of need, which allowed him to draft the best player available. And if someone like Jamie Collins said “I want to be the highest paid player” he’d ship their ass to the Browns (hate him all you want but that was a magnificent troll move by BB). That was why his teams always had depth, and no positional groups were neglected.
The Packers insist on “value”, in free agency and the draft. They flat out will not draft certain positional units high (WR, MLB, etc). If they do anything for those groups, they bring in tier 2/3 guys like Kirksey & Funchess or draft guys in the 5th round.
So yeah – we do have “star power”; Alexander, Adams, Rodgers, Bakh, Jones, Z, Amos – but it’s at the expense of not being able to afford them all, and by neglecting certain positions entirely.
So that leaves us here…who is behind Tae? Who can step up? Gute’s wide receiver drafting strategy seems to be “pick 3 tall, fast-ish guys – one of them will work out.” And by the way – because we’re not trading Davante, so what do we get for him in return? Compensatory 3rd round pick? Awesome. The man deserves to get paid – and if that means leaving our broke-ass organization then God speed to him.
You can accept that Jordan Love is inevitable, and also acknowledge that Gute (and Murphy) have really fucking botched this. Not just by pissing off ARod, Adams, and now Z (read about his “realtor” post if you don’t know what I mean), but he’s putting Jordan Love in a position to fail.
I’m not so sure the Packers wouldn’t be trading Adams. the Packers could tag him, and then trade him.
Could that create yet more negative soap opera type drama in Title Town once that time comes….absolutely.
These are the Days of our Green Bay Packers.
As you’ve heard me say before…everything starts from the top down.
He was unhappy before at his restructure. He wanted a new deal, new money.
He still isn’t happy now how a guarantee was paid out.
Also, he’s believed to be not happy that the Packers didn’t pay out the 2021 guarantee ($14.76 million) in March. By letter of the agreement, the Packers will make the payments in weekly chunks during the season.
So…being pissed your 14.76 million bonus wasn’t given out in a lump sum, but given out during the season.
Translation….Rich people problems.
I have to say, this article is one of the top articles that Rob has ever written, and that’s saying something.
Extremely well thought out.
Rob rolled up his sleeves and went deep here.
Very well done.
Some time ago i posted that Adams was going to be the story. I mentioned there were so many facets to this deal, and here we are.
I’m going to try and make this not too long, but fuck, sometimes i just have a lot to say. Hopefully i can add something. My apologies ahead of time.
Let me start by saying this is not a Murphy, Gute, or Russ Ball caused problem. Although…Spending all that free agent money has handcuffed the Packers to a degree.
Four of Gutes free agents amount to 69 million of the cap in 2022.
Ferris and Burfect make great points, you can’t pay everyone. One thing you never, or you rarely ever see the Patriots do, is sign a player to huge numbers on their 3rd contract. That’s just not smart business as teams get burned far more than not doing that.
Hopkins Contract: When concerning players contracts, i’d much rather defer to others like Howard. But here’s the way i see it, if i’m wrong, i’m wrong but…..
People look at Hopkins 2 year 54 million contract as an average of 27 million ( i say bs). As Rob noted, his two year contract was an extension of a previous contract.
One look at his numbers tells you he isn’t anywhere near 27 million/year.
He received 29 million in 2020 largely due to his signing bonus.
But in the years 2021- 2024 he will average 16.3 million/year.
If you average out the start of his contract extension when he signed with Arizona. From 2020-2024
His 5 season average is 18.895 million/year.
I think his 2 year 54 million dollar contract dilutes the true facts of his average per year.
As Rob noted….it took Adams awhile to reach elite status, and lets be honest, he reached that level because of his 2020 season.
In light of breaking down Hopkins deal, i think 20 million /year for Adams services is generous.
I’ll go one further, if i’m a GM of another team, i wouldn’t give it to him.
Here’s why…Adams can’t take Rodgers with him. I’m NOT saying that Rodgers made Davante.
I’m saying…what are the chances that Adams new QB has the same rapport with him as Rodgers?
Whether you like Rodgers or not…If he’s “on point” ….if he has that special bond with a receiver…very few QB/WR combinations are more lethal than Rodgers and company.
This is not to say the receivers aren’t extremely talented, they are. But we’ve seen receivers leave before (Walker, Jennings) who didn’t have the same success once they left Green Bay.
Rob harkened back to his March 23rd post….
He was right in the aspect of losing impact players.
You can have only so many blue chip players.
And you can only spend X amount of dollars.
There will be cuts, even after Rodgers is gone.
Z. Smith, depending on his stance may be one of them.
Jenkins will want to be paid soon, Savage will get a new deal before long, Alexander will want a monster deal after his 5th year option. Maybe even Gary if he can show us he’s a 3 down starter.
Plus…don’t forget…if Adams is gone, receivers will need to be addressed right?
Maybe this is another reason why receivers should have been addressed more seriously the last few years. And that….is on Gute.
Remember how we used to guess who will step up as the #2 receiver?
Well…if Adams leaves….who is our #1 receiver…lol
Right on! Especially the point on not addressing the WR position more seriously since there was no bonified #2. Not having the foresight to at least consider the possibility of losing Adams to injury; or free agency, is inexcusable. That my friends, is on Gute. To address areas of obvious needs on the team with 5th, 6th, 7th rounders ; or free agents, year after year, and still not fixing that problem is numb minded. For Gute to keep feeding those positions with sub-par talent and expecting more teaching from the assistants and coaches of said players, and for our GM to sit back and claim “well, we addressed that position”;;;;; is simply arrogant. I don’t care how good the coordinator or HC is, the Xs’ and Os’ also need the Jimmy’s and Joe’s!
By the way Rob, good article!
I will disagree with Rob on one item….
“The Jones signing was little short of miraculous – Jones differs from Adams, in that he could have made more money by going elsewhere.”
Yea…idk about that…maybe if you switched Adams and Jones names…that statement would be be accurate..
To be sure…i did a little research, i watch a video titled “NFL Insider on why Aaron Jones took LESS MONEY to stay with the Packers | CBS Sports HQ”
Here’s the problem…..there is nothing to substantiate the claim he could have made more money. That statement is made on a hunch….not fact.
The “so called basis” in the interview that Jones took less money is this…
CBS Sports writer Jonathon Jones said he “thinks” Jones could have gotten more money, from maybe the dolphins.
Also…apparently because Drew Rosenhaus (via text) told him that he thought Jones could have got more money elsewhere.
Hardly proof of the initial claim.
I haven’t heard of any contract offer presented to Jones from another team.
Keep in mind, No one in the interview speaks of contract details, because they admit, they don’t know the details.
But that didn’t stop J. Jones from discussing a bad contract scenario of another team offering a essentially a contract with a 2 year out. Celebrating Jones opting for Green Bays more structured and secure deal….lol.
Maybe this reporter should learn contract details before he opens his mouth,
Gee…guess what……that’s exactly what the Packers gave Jones, a weak contract with a 2 year out.
I’ll say it, the deal is weak, and the Packers will only keep Jones a 3rd year if he lights the league up.
Jones 4 year 12 million a year deal is in reality…a 2 year 10 million/year deal.
The 3rd year…the Packers would owe Jones a 7.4 million dollar roster bonus in March, plus 9.1 million in salary, and a 1/2 million in work out bonus.
PLUS….he has a 19.2 million cap hit in his 3rd year
Translation = If Jones doesn’t set the NFL on fire,,,ain’t no way in hell the Packers pay him 16 million in 2023.
Jones signed a two year deal worth 10mill/year. Jones would have to win MVP to see his 3rd year in Green Bay for 16 million.
BTW Rob….it’s entirely possible that Adams makes more money going elsewhere than what the Packers want to pay him, hence, why he’d leave (if he does).
Like Kato and Mick said….this is the media type bullshit…
They claim for fact, in the title that Jones took less money.
“NFL Insider on why Aaron Jones took LESS MONEY to stay with the Packers ”
But no….it’s rather what they “think” would have happened, not factual
It seems a lot of reporters were absent in college when their professors in communications talked about truth and integrity.
Accordingly to Mike Florio Rodgers wants 90 million guaranteed for a two year extension but just yesterday it was reported he turned down such an extension. So which is it? And then where’s the money gonna come from to pay Adams 27 million per season? You simply cannot pay all these guys. If Rodgers retires, then I trade Adams. Your not going to sign him anyway. Not for that money. Which would piss off Rodgers. Adams gets traded but not Rodgers. You evaluate Jordan Love this season. If he’s the real deal then you take the draft picks from Adams and the trade of Rodgers next offseason and you could rebuild rather quickly if you draft right.
I Love this scenario. The way things are taking shape, time to move on to a new era of Packers football.
So what you’re saying is……the Packers could trade Adams and Rodgers for a bunch of draft picks?
Why hasn’t anyone else thought of that?
Damn good thinking Tom!! Thank you.
Even “IF” they traded Rodgers and, or Adams ; and collected multiple draft picks “you could rebuild rather quickly” But here’s the kicker——“If You Draft Right” Based on what I’ve witnessed in the past 30 years of great Q-backing; only winning two rings, is really sad. One of Ron Wolfs’ biggest regrets was not providing Favre with enough help at the WR position. Seems to me that this org doesn’t realize the short comings of the past, and refuses to change. The way I see it, the handling of people in GB, that’s a Packers problem. The handling of a runaway salary cap system, is an NFL problem. It simply has to be governed better. We have a bunch of players across the league who are whining about their contracts, who by the way; were giddy when they signed those contacts just a couple years ago, now crying foul. You know what, blame your damn agent and yourself, for not having the over sight that when you signed on the dotted line, that your contract could be outdated next year. It’s called the “THE TOUGH SHIT RULE”. I don’t blame the players who try to want to re-negotiate, but if you’re not granted that re-structure, then honor your contract! You signed it!
For me the key here is Jordan Love. If he’s a franchise QB then you use the draft picks to build around him. If not your start chasing your tail trying to find a QB. Just to keep this in perspective both Farve and Rodgers were 27 when they won the SB. Mahomes 26. Jordan Love is 22 and never thrown a NFL pass. They’ll be growing pains along the way. He’ll have a running game and defense to help along with LaFleur’s offense. I still say we’re a wildcard team. But the plan was for him to sit for at least another year. It won’t take long to know whether he can play. That’s why you evaluate him this year before you trade Rodgers. If Love can play you don’t need a draft package that includes a veteran QB.
The latest making the rounds is the Packers want 3 first round picks and a second for Rodgers. That and Rodgers contract demands are making the Denver Broncos pause. If I’m the Packers I don’t negotiate. I get my price or no deal. Then after the season i bargain. I make Rodgers sit this year. If we’re going with Love anyway there’s no hurry to deal him. And with Rodgers gone you trade Adams. The Texans got a 1 and a 2 for Hopkins. I’d rather trade him than pay him 27.2 million per season.
I thought the Micheal Jordan/ Scotty Pippin reference was funny. How many championships did those two win together? And how many did Rodgers and Adams? ZERO! Not even close to being the same…
As ive said before Murph is going to have give Russ the access code to the sled hill account in order to pay for all this.
Report: Aaron Rodgers May Want 2-Year $90 Million Guaranteed Deal
Because of course….saying a player “may want” , that’s as good as fact?
“NFL World Reacts To Aaron Rodgers Salary Demand Rumor” S I
Because of course…..rumor is fact?
a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth.
“Per a league source, it’s believed by at least one team that has (or had) interest in Rodgers that he wants $90 million guaranteed over two years.” Mike Florio
“This gesture — a $90 million guarantee over two years — would reinstate his untouchable status, for several seasons.
The fact that the team hasn’t given him that kind of offer yet strongly suggests that the team won’t be doing so.” Mike Florio
Can we stop regurgitating the same old bullshit over and over and over…?
Amen. Hundreds of videos on You Tube all have the same info, but with different titles. Opinions by everyone, very little facts.
All we have is what’s being reported in the media. Probably all of it coming from Rodgers. This is his last big push before he either reports or retires. And we know Rodgers wants to do neither. If I’m the Packers I don’t make this easy for him. Hopefully we get some clarification from the shareholders meeting.
If they dont get it done this year it aint happenin. Thats the bottom line here. As ive said many times. Win the fucking super bowl! Thats all that matters with this team right now. No excuses.
Yep, I’m tired of all the excuses and finger pointing. It’s time for Rodgers to put up or shut up. He likes to compare himself to Michael Jordan and Tom Brady which is a joke. Jordan and Brady win championships. Rodgers makes excuses. And now he’s got a fan base that’s pissed for all this BS. He’s gonna bet booed and he’s gonna get his feelings hurt. Once a tinker bell always a tinker bell.
“Probably all of it coming from Rodgers.”
Stay in school kids
Sure it’s coming from Rodgers. Rodgers wants to be traded. All this media nonsense is being put out by Rodgers camp in order to put pressure on the Packers to trade him. To win the court of public opinion. It didn’t work. The Packers are a very conservative organization. They don’t like undue media attention. They’re the smallest market in professional sports and they like it that way. There is absolutely no advantage for management to put out any of this shit. None. While it could potentially benefit Aaron Rodgers and at the very least make management uncomfortable. The rubber meets the road here. It’s time for tinker bell to make a decision because he didn’t get what he really wanted. He’s gonna have to choose between two evils. Report to camp or retire. I’m hoping he retires.
Wow Tom, that is some superb logic. Green Bay is just too small, conservative, and innocent to ever think about using the media to their advantage. It’s simply not in their nature. Only a big, bad, egocentric Californian like Aaron Rodgers would dare do something like that. It’s so painfully obvious I don’t know how I didn’t see it earlier.
This reminds me of a time back in 2009 when some guy at college told me that there was no way that Brett Favre could have sent Jen Sterger those dick pics when he first got to New York because he would have been too busy studying the playbook. Once again, how did I not think of that? Probably because my masculinity was not up to par yet.
If only Brett Favre had stayed in Green Bay, us Packer fans could have avoided so many unnecessary evils.
Cheesy where you been? Too afraid to talk to me? Your butt buddy PF4L thinks all this media shit was put out by the Packers. It wasn’t. I know you and dumb shit idolize Rodgers and think he can do no wrong. Enjoy your “last dance” with tinker bell. This is it. No more excuses, no more finger pointing, and no more fucking stats. Win a SB of get the hell out of town. And you two can follow him to Denver in 2022.
“Too afraid to talk to me?”
Lol…Who the fuck says something like that?
Tom M July 27, 2021
Cheesy where you been?
I think Tommy’s gettin kind of sweet on “Cheesy”
I think that’s where Tommy’s angst comes from towards me.
He thinks i’m “in the way”.
This may help Tommy….
Well Tom, aside from working all week and studying the art of masculinity, this past weekend I ran a 5k around Lambeau Field and then went camping with my nephew. Sorry I wasn’t around to enjoy the enlightening dialogue. I’ll try better next time.
To be honest, I was a little skittish about talking to you. I know I’ve come a long way but the level of your masculinity is so vast that it can sometimes be intimidating. I just need to keep reminding myself “one step at a time” and maybe I can be up there at the top of the mountain with you someday.
“Your butt buddy PF4L thinks all this media shit was put out by the Packers. It wasn’t”
“Probably all of it coming from Rodgers.”
And what proof do you have besides your vendetta against Rodgers? I don’t know where these rumors are coming from and I’m not going to pretend like I do. It looks like all of this nonsense is moot because Rodgers showed up for training camp today. Maybe he never asked for a trade at all. Or maybe he did, but Gute and Daddy Murphy put that complicated diva boy in his place. That would be the masculine thing to do. Thank goodness Murphy is our president.
“……Studying the art of masculinity”..That’s funny…i don’t care who ya are.
Is this the same Murphy who is always 3 steps ahead of Rodgers?
But seriously ….can we leave my butt outa this?….c’mon man…i don’t ask for much..
Oh, touché Cheesy! Now if you could get PF4L to see the light and follow your lead there could be hope for both of you! In the meantime, let us rejoice that our champion has returned! Who amongst here at “Total Rodgers” will be the first to kneel at the alter and gobble the goodness that is Aaron Rodgers? No pushing. No shoving. We’ll all get a turn!
IT’S ALL RODGERS FAULT!
EVERYTHING…..IS ALL RODGERS FAULT.
What makes a real Packer fan?
What makes a loyal Packer fan?
What comes first in a real Packer fans mind concerning wants and expectations for the team they love each year?
Does a true green and gold Packer Fan just want to see the Packers in the best possible position to WIN?
I think it can be agreed upon , amongst us Packer fans with a minimum of a High School Diploma, that we just want the Packers to put the very best team together to win a Super Bowl, year in and year out.
To put the best players in position that gives us the best chance at winning.
Well….then DON’T be this guy.
“It’s time for tinker bell to make a decision because he didn’t get what he really wanted. He’s gonna have to choose between two evils. Report to camp or retire. I’m hoping he retires.” – Gomer
I’m not the smartest guy in the room, but i’m thinking we have a better chance of winning in 2021 with Rodgers, than without him.
Obviously, others either don’t agree, or simply…..don’t even care.
Its funny back in January after the loss on here i said it feels like this is all over now. I dont think they can repeat this and get over the hump. But over the course of the last 6 months Aaron and the organization have put out so much horse shit talk and the media has talked so much shit about the organization that i think they just re inspired themselves and i think they can get it done and win the SB this year, lol. Just crazy shit. Thank you media and social media i guess.
Maybe now we can move past Rodgers, and figure out why we keep losing NFCCG’s.
Gute spent 182 million on mostly defensive players to be “difference makers.
182 million was the equivalent of the NFL salary cap for 2020.
It was noted that the addition of those players helped us to get to the NFCCG in 2019.
Which in and of itself…i don’t disagree with.
“Those four free agents Gutekunst signed played a significant part in going to the NFCC game against the 49ers two years ago when we were coming off a 6-9-1 season the year before.” – Gomer
That’s fantastic!!…..but …what Gomer fails to mention is once they got to the 2019 and 2020 NFCCG those free agent players didn’t do much of anything. A few tackles, maybe even a QB pressure? Otherwise, you wouldn’t have known these highly paid difference makers were even activated for the games.
If you follow Gomer’s comments…….
You have learned from Gomer that only Rodgers is responsible for those losses.
The rest of the team’s performance has nothing to do with it.
They are exempt….according to Gomer
With that in mind….isn’t it amazing how Russel Wilson beat the Packers in the 2014 NFCCG throwing for 209 yards, 1 TD..4 interceptions, 1 fumble and a 44.3 passer rating,
Yes…Sir…. A smart football fan will tell you it’s a team game, it takes everyone to win Championships.
Or you can subscribe to Gomers reasoning and logic…it’s only the QB’s (Rodgers) fault.
“When tinker bell goes 4/11/54 in the 4th quarter of the NFCC game. That’s on the self proclaimed GOAT. Gutekunst and Murphy can’t suit up and play for him. He either gets it done or he doesn’t. He didn’t. He has to take ownership of that.” – Gomer
CAUTION: Gomers type of thinking may win you The Dumb Ass of the Year Award.
You know who else didn’t do anything? Aaron Rodgers 4/11/54 in the 4th quarter of the NFCC. Let’s see, what would Michael Jordan or Tom Brady would do. You know the two he compares himself to. They’d find a way! They’d get t it done! But not your sweetheart.
Yep….Brady found a way in Super Bowl XLIX
While standing on the sidelines watching the game.
It takes a team.
MJ also found a way….he waited until the team got more talent around him because he couldn’t win a Championship on his own.
It takes a team.
There’s plenty on talent around Rodgers. Plenty. But ready your excuses now. Cuz you’ll be pointing fingers come January. And they won’t be at your beloved tinker bell….
There’s plenty OF talent around Rodgers….
Like all those free agents who disappear in NFCCG’s?
Like giving up 21 points because of shoddy pass coverage?
Watch the O line and tell me how great they were in that game.
Plenty of talent…just not many who can show it in big games.
It takes a team dumbass.
“Cuz you’ll be pointing fingers come January. And they won’t be at your beloved tinker bell….”
Humor me, teach me…..Who will they be pointing at?
Why do i feel like i’m trying to teach Algebraic geometry to an 11 year old?
This has to stop soon….smh.
If i stop talking to it, it may accuse me of being….too afraid to talk to him….lol
I can live with that :)
Your girlfriend hasn’t even taken a snap in practice and already the excuses are flying out of your trap. It’s the same song just a different verse year after year. 4 NFC championship games and 8 INTS. Yep, that’s all on the defense. Tell Tom Brady, i mean Michael Jordan, make that Aaron Rodgers, the greatest ever, we’ve been down this road before. It time to put up or shut up. Already your hedging your bet. He’s the greatest ever but everything has to be perfect for him to win it all. You know who else the team had to be perfect for? Trent Dilfer. He must be the GOAT too!
There is someone on this site who’s main bitch about other’s in here is “quoting stats” then this cunt continues to quote this ONE stat (4/11/54) . . . from ONE QUARTER of one game! Notwithstanding, the fact that the O Line could NOT contain the rush, NOR could the RB’s get any room to run. Furthermore; Aaron Jones was out injured by that time! Creating NO mismatches to help the Packers in getting any good match-ups to exploit . . . But it’s all on Rodgers? right? right??? Fuck this fucking fuck . . .
We should then ask this cunt how Mahomes did with the SAME TEAM a few weeks later . . . The ONE that calls Mahomes’ a much better QB1. Get out of here! What a joke.
There are times MMSUCKS when great QB’s cement their legacy. In the 4th quarter of the NFCC game is one of those times. Rodgers didn’t get it done. So your blaming the OL? Cuz Cheesy and PF4L were blaming Kevin King. So which is it? Either way I’m sure Randall Cobb can fix both. Those times don’t come stat whoring against the Lions or some other 6-10 team. Aaron Rodgers has a losing record when trailing games in the 4th quarter. This, as a 13 yr starter, so the sample size is significant to the tune of a .477 winning percentage. Trading for Randall Cobb won’t change that. If we are to have a chance at a SB, we’re going to have to run the ball and play defense. If you expect Rodgers to come from behind to win anything chances are you’ll be disappointed. So the question remains, can we win the SB? Yes, but only if Rodgers sticks to the MLF’s game plan. Run the ball, utilizing motion, throwing to his TE’s. Can he do it? Of course he can. But it’s also just as likely Rodgers calls out of MLF’s plays and drops back and forces the ball to his buddies Davante Adams and Randall Cobb. And if that’s the case, your beloved stats will look more like Rodgers first year in MLF’s system and not the second. And you can forget about the SB and you ladies can blame everyone else.
I am just glad all the swirling rumors and bullshit is done now. Neither side looks good in this, the Packers organization certainly has some egg on their face. All that matters is that Rodgers is back for now. If they get off to a slow start, shit could get really ugly really quickly
So, who is going to make the roster at receiver? At this point, Adams, Cobb, and Rodgers are the only locks to make the roster. Keep in mind special teams is an issue here, and at least one of the receivers will need to be able to play special teams, preferably two. I am not sold that MVS and Lazard are absolute locks. Funchess looks like he is a long shot, sitting out last year was an awful decision on his part. EQ looks like a long shot too, which is unfortunate because I was high on him coming out of college.
Things will be cleared up soon. We will have some answers…most, but not all of them, which is ok
Remember, this was always about business between the Packers and Rodgers.
Both sides share guilt…the Packers for being…lets just say stupid with their communications and pompous arrogance and weak in house problem solving skills.
I’ll add this….if i’m Murphy and Gute and i have an Aaron Rodgers, not only would i ask him his thoughts on what the team needs to field a winner, i’d initiate the conversation, i’d go to him.
If anyone reading this has to ask why….i can’t help you brother.
Rodgers with his passive aggressive behavior and coded language leaving it’s meaning up to interpretation.
Nobody doubts Rodgers intelligence but….he needs to have better awareness how he is perceived by Joe six pack.
Not everyone is on his level of intellect.
About….the Randall Cobb trade request….
I’m not a fan. Especially when you publicly let it get out.
Think leverage, for the trading team, and for Cobb($$) leverage…..AGAIN…If anyone reading this doesn’t understand that….i can’t help you brother.
If Gute had addressed wr’s, maybe this request wouldn’t have been made.
Now if traded for, they will overpay in the trade, and probably salary.
More on this if they actually trade for him.
The truth, the answer to many questions, lie in the details of the new deal.
Yes…their are already reports…no new increased money. Clear out after 2021. Right of trade refusal
No new money doesn’t surprise me, i never thought it was about that.
Say what you will about Rodgers….but talking bullshit isn’t one of his faults.
He says what he means, and means what he says.
That is why when he talked about disagreements with the team philosophy and not being able to control his destiny…i 100% believed those to be the issues he had with the Packers.
Personally….with what he has meant to this franchise, i don’t think Rodgers wanting a say in who he is traded to is unreasonable.
I could be dead wrong on everything i just wrote…but i’m eager to see details and find out.
Awhile back….i mentioned a solution to this Rodgers deal….
Tear up the old deal and rewrite a new one year deal.
Well…i’m guessing this new deal is essentially a one year deal with a clear out for Rodgers if he doesn’t change his mind and wants to stay. It will probably have a 2nd or 3rd year as voidable years to reduce his salary cap # and hold the Packers trade rights.
The Cookie Monster read my post and said it was the dumbest thing he ever read.
Which shocked me, i didn’t even know the Cookie Monster knew how to read.
Your deal, in order to entice Rodgers back for this season, was to make him a FA after this year. That is not what happened. The Packers own Rodgers thru the 2022 season instead of thru the 2023 season. By the time 2022 rolls around Jordan Love will be ready and your sweetheart will have lost yet another playoff game. But I’m sure it’ll be because the rosters not perfect for him. We’ll still be able to trade Rodgers next offseason season. Under your ridiculous plan we’d have gotten a comp pick and that’s it.
I didn’t say i had it guessed out down to the last detail….moron.
Why don’t you wait to see the details of the contract, before you tell me what they are.
Where the hell is everybody?
Don’t know for sure Kato. Maybe a lot of people are stunned of what has transpired in the last 48 hrs or so. Or, maybe a lot of people are just wore the f++k out over this Rodgers vs management feud.
The Packers are allegedly bringing Randall Cobb back? Not sure how I feel about that but at least it’s a veteran presence. As long as he can stay healthy, signs on the cheap, and can be productive I suppose it’s an alright signing. I wonder what they will have to trade to the Texans for Cobb. This is the most effort Gute has put into bolstering the WR core in years.
I see Packer great Blake Bortles has been waived. Sad, I know. He was supposed to take us to the Super Bowl with minimal stats like the modest man he is. On the bright side, his couch cushions are probably still warm since he’s only been gone for a few weeks.
Ironically, if they do acquire Cobb, it is based on the input of Rodgers.
If this happens, i hope he gives us the same effort and hustle he gave to Dallas.
He didn’t have good numbers last season, his yards and APC went way down.
The one positive thing about Cobb last season was his 79% catch rate.
Something Funchess and MVS could only dream of.
This idea isn’t exactly blowing my skirt up.
If he comes back here and plays with the same weak effort like his last 3 years here, this one is on Rodgers.
You don’t need to have a high football acumen to understand how Cobbs production went down each and every season after he cashed in his lottery ticket after the 2014 season.
The other side of this is that it most likely puts Amari Rodgers on the bench, but that shouldn’t be a shock to anyone watching the Packers drafts as it’s par for the case.
There’s been very, very little success with Gute after round 2.
This again….is based on the Packers actually acquiring Cobb.
I just looked at Cobbs contract.
I think Houston would be happy to unload him as his 1st two seasons are guaranteed money.
9 mill/year for 441 yards and 3 TD’s? GTFO!
Sounds like Jimmy Graham all over again.
This should be interesting.
Over the last 5 seasons, Cobb has averaged 583 yards a game and 3.2 TD’s a season.
With no more than 3 TD’s in a season since 2017 when he had 4 TD’s.
Jordy had 6 TD’s in the first 5 games of 2017.
WTF was Houston thinking?
But then again..Indy gave 10 million to Funchess for the 2019 season.
I guess the bar isn’t set too high regarding “qualified” NFL General Managers.
Fuck Cobb, bring Jordy back for 3 million.
I’ll guarantee he has more yards and TD’s than Cobb had last season.
My sentiments exactly. Cobb didn’t do much his last few years here, while getting what was #1 WR money at the time. What make this time any different? LaFluer’s offense? Apparently Rodgers thinks Cobb can help out so we’ll see.
I tried not to complain about this because they are finally trying to bring someone in after not bringing anyone in for so long so there’s that. Cobb has had moments here and there but he’s never been at the top of my list. Obviously, if they bring back anyone it should be Jordy but it sounds like he’s A-ok being settled in with his family down in Kansas.
Why do the bucks have thanasis? The same reason the packers are bringing cobb back as well as camaraderie
When I started my new career my department was me and a bunch of people in their early-mid twenties. Im practically the same age as Rodgers. Sitting in those meetings…socializing…and just listening to them was awful. They were great kids but Having to sit there while they learned things I knew for a decade was also pretty awful. There was absolutely no common ground from everything to cultural references to music to fashion. After a very short period I was promoted…on to a team with other people my age. It’s been much better. Keep in mind I only see these people a few hours a week in person.
Now imagine Rodgers…spending 10+ hours a day at the facility, road trips, and really 8 months out of his year with a bunch of 22-26 year old kids. It’s gotta be awful. Cobb gives him a friend….can help these young kids learn their shit….and really take away some of that grind of the season having a close friend on the roster. If cobb can make a couple key third down catches this year I’ll label it a success if it keeps 12 happy.
When Cobb demanded #1 wr money. he went straight downhill after 2014….the more i think about it, the more i hate this fucking idea.
i would still hate it for 3 mill/year.
What was our weakest link in the NFCCG?…Clearly Kevin King.
Fuck “Cobb’s Best Man” Rodgers “taking care” of a good friend…we need a veteran corner.
I want to see how his contract is structured, this has the makings of a shit story.
My prediction…wait for it….we are now going to see more salary cap cash kicked further down the road.
It’s gonna happen….watch
This has disaster written all over it.
2 year deals for Rodgers and Cobb….plus 2 voidable years?
We wait and see.
The money for cobb only exists because Rodgers is willing to create it by negotiating his contract. He didn’t want to do that for a veteran corner so you can’t really evaluate it like that.
Like it or not this isn’t a football decision..but a morale decision. Green Bay sucks (as a city)…green Bay sucks without good friends there….green Bay really sucks when you have no friends are you are surrounded by millennial and gen z all day.
Super bowls aside…Rodgers looked across the sidelines last year and saw Brady head off to the super bowl with a team full of guys he pushed for like Antonio brown. I think the packers owe it to Rodgers to give him a player he wants on the team.
The difference is Antonio Brown may very well turn out to be the biggest bargain of the year. 3 million/year
If he he can keep his shit together of course.
I disagree….a players time in Green Bay is what they make it. Plus…they are kind of busy playing football, traveling, installing weekly game plans, etc.
Rodgers has been in Green Bay for 16 years, he has very good friends on the team, he has his fiancé.
Lets not act like Rodgers is a lonely helpless hermit who has nobody to talk to.
You make an interesting point Stiggy. Rodgers isn’t interested in renegotiating his contract for a corner like Kyle Fuller but for Randall Cobb he’s more than happy to do so. What does that tell you? He’s more interested in his stats and awards than he is a championship. And on this pathetic site that’s just fine…
You girls get as much of a hard on for Jordy as you do for Aaron. Careful, I know a certain QB that might get jealous. Look you two. You can pretend all you want. The Raiders cut Jordy cuz he was 34, had a ACL and was done. 31 other teams felt the same. No one picked him up. He was no longer a number 2 WR let alone a 1. And don’t quote stats. There was nothing there a first or second year WR couldn’t put up in the way of “stats” for a fraction of his contract.
“Assistant GM” Aaron Rodgers is demanding Randall Cobb and his 8 million salary to be traded to the Packers. Never mind Amari Rodgers will do exactly the same only better for a fraction of the cost. Now if we could just get Jake Kumerow back somehow……
I am NOT very comfortable with Cobb. His last few years in GB were not that impressive. Knowing this clown show at 1265, they will probably trade Lazard . . . or an up and coming O Lineman. Time will tell.
The clown show your referring to has nothing to do with the Cobb deal. That’s all Aaron Rodgers the new assistant GM. A 6th round draft pick and the Texans picking up 3 million of his salary isn’t a huge deal. But wait until Rodgers wants Davante Adams signed for 30 million a season for 4 or 5 years. Then we’re all screwed.
You are fucking obtuse, clueless, and a troll. Fuck off.
Back at ya sweetheart…..
Yep! Lol! . . . The black mold that is in your basement (below your trailer) is robbing you of what little cognitive skill that you may have left . . . You should consider moving your IBM 8088 out of the basement. Or, better still; Remove your mold . . . https://youtu.be/nFO5Yd-r8UA
Sure, just as soon as I’m finished with you mom….
I’m moving there with your mom. Hope you’ll come visit! And yes, you can call me daddy!!
“Sure, just as soon as I’m finished with you mom…. “
Wait a minute, so MMSUCKS is… your mom? Yet, you’re also his daddy? And you’re moving somewhere with his mom, who also happens to be your grandma?? Tom, what kind of weird roleplay are you getting into? And is this some sort of next level masculinity that accuses your opponent of being a bitch, that you just happen to be the son of?
Not only that, but you also plan on finishing with this hypothetical incest bitch mom? Holy shit balls, if that isn’t the most dominant mind fuck I’ve ever heard I don’t know what is. You are the fucking King, Tom. Absolute fucking KING. Move over Lebron. Machismo numbero uno has arrived!
Now don’t get jealous cheesy. I’ll get around to your mom next. Or maybe your sister. Tell me, which one is best?
Now i know why the writers were staying away.
They didn’t want to read this stupid shit.
And there’s a lot of stupid shit. “Did you see Aaron Rodgers press conference?” “He was wonderful!” “He really gave Brian Gutekunst a piece of his mind!” “Aaron Rodgers is so dreamy!” “Jake Kumerow was second best WR on the team, just like Aaron said!” “Let’s bring back Jordy!” “He can still play!” “ This team isn’t worthy of Aaron Rodgers.” And the stupidity goes on and on. You ladies have about 7 months to jerk off to your sweetheart heart. Come March he’ll be somewhere in the AFC and this website can go back to be “Total Packers” and it can’t get here fast enough.
But for now, we have…….
Tom M July 31, 2021
Now don’t get jealous cheesy. I’ll get around to your mom next. Or maybe your sister. Tell me, which one is best?
Packers place 6 more players on non-football injury list, including Za’Darius Smith and Kevin King.
I don’t even like Richard Sherman.
But…i’ll spend 4 or 5 million on him before i trade for Cobb, even if Cobb reworks his deal.
I can’t see a scenario where Sherman doesn’t beat out King and Stokes for the starting job.
Even given the serious legal trouble he is in? He will likely see a suspension, and will be lucky to not see jail time. Before his legal issue, I would have agreed. Now, idk. It would be very risky
TBH Kato, i forgot about that….but Kevin King should have been addressed, not just by a rookie.
Their are only just so many Jaire Alexanders out there that play well right out of the gate.
I mentioned trading for Gilmore months back, but i think he over values himself at this point.
He’s bitching that he’s only making 7 million, but he doesn’t mention he already got his signing bonus and his contract paid him on average 13 million/year.
I just watched the video of him…i’m retracting my statement…lol
“I’m better at life than you” – Richard Sherman
KIng being out allows a good look at Stokes.
Not a fun fact: Wisconsin is one of 5 States with an 80% or more increase of Covid cases in the last 7 days.
Wisconsin has seen a 100% increase in that time.
If the increase keeps up across the Country as it is, we’ll see a scaling back of people attending events, including sporting events.
Damn….Rodgers just laid it out on the table. Even i didn’t think he’d get into that many specifics.
He’s layin it out raw.
“He was the second best WR coming out of camp last year.” -Aaron Rodgers.
This is why players aren’t GMs
This same guy had 1 catch for 22 yards last year on one of the best offenses in the NFL last year, and likely won’t make the Bills roster.
I don’t know why this is such an absurd comment. It’s not like there were any other receivers in camp that had done anything significant up to that point. I’m not arguing for Kumerow but you can’t tell me MVS, EQ St.Brown, and Lazard were tearing it up to where they were head and shoulders above the next guy. Heck, two years later you could argue that the Packers still don’t have a #2 caliber WR. But that doesn’t matter because LaFluer’s system does everything for you. No talent or chemistry needed.
Hell…next year we may not have a #1 either.
We may not have a #1 next year
Does it ever end? You two have got your nose so far up Rodgers ass it’s pathetic. Let’s compare “stats” of everyone else to Kumerow. Oh, that’s right Jake Kumerow didn’t have any “stats” and got cut twice. But Rodgers was right, he was the second best WR. The second best WR he never threw to. Im sure Kumerow was the second best WR on the Bills too. Right behind Stefon Diggs. Just go back to telling each other Jordy could still play. Sure he could. It’s why the Raiders cut him and no one else picked him up. Because he was still so good. You two have no concept of reality.
Rodgers presser was, interesting. Some of the stuff, I can back him on. Like, him being an ambassador to help recruit free agents, if he did indeed make that interest known, would be dumb for the organization to turn down. Playing with Rodgers for a historic franchise would be really the biggest factor in recruiting free agents, especially if you are trying to get bargains
On the other hand, moaning about guys that were let go, it is all a part of the business unfortunately. There is a salary cap, and you can’t keep everybody. Well run organizations tend to let older players walk because typically they won’t be as productive. Can you point to some things in hindsight and say, yeah that wasn’t a good call? Sure. Hindsight is 20/20. You can literally go through every team and point out several mistakes made. Bad draft picks when “x” player was available, “x” free agent not working out, or letting “x” walk was a mistake because they turned into an all pro. Was letting Clay Matthews walk a mistake? I don’t think so. Charles Woodson? In hindsight yes, because even at his age, he was better at safety than the guys they drafted. They gambled there and lost. Micah Hyde? I wasn’t a fan of letting him walk at the time. Casey Hayward? He had a good rookie year, but afterwards was always injured and wasn’t as effective, I don’t think anyone here doubted the logic in letting him walk. Jordy has been hashed out here several times. I can agree that lowballing him at veterans minimum was disrespectful, but beyond that, I tend to think they made the right decision, depending on how much money he wanted. We will never know those details. Rodgers sounds like a guy on his way out
For some strange reason, i’m going to go out on a limb and guess that Rodgers knows far more than you do about the workings inside 1265.
Not everything is hindsight Kato.
When Jordy was released i called bullshit…at the time.
When Nick Perry was signed to a winning lottery ticket i called bullshit….at the time.
When Graham was signed, i called bullshit…at the time.
When someone said bench Rodgers and start Hundley i said bullshit…at the time.
When Gary was drafted at 12 i said bullshit…at the time.
When Love was drafted i said bullshit…at the time.
The same fate awaits Aaron Rodgers if there’s not SB trophy in Green Bay next year. That’s life in the NFL. You can’t pay everyone. You can’t keep everyone. And the only thing Rodgers knows is that everyone he mentioned was his friend. And he wanted to keep his buddies around. That would be fine if the Packers were a country club but they are not. Which doesn’t make him more knowledgeable than anyone else. Once again your into your hero worshiping. He’s not a deity.
Nationally….I think Rodgers gained a lot of respect for his honesty and candor laying out his case.
I’d give him a 9.5. He was smart, articulate, yet humble.
That was a tough situation being fed to the sharks, He was in control from A-Z.
One thing…when he named all those players who left, he may be right in one way or another, but maybe not on every single one.
You could tell he’s still pissed off about how they did Jordy, as i am.
It’s not too late for assistant GM Aaron Rodgers to offer Jordy 20 million to come back for one “last dance”.
Rodgers did a good job conveying his position. Several of the players he mentioned a point could be made for, some of the others… not so much. Maybe he was referring to how those situations were handled rather than implying everyone of those should have been kept.
On the flipside, I watched Brian Gutekunst’s presser. He would make a good politician because he’s just as full of it as Murphy, he’s just a much smoother talker.
I gave him a certain degree of credit for acknowledging that Rodgers should be in the conversations, and because he laid some blame on himself some time ago.
This is in front of the National media, so benefit of the doubt i guess.
It was a decent gesture.
R Cobb was/is a mentor to Arami Rodgers — that may have played into the deal as well. Not sure how much that is worth.