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Robert Tonyan Extended, Salary Cap Breathing Room Added

One of the Packers most valuable offensive weapons will be back in the fold after the team extended tight end Robert Tonyan. The move, which converted over $2.3 million of his nearly $3.4 million deal into a bonus. The moved created a shade under $1.9 million salary cap space for the Packers in the coming season. On sites like bet-pa.com, this will work in the Packers’ favor.

Tonyan, who had 52 catches for 586 yards and 11 touchdowns, came into his on in his third NFL season. He started four years at Indiana State after redshirting in 2012. Moving to wide receiver from quarterback, Tonyan caught 54 passes in his second year, 40 as a junior and 56 as a senior.

Tonyan was signed by the Lions in May of 2017 to a three-year contract. In doing so, he became the 10th football player to reach then NFL out of Indiana State. After not making the Lions opening day roster, the Packers signed him to the practice squad for the final four games of the season. He was then re-signed by the Packers for the 2018 season.

Used sparingly over his first two seasons, Tonyan caught just 14 passes for 177 yards and two touchdowns in 27 games. Last season, he started more than once in a season for the first time, starting eight times. His 11 touchdown receptions was tied with Travis Kelce for the most for NFL tight ends. He has wasted no effort in proving his worth to the team.

The added salary cap space from the deal is enough to take on the contract of Aaron Rodgers. Head coach Matt Lafleur is unsure whether or not Rodgers will appear for the three-day mandatory mini-camp. If he misses, he could be fined. Although Rodgers has become unhappy with the organization, LaFleur wants Rodgers to be starting behind center for the 14th consecutive season with the Packers. It is still anyone’s guess as to what will become of the situation and commentators are eating it up.

The Packers are planning on Rodgers to be on the team in 2021, which would be great news for Tonyan to increase his status among tight ends in the NFL. Rodgers and Tonyan have often found success together in the red zone. Unfortunately, there is still a lot of speculation as to Rodgers’ status with the team this upcoming season so we will just have to wait and see.

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  1. Mick June 3, 2021

    The Tonyan extension is great news for the MLF system. In fact, I’d like to see more of Tonyan involved in the offense, considering that he produces when ever he is counted on. He loves being a Packer, is tough and, is more reliable than Sternberger or anyone else on the team at TE. Happy for “Big Bob”.

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    1. Dean June 4, 2021

      It took three years for Tonyan to develop. Props to GB for not giving up on him.

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      1. PF4L June 4, 2021

        I’m not sure if it took him 3 years, or if it took the Packers 3 years to utilize him.
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        Tonyan is playing for a lot this season.
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        If he has a season this year, anything close to last season, he’s ready for a big payday (7-8mill/year from somebody).
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        Which would create a problem for the Packers as they are going to be backed up against the cap in 2022.
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        Some people blame Rodgers salary for that.
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        But dishing out over 240 million to free agents in 2018, 2019 didn’t help. Not to mention, kicking that money down the road to 2022 isn’t going to help them in 10 months from now either.
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        But the sheep, will only blame Rodgers.
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        In related….
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        Whose idea was it to structure Rodgers deal with so much cap hit money in 2021-22?
        It couldn’t have been Russ Ball and the Packers decision….could it?
        Or is that also, Rodgers fault?
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        I’m pretty sure that it’s also Rodgers fault that ticket prices have increased annually, the last 10 years.
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        It’s also fairly obvious Rodgers is to blame somehow for the drought conditions in California.
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        Rising gas pricing?……Rodgers

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        1. Dean June 4, 2021

          Tonyan was injured the second year. He showed flashes but being injured set him back the second year — GB was rewarded for being patient….

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          1. PF4L June 8, 2021

            Yea….but his injury was probably Rodgers fault.
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            Throw him open, don’t throw him to be exposed and get injured.
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            Stats this, stats that, SB this this, MVP that…..That Diva has got to go.
            He’s the reason we haven’t won another Super Bowl.
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            Straighten up son!!

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  2. PF4L June 3, 2021

    Tonyan didn’t really get an extension per se, he got 4 void years added as the Packers keep kicking that can down the road.
    There will be substantial cap relief in 2023, but 2022 is going to be a hot mess.
    Which, in my opinion is why, the Packers are taking a firm stance on Rodgers.
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    1) His cap hit makes the 2022 salary cap almost unmanageable.
    2) His existence in 2022 wearing green and gold, was not in the Packers master plan. Related directly to reason #1.
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    This is the Packers own fault for 2 reasons…
    A) They gave him a front loaded new contract.
    B) Shortly thereafter, they changed their mind and found the next franchise QB, which apparently everyone was on board with. So they needed an exit plan for Rodgers, keep him through the 2021 season until his dead cap was manageable, letting the new boy wonder learn for two seasons….OOPS
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    Somewhat curious….it seems the Packers are going to continue holding Jordan Love’s hand while he crosses the street.
    The Packers are not allowing Love to go in front of the media still.
    Today after practice MLF, Patrick, Tonyan, and AJ will be made available to the media.

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  3. Mick June 3, 2021

    Good point about the Packers not exposing Love to the media. I think with this Rodgers vs organization fiasco going on; they’re not gonna put Love out there so the media can feast. It would be different if the media had any sense of treating the players with dignity. Love shouldn’t have to answer ANY questions, or give his opinion on the Rodgers / organization dumpster fire, IMO. But that’s not how the media operates, they want the soup stirred, one way or another, and they’re relentless. I agree with you PF4L, the training wheels should be taken off, but I think it is wise to keep Loves’ contact with the media closely guarded, until this fiasco has been finalized. Love has enough on his plate as it is, and to put him out there to answer any questions on this shit show, which he has no control over, would be mindless.

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    1. PF4L June 3, 2021

      I understand and agree with you to a large extent Mick.
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      But at the same time, he’s a multi millionaire drafted with expectations.
      I want to hear him speak….about his thought process, his demeanor at the task at hand, his focus, his vision, his mental make up, his personality as far as determining, does this dude have leadership ability.
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      I get that some interviewers are tough, but these are local reporters who don’t like stepping on Green Bay Packer toes.
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      I just think if you have the mental make up to be the leader of a team of Alpha males, surely you can handle some local reporters.
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      It’s not in my control, i’ll just have to wait until the Packers peel off the layers of bubble wrap around Love. I don’t want to see his feelings get hurt, or be faced with a tough question.

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      1. Mick June 3, 2021

        I see your points and agree totally. It isn’t the local media that I was referring to, it’s the national media. I would think that management should let Love available to the media and if he was asked about the Rodgers situation; to just say “I have no comment on those type of questions”. I agree, Packer Nation would love to hear from this kid. (Kind of reminds me of the McCarthy regime, where HE did all the media talking and seldom let his assistants available)—– The disease is still in the building!

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  4. PF4L June 4, 2021

    Things you never heard said about Jordan Love….
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    Here are things said about Justin Fields 5 weeks after being drafted…..
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    “…..coach Matt Nagy held court after the team’s first open OTA workout and said Fields had thus far met, and to a certain extent, exceeded expectations.”
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    “He’s done a really good job at just trying to digest everything we are teaching in this offense in particular right now,” Nagy said. “He’s extremely, extremely calm, which I love. So when something bad happens, and the next play, it doesn’t matter to him because he’s so calm and he has confidence in himself.”
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    “Justin is definitely a freakish athlete, to say the least,” Bears running back David Montgomery said. “He already kind of carries that leader mantra that you rarely see in rookies that I know I didn’t have.”
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    Chicago’s immediate plan at quarterback is clear. Nagy revealed Fields is slated to open the regular season as the No. 2 quarterback, behind starter Andy Dalton and in front of third-stringer Nick Foles

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    1. Tom M June 5, 2021

      Of course they’re going to say wonderful things about Justin Fields. Chicago just gave up their next two draft classes to get him. But he’s still behind Any Dalton. That’s all you need to know.

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      1. PF4L June 5, 2021

        Fields has been with the Bears for 6 weeks, and he is still behind Andy Dalton?
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        It’s a world gone crazy isn’t it?
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        Thanks for the enlightenment….lol
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        Stay in school kids.

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        1. PF4L June 5, 2021

          “Chicago just gave up their next two draft classes to get him” – Tommy
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          Tommy….do you know what a draft class consist of?
          Maybe….have someone explain it to you?
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          The Giants received Chicago’s first-round (No. 20) and fifth-round picks this year, and the Bears’ first- and fourth-rounders next year.
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          Sounds like a 1st and 4th round pick…next year.
          Is that two draft classes?
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          PLEASE….convince us you’re smarter than a 5th grader!!

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          1. PF4L June 5, 2021

            This is a unique Packer website Tommy….
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            This site is for informed well educated, clearly above average NFL and Packer fans.
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            We don’t embellish, present fiction as fact, or blatantly lie to try to win a debate, and when we are wrong, most of us admit it and own it.
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            You Sir, are clearly out of your element here.
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            The good news is there are plenty of other Packer sites that may cater more towards the “special” Packer fan such as yourself.
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            Good luck to you..

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          2. Tom M June 5, 2021

            PF4L, “the problem solver” or do you prefer “the critical thinker”? We know absolutely nothing about Justin Fields or Jordan Love right now. Everything coming out of camp for these two is like everything coming out of your mouth. Pure BS. It’s going to be awhile before either team knows what they have. But that won’t stop you from embarrassing yourself.

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          3. PF4L June 5, 2021

            Fantastic…now do you have an understanding what a draft class actually is now?
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            You’re welcome.

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          4. PF4L June 5, 2021

            “It’s going to be awhile before either team knows what they have.” – Tommy
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            But the Packers knew enough to draft him #1 and trade up a 4th?
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            After 14 months are the Packers have no clue what they have with Love? …Really?
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            So a week ago, MLF saying that Love has a long way to go…..that’s pure bullshit, according to you?
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            Every post you make…lol
            Keep digging :)

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          5. Tom M June 5, 2021

            Look, “Problem Solver” both Justin Fields and Jordan Love have first round talent. That’s no guarantee for success. As far as prospects go, they’re very similar. The bears gave up two number one picks, a fourth and fifth to move up 9 spots. That’s a lot to me. You however, seem to think it’s no big deal but you’ll bitch and moan with the rest of the girls because we gave up a 4th to move up and take Love. After his first camp we thought we had a player in Brett Hundley. There was talk that he was our Jimmy Garapolo and would fetch a second round pick. Then he had to play. You never know what you have for sure until these young QB’s get a chance to play. Something Jordan Love never got the chance last year. As far as your Justin Herbert comparison. Herbert got first team reps from day one. Love had to share whatever reps he got with Boyle. Love was drafted as a project. He didn’t need to be ready to play. He didn’t even need to be the back up. Neither Boyle nor Love played last year so it’s a moot point on who was backup. Justin Fields cannot be another Mitch Tribisky. Ryan Pace has to get this right. Of course they’re gonna talk him up. But if he’s wrong, and we hit on Jordan Love, when Pace could have drafted Love the year before and kept all those picks. They’ll tar and feather him in Chicago. The stakes are high all the way around….

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          6. Cheese June 5, 2021

            Lol, the Bears paid a steep price for not only Fields, but also Trubisky. Everyone knew trading up for Trubisky was questionable. Everyone knew trading up for Love was questionable.
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            Here’s the difference between the Packers trading up for Love and the Bears trading up Fields….
            THE BEARS ACTUALLY NEEDED A QUARTERBACK.
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            Fields will more than likely start games in his rookie season. The Packers just signed Rodgers to a new contract then proceeded to spend a 1st and 4th round pick on a bench player who can contribute nothing to help win a Super Bowl. Now the Packers brass is saying Rodgers “is their guy” and they’ll never get rid of him because “they’re not idiots.” Well Mark, that sure sounds like something a backtracking idiot would say.

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          7. PF4L June 5, 2021

            Tommy….You do realize that one of those 1st rounders, netted them a better first round pick right?
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            So they gave up a 1st round, a 5th round , and a 4th rounder, 3 picks in two drafts.
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            Or as YOU call it….TWO DRAFT CLASSES.
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            Just say no to drugs kids.

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          8. PF4L June 5, 2021

            First Tommy….you might have thought you had a player in Brett Hundley back when he was pre season MVP. I’m not that gullible.
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            Secondly Tommy…i give no shit what the Bears do, they haven’t been relevant for decades, much like your vikings.

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          9. Tom M June 6, 2021

            If you don’t care about the Bears “Problem Solver” then why bring them up? You were the one telling us of all the glowing reports coming out of Bears camp about Justin Fields and how that’s somehow an indictment on Jordan Love.

            Look Cheese, your girlfriend went 4/11/54 yards in the 4th quarter of NFCC game. Who says we don’t need a QB? I’d have traded the little bitch in January if I were Gutekunst. But not now. I make him retire. But that’s the difference between you and me. I want a QB that can win championships. You want a QB that wins individual awards and you can make excuses for.

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          10. Cheese June 6, 2021

            “Who says we don’t need a QB?”
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            Are you fucking kidding me? Replace the MVP of the league with a project QB that couldn’t even make second string last year? Maybe the Chiefs should move on from Patrick Mahomes because Tampa Bay’s defense had him running for his life with 0 TD’s, 2 INT’s, and a QBR of 52.3.
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            ” I’d have traded the little bitch in January if I were Gutekunst.”
            OK tough guy. You know why Gute hasn’t traded Rodgers? Because that’s his job security. If he’s so confident in his draft picks then move onto Love. Love isn’t ready and he knows it. He also knows what an idiot he would look like trading away the current MVP.
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            “I want a QB that can win championships. You want a QB that wins individual awards and you can make excuses for.”
            Right, because individual awards are such a terrible thing to have. That’s the one thing holding this team back, Rodgers individual production. If only the Packers had a less talented quarterback who never wins awards, then they could win a championship. Maybe they should have picked up Mitchell Trubisky. Better yet, they signed Blake Bortles who hasn’t started a game in over two years. I don’t know why Green Bay hasn’t shot to #1 in the power rankings yet. Bortles totally would have won that NFCCG last year and lit that Tampa defense right up, but he would have made sure not to have too many stats while doing so.

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          11. Tom M June 7, 2021

            In 2010 we went 10-6, went on the road as a wildcard, ran the table, and won the SB. That’s the season everyone remembers. Not 2011 when we went 15-1, Rodgers threw 45 TD’s, won the MVP but got bounced out of the divisional round of the NFC playoffs. We’ve been chasing our tails ever since 2010. Brett Favre won the MVP three times. Without looking it up Cheese, tell me which years he won them. You can’t. No one remembers because it means next to nothing. Yet everyone remembers Favre’s only SB win. In five years very few fans will remember Rodgers 2020 MVP season. They will however remember another Rodgers loss in the playoffs who now has a losing record in the post season over the last 10 years. You play the game to win championships not individual awards.

            As far as Patrick Mahomes, he’s only 27 and has been in the league three years, starting two, making two SB appearances and winning one. While Rodgers has had 16 years in the league, 13 as a starter and has spent a decade coming up short yet winning personal awards. Let me ask you this Cheese, would you consider this coming season a success if we miss the SB but Rodgers wins another meaningless MVP? Most fans would not. Brian Gutekunst didn’t put us 30 million over the cap next year just for Rodgers to win another MVP. He wants a SB and isn’t afraid to hurt your girlfriend’s feelings in the process.

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          12. Cheese June 7, 2021

            ” Brett Favre won the MVP three times. Without looking it up Cheese, tell me which years he won them. You can’t. No one remembers because it means next to nothing”
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            Wow, you sure got me there. Favre won in 95, 96, and shared with Barry Sanders in 97. Rodgers won in 2011, 2014, and 2020. I didn’t look any of this up because it’s all basic knowledge if you’re a Packer fan with half a clue.
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            Your argument is trash. Was it because of Rodgers that the Packers got bounced in 2011 or the pathetic defense? People will only remember Rodgers’ playoff losses instead of his 3 MVP’s? That sounds totally logical and unbiased.
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            No, I would not see next year as a success if the Packers didn’t win A Super Bowl and Rodgers got an MVP. When did I say last year was a success?
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            Just because the front office has the organization $30 million over the cap doesn’t mean they are putting the team in a position to win now, it just means that they aren’t good at managing the cap.

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          13. Tom M June 7, 2021

            Then we agree on something Cheese, last year was a failure. What would be different about this year? I say nothing at all. While you think it’s management and your all about stats. I say Rodgers has had 10 years, and like Favre before him, he couldn’t get it done in GB. NY, or Minnesota. Rodgers won’t get it done anywhere else either. So I say trade him. If we’re singing the same song just a different verse come January then start Love now. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers signed Tom Brady to win a championship, not an MVP award. He delivered. Then he promptly restructured his contract so the Bucs could keep their guys and make another run. What did Aaron Rodgers do? He used his MVP award to try and leverage a contract EXTENSION and refused to restructure his current contract to sign FA to make a run this year. Think about this. Your beloved Aaron Rodgers is currently under contract right now until he’s 40. He wanted another 2-3 yrs added on at 40 million plus per season. Not only is such an extension unwise, it’s beyond stupid to guarantee that much money to any player in his 40’s. In the meantime 44 yr old Tom Brady’s contract for this year is 17 million. That tells me your girlfriend is more interested in money and ego than he is about going out and winning a championship. When Aaron Rodgers would rather be traded to Denver, where he no chance at a SB rather than stay in GB where this might very well be his last best chance to win a SB, tells me he’s not that interested. He’s more interested in these petty, grudge holding games. You want more head games? Rather than wait 6 weeks until camp opens, tell the world now. You coming to work or not? Gutekunst and Murphy have put their cards on the table, but not lover boy. Because he’s all about the drama….

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          14. Cheese June 7, 2021

            When did I say I was all about stats? I just said I would rather the Packers win a Super Bowl than have Rodgers win another MVP. Yes, when you are productive you accumulate stats, and when you’re extremely productive, more so than anyone in the league, you win awards such as most valuable player. When did this become a bad thing?
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            Sure you’ll say Rodgers racks up stats then chokes in the playoffs, but football is a team sport and there’s a lot more to factor in than just Rodgers. I never said Rodgers was perfect. He makes mistakes. He’s human. But to act like he’s the main reason they lose is ridiculous.
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            I’m not going through every playoff loss again to bring up all the dumb shit that has happened that Rodgers had no control over. Could he have run the ball in on that last 3rd down against Tampa? Yeah, he could have. But he also thought that they would go for it on 4th down because no one in their right mind would fathom kicking a field goal in that situation. Did he try to force the ball to Davante? Yeah, he did. Why not try some misdirection, throw to one your big tight ends, or use “Quadzilla” who sat on the bench like the rest of this years top draft picks. But when Davante is his most reliable receiver it’s sort of understandable. We can all play captain hindsight but if one of those plays works who’s to say what happens after that. They still had to make a 2-pt conversion and win in overtime.
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            You can’t say Rodgers won’t get it done anywhere else because you have no idea and neither do I. Maybe he could maybe he couldn’t. It’s hard to win in GB when the front office is playing this game of one foot in the door, one foot out. They say they’re in “win now” mode but then their actions says the complete opposite.
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            “it’s beyond stupid to guarantee that much money to any player in his 40’s.”
            Why? Rodgers just won the MVP and is in the best shape of his life. There’s way more to this than “RoDgErs Is GreEdY.”. He wants commitment from the team so he knows he’s not just wasting his time when he could be working towards building something on another team. So if that’s the case, either commit to him or let him go. Gute clearly wanted to move on from Rodgers in a few years and Rodgers has more than a few years left in him so stop dicking him around and wasting his time.
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            Head games? Rodgers is just reciprocating what the Packers have been pulling with him. Your boy Mark Murphy just publicly made a comment that the “Rodgers situation is dividing the fanbase,” and then proceeded to say “We are working to resolve the situation and realize that the less both sides say publicly, the better.” Really Mark, contradict yourself much? Did anyone else catch that? “RODGERS IS DIVIDING THE FANBASE but the less both sides say, the better.” This guy is the biggest dolt I’ve ever seen, and unfortunately he’s in charge of my favorite sports team.

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          15. Tom M June 8, 2021

            When your an Aaron Rodgers fanboy. Like you, and everyone on this site. You quote Rodgers stats, you worship his stats, you cherish Aaron Rodgers stats because that’s all he’s capable of giving you. You seek comfort in his stats when he can’t win big games with his .477 winning percentage when either tied on down in the 4th quarter. He needs more weapons, you say. But he threw 48 TD’s last year. He’s never had a number one WR, another excuse. Yet Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, and Davante Adams are as good or better than any WR drafted in the first round. The defense collapses. But the defense held the Bucs to a FG in the 4th quarter of NFCC game. And the excuses go on and on. Now, I’ve conceded it hasn’t always been his fault but he has to take responsibility for the times that it has. How do I know he won’t win a championship this year? Two reasons. First, he has to play which is doubtful. He’s far more interested in getting the Jeopardy gig than trying to win a championship. Second, he’s not winning based on his playoff record the past decade which is now below .500. Now, could Rodgers show up to camp, play lights out, Eric Stokes be the next Sam Shields, and Amari Rodgers be the next Randall Cobb? It’s possible but highly unlikely. What I can say is Aaron Rodgers has as much of a chance to beat Patrick Mahomes in Denver as Brett Favre did in beating Tom Brady when playing for the Jets. It’s not happening. And if Favre was too old when he left the Packers to win a Championship, your excuse. Then spending 45 million a season for Rodgers when he’s 41 is a monumental waste of cap space regardless of his MVP award at 38.

            Brett Favre is now 10 yrs removed from his playing days and is in the Hall of Fame. He’s remembered for two things other than his dick pics. Throwing the most interceptions in NFL history and starting all those games in a row. I’m sure you know the exact number. I couldn’t careless. Ten years from now Aaron Rodgers will be in the Hall of Fame and remembered for two things. Throwing the least interceptions in NFL history and for having a career QB rating greater than 100. A stat that wasn’t even in existence when I was a kid. Neither Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers will be in the conversation as the GOAT because they couldn’t win multiple championships. That’s reality.

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          16. Cheese June 8, 2021

            Let me repeat myself, when did I say I was all about stats? I just said I would rather the Packers win a Super Bowl than have Rodgers win another MVP. You keep stating that everyone here uses Rodgers stats as an excuse, yet you’re the one who keeps bringing up his stats.
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            Yeah, Jordy, Jennings and Davante are great receivers. If you haven’t noticed, Jordy and Jennings haven’t played here in many years and the front office hasn’t replenished the rest of the WR core with someone worth a shit since 2014. Nothing but random UDFA’s and practice squad hero’s trying to make a name for themselves aside from Gutes 3-pack of late round project receivers.
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            Wow, the defense held the Bucs to a FG in the 4th quarter. Kevin King will be happy to hear that the first three quarters don’t count towards the final score. Oh wait…
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            “Now, I’ve conceded it hasn’t always been his fault but he has to take responsibility for the times that it has.”
            No you haven’t. Your whole schtick has been has been complaining about Rodgers’ stats, stats, stats, and how he will only be remembered at the end of his career because of his stats!
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            Anyone who uses Jeopardy as a serious argument against Rodgers needs to be tarred and feathered. If you think that Jeopardy going to legitimately replace his NFL career you’re just as blind as you’ve already proven yourself to be.
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            When did I ever say Brett Favre was too old to win a championship? Oh that’s right, NEVER.
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            Right, Brett Favre will ONLY be remembered for his dick pics, interception record, and his consecutive starts record. That’s not biased one bit. It’s not like Favre won’t be remembered for Super Bowl XXXI, winning three consecutive MVP’s (something that’s never been duplicated), playing lights out against the Raiders after his dad passed away, or a handful of other accomplishments.
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            According to you, Rodgers will ONLY be remembered for his lack of interceptions (because ball security is for losers) and his QBR, or in other words… STATS! Rodgers however, will not be remembered for winning Super Bowl XLV, also winning three MVP’s, his extremely precise back shoulder throws when he had guys like Jordy and Cook that could catch them, carrying this team on his back for years, and pulling hailmary’s out his ass at will.
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            OoOoOoO, there’s that G word again that people love using. Arguing about who’s the GOAT is subjective and futile. It all depends on how people define it so they can gloat about their favorite athlete or put down someone they don’t care for. Sure, Brady is the most decorated and has the most rings. Does that means he’s the best ever? Not necessarily. Brady has said himself that there are things Rodgers can do that he can’t himself. Does that mean Rodgers is the “GOAT” because Brady said it? No, it doesn’t. Roethlisberger has two rings, one of which he had zero TD’s and two interceptions in the SB. Does that mean he’s better than Rodgers? No it doesn’t. Same thing with Peyton Manning, the Denver defense won him a second championship.
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            In a hypothetical fairytale, if Rodgers’ defense won him a second championship would you cry about his stats in that game and claim that he didn’t earn that ring? Don’t answer that. Apparently I’m the biggest idiot on this site because I’m the only one still replying to you. Enjoy your Blake Bortles jersey. I’m sure you’ll be overly excited about his lack of stats.

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          17. Tom M June 9, 2021

            Ok, maybe it was MMSUCKS that said Favre was too old. I get you guys confused after awhile. Your all Rodgers apologists and you all blame Brian Gutekunst. Yes, Jordy and Jennings haven’t played for awhile. And Rodgers still threw 48 TD’s last year, has everyone back, plus Delvin Funchess and Amari Rodgers. That can’t be an excuse. The HOF is full of QB’s that have all kinds of stats. Rodgers one day will be one of them. He however will never be in conversation for the GOAT. Rodgers himself brought up the GOAT conversation on the Pat McAfee podcast. That takes multiple SB wins to even be considered. I say he’ll never win another SB. You and Brian Gutekunst thinks he can. One thing we can all agree, he isn’t winning anything staying at home playing grab ass with Shailene Woodley.

            Brian Gutekunst wanted to sign Kyle Fuller who would have been an upgrade over Kevin King. But he got out bid by Denver because we were up against the cap. Jaire Alexander, Kyle Fuller, and Eric Stokes would have made a formidable secondary. Multiple agents had said the Packers wanted to make offers for their players but were trying to restructure Rodgers contract without actually saying it was Rodgers. Rodgers refused because he was trying to squeeze a contract extension because of his MVP award. He’s already under contract for the next 3 yrs until he’s 40. You think that’s a good financial decision to give him whatever he wants. I do not. Regardless, it’s shows you he’s more interested in money than trying to win a championship. Completely the opposite of the way Tom Brady operates. Works on team friendly deals so his team can sign players.

            Aaron Rodgers gets his feelings hurt and holds grudges that would make a 12 year old girl blush. He’s got his vagina hurt over his parents, his brothers, his former teammates, and his beards. Is anyone really surprised he’s ended up feuding with management? You can hero worship him. I’ll pass.

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          18. Kato June 8, 2021

            Just to correct you Cheese, Murphy didn’t say “Rodgers is dividing the fanbase” like some published headlines said. He said the situation is. Those are two very different things. If he said the former, it certainly sounds like he is blaming Rodgers for the situation. When he says the situation is, well it just means what it means. He isn’t blaming anyone in particular with that statement

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          19. Cheese June 8, 2021

            I’m not buying that Kato. I too, thought about the difference between the two sentences just to be sure before posting and it doesn’t matter whether he uses the word situation or not. Like PF4L said below, Murphy implied no responsibility on the team. Then to say “the less said by both sides, the better?” Why even say anything at all? Hearing something like this after Murphy has told Rodgers to “not be the problem” and someone in the front office telling him to shut up and play?
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            There are other ways it could have been worded. Is it possible that Murphy just sucks at communicating? Absolutely. I can’t say for certain, but it sure sounds like shade to me.

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          20. Tom M June 6, 2021

            Management isn’t saying they’ll never get rid of him. They are saying they’re not trading him. There’s a difference. What was actually said was Aaron’s our guy for the “foreseeable future.” Meaning this year and possibly next depending on how this season went. That’s not good enough for your girlfriend. He wants to play until he’s 43 like Brady. Gutekunst is saying your gonna have to win a SB for that kind of security. MVP awards don’t cut it. Thus the Aaron Rodgers bruised vagina. He feels he doesn’t have to earn anything because he’s Aaron Rodgers. We went thru the same shit with Brett Favre.

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          21. PF4L June 6, 2021

            Rodgers didn’t earn anything Tommy?…48 TD’s…6 picks…70% completion percentage…2nd highest passer rating in NFL history. Second only, to his own record.
            PLAY BETTER RODGERS!….EARN SOMETHING!!
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            I’d agree with you Tommy, that Rodgers needs to play better for the Packers to win a Super Bowl.
            But i can’t dumb down far enough to come to that same conclusion.
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            Gutenkunst is saying Rodgers has to win a SB for that kind of security?
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            And what is Gutes job?….giving Rodgers the pieces to win a SB?
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            Like…..using the 12th pick on a bench player?
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            Like, trading up for a 1st round QB to sit for years?

            Like only drafting 3 bona fide starters in 4 drafts?
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            You Tommy…are a special kind of stupid.
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            Some vegetable head posted that a successful draft is batting .300
            Gutes batting about .083
            Maybe he should learn from Tebow and ditch his dream.

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          22. Tom M June 7, 2021

            Just quote more stats, it’s what you girls do. But when the rubber meets the road we know everyone’s favorite sweetheart wilts. He had the games best WR, a top 3 RB, and a defense that only gave up a FG in the 4th quarter of the NFCC game. Brian Gutekunst can’t suit up an play for him. He’s got to get it done. I’ll let you fanboys make excuses for him.

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          23. PF4L June 7, 2021

            I’m quoting….reality.
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            That’s where you seem to go off the rails.

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          24. PF4L June 8, 2021

            Tom M June 6, 2021
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            Look Cheese, your girlfriend went 4/11/54 yards in the 4th quarter of NFCC game. Who says we don’t need a QB?
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            Stop using stats….Tommy doesn’t like that!!
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            This f…ing guy….i thought killer was easy….lol

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  5. PF4L June 4, 2021

    Getting back to football, sans Rodgers…….
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    Has anyone thought about how the carries are going to be dispersed to the rb’s?
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    I bring this up because the last 2 seasons Jones has carried the rock 437 times (30 games).
    With Jamaal Williams getting 226 carries during that time (28 games).
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    So now Williams is out, and 2nd round pick Quadzilla is going to want his touches.
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    Someone asked Nagler how many touches he could see Dillion getting, he mentioned 15/game.
    That’s 255 a season in a 17 game season.
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    Does anyone see Jones carries getting reduced?
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    Personally, most of Dillon’s stats came against Tenn. but he still had an average of 5.3YPC. Fairly impressive his rookie season albeit limited carries.
    But i’m fairly certain he will have more of an impact than Jamaal Williams, running the ball at least.
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    I understand a lot depends on how Dillon performs but based on a small sample in 2021…..opinions?

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    1. Dean June 4, 2021

      If Jones is healthy, I think he will get the same amount of touches — maybe less running and more check down type passes.
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      With Dillion, if he is effective running the ball (4.5 ypc) I think he will get more rushes than Williams did. What defense would not wear down if Jones/Dillion are running effectively?
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      Looking at the expected starters on the OL and to help them out, I think GB will test out each defense it faces to see if they can stop Jones/Dillion.

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      1. Dean June 4, 2021

        Dillion was on the Covid list 4 or 5(?) weeks last season which keep his touches down and limited his practice time. Coming back from that and then having the good game against TN, showed that when needed he was ready.

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        1. PF4L June 4, 2021

          Yea…if healthy, i have no doubt Dillon gets more touches than Williams, possibly by week 9, or 10.
          I’ve heard Dillon talk the talk, now we have to see if he can walk the walk, i don’t want to see Mike Daniels 2.0
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          As far as Jones, if Dillon is as advertised, i see him losing some touches running the ball.
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          The other thing i want to see is how good Dillon’s pass protection is. Strong pass pro can buy him extra snaps. Might have come in handy against Tampa Bay.
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          Dillon had 46 runs last season in spot duty, i can see this guy being easily north of 200.

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          1. Mick June 5, 2021

            I’m thinking who gets more carries between Jones and Dillon will depend on who is at Q-back, how the offensive line gels, and who the opponent is. I’m confident that LaFleur will have game plans for whatever the situation is; he has proven that, time and again. I think Jones will be the bell cow because of his versatility, but Dillon will probably see more action to help keep overworking Jones. Either way, I really like the tandem of these two. If #12 isn’t around, LaFleur might scale down the passing offense, which would put more pressure on the O-line and effect the running game.

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  6. PF4L June 4, 2021

    I’ve done it!!…problem solved!!
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    The Packers don’t have plans for Rodgers past 2021…that’s why were in this mess.
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    Rodgers wants out….
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    Lets be real, June, July, and August are the worst months to be traded.
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    Tear up the old contract!!
    Sign a 1 year deal, 20 million guaranteed. Rodgers already got his 6.8 million bonus so that’s enough money.
    Give the SB one last shot.
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    Then after the season, everyone knows where they stand, Packers can go their way, Rodgers can go his way…
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    NO DRAMA!!
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    PF4L <—— problem solver

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    1. Tom M June 5, 2021

      That’s just stupid. Why would the Packers cave and give your girlfriend what he wants? The Packers have all the leverage. They own lover boy for the next three years. Under your stupid plan the Packers would receive absolutely no compensation should Gutekunst decide to trade him next off season. That’s just dumb. What Rodgers wants is irrelevant. He’s under contract.

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      1. PF4L June 5, 2021

        Listen Tommy….
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        You repeating about “your girlfriend”, “lover boy”, “pulling one off”…is past old.
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        The above comment about Rodgers/Packers was done in jest you dipshit.
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        JC dude…get a grip.

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      2. Ferris June 7, 2021

        OMG read between the lines dude.

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  7. Mick June 8, 2021

    Here’s an article to read, just to keep the banter going until our editors come up with new material. Check out Peter Kings’ article on Football Morning In America, on the Packers vs Rodgers mess. titled ” Aaron Rodgers, The Green Bay Packers; and the compromise that helps everyone get what they want” (INTERESTING) (if history shows anything, the brass would probably mess this up; on both sides)

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    1. Kato June 8, 2021

      I think that seems like a pretty fair solution. I hope Rodgers does stop this childish temper tantrum. Regardless of the FO transgressions, he looks incredibly childish. Why didn’t he address his issues with them? Like, talking?

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      1. PF4L June 8, 2021

        Who says he hasn’t been?
        The Packers and Rodgers and agent, have been discussing this situation for 5 months, it’s been reported.
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        Peter Kings solution is somewhat similar to my spoof solution i wrote above.

        Sans the trade aspect.
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        In shocking news…Funchess showed up to camp!!
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        I have NFL live on….
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        They report that Jordan Love is the first QB selected in the first round that didn’t have a start…..since 2011.
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        I guess the myth that 1st round QB’s aren’t expected to start, is a damn lie (Covid or not).
        But then again….how can you start if your the 3rd (cough) stringer and never on a active roster.

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        1. PF4L June 8, 2021

          Fuck…..
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          *you’re
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          Back the Badge!!

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  8. PF4L June 8, 2021

    As far as what Murphy said…..about the Rodgers situation dividing the fanbase.
    IMO….that was a shot at Rodgers.
    Simply because he wasn’t offering any team responsibility.
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    Then….follows it up with…. the less said about the situation, the better….wtf, does he listen to himself?

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    1. cobaltdriver June 8, 2021

      Murphy is SUCH an idiot. I cannot stand even looking at him. The only division I have is who I hate more.,.him orGutekunst

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    2. Mick June 9, 2021

      First of all, a few comments on the “divided fan base” quote. When this showdown started, we heard that over 90% of the fans/ public were in favor of the organization on this issue. Now, we’re hearing from MM saying that this issue is dividing the fan base. They were reporting that they got their info from misc. polls taken; and emails to MM Really? What polls, and where and when was it taken? And by whom? If that info is accurate, I wouldn’t say 10% of the poll backing Rodgers would be considered “dividing the fan base”! Both Rodgers and the Packers are to blame for this shit show to keep festering. With MM going public with the divided fan base comment, it proves what everyone knows about the communication problems within this organization. It also shows who’s feeling the most heat. MM and BG are recognizing that they’ve made mistakes and are covering their ass through the media. Secondly, #12 has to come clean and speak what he REALLY WANTS, and the sooner the better. He’s on record stating he loves his teammates, coaches, fans, community, and the game of football. Well, if September comes around and there is no Rodgers, all his comments about team and fans, on the K. Mayne interview, will be moot, and will really tarnish his legacy.

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  9. PF4L June 8, 2021

    My brain doesn’t have an off switch…
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    For what it’s worth….Adams did not take part in team practice, instead, working off the sidelines.
    I think that could be attributed to the fact that Adams won’t risk injury, before he has a new deal done.
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    .02

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    1. Mick June 9, 2021

      I believe you are correct PF4L. Adams stated it was important to be here for mini camps. He stated in his presser that he thought it was important, as a leader, to be here to support his team mates and to show up for work. He knows the offense inside and out, why risk a freak injury in mini camp.

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  10. cobaltdriver June 8, 2021

    I am still waiting for Denver to get nailed with Tampering the way John Clayton goes on and on about it being a done deal. God if they trade him I hope its to the Raiders. And what happens if Bortles or the other guy beats out Love? What if Love is a complete joke? Will any heads roll.or is it just the “packer way”?

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    1. Mick June 9, 2021

      Ya; what the hell is the deal with the tampering charges anyway? Is the NFL looking into this, or are they sitting back to see what enfolds? One thing I do believe, is if this Rodgers vs Packer management snafu doesn’t resolve itself by the time the regular season starts, the NFL will step in.

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      1. PF4L June 9, 2021

        I’m not saying the Bronco’s did or didn’t tamper.
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        But if they couldn’t find tampering charges against the Vikings back in the day, don’t hold your breath.
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        That investigation seemed to go down like this……
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        NFL to Vikings….Did you tamper?
        Vikings…..Nope.
        NFL…Okie dokie
        NFL to Packers…During our investigation, we found no tampering. Nothing to see here.

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    2. Savage57 June 9, 2021

      The lack of any chatter about tampering coming out of Green Bay either refutes its existence, or is being shelved until such time it’s material. It may be overcome by events, or it may remain a chit to be called in later.

      As to the QB competition, if it does develop? Let the best man win. It’s not as if there’s never been a team in NFL history that ever pissed away a 1st on a QB who’s offering his insights as a talking head or hawking commercial real estate three years down the line.

      And no one’s head is going to roll because they made a mistake with a pick. The value of Love’s selection was already partially paid for with the chip it brought along for the ride which found a home on Rodgers shoulder resulting in another almost Super Bowl. The remaining cost? You win some, you lose some. His total contact was about equal to Nick PIRry’s dead money.

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      1. PF4L June 9, 2021

        Assuming Rodgers isn’t there…short or long term.
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        I agree with Savage…the starters position should be up for grabs, regardless of money, or draft selection.
        Remember…the Seahawks started Wilson, over Flynn, who was guaranteed 10 million.
        Choose talent….over everything.
        If you truly make moves based on the best interest of the team, there is no other way.
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        GM’s have been fired over bad #1 QB picks. But it’s usually if the QB was a top 5 pick or so.
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        IMO…….This is a situation where Gute could very well lose his job if Love doesn’t pan out.
        1) Because the whole situation was mismanaged
        2) Because he neglected giving the team immediate help being so close to the SB, instead using resources eyed for the future.
        As i said after Love was drafted….Gute put his career in the Jordan Love basket.
        3) Simply because of the dynamics, it’s bigger than just drafting a 1st round QB and that player being a bust. It’s much larger than that.
        At the time that Love was picked, everyone’s jaw dropped saying…wtf? (right or wrong).
        Now….with all the Rodgers drama, that keeps the spotlight on Gute over this 1st round pick.
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        Gute will be judged because of all the attention and dynamics involved.
        If Love succeeds as a starting QB, Gute will reap the benefits.
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        But make no mistake, if Love flops out, Gute will be driven out of Green Bay….harshly.
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        Note: Love will make 12 mill….guaranteed no matter what.

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    3. Stiggy June 9, 2021

      The packers front office absolutely disrespected Rodgers and hurt the teams super bowl window in the process. They bet on Rodgers regressing and he stuck it to them. Rodgers has the right to be pissed and I fully understand why he’s likely never playing for the packers again.

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      That being said…be careful what you wish for aaron…especially if they send him to the raiders for some type of package revolving around Derek carr…which would imo be the best package for the packers. I personally think carr could thrive in the packers offense and give them more time to evaluate what they have with love.

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      There is the possibility Gruden and Rodgers could be a match made in heaven….but a betting man would think there isn’t enough space in the room for those 2 heads and I’m not sure Rodgers could handle his coach being abrasive and direct with him…the way gruden is with his players. Gruden is the star of the show in Vegas…Aaron Rodgers or not and he would likely be losing his speed demon wideout or all world tight end in any trade that brought him to vegas.

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      Rodgers has a media that treats him with kid gloves…coaches and front office that grovel before him…and a fan base that largely he can do no wrong with. That is unique…unless he’s delivering super bowl wins in a large market. Rodgers had an amazing year last year but he absolutely would be getting destroyed in nearly any other media market for his 4th quarter performance in the nccg. Whether that’s fair or not doesn’t matter…large markets embody the “what have you done for me lately” messaging and the last thing he did for them was not deliver off of 3 ints in the 2nd half.

      *****

      The packers organization and media market has unique characteristics and other locations can be met with harsh large market media…fan indifference and outright hostility….not to mention the inevitability of facing Mahommes twice a year and being the second fiddle qb in the division.

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      Rodgers has the right to be pissed…but the reality is….the grass isn’t always greener.

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      1. PF4L June 9, 2021

        Welcome back Stigg….
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        Excellent points…the grass isn’t always greener.
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        As i’ve stated, this is the wrong time of the year to get traded to another team, especially if you have a SB as a goal for your new team. so many things have to be right, or get right…in a hurry.
        Brady fell into that, as did Manning.
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        The only thing i’d disagree with Stigg, is i don’t believe the front office grovels before Rodgers.
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        As a Packer fan…..i don’t have a clue why the Packers wouldn’t trade him for all the players and draft picks they could receive (if true).
        As much of a Rodgers fan that i am, if i’m the Packers, i’ll take two #1’s and maybe a two, a blue chip player, and relieve myself of the cap nightmare of 2022.
        If i’m the Packers GM…i do that trade in a second.
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        1. Stiggy June 9, 2021

          They are groveling now lol.
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          And yeah good to have some stuff to talk about again on here. I’ve been focusing on the bucks and well…that was going pretty nice until they were exposed as frauds again.

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          1. PF4L June 9, 2021

            Middleton did ok against the heat, but becomes a liability against good teams in the playoffs.
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            He goes dead cold, has for a few years.
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            He’s gone 13 for 43 (30%) from the field against the Nets, 3 of 13 from downtown.
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            But they kept him to make Giannis happy.
            I’m not sure how happy Giannis is right now.

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        2. Mick June 9, 2021

          “The grass isn’t always greener”;;;;;;; great point. With Rodgers age, moving to a new team, coaches and system doesn’t mean it’s gonna be better this year, or any year down the road. LaFleur trusts Rodgers with changing plays at the line of scrimmage, where as his new coach/ OC might not be so free with that idea. How would Rodgers react to that? Would Gruden accept that with his alpha male personality? Would Rodgers be impatient with his new receivers? GB management has drawn a line in the sand—– we’re not trading Aaron! They are puffing their chest out with the iron fist—— he either plays for us,,,,,, or retires. Yet, though Rodgers hasn’t showed up for mini camps; they won’t fine him in fear of throwing gas on this dumpster fire. So, the drama continues! Many talking heads, ex-players, ex-GMs’ have commented on Rodgers’ best chance at another championship is in Green Bay. If Rodgers thinks he can uproot, abandon his team mates—– which he says he loves, and is familiar with; and go to a new system and expect instant results; he’s in dreamland. The longer this fiasco goes on, the more it rips apart the team, and that is NEVER a good thing. I like PF4Ls’ trade idea listed above: (if it comes to that). However, it would be more intriguing next march, and might be a smart move then. It’s too late for this 2021 season; If Rodgers accepted that idea, he would put his best foot forward ensuring he impresses his new organization. That way, Rodgers gets his way, and the Packers benefit with another year of steady Q-back play, and cap relief along with multiple draft picks/ players. Which I thought Peter Kings article makes sense.

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          1. Kato June 9, 2021

            Any team that trades for Rodgers SHOULD know these things and be willing to give Rodgers some latitude. I mean, remember when MLF first got here and there was all the fiasco about audibles? That’s just me though. I mean, they would be smart to put that power in Rodgers hands. Even while he can regress physically, he still is pretty cerebral.

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  11. PF4L June 9, 2021

    During the first day of minicamp….4 players were absent due to Covid protocol. The Smith Brothers, Jenkins, and Lowery.
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    I may be wrong, but it seems to me, that is more people at one time than last season, at one time..
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    Grown men, afraid to get vaccinated?
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    In general (not just these players).
    It’s amazing…that simple, shallow minded people, are that incapable of looking at the big picture for the good of society.

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    1. Howard June 9, 2021

      Sure tell us about it!! My brother in law received the shot about a month and a half ago. A perfectly healthy individual. Immediately became sick, couldn’t drive home. Ended up in ICU. Is now out and has to have oxygen tank with him . He will not be the same energetic person he was before the shot, and may not survive much longer from the effects of the shot. I say let people do what they want. If you taking the shot for the good of society, your deceived. Fuck are you a medical doctor now?

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      1. Savage57 June 9, 2021

        This is concerning because I’ve seen this same outcome reported as a result of getting the vaccine posted by a lot of other people on other websites. They need to figure out why it’s always the brother-in-law who gets sick.

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      2. PF4L June 9, 2021

        Sorry to hear about your brother in law.
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        No, i’m not a Doctor, but i’m smart enough to go by the medical information that is available to all of us.
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        There have been over 304 million people vaccinated in this Country thus far. 140 million who are fully vaccinated.
        42,8% of the U. S. population is fully vaccinated
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        I watch the news, spend more than my share of time on the internet.
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        I haven’t heard of one person dying from being vaccinated, or sent into ICU.
        That’s not to say it didn’t happen, i just haven’t seen it.
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        Published: April 9, 2021
        Emily Smith, ScD MPH
        Over 167 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered in the U.S. through April 5, 2021. There are no cases where a COVID-19 vaccine caused a person to die.
        https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/
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        No vaccine is 100%. But a vaccine success rate of 90-95% is outstanding.
        I tried to find how many people got hospitalized (because) of the infection and found none.
        Again…not saying it didn’t happen
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        I don’t know what happened to your brother…if he came down with Covid anyway, or he caught a different strain, maybe a blood clotting, like from J & J. other mitigated complications . I don’t know.
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        John Hopkins Medicine….
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        Have there been any COVID-19 vaccine safety concerns?
        Other than the issues concerning the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine noted above, no serious safety concerns have been reported.
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        Is there risk of allergic reaction from COVID-19 vaccine?
        According to the CDC, anyone who has a known severe allergy (e.g., anaphylaxis) to any of the vaccine ingredients should not receive that vaccine.
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        This is why you have to fill out a medical questionnaire before they issue you a vaccination.
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        At the end of the day, i do hope your brother recovers from what is ailing him.
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        There has been 174 million cases of Covid worldwide, 3.75 million of those people have died.
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        So yes….people who are medically eligible to be vaccinated is good for society.
        I think you’d have to be a damn fool to believe otherwise.
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        1. PF4L June 9, 2021

          *vaccination

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          1. Dean June 11, 2021

            Howard I pray your brother-in-law fully recovers.
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            There is data from the CDC that is concerning for young men and heart inflammation after vaccination. Football players are young men — I would not judge them and say stuff like: “Grown men, afraid to get vaccinated?”.

            From Reuters – “A higher-than-expected number of young men have experienced heart inflammation after their second dose of the mRNA COVID-19 shots from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, according to data from two vaccine safety monitoring systems, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said on Thursday.”

            […] “We clearly have an imbalance there,” Dr. Tom Shimabukuro, deputy director of the CDC’s Immunization Safety Office, said in a presentation to an advisory committee to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration meeting on Thursday. The overwhelming majority of the cases have occurred within a week of vaccination, Shimabukuro said.”

            https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc-heart-inflammation-cases-ages-16-24-higher-than-expected-after-mrna-covid-19-2021-06-10/

            From CDC report page 17-18 Under title “Preliminary myocarditis/pericarditis reports to VAERS following dose 2 mRNA vaccination, Exp. vs. Obs. (data thru May 31, 2021)”

            https://www.fda.gov/media/150054/download

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          2. PF4L June 13, 2021

            Sounds like you really took some time to research this subject, which i can respect, but…..
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            Any information on the likelihood of heart inflammation?
            1 in 50?….1 in 500?…1 in 100,000?…1 in 5,000,000?
            That would seem pertinent and included in the CDC reports.
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            Also, in those cases, what were the medical conclusions of this illness…hospitalization? Medical remedy?
            Fatalities?
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            Stating heart inflammation is a side effect is good information.
            But it begs further information…doesn’t it?

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      3. Kato June 9, 2021

        Look, I haven’t heard much about serious side effects of the vaccine. Actually, really at all other than a few token examples. My.grandma got the vaccine back in March, and just died a couple weeks ago. The vaccine isn’t what killed her. Like PF4L, I am not accusing you of anything. But perhaps getting the vaccine, and then these medical issues are a coincidence? Or, perhaps, he has bad luck and happened to have the 1/800,000 chance of adverse effects. Idk. This vaccine has been so goddamn politicized, and it has in large part been conservatives spreading false information about it.
        …..
        Regardless, I hope he gets better

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        1. Dean June 12, 2021

          I tried to post a link to an article from reuters and a link to the CDC site supporting the concerns in the reuters article — but the post is being moderated. Kato, that may explain why you will not see negative info on the vaccine…. free speech does not apply to covid related issues I suppose…

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          1. Kato June 13, 2021

            Um, we do. The issues with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine with blood clots was WIDELY reported. The possibility of heart inflammation in young men with the Pfizer vaccine is being widely reported. Nothing is being hidden here despite your conceptions. Again, this is nothing different than any other vaccine/medicine that there is out there. There are always chances of side effects. It doesn’t prevent people from taking blood thinners, blood pressure meds, and other mess. Nothing is ever perfectly safe as everyone’s body is a unique chemical factory. The only people pushing nonsense are Trump worshipers that refuse to believe that he lost and the virus was a hoax that was used to oust him from office, period.

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          2. PF4L June 13, 2021

            Plus…reporting something as a link to a side effect and proving it’s related or the cause, are two different things.

            J & J was approved, did they change their vaccine ingredients to get approved?
            Was it proven there was a link?
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            Disclaimer (from fda.gov/media download
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             The findings and conclusions in this report are those of the authors
            and do not necessarily represent the official position of the Centers
            for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) or the U.S. Food and Drug
            Administration (FDA)
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            Bottom line…..
            Kato is right
            Almost every drug you take has side effects for certain people, it’s not a perfect world.
            Alcohol kills people on a daily basis in a multitude of ways, i don’t see one person out protesting alcohol.
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            The Covid vaccine saves lives, reduces illness and hospitalizations.
            It’s made it possible to start opening up the world again.
            Go unmasked to most places.
            Gives tens of millions of people the peace of mind that they are protected.
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            So if the question still is….is it good for society?
            Then i can’t help you, i don’t work miracles.

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  12. PF4L June 9, 2021

    Talkin bout Love……
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    “The man literally took no snaps in practice last year, because Aaron took like 99.9% of them” – Nagler
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    AHH NO…he didn’t take (many) snaps because he was the 3rd string QB.
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    I kind of like Nagler, but he tends to sometimes make up his own version of reality on the fly.

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    1. Mick June 9, 2021

      You noticed that too? LOL

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  13. PF4L June 9, 2021

    MarkinMadison
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    June 09, 2021 at 10:59 am
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    New QB + new center = some rough moments.
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    This guy…..has it going on upstairs.
    So lets say you have Love at QB and you have Josh Meyers starting at center.
    Two rookies is a bad recipe.
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    I’d imagine you’d have others like Jenkins making protection calls.
    Love and Meyers…is light years away from Rodgers/Linsley.
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    That isn’t a shot, it’s a real problem and maybe one reason why Meyers will be held back from starting for awhile.
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    Sure, i could be wrong…absolutely. Just like back in 2014.

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  14. Cheese June 9, 2021

    “I’ve got his back through everything so he knows that, at the end of the day, if there’s ever a wonder if he’s lost a teammate or something because of all that’s come out, he knows where I stand. I’ll stand on the f*****g mountain and scream on the mountaintop that I’ve got his back.” -Davante Adams on Rodgers.
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    Gee, Davante sure sounds like a hero worshipping fanboy who only cares about stats. Maybe Tom M can set him straight.

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  15. PF4L June 9, 2021

    I just watched the Billy Turner presser.
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    The more i listen to him, the more i like the dude.
    He’s smart, intellectual, has a funny dry sense of humor i got a glimpse of last season.
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    Yes, he’s been sub standard at times his first year, he’s been above average other times.
    I still think he was over paid. But that’s not what this is about.
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    I just like the dude.

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  16. PF4L June 9, 2021

    Devin Funchess..”I’m here to win”
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    Well…..First you need to make the roster son.
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    And seriously dude…. what’s with the tongue hanging out :32 – :39?

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  17. stiggy June 10, 2021

    James Jones….probably the most credible packers reporter…said Rodgers beef isn’t with gutenkust…which leaves us to the ginger gap tooth and his trusted number cruncher russ.

    Jones made it seem like 12 is going to be returning to gb.

    Jones is a Rodgers insider…so that’s promising.

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  18. Mick June 10, 2021

    Day 2 of mini camps, reports have it that Love looked a lot more comfortable out there and had some really nice deep throws. He also faced the media for the 1st time; (I believe), looked rather uncomfortable, but handled himself pretty well. Not a star does one become after one practice, but; at least he is growing confidence in himself and team mates. This is a ray of light in the good news dep’t; considering the stench that has surrounded 1265 since January.

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  19. PF4L June 10, 2021

    As Mick alluded…Jordan Love apparently looked good in shorts, against no real defense.
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    If all the accolades are true, i can see Jordan Love winning 8-10 Super Bowls.
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    Suck it Tom Brady!

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  20. PF4L June 10, 2021

    I think this article has served it’s purpose, but has run it’s course.
    Think: Reload the gun.
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    Random:
    ” ……….I wholly agree that we are approaching “the precipice” of this drama. Mark down June 8 on your calendar.” – Anonymous
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    Well….if this is the precipice, then the apocalypse is next.
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    It seems more likely to me, that this is about a guy who nobody expected to come to mini camp on June 8th.
    Plus the fact, it’s very likely that the team will excuse Rodgers absence.
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    Precipice?…..i think not.
    Anticipated pot hole…..definitely.

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  21. Mick June 10, 2021

    Zach Kruse, on Packers Wire is reporting that TE J. Sternberger has been suspended for 2 games to start the 2021 season for violation of the leagues’ substance abuse policy.—— no other details given in that article!

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    1. PF4L June 10, 2021

      He said he took anti depressants and drank, and fell asleep in his car.
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      What’s the substance abuse? The anti depressants, or the alcohol?
      DUI?
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      I’ll wait for the real story of what happened.

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      1. Mitch Anthony June 10, 2021

        The depression and anxiety created by pondering what you’ll do after your short NFL career ends soon leads to a little poly impairment. Wanted the guy to succeed but seems like the writing is on the wall, he’s a bust. A concussion magnet being surpassed by others on the roster at TE.

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  22. Cheese June 10, 2021

    I just watched Andrew Brandt on the Pat McAfee show. I remember reading that it was rumored that Brandt was in the running to be the Packers president instead of Mark Murphy. Ted Thompson wanted a president that wasn’t going to hover over him so Murphy got the job allegedly. Well Ted, you got more than you asked for.
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    OMFG, Brandt was well spoken and definitely knew his shit. A stark contrast from Alfred E Neuman. Oh, what could have been….
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    Somewhat good news, I found out today that the Packers have a mandatory retirement age of 70. That means Murphy has four more years, at most. Unfortunately, four years isn’t quick enough.

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    1. PF4L June 10, 2021

      I wrote about that, idk…2,3 weeks ago.
      Ted didn’t want someone else in the building watching over him and acting like his boss.
      From what i could gleam, that was Brandt’s undoing.
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      It’s amazing…the amount of people in upper management at the Packers over the years who have enjoyed free reign at their job with little or no accountability whatsoever.
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      We have a President who currently enjoys the same.
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      This is what i meant when i have written……
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      Having a publicly owned team can be a blessing, but it also can be a curse.

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      1. PF4L June 11, 2021

        Cheese….
        The other interesting thing about that President hire, was the fact that Murphy, had absolutely no NFL front office experience whatsoever, whereas Brandt was there years and seemingly well regarded.
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        Interesting note: Before either Murphy or Brandt were considered, they promoted John Jones from within to succeed Harlan. Announcing him the new President/CEO, but days after the hire had a change of heart.
        The Company line given was because of health concerns about Jones, but i believe there was a back story to that.
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        It seemed odd…..what didn’t they know about Jones (health condition) days ago, when they promoted him?

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        1. Cheese June 11, 2021

          Must be nice that Ted got to choose his own boss. I mean, God forbid someone acts like his boss… Sounds like they picked Ted’s perfect candidate in Murphy.
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          Murphy not having any prior NFL front office experience definitely shows. How he got the job is beyond me.
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          I’m aware of the John Jones hire and that his health wasn’t great. I found a quick article where Demovsky explains the situation-
          https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2007/7/26/0186/32783
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          “People who worked for him didn’t trust him, didn’t get along well with him and didn’t respect him. Jones took credit for good work done by others and deflected blame when things didn’t go well.” Hmm, sounds like someone else we know.

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          1. PF4L June 11, 2021

            Yea…i’m fairly certain that’s where i got that info, Demovsky’s article some time ago.
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            But yea, there is a back story.
            But the media/TV version is because of his health
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            Much like…..Ted “stepping down” and being “reassigned” was a “mutual agreement”.
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            Yea, and i got a few bridges for sale.
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            As i’ve said…if someone in the know would write a tell all book about the 80’s to present Green Bay Packers, there wouldn’t be a price i wouldn’t pay to buy it.

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  23. Mick June 11, 2021

    It’s also why we’ve uttered before———– “The disease is still in the building”

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  24. PF4L June 12, 2021

    I read some Packer articles elsewhere because……………….
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    Here’s a article title after Day 1 of mini camp….
    “Don’t Read Too Much Into Jordan Love’s Performance at OTAs”
    Apparently because he didn’t have a very good first day.
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    At the same website, here’s another article after day 3 titled…..
    “Jordan Love Is Ready”
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    Here are some author quotes from that article…….
    “….Love’s poise is absolutely blowing me away.”
    “Here’s a guy that barely saw the field last year and now he has graduated into being the mouthpiece of an organization. ”
    “Usually a graduation happens after lengthy work and preparation. However, this happened at a moment’s notice. And Love has made the Dean’s List for crisis communication”
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    Dean’s list for crisis communication?….does this mean Love will handle the media work regarding Rodgers.
    (smh)
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    Bad day his first day.
    Some good things his 2nd day
    3rd day he fumbled, threw a pick 6 to Eric Stokes, but threw 2 TD passes in red zone drills.
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    JORDAN LOVE IS READY :)
    Ready for what?…Starting QB, or…..Public relations Packer spokesperson?
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    Stay tuned for……
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    “Against All Odds, Packers Find Their 3rd Straight HOF QB”
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  25. PF4L June 12, 2021

    From down the hall…..
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    June 12, 2021 at 07:17 am
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    “It’s too far out to proclaim Love is ready to play. Put the pads on and then see what he can do. I must say the pick make Gutsey look smarter for anticipating Rodgers being gone.”
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    Anticipating?
    So before the draft GUTSEY anticipated Rodgers to be MVP and he anticipated he’d hold out, so he drafted a QB #1? Smart..
    Holy shit Batman
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    Credit Savage57, 13TimeChamps, Since’ 61….. the few that make any sense over there.

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  26. Mick June 12, 2021

    Here are a few examples of politics; (which I hate), and opinions running rampant. Quotes I read on other sites concerning Rodgers vs Packer brass. “If Love is a bust, Murphy will look like the worst executive in the league” — ” I see why 2 of the most talented Q-backs in the history of the league only have one ring each; because management has their collective heads up their collective a++++es” — “This is all about Murphy saving face. Whether or not Rodgers shows up, Murphy wins! If Rodgers shows up, Murphy wins because he played the cards right. If Rodgers doesn’t show up, the fans will be mad at him, thus, Murphy wins.” Murphy could be trying to bait Rodgers into not showing up for training camp; or not showing up at all this fall. “That would allow the Packers to pick up 30 million in cash and cap space. That would allow them to further develop Love. That would allow them to trade Rodgers next spring. That would allow them to squat on Rodgers indefinitely, if they want. They’d get back another 11.5 million next year. There’s a chance that’s exactly what Murphy wants. If Rodgers never plays again, Murphy never looks bad. And if Love never turns out to be a franchise Q-back; well, that wasn’t Murphys’ call; was it?” We’re all sick of this crap, just thought I would share some of this stuff to keep banter going until our editors return from break.

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    1. PF4L June 12, 2021

      I don’t think Murphy looks good at all. The day Murphy is smart enough to bait Rodgers is the same day Murphy wins Executive of the Year for how he has handled the Rodgers issue.
      But the less said the better.
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      Murphy looks bad on several levels. I could write a mini novel on it. Maybe even write an article on it, but i’m not sure how many readers are left.
      I could still do it, but i want, ….(i demand) a TotalPackers T-shirt, cash, or a buy one get one coupon for a free whopper.
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      As far as the staff goes, lets cut them some slack. They’ve been hittin pretty hard lately.
      Everyone deserves some time to recharge the batteries.

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  27. Kato June 12, 2021

    Aaron Rodgers is a complicated fella. Jesus christ Mark Murphy is such a clown

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    1. Cheese June 12, 2021

      I just saw that too. Just shut your mouth and go away Murphy. This guy is the worst. FFS….
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      https://sports.yahoo.com/packers-president-mark-murphy-calls-aaron-rodgers-a-complicated-fella-184300765.html

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      1. Kato June 12, 2021

        Yeah, he should take his own advice and just stfu. Like there is no reason to say this. Of course he is complicated. People are complicated in general. Way to say nothing while saying something that can easily be taken the wrong way

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        1. PF4L June 12, 2021

          I don’t hate anyone, but i can’t stand this fuck. All i have to do is see Murphy’s face, and i just want to choke him out.
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          Leave Thompson’s name out of this. that is so damn weak. If you have something to say, man up and say it. Don’t speak through the dead.
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          I don’t think Rodgers is that complicated. what has he wanted…..?
          1) To be the best at what he does.
          2) To win Championships
          3) His problems arise when…..
          A) He feels (is) disrespected
          B) When he feels the team doesn’t share his goals.
          Whether that entailed being unhappy with McCarthy’s stale offense.
          When the team loses focus and doesn’t use resources to reach goals.
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          As bad as Ted was in his later years, he always tried his best.
          It wasn’t his fault he was GM too long.
          Nobody wants to lose their job
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          The difference between Thompson and Murphy is….
          Thompson is known for making a difference and was integral and focused in building a Super Bowl winning team.
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          Murphy is known for building up a business district around Lambeau, complete with a ice rink, a slide, and a hot chocolate stand.
          Murphy is also known for being clueless how the Packer team was run by everyone under him for a decade. Not to mention, being a train wreck team representative in front of the media.
          I won’t even get into the power play he unleashed in 2018.
          Making himself directly responsible in every facet of NFL football operations, where he has no past experience whatsoever.
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          The Rodgers issue isn’t complicated.
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          Mark Murphy is directly responsible.
          Because…in 2018 he made himself…directly responsible.
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          Players play, managers manage.
          Rodgers held up his end of the bargain.

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  28. PF4L June 13, 2021

    Because, it’s sometimes fun to look back.
    Besides…..yawn.
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    Disposableh3ro December 16, 2018
    2 picks both came off of J. Graham’s hands…
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    PF4L December 16, 2018
    In Grahams defense, he was only paid 13.25 million, so he was still a bargain. The same way Nick Perry was a bargain
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    Not one of Gutes shining moments in his first chapter of being the GM. Nor was free agency as a whole.
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    Still Broken.
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    PF4L December 16, 2018
    Now…..with that said….if the Packers want to keep Graham around, they have to cut him a check in March for 5.3 million. Paying him 18.65 million in cash….before he even starts his second season.
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    Warning: You have to get up pretty early to get one by on Russ Ball, NFL Financial Guru.
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    Broken.

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