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Revisiting the Packers’ Drafting of Jordan Love in April of 2020

The Packers did not need to draft a quarterback in 2020. The front office dearly wanted to, however, after they realized there was a chance they could get in a position to draft Utah State’s Jordan Love. They quickly moved up four spots in the lineup, by getting the 26th pick from Miami in exchange for the Pack’s # 30 pick and a fourth round choice.

At the time, here’s what GM Brian Gutekunst had to say:

“I think it’s certainly, this is something that is a long-term decision. I think when you go through kind of the way things went tonight, you run the short term and the long term. The way the board fell, this was the best decision for the Packers. I think obviously Aaron’s been around for a long time, and he knows what we’re playing for right now, and that’s what’s most important right now.”

In other words: Aaron is the present, but Love is the future, of the Packers.

As I recall, when Gutey stunned the sports world by drafting Love, there was an immediate backlash. The media, which sets the course for how most fans respond, not only doubted the wisdom of the Packers selecting a quarterback (as did I), but also reacted by belittling the ability and potential of the player who Gutekunst selected. After the pick was made, a chorus of commentators opined that Love was not round one material. But that doesn’t square with what most analysts were saying in the lead-up to the draft.

In revisiting Gutekunst’s bold and risky choice, I think most commentators downplayed just how talented and promising was/is this young man out of Utah State. Let’s take a look back to the time the 2020 NFL draft was approaching.

A bunch of prognosticators felt Love would be a solid first round selection. The Draft Wire’s Luke Easterling had Love going at #23 to the Patriots. So did Mel Kiper Jr. NBC Sports had Love going to the Colts at pick #25. Collegefootballnews.com projected Love as a first round pick, and the fourth QB to be taken in the 2020 draft. Bleacher Report’s Matt Miller had him going to the Colts at Pick #34. The Sporting News had him going to the Chargers at #37. NFL.com did not have Love being picked in the first round.

Television analyst Todd McShay was all in for Love, picking him to be taken with the sixth overall pick (behind only QBs Burrow and Tagovailoa):

“I think teams would really like to get to know him a little bit better and spend more time with him. . .To me Love is so sudden, he’s got potential, but he’s not ready yet. He needs some time, so he’s got to go to the right place. . .He really, of these four quarterbacks, in my opinion, has the higher upside, even than Justin Herbert, but he’s going to need a little more time and he’s going to need the right supporting cast early in his career to get over the forced mistakes that he made.”

Then there’s Pro Football Focus. Though not high on Love at the time of the 2020 draft, PFF has changed its tune. It now projects that, if named the starter in 2021, Love will pass for 4,149 yards, and throw for 24 TDs and 15 interceptions.

These are better numbers than PFF projects for Justin Fields (chosen tenth overall this spring by the Bears, and on a par with PFFs expectations for top overall 2021 pick Trevor Lawrence. Without any film of Love from an actual NFL game, I can only surmise that PFF feels that Love will benefit greatly from a great supporting cast, and from the offensive strategies of Matt LaFleur and Nathaniel Hackett.

Another advocate for Love are the folks at sbnation.com. They say that Love’s ability to sling the ball is reminiscent of Patrick Mahomes. They point to his size and athleticism, and say that his throwing mechanics have no wasted motion and no long windup. With his strong arm he can easily make deep throws with just a flick of the wrist, and he even has a killer sidearm throw, and he can pass on the run, and he’s got a quick delivery. What he needs to do is improve on his reading of coverages and decision-making – faults that sbnation views as fixable. They conclude that “Love has the non-teachable parts down.”

Sports Illustrated’s Kevin Hanson, who ranked Love as the 28th overall player on his 2020 draft board, says:

“Part of Love’s 2019 regression can be attributed to a coaching change and lack of talent in his supporting cast, but he pressed at times and often made ill-advised throws. The epitome of a high-risk, high-reward prospect, Love has a live arm and plus movement skills to extend and make plays.”

Jordan Love and Blake Bortles

Green Bay Packers quarterback Jordan Love (10) and quarterback Blake Bortles (9) participate in minicamp practice Thursday, June 10, 2021, in Green Bay, Wis.
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At the end of its lengthy critique, sbnation’s James Brady issued these conclusions:

“Verdict: Love is absolutely worth the gamble, but he has a long way to go.

If there was ever a potential franchise quarterback who HAS to have at least a year or two of sitting on the bench, it’s Love. There’s so much to like about his game and the way he approaches it, but he’s simply not ready right now.

No team should be targeting Love as a rookie starter. That isn’t to say he wouldn’t look good occasionally – there’s too much innate talent for him to fail outright. However, there would be more ugly moments, and it would be detrimental to his growth.

He’ll have to be coached up an awful lot, but his ceiling is extremely high. He just needs to land in the right place – a team that believes in its quarterback room and its own process to develop him into a star.”

Going into the 2020 draft, Love was considered to be one of four first-round QB picks. This was borne out at the draft, with LSU’s Joe Burrow going to the Bengals at # 1, Alabama’s Tua Tagovailoa to Miami at # 5, Oregon’s Justin Herbert to the Chargers at # 6, and Love going to the Packers at # 26. The next QB chosen wasn’t until Jalen Hurts went to the Eagles at # 53, and that was it for QBs until the middle of round four.

It will be a few years before we’ll know which of these four is having the most success as a pro. Due to Love’s huge upside, however, few analysts question whether he’ll will become a star pro QB. The more pertinent question is when this will be: in 2021, 2022, or 2023.

Echoing Todd McShay’s and James Brady’s thoughts, I believe that Jordan, in landing in Green Bay, is in the right place – due to its solid roster and gifted coaching staff – to be developed into a star, and take his place as a worthy successor to the Pack’s two previous starting quarterbacks.

Rodgers Saga Update

A couple of indicators suggest that, just as the organization finally tired of Brett Favre’s selfish antics, the current saga is headed for a similar outcome.

First, well after the story of Rodgers’ discontent emerged (on draft day, April 23), and after there had been sufficient time for mending the rift (if that was going to happen), the Packers went out on May 21 and got veteran QB Blake Bortles. The most likely explanation for this is that the team was securing a solid backup for Love should Rodgers not rejoin the team.

A second indication is that, despite the Packers having five quarterbacks on the payroll, the recent 3-day mini-camp amounted to a crash course of learning and training for Jordan Love. Not only did he take almost every snap throughout the camp, but the team seemed to quicken the pace of the practice, so as to get as many snaps as possible for Love within the mini-camp time limitation – I believe that during mini-camp teams are allowed (by the CBA) two daily practices totaling 3 ½ hours on the field per day, though the second practice is limited to walk-through activities only.

In sum, the Green Bay coaching staff appears to be moving at breakneck speed to prepare Jordan Love to take the field against the Saints in New Orleans on September 12 – which is now less than three months away.

Green Bay Packers quarterback Jordan Love (10) hands off the ball to running back Aaron Jones (33) during minicamp practice Wednesday, June 9, 2021, in Green Bay

A Third Reason

There’s also a third reason to believe the torch is about to be passed – this season or next. Looking ahead to next season, the Packers are so much over the 2022 salary cap that drastic measures will have to be taken. I was originally anticipating that at least three of Gutekunst’s free agent signings of 2019 would have to be released after the current season (the Smith brothers and Billy Turner) – and that either Bakhtiari, Adams, or Aaron Jones would have to depart too. Yes, things are that desperate heading into next year.

If Rodgers is dealt away, however, the organization’s looming financial traumas can be mostly resolved in one fell swoop. Rodgers currently has the league’s highest salary cap number: his 2021 cap hit of $37.202M is more than five million more than anyone else and more than $10 million more than the player with the fourth highest cap.

Aaron is due to have an even greater cap number in 2022: $39,852,000. The team’s relieving itself of that obligation is the one way I can think of, other than parting ways with from four to five of its highest-paid players, to restore the team to financial stability.

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Smart drafters don’t select the best available players, they fill a team’s positions of greatest need.

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  1. PF4L June 18, 2021

    That was a very entertaining read.
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    Mel Kiper had Love going to the Colts at 25? Gee…really?
    The Colts traded their first round pick (13) to the 49ers for Deforest Buckner on March 18th.
    Kiper was 5 out of 32 in his mock draft, nuff said.
    Love at 25 by the Colts?….ridiculous.
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    Yes, some people thought Love has a high ceiling. Just as Ryan Leaf had a high ceiling.
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    Jordan Love reminds someone of Patrick Mahomes?..That’s fantastic..(2nd favorite)
    Well… i can spin balls backward on the green on my approach shots.
    Although somewhat impressive to some, not once have i been compared to Tiger Woods.
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    (Favorite)….PFF is a business that grades players, after watching them play.
    PFF projected….. Love would throw for 4,149 yards, 24 TD’s..and 15 picks if he started? (How many fumbles?)
    Did PFF hire some psychic’s to their staff?…C’mon man!
    What was PFF’s projected stats for Justin Herbert before the season? I’m guessing, we won’t be bringing that up.
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    The Packers don’t get graded F’s, or among the worst drafts in the league because they thought you drafted the next Patrick Mahomes.
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    Conclusion…..Yes, you can find people who thought Love was worthy of a first round pick. You can also find more people saying he wasn’t, or that he should have stay in school.
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    I’m not saying Jordan Love has no chance, or he’s a bust, but sometimes, perspective requires a dose of common sense.
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    Gute said…”The way the board fell, this was the best decision for the Packers”
    That’s not the way the NFL world saw it :)
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    Correction: It was a plan to trade up, and a chance you took.
    Only time…can tell us whether it was the best decision.
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    I have no doubt that Gute wants to be proven correct that it was the best decision, his career depends on it.

    1. joefan June 19, 2021

      There’s a lot of debate about how good Jordan Love will or won’t be. None of that matters to me. When the Packers picked Love, I watched some highlights on youtube because I didn’t know anything about him. He looked decent. So who knows. What I care more about is the opportunity cost. Because as soon as Love was picked everyone knew he wasn’t going to play in 2020. So the Packers decided to use their best draft pick on a player who wouldn’t play any snaps. It seems like a waste to me and then I shake my head when I hear others say that Gutekunst did enough to win a Superbowl. I don’t see drafting bench players as superbowl winning moves.

      Next some will probably say like the Packers did that Love was the best on their board. Ok let’s take a look at that. Patrick Queen was drafted next. A lot of people are down on him because of his low PFF grade, but look at his stats.

      Played all 16 games. 106 total tackles. That includes solo and combined. 9 tackles for a loss. 1 interception. 10 quarterback hits. 13 pressures. 3 sacks. 2 forced fumbles. 2 fumble recoveries. 1 touchdown.

      https://www.nflanalysis.net/3-players-the-packers-should-have-drafted-instead-of-jordan-love/

      To me it seems like that’s exactly what the packers super thin linebacker group could’ve used. Kamal Martin played in 10 games. He had 1 sack. 24 total tackles. 3 tackles for a loss. I’m not sure about pressures since it isn’t listed for the site I found this on.

      According to that article, they also could’ve had Chase Claypool. He had over 800 yards and 9 touchdowns, which easily outperformed Lazard and Scantling. Yet I keep hearing having a wide receiver wouldn’t have helped.

      1. Mick June 20, 2021

        I agree Joefan, in fact, I can think of a few more picks that would have possibly helped the Pack sooner than having picked a project Q-back in round one. So, when we are told that a wide receiver wouldn’t have helped——– is bullcrap! Or, here we are 2 drafts later with inside linebacker being so thin. We keep hearing that ILB is not valued highly on this squad. Well, isn’t it any wonder our opponents realize that is a weak spot and that position continues to get terrorized? Better yet, Gute even says in a presser that our ILB position needs upgrading. So what do they do; they get one in the latter rounds———McDuffy! Now that’s what I call addressing a need with yet another warm body. That kind of thinking, and those type of acquisitions is what keeps the Pack from achieving higher goals,,,,,,aka; super bowl.

  2. NobodysBurfect June 18, 2021

    Rob is just shitposting at this point. Sigh, you used to actually be one of the better writers here. Shame.

  3. Robster June 18, 2021

    My premise for the post was that from the moment Jordan was selected by the Pack, the media, and most of Packer Nation for that matter, has treated Rodgers’ likely eventual replacement harshly and negatively. Almost everything you now read about either quarterback is even more heavily biased, depending on one’s take on whether Rodgers’ hostility toward the organization is justified or not. So, I went back to the time just prior to the surprise pick, in hopes of getting unbiased views of Jordan’s ability and potential. I found that he was in the top tier of quarterbacks entering that draft, along with (though trailing) Burrow, Tagovailoa, and Herbert. Though I thought picking a quarterback was crazy (I titled my 4/26/19 post “Is Gutekunst Off His Rocker?”), I didn’t disparage Jordan in any way – he’s been an innocent victim in all of this drama. Few analysts doubted Jordan’s extraordinary physical abilities, then or now, so it becomes a matter of the intangibles. Is he (unlike Favre?) teachable? Does he aspire to becoming the best? Does he exhibit strong character? How strong is his work ethic? Is he a team Player? It looks to me like he also possesses the intangibles needed to become a star in the NFL.

    1. PF4L June 18, 2021

      I disagree to a large extent. I think that the harshness and negativity was bestowed more on Gute and the ” final decision maker”.
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      But i would agree that Love suffers some collateral damage because of his position in this casting.
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      There are similarities to the Favre drama as far as taking sides, but the difference being Rodgers has been supportive of Love from the get go and acknowledge he was the victim in all this.
      It should also be noted that by all accounts, Rodgers welcomed Love into the Packer family, didn’t talk shit, or cold shoulder him.
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      If i’m Jordan Love, and i have aspirations of being a great NFL player, he should be perfectly fine with all that’s happening. Taking 1st team snaps his 2nd season is a dream come true for a QB who is driven and who was slated to not get much practice time.
      Jordan Love should be fortunate and loving life right now, he has a real opportunity to progress into a starting NFL QB….because of the Rodgers drama. He’s the only winner in all this….plus his 12 million guaranteed is nothing to scoff at.
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      It’s for these reasons, i don’t feel sorry for Love, and neither should he, if he’s driven.
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      Either way he is going to get a lot of pre-season snaps…although it isn’t real regular season games, he can still make a loud statement for himself….if he has it in him.
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      At this level, you aren’t guaranteed opportunity, so when you do get it….you have to embrace it.
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      Nobody doubts Love athleticism, or his arm strength, and making the throws. To my knowledge, that hasn’t been challenged but we keep hearing it brought up in defense of himself….that isn’t the issue.
      The issue is always was, can he grasp the mental aspect of the NFL, and it’s a damn fair question.
      Someone years ago said the difference in College ball and the NFL, is 90% mental for a QB, although i’m no expert, i firmly agree with that. We’ve seen that time and time again in the past.

      I do want to say, thanks for responding.
      But this is about Gute, and his Daddy, not Jordan Love.
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  4. Tom M June 18, 2021

    If your scouting staff says that Jordan Love is a potential franchise QB, and the consensus of the evaluators quote in this article say yes, then you absolutely draft him in back end of round one. Regardless if it bruises Aaron Rodgers vagina. As a GM, you’d be negligent not to draft him. He’s as good a prospect as Trey Lance or Justin Fields. And a value pick at 26. The problem here is the girls on this site view this as an emotional decision and not as practical one. A good GM can’t make decisions based on emotion. Aaron Rodgers is under contract until he’s 40. You develop Love in the meantime then make the transition. Giving the 21 yr old QB time to develop. But Aaron Rodgers ego got in the way. So be it. The reason Love dropped in the draft was because he was always going to take time to develop. And as a first round draft pick you want instant gratification. Ideally he could use another year. But everyone’s favorite girlfriend is he’ll bent on forcing the issue. Fair enough. Enjoy retirement Aaron Rodgers…..

    1. PF4L June 18, 2021

      Did the Packers scouting staff have the consensus that Love is a franchise QB?…You know this for fact?
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      And IF the consensus of “selected” evaluators are in favor of drafting Love in the first round, than (in your words) you absolutely draft him?
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      Let’s let the consensus….make our draft pick!! – said no one intelligent.
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      Tell us more about how smart you are :)

      The consensus was that Mandarich was a 10 year fixture at left tackle headed to the HOF. How did that work out?
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      One person is directly responsible for the success or failure of Love as a first round draft pick and spending a 4th round resource to obtain a QB earlier than you had to. (well…maybe two people are responsible).
      A 1st and a 4th round pick is an expensive price to pay, to have a project sitting on the bench for years.
      Especially in light of how close you got to the Super Bowl.
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      Yes Tommy…Aaron Rodgers is under contract until he’s 40, very good
      Now….does that mean the Packers plan was to honor that contract until he’s 40?
      Think about it Tommy.
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      Yes, in an ideal world 1st round picks provide a team with instant gratification.
      In the case of the 12th pick of the 2019 draft. Well…lets just say we have established a pattern of drafting 1st round picks who ride the pine.
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      We’re all hoping the 12th best player available in the 2019 draft can become….an established starter in his 3rd season.
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      It would be amazing… a luxury, if 1st round pick Eric Stokes is a starter his rookie season. We don’t want 3 first round picks sitting on the bench at one time. Two is enough.
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      1. Tom M June 18, 2021

        Let me explain now this works to you. Every team has a scouting department. They write reports, make recommendations, have meetings, set up draft boards. Based on the information they provide, the GM makes the final call come draft day. Most GM’s, not all are former scouts. The buck always stops with the GM. Reread the article, everyone expected the sage and wise PF4L had Jordan Love a first round talent going no later than the top of the 2nd round. In fact Todd McShay had a bet with Mel Kiper saying that Love was a better prospect than Justin Herbert and would be drafted before him. What I actually said was if you think he’s a franchise QB, you draft him because franchise QB’s don’t grow on trees you take them when you can. Just because you don’t like Jordan Love doesn’t mean those that evaluate NFL talent for a living agree with you. Name your sources that said he should be drafted in the 3rd or 4th round.

        Two years ago, Gutekunst drafted Rashan Gary with the 12 pick. We had just signed the Smith boys and OLB wasn’t really a priority. But you can never have too many pass rushers and now Gary along with Savage are set for break out seasons. It’s called draft and develop. It’s what the good teams do. So why wouldn’t you draft and develop a QB? Only the most important position in football. You’d be stupid not to. As far as Rodgers contract. That’s up to him. He’s got to show up to work to earn it.

        1. Cheese June 20, 2021

          “What I actually said was if you think he’s a franchise QB, you draft him because franchise QB’s don’t grow on trees you take them when you can”
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          Except, when your team already has a guaranteed HOF franchise QB still playing for you there is no reason to draft some project QB who “MIGHT” be a franchise player years down the road, who will provide you zero value in the mean time while sitting the bench. Especially when your team was just one game away from the Super Bowl. Let’s spend our top four picks on three bench riders. That’ll make the team better, right?
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          Maybe Kansas City should draft a “franchise QB” with their first round pick next year because they don’t just grow on trees, ya know!

          1. PF4L June 20, 2021

            Tommy….
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            Mel Kiper had a bet with Todd McShay that if Jimmy Clausen wasn’t a good NFL QB, he would retire.
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            Guess what, Clausen was never a good QB and Kiper never retired.
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            You think McShay and Kiper betting with each other holds any water with anyone?
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            What McShay and Kiper Jr. say….has the same value as you trying to convince people here how smart you are.
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            My Akita has more has more integrity than those social pariah’s of the NFL community.
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            If someone needs to use Kiper and McShay to make their argument, you’ve already lost.

          2. PF4L June 21, 2021

            Answer my question Tommy.
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            You cry like a petulant child when someone doesn’t answer your question.
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            Yes Tommy…Aaron Rodgers is under contract until he’s 40, very good
            Now….does that mean the Packers plan was to honor that contract until he’s 40?

          3. Tom M June 23, 2021

            It seems to me PF4L that the Packers are honoring Rodgers contract and forcing him to show up to camp. You really think Rodgers wishes he had that contract right now? Not on your pathetic life my friend. He’d love to be a free agent. But greed and ego got the best of him.

            Let me explain how NFL contracts work. In short they’re performance based. As long as you perform up to the level of your contract, you get to come back for another year. And if not, your released. That’s life in the NFL, even for Aaron Rodgers. Let’s say your boyfriend comes back this year and does the unthinkable. He wins the Super Bowl at 38. That means he’ll be back in 2022 to try and repeat. He’s earned that right to come back. But a more likely scenario is Rodgers audibles out of a MLF called play because only Rodgers knows best. Holds the ball too long, because he wants to make a highlight play. Gets sacked waiting for Davante Adams to get open deep, breaks a collarbone again or suffers a knee injury and is done for the season. Not unlikely given Rodgers age and history. At which point Gutekunst has to make a decision next offseason. He has to determine if a now injured 38 yr old diva QB is still worth the offseason drama. If they think he is they bring him back and if not they traded him. Either way his contract is honored. And what he’s done the previous 16 years won’t matter. The NFL is a hard business. Being sentimental will get you fired.

          4. PF4L June 23, 2021

            Lets try it one more time…..Tommy.
            But read it slower, or have someone read it to you and explain the question.
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            Yes Tommy…Aaron Rodgers is under contract until he’s 40, very good
            Now….does that mean the Packers plan was to honor that contract until he’s 40?
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            Keywords…until he 40?
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            Give it another go sparky.
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          5. PF4L June 23, 2021

            Hint…this isn’t an answer.
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            ” Let’s say your boyfriend comes back this year and does the unthinkable. He wins the Super Bowl at 38. That means he’ll be back in 2022″ – Tommy
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            I don’t think Rodgers contract has Super Bowl wins as a contract contingency.
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            This isn’t 5th grade Tommy.
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            Try to do better.

          6. Tom M June 23, 2021

            I answered your question. What part of NFL contracts are performance based do you not understand? If your boyfriend wins the SB this year, assuming he recovers from his bruised vagina and plays. Then his performance warrants a return in 2022. Now, if your sweetheart lays another egg in the 4th quarter of the NFCC game then his return is less clear based on the development of Jordan Love this summer. Right now, Aaron Rodgers talent is the only reason management is putting up with his childish drama. Once his age and/or injury cause his performance to slip then he’s no longer worth the headache. That day is coming. Regardless what you think his contract says….

          7. Tom M June 23, 2021

            Yes Cheese, Rodgers is a guaranteed HOFer that can’t seem to win a SB. He’s also 10 yrs older than Patrick Mahomes so your Kansas City comparison doesn’t apply. Neither does Mahomes demand a say in personnel moves nor does he act like a diva. Notice the settle yet significant difference?

          8. PF4L June 23, 2021

            Yes Tommy…Aaron Rodgers is under contract until he’s 40, very good
            Now….does that mean the Packers plan was to honor that contract until he’s 40?
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            Tom M June 23, 2021
            I answered your question. What part of NFL contracts are performance based do you not understand? If your boyfriend wins the SB this year, assuming he recovers from his bruised vagina and plays. Then his performance warrants a return in 2022.
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            The question was until he’s 40, the 2023 season.
            Let me guess…..if he wins the Super Bowl in 2022, the Packers then will keep him to play in 2023.
            According to your non answer logic.
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            You have the intellect of a child.

    2. Kato June 18, 2021

      I kind of agree with Tom. It is a QB driven league. Wolf was drafting QBs nearly every year. Everyone tries to compare every QB, especially Rodgers to Brady. There is literally no guarantee that Rodgers plays at an elite level into his 40s. Also keep in mind when Love was drafted, it looked like Rodgers best days were behind him, as his production appeared to be waning two years in a row. Not to mention all of the stuff that happened with McCarthy. They made the right call drafting Love. It seems like some have a bit of a revisionists history regarding Love and his scouting report. I follow pre-draft stuff very closely. Most had Love as a 1st round grade, some thought he might slip to the second. You never actually know until the draft.
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      “Mandarich was a consensus top pick.” Ah yes, the anecdotal example argument. Are you arguing that consensus top picks should be ignored, and that GMs should just ignore their evaluations of a player if everyone else thinks they are good too. Like the colts probably should have skipped on Peyton Manning. Jesus fucking christ. I am confused. Everyone complains about Gutekunst trying to outsmart other GMs by picking a player that didn’t fit the consensus area of the draft they should be taken, and now we are complaining because he picked a QB that most considered to be a 1st round QB?

      1. PF4L June 18, 2021

        What happened with McCarthy?
        His stale, go nowhere, predictable defense irked Rodgers?
        Fuck…that’s a bad thing?
        Gee, look what happened when a new voice came in and included Rodgers in the architecture of a new offense.
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        Rodgers performance was waning?….in other words Rodgers passer rating was under 100, just like back in 2015 when you wanted Rodgers benched for Hundley.
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        The point wasn’t about Mandarich (pay attention), it was about consensus. Mandarich was used as an example because of it’s notoriety.

        Re read the fucking post, before you speak for me.
        NO…i didn’t say Gute should not listen to others.
        You take shit out of context, i was counterpointing someone else words that if other have consensus, the;lkjhwlsuyguyvgb
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        Fuck off kato…lol.

        1. PF4L June 18, 2021

          *offense

          1. PF4L June 18, 2021

            Kato agree’s with Tommy….why shouldn’t i be shocked, lol.
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            I don’t know why we signed Bortles…Hundley’s still sitting at home waiting for someone to offer him the vet minimum.
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            What say you dipshit?
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      2. Tom M June 19, 2021

        Kato, PF4L has no idea what he’s talking about. Scouts and evaluators alike all said Jordan Love has a first round skill set regardless of what the village idiot says. He’s no doubt a project and needed to work on his game. He would have been a much more risky pick had he been taken in the top half of round one with the likes of Justin Jefferson, Cee Dee Lamb, and Jerry Juedy still on the board. But all the blue chip players were gone at 26. When your looking at your board and you’ve got Jordan Love, Patrick Queen, and Tee Higgins at the top and your on the clock. You take the player with the most upside. That’s Love. You can find players like Higgins and Queen anywhere in the mid rounds. Franchise QB’s almost never. I understand Aaron Rodgers and the girls on this site didn’t like the pick. But there’s nothing Patrick Queen does that a healthy Kamal Martin can’t do. And Rodgers threw 48 TD last year so a WR wouldn’t have helped much either. It was the right call. When PF4L can’t defend himself he’ll start throwing out random names and mentioning guys like Bortles, Hundley, Mandarich and Ryan Leaf that have absolutely nothing to do with what we’re talking about, in this case Jordan Love.

        1. PF4L June 19, 2021

          I just got off the phone with PFF’s psychic hot line….
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          She said that Tommy was going to write a post that didn’t have Aaron Rodgers name in it. She said to look for it in Dec of this year.
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          Best of all…she guaranteed it, or i get my $1.50 back.

          1. Tom M June 19, 2021

            According to Ed Rodgers, Aaron’s estranged father, he said Aaron hates the fans in GB because they booed him when he took over for Favre and they’re not supporting him now. And that Aaron just wants to go somewhere where he’s appreciated. Apparently that’s only in California. That of course, is in direct contrast to what lover boy told Kenny Mayne. He said he “loves the fans”. So which is it? Does he love us or hate us? Mr Ed went on to say that Rodgers is being totally misunderstood and wrongly portrayed by the media over this. Then tell his pussy of a son to have a press conference and set the record straight. Tell us to either go to hell, I’m not ever playing for you again, or I’ll be in camp the end of July. But Rodgers can’t help himself from acting like a 12 yr old girl. Mr Ed went on to say that Mike McCarthy was a buffoon and said the Packers should have hired Sean Payton. Fair enough, but last time I checked, Sean Payton had won only one SB with his own stat whore QB Drew Brees. Same as McCarthy. There’s no guarantee he’d have won anything more with stat whore Rodgers. In fact, Rodgers is so smart he doesn’t need a HC. Just ask him. That he’d be happy to tell you all about….

          2. PF4L June 19, 2021

            Damn…lol
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            You got issues, holy shit.

          3. PF4L June 20, 2021

            Rodgers reportedly hasn’t talked to his family since 2016.
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            When someone starts out a post with…”According to Ed Rodgers………….”
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            All you can do is just start laughing.
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            You got breaking news Tommy, did they reconcile? lol
            Did you talk to Ed?…lol

      3. joefan June 19, 2021

        I can only shake my head when people say Rodgers skills were in decline. He obviously disproved that this year with his MVP season. But the goal post has been moved to “but there’s no guarantee he’ll still be good.” Again I can only shake my head. So basically Rodgers was on the decline, except now he won an MVP award, so he isn’t in decline but we should just assume anyway because of age and eventually he will suck, which you could say about anyone. I’m lost on that. I get wanting to prepare for the future, but you also need to maximize your chances of winning, which I have to accept is something the Packers won’t do.

        1. Cheese June 20, 2021

          joefan gets it.
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          2019- Rodgers is in decline!
          2020- 3rd *MVP* Season
          Also 2020- Well, he had a good year I guess, but he’s old so he’s not always gonna be good. His career is pretty much over. Love was a logical pick!

          1. PF4L June 20, 2021

            lol…hell, that’s not even that bad….
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            Kato, Deep, and Rebel wrote Rodgers eulogy back in 2015 :)

          2. Kato June 20, 2021

            Ah yes. Hindsight is always 20/20. Rodgers had two down seasons in a row. Period. His QB rating was middle of the league. While being the top paid QB. Yes, he had a rebound season and won MVP last year. Congrats. If the Packers knew he was winning MVP in 2020, do you honestly think they would have drafted Love? I doubt it. I bring up McCarthy because he appeared to be a malcontent during the last couple of years. Especially the final season. It’s Hilarious that everyone here conveniently ignores how poorly he played in 2018-2019

          3. PF4L June 21, 2021

            Hindsight my ass…i blasted you at the time.
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            I bet Jordan Love would love to have a Aaron Rodgers POOR season.
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            Justin Herbert just had a Rodgers type poor season and won ROTY
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            Here’s Rodgers playing poorly in Kato’s eyes…
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            2018 ..4,442 yards…25TD’s..2 picks…97.6 passer rating (McCarthys last stale year) Lost Jordy, gained Graham
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            2019..4,002 yards…26 TD’s..4 picks…95.4 passer rating. Learning new system.
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            That is middle of the league?
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            Rodgers worst passer rating in his career is 92.7.
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            Tom Brady has had 9 seasons of a passer rating below 92.7
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            Rodgers isn’t allowed a somewhat down year to his standards apparently?
            That isn’t allowed!!
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            How some of you can call yourself Packer fans…is beyond me.
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            But yea…keep chugging that haterade.
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            Stay thirsty!!

  5. Ed June 18, 2021

    Tom –
    Grow up.
    You don’t like Rodgers. We heard you.

    1. Tom M June 19, 2021

      Ed, by all means tell me why I’m wrong. Wouldn’t you rather light a candle than curse my darkness? Show me the error of my ways….

      1. PF4L June 19, 2021

        Should he start from the beginning or just cherry pick some of the fiction you write?

  6. KILLER June 18, 2021

    That’s some hard squinting through one eye turned sideways while wearing rose-tinted glasses!
    Wow!
    Love was the result of sunk cost bias. They were traveling out to see him in person, during the NFL season, on the sly, in 2019. There was nothing about a talent they did not think would be available sliding down to them.
    Many had Love rated a 2nd or 3rd round or lower player. Any player can look like a steal if you just cherry pick the prognosticators who placed them highest. Love was not a steal and it is a tough sell to try to persuade that he was a fair value pick either.
    That PFF stuff is nonsense on multiple fronts. First, it is a prediction. Second, it is not a complimentary one as Rob reads it. 14 interceptions? Only 25 TDs? That’s good? Really? Also, you compare him to rookie players. ROOKIES. Players who may not even start every game or even most games (Fields). Yes, of course Love should have more yards. Means nothing. You also ignore the situational factors. Will Lawrence or Fields have a Davante Adams to throw to? Do they have a top offensive line like the Packers? Do they have a strong running game with someone like Aaron Jones? No, they do not.
    You could put Mitch Trubisky behind the Packers line, throwing to Adams, and with Jones and Trubisky would throw more than 25 TDs and fewer than 14 INTs.
    So… a QB not as good as Trubisky?
    How exciting! (For vikings fans)

    PS The reason they were visiting Love in 2019 was because of Rodgers diva arrogant attitude. I’m not trying to be a Rodgers pantie sniffer like Piffle.

    1. Tom M June 18, 2021

      This issue here is does Jordan Love have a elite skills set that can be developed into a franchise QB? The answer to that is yes. He’s as talented as Trey Lance who went 3rd overall and Justin Fields 11th. With both the 49ers and Bears giving up multiple picks to select them. I understand that’s no guarantee for success. However if it works, and we get a future franchise QB out of the deal, it’s a great value and certainly worth the risk at the end of round one when all the blue chip prospects were off the board. I can’t tell you that Jordan will make it at this point anymore than you can tell me he will not. Time will tell. I do know we tried to trade up to get Justin Jefferson and that didn’t work out. And we also liked Brandon Aiyuk who went a pick before us. So this conspiracy that Gutekunst was locked into Jordan Love from the outset is total nonsense.

      As far as scouting Love, of course you scout him. That’s your job, to scout all college players. To be prepared. Your point is well taken about Love having Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, and an above OL. I’m certainly not going to apologize because Love will have the tools necessary to succeed while other QB’s may not. The ride may be bumpy, but if Love can show us anything, with the talent on this roster, he can succeed. While PF4L proclaims the Packers can’t wipe their own ass unless Aaron Rodgers is standing close by with toilet paper in hand…..

      1. PF4L June 18, 2021

        The Packers had to wipe their own ass twice…once in 2013, then again in 2017.
        It wasn’t pretty was it?
        Next time they should use toilet paper instead of their bare hands.
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        LOL….Some people become obsessed and can’t help but try to topple the Man on the Silver Mountain.
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        People…don’t let my words anger you to obsession.

        1. Tom M June 18, 2021

          You mean your words of stupidity? They’re always good for a laugh. As long as your talking you’ll alway be embarrassing yourself…..

          1. PF4L June 19, 2021

            PF4L June 18, 2021
            The Packers had to wipe their own ass twice…once in 2013, then again in 2017.
            It wasn’t pretty was it?

  7. PF4L June 18, 2021

    As far as my good friend killer, i don’t even care that he post mostly points i’ve already made, because i’m a giver and it’s just refreshing to see him make some sense and post some intelligent information occasionally.
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    Keep up the good work L B.

    1. rebelgb June 19, 2021

      PF4L you dont get it do you? Neither does the national media like ESPN which obviously doesnt follow Green Bay WI and likely think of us as a bunch of back wood hicks. Here is the POINT: the majority of Packer fans are sick of, and frankly done with Aaron Rodgers. If he comes back and gives us a SB run fine. Be great to see. If not, F him and lets move on to the next stage of Packers football. No one cares anymore about your man crush on Arodge.

      1. PF4L June 19, 2021

        I don’t get it Rebel.
        That’s why i come in here so i can learn from all these fine people such as yourself.
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        Thank you….for just being here :)

        1. Tom M June 19, 2021

          Let me explain this to you. We come here because we’re Packer fans. You know, like the website says “Total Packers” it’s not “Total Rodgers”. You, Cheese, MMSUCKS, and 90% of those that post here can talk shit about the coaches, front office, and players not named Rodgers. But criticism of your favorite man crush is totally off limits. No it’s not. Rodgers doesn’t get a pass for his passive aggressive behavior and his diva mentality. He deserves to be challenged for his flaws as much as anyone else.

          1. PF4L June 19, 2021

            You only mentioned Rodgers name 3 times in that post.
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            You’re getting better!! :)

          2. Tom M June 20, 2021

            But in those three times I took His name in vain! Must I pray for forgiveness out of fear of eternal damnation? Oh ye disciples of the most holy Aaron Rodgers….

          3. Cheese June 20, 2021

            Keep telling everyone how Love is a “franchise QB” because he has some similarities to some other kids who have never played a fucking down in the NFL. Push out the guy who is proven to be a franchise QB, while squashing any chance at winning now, so this other guy can sit the bench and MAYBE win some games three years from now. The grass is always greener on the other side, right? Yall are in for a rude awakening.
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            If you’re too blind to see the blatant fuck ups by this front office then I’m not going to waste my time trying to point them out for the 100th time. Have fun with your middle school name calling. Should we start calling you Mrs.Love? Because you’re clearly married to the idea that Jordan is hands down the best option for the Packers moving forward.

          4. PF4L June 20, 2021

            Don’t waste your time……
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            You can teach people the basics, that doesn’t mean they are smart enough to understand it.
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            No offence Mrs. Love

          5. Tom M June 23, 2021

            Here’s what I know. Jordan Love is the most talented young QB we’ve had since Aaron Rodgers was a rookie 16 yrs ago. Like all young 21 yr old talented QB’s he needs coaching and experience. In time it will come. Unlike the rest of the girls that post here, I’m not terrified of a life without Rodgers. And a good GM has to prepare for the day, for whatever reason, Rodgers can no longer play. Unlike you ladies who prefer to stick your head in the sand…..

          6. MMSUCKS June 23, 2021

            Tom M, Perhaps . . . In your way with words; “you should felate Jordan Love”. You are always suggesting that we “do it to Rodgers”. Perhaps that would help you with your projection issues . . .

          7. Tom M June 23, 2021

            Why, my good friend MMSUCKS! Why not impress me with some of your “empirical data” on how we can never win without our champion, the exalted Aaron Rodgers!

          8. MMSUCKS June 24, 2021

            Mrs Love! The animus that you hold like a badge of honor for Rodgers almost appears as if he must have spurned you as a lover! I’m sorry that he may have done that . . . Get over it! Find a new guy to lust over. Sadly, in the meantime, I fully expect you to continue writing your demented anti-Rodgers manifesto . . . Sick and twisted. It should prove very interesting . . .
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            Never said that we could not win without Rodgers! Nice twist . . . To be expected. I have inferred that the likelihood of winning without Rodgers is close to zero. I will also say that I have inferred a few times that the possibility for Green Bay to get to the SB (NOW) lies in only working with Rodgers now! PERIOD.
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            Just look into the Packers post Lombardi to pre-Ron Wolf; That is all of the proof that you need. A decent QB is NOT the be all-end all. A blue-chip QB was necessary then! As it is in today’s game as well! However, when a teams blue-chip QB1 is dealing with mediocre defensive personnel, sub-par coaching, and unenlightened GM’s who do NOT help their QB 1’s with the requisite talent and coaching necessary to get to the SB . . . It. Will. Not. Happen . . . NO TEAM can get to a SB now without a blue-chip QB1 and a well rounded offense AND defense. . . That is unless you have a motherfucker of a defense, and the requisite coaching to go with it. We DO NOT have a defense good enough, and the new DC is an unknown. So stop blaming Rodgers for everyone else’s mistakes. He is not to blame for all of the other mistakes made in every other NFCCG that they have lost. It is a TEAM GAME! When the only time that the “team” is NOT blamed, it is by half-assed fans who do not realize that it takes everyone on that team to win the fucking game. NOT just Rodgers. Blame the GM and some of the coaching staff, and players just as much for losing that game. Rodgers numbers were far better than Brady’s! The key was Tampa Bay’s defense PERIOD. They were motherfuckers! Did you watch what they did to P. Mahomes in the SB???? Wake up!
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            But you are willing to piss away any immediate SB appearance GB may have because you would rather support a “TIE in the front office” rather than someone who actually knows what he is doing at the game, and has given the Packer Nation nearly 2 decades of SOLID play with (up until this year) NO drama. Could it be that Rodgers’ may have some serious issues with how the Packer front office plays their part in the game? Otherwise; wouldn’t you believe that in your word’s (a “DIVA”) would have manifested himself years ago (Think Antonio Brown for one)???? Just out of the blue? After 16 straight years he then does it???? That “DIVA” moniker doesn’t hold water with that kind of continuous decades-long behavior that Rodgers has so ethically, faithfully, and loyally, provided the Packer Nation and his front office with! Please step back from your “hurt” and your personally fractured football world for a second, and attempt to CRITICALLY ANALYZE this situation for what it really is. This scenario does’t raise any “flags” to you at all? Are you that OBTUSE?
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            Furthermore; Rodgers has pushed for both GM’s that he has played under to go after certain players that were available . . . they never did; the players however, did perform well after some SMART GM took them. See Seattle and Marshawn Lynch as an example. Hell! A. Rodgers played with Lynch at Cal (2004 backfield teammates)!!! He KNEW Lynch! He KNEW what he was capable of! Moreover, the MAJORITY of Packer nation screamed for GB to get TJ Watt . . . to empty heads and deaf ears! Jimmy Graham? Then, after spending 100 million (plus or minus) on the Smith’s, Gutekunst drafts a PROJECT OLB???? To ride the bench??? as the 12th overall pick in the 1st round???? Really??? C’mon! and on, and on, and on, and on . . . Geesh! LOL!

          9. joefan June 20, 2021

            I don’t see how Rodgers is being passive aggressive. There are disagreements between him and the team. The team knows. They’ve had discussions all offseason. So Rodgers informed them about his position. It sounds to me like he made his feelings known.

          10. PF4L June 23, 2021

            What Tommy meant was Jordan Love is the most talented QB to have never completed an NFL pass.
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            Providing proof Tommy says…”because i said so”

  8. PF4L June 20, 2021

    Jordan Love was a 1st round pick because…Mel Kiper JR….said so!!
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    Todd McShay was all in for Love, picking him to be taken with the sixth overall pick.
    ******************************
    For the record…..
    Mel Kiper has said………
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    1) Drafting Matt Hessleback was a waste of a 6th round pick – M K Jr.
    2) J’Marcus Russell could be the next John Elway – M K Jr.
    3) The Lions should have drafted Brady Quinn #2 in the 2007. Instead the Lions selected Calvin Johnson.
    4) M K Jr. stated if Jimmy Clausen was not a successful NFL QB, he would retire. Neither happened.
    5) M K Jr. stated Russell Wilson was much like Senaca Wallace.
    6) M K Jr. said Johnny Manziel should be the #1 pick by Houston.
    7) M K Jr. has Andre Wadsworth as a better prospect than Charles Woodson and Peyton Manning in the 98 draft.
    8) “Akili Smith will be a great NFL player” – M K Jr.
    9) M K Jr. (angrily)…thought the Colts should have drafted Trent Dilfer instead of Marshall Faulk with their #2 pick.
    10) M K Jr. Predicted Ricky Stanzi would be the best QB out of the 2011 draft
    11) With the #6 pick, M K Jr. said Dwayne Haskins could be the heir apparent to Eli Manning for the Giants.
    12) Like the Packers…M K Jr. didn’t think T.J. Watt was worthy of a 1st round pick.
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    Should i go through the nauseum of McShay’s vision, or do you get the jist?

  9. PF4L June 20, 2021

    Just because :)
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    TJ Watt…pick #30… starter from year one.
    49.5 sacks
    111 QB hits
    59 TFL
    17 FF’s
    ******
    Rashan Gary..pick #12…bench player
    7 sacks
    0 FF’s
    2 TFL
    * This is not a dig on Gary
    This is for the stupidity of knowingly drafting a bench player at #12 directly after spending 100 plus million on the Smiths
    The same for those who think this was a good pick at #12.
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    ** Keep bragging about how Rashan Gary is ABOUT to have a breakout year his 3rd season, when he has half the production that Watt has….come talk to me.
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    Do i think that the #12 pick should have higher expectations than this? G damn right i do. It’s a shame that an NFL GM doesn’t feel the same.
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    Rashan Gary was one of the highest-rated players coming out of Paramus Catholic High in NJ and did nothing at Michigan to live up to it. Also has the labrum issue. Good luck, Packers.

    — Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt) April 26, 2019
    …………………….

    PF4L May 5, 2019
    If you are a NFL General Manager picking 12th in the NFL draft and you pick a defensive player that you don’t expect to start. You may want to find a box, gather your belongings and find a different career path.

    1. Tom M June 23, 2021

      Your rambling on about Rashan Gary, Jordan Love and Mel Kiper. I’m not here to defend Mel Kiper. Jordan Love is a first round talent so says scouts and TV commentators alike of which you are neither. You may disagree. But those that do this for a living hold more weight than an Aaron Rodgers fanboy. Tell me then, who you would have picked at 12 if not Gary? Don’t just bitch like a little girl. Tell me the player Gutekunst passed on. TJ Watt was in a different draft with a different GM. You can’t even make that comparison.

      1. PF4L June 23, 2021

        PF4L June 23, 2021
        Lets try it one more time…..Tommy.
        But read it slower, or have someone read it to you and explain the question.
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        Yes Tommy…Aaron Rodgers is under contract until he’s 40, very good
        Now….does that mean the Packers plan was to honor that contract until he’s 40?
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        Keywords…until he 40?
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        Give it another go sparky.

        1. PF4L June 23, 2021

          Ignoring it doesn’t make it go away princess.

          1. PF4L June 23, 2021

            TJ Watt was a 30th first round pick.
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            Rashan Gary was a 12th first round pick.
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            So i can’t compare their production, because….Tommy said so….lol

  10. PF4L June 20, 2021

    Follow up…..
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    Godspeed to Greg Olson, family and his 8 year old son TJ who two weeks ago had a heart transplant and is currently recovery well.

  11. NobodysBurfect June 20, 2021

    What if, at a press conference, Mark Murphy responded to a reporter by saying “shut up and report what I say”. Or maybe in an op-ed on the official site he told the fans “shut up and watch the game”

    .

    Now imagine you’re the 16 year face of the franchise – arguably the best to ever play your position, and arguably the best to ever play the game. You’ve watched 1st & 2nd round picks spent on; Justin Harrell, Brain Brohm, Mike Neal, Derek Sherrod, Nick Perry, Jerel Worthy, Datone Jones, Ha Ha Clinton Dix, Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins, Jason Spriggs, Kevin King, Josh Jones, Josh Jackson, Rashan Gary, and then Jordan Love.

    .

    You’ve watched an organization allow their former GM to run the organization while mentally crumbling. You’ve watched Dom Capers get steamrolled, then Pettine get steamrolled – all while somehow keeping the team competitive enough to get there in the first place. You made McCarthy look good for years, landing him a second gig with the Cowboys – after he spent more time at Culvers and on the massage table than in the playbook.

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    Then, after all that, all you want is job security til you retire, and input into which players you get to throw the ball to.

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    “Shut up and play football”

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    Fire Murphy, or #freeaaron

    1. PF4L June 20, 2021

      It’s kind of funny how Rodgers success has provided so many Packer coaches and brass….job security.
      Then when he ask for a couple token years of job security after winning an MVP….they have an issue with it.
      .
      The issue they have with it, is it doesn’t fit their Master plan. Quite the opposite.
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      Whatever happens with Rodgers…happens, and i’m cool with it
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      The disease is still in the building.

    2. MMSUCKS June 24, 2021

      Absolutely! Without question NobodysBurfect!

  12. PF4L June 20, 2021

    More follow up…
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    Some may have read the story i wrote about John Rahm and his positive Covid test after 3 rounds at the Memorial up by six strokes and he was disqualified. He most likely lost 1.64 million in prize money.
    He then had to quarantine himself. He had taken both vaccinations, but the two week period wasn’t up and he tested positive.
    .
    Fast forward to the US Open at Torrey Pines this weekend.
    Karma showed itself as he won by two strokes.
    Watch his final putt at the 18th hole and you’ll see what a Champion looks like.
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    His 2nd shot on the par 5 18th went in the greenside bunker.
    Watch the whole thing, it’s worth it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhGEnCf3ryw

  13. Mick June 21, 2021

    Banter from another site on Packers. “How brilliant has Packers coach Matt LaFleur been? Remember that he was widely derided as a hire because of his close proximity to McYay of the Rams. There was this weird notion that because of his McVay affiliation, LaFleur didn’t merit Green Bays’ prestigious job. All LaFleur has done in his 2 seasons at the helm is lead the Packers to within a game of the super bowl; twice, with twin 13 – 3 seasons to boot. This feels like Aaron Rodgers final season in Green Bay; that is if he isn’t traded. The Packers front office just doesn’t do enough to push for championships. Winning only one super bowl apiece with Brett Favre and Rodgers;;;;;; is just awful!” (USA Today Sports)

    1. Cheese June 22, 2021

      Lol, I like LaFleur and I’m sure his puts a lot of work in but there’s no way he pulls that off without Rodgers.
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      Don’t you love when people act like Rodgers is just another warm body who only won his 3rd MVP because of LaFleur’s offensive scheme? Swap him out with Blake Bortles or Jordan Love, we’re gonna win the Super Bowl anyway! The new system definitely helped compared to McCarthy’s stale approach, but Rodgers made it all work.

      1. Tom M June 23, 2021

        I don’t know about winning the SB with Blake Bortles or Jordan Love but we sure as shit haven’t won one with Aaron Rodgers over the last decade. Here’s a fun fact. Matt LaFleur’s first year as HC of the Packers we went 13-3. Everybody’s favorite sweetheart threw 26 TD’s. While Aaron Jones scored 19 with a greatly improved defense. It wasn’t all Rodgers. But by all means, live your fantasy……

        1. MMSUCKS June 23, 2021

          Tom M., or asshat, or Mrs. Love is it? Like most FOOLS, you conflate. Part of the reason that Jones gets 19 td’s is because the opposing defense must always key on Rodgers. Besides, Rodgers threw 3 of those 19 td’s from Jones to Jones. So it is 16 . . . not 19. You keep mentioning/inferring (ad-nauseam, btw) that Rodgers cannot get to the SB because he blows games . . . But then, you keep saying that it’s a team game, or that other individuals contribute and matter just as much. Which is it??? Well??? I am CERTAIN that K. Kings’ and M. Pettine’s egregious error right before halftime had NOTHING TO DO with the Packers losing the NFCCG right? If those ridiculous errors’ in judgment and play-calling did not occur, guess who wins? Green Bay! But you Just want to blame A. Rodgers! Because (of course) we have fanboy crushes on him! Because that makes it his fault! Fuzzy fucking logic Tom M! . . . and all from some Packer brass gopher salted onto this website. GFU, none of your shit holds any water. It just barely has enough truth in it to enable weak minded people’s confirmation bias. And after all, is that not your goal?
          *
          Just for shits and giggles . . . Why all of the unwarranted animus towards some of us? Do you need an intervention? Or are you just a cunt?

          1. Tom M June 23, 2021

            Ok, following your argument then. Why isn’t it Aaron Jones running the ball and MLF’s play calling a key to Rodgers success? This is my biggest issue with you girls. Aaron Rodgers gets credit for everything and is accountable for nothing when things go wrong.

            Do you recall MLF’s first game as HC? Thursday night game to open the season on the road against Chicago. We were coming off a 6-9-1 season while the Bears had won the division and they were talking trash. The NFC North belonged to them now. We won that game 10-3. We ran the ball and played defense. The win had very little to do with Aaron Rodgers. In fact Rodgers apologized to MLF after the game and promised he’d play better. For the most part he did but not always. It wasn’t his finest season by any means. And it wasn’t all him for us going 13-3. In his first season, MLF’s offense looked a lot like McCarthy’s bastardized offense. The one that Aaron Rodgers loves to run. While last year he bought into MLF’s offense, throwing 48 TD’s in the process. The defense, the run game, MLF and even Gutekunst all get some credit for the team’s success. It’s not just Aaron Rodgers.

          2. MMSUCKS June 23, 2021

            More gas-lighting from 1265 Lombardi . . . You speak in half-truths. One thing, you blame Rodgers for losing the NFCCG because he had a piss poor performance in the 4th quarter. It was not all him as you state, it was the O Line, a fumble by Jones and some suspect play calling (that MLF admitted to) and MLF deciding to kick a FG instead of going for the TD. All of your obfuscating cannot cover up those facts. Notwithstanding, the stellar defense displayed by BOTH ILB’s from Tampa Bay (that actually made P. Mahomes look real BAD in the SB) Rodgers did much better against them, but they were still much of the reason that Rodgers could NOT get any 1st downs. But you already know this. How much is 1265 paying you for damage control? Because you cannot possibly be this obtuse in your arguments otherwise . . .

          3. PF4L June 23, 2021

            Lets not gloss over the cunt question…
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            Let Tommy answer.

          4. Cheese June 24, 2021

            OMG… Rodgers had an off day during his first game under a new system and a new coach. He clearly can’t make it in this league.
            .
            God forbid the rest of the team steps up and wins a game once in a while.

          5. PF4L June 24, 2021

            Well it’s settled then…
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            If the Packers can beat the Bears without Rodgers, than they can beat anyone without Rodgers.
            No wonder they spent two draft choices for a project QB. It all makes sense now.
            .
            Everyone played well against the bears except Rodgers, he’s now expandable.
            .
            The running backs did their part….
            Gaining 39 yards on 18 carries (2.1 yard average).
            Besides providing running lanes, one of the NFL’s best O lines did their part…only giving up 5 sacks and 7 QB hits.
            The defense played well, vaulting through the Bears highly impressive brick wall of a O line.
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            If Rodgers keeps insisting on having games with passer ratings in the 90’s…he better wake the F up because that won’t cut it in Title Town.
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            The Final was 10-3 Packers. Rodgers threw one more TD pass than Trubisky.
            But that was a lucky pass i’m almost sure.
            It wasn’t the difference in the outcome of the game..
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            If Rodgers keeps playing shit ball like that with one of the leagues best O lines, maybe he should start packing his bags.
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            Maybe the Packers find a QB who will never have a passer rating under 100.
            Rodgers….you’re on notice my friend.
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            Don’t be the problem.
            *******************
            As Tommy noted…”We ran the ball and played defense. The win had very little to do with Aaron Rodgers.”
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            Damn right Tommy, we ran the ball down the bears throats. You know what you’re talking about, that’s for damn sure.
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            Keep up the good work :).

  14. PF4L June 22, 2021

    As far as LaFleur being derided when he was hired, i didn’t see that at all.
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    I saw Murphy dominating his introduction press conference, i saw a completely submissive and quiet ​Gutekunst, and i saw a nervous, but personable LaFleur.
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    It’s true that we have to see if Gute and LaFleur can win without Rodgers.
    .
    But as of right now…today. LaFleur and Rodgers are the best thing that happened …to each other.
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    Rodgers got a new voice, new idea’s and maybe most importantly, was given a voice in the offense.
    LaFleur got a rare gift under center to start his head coaching career.
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    Lastly, i wanted to comment on the simple minded ignorant “Packer fans” who like to point out Rodgers “waning years” in 2018-2019.
    In 2018 the team was being led by a dead man walking. I believe, courtesy of Russ Ball for retribution of McCarthy blocking his promotion to GM. Yes, i believe Ball had Murphy’s ear.
    If people don’t think 2018 was a season of turmoil and dissension on the team, i have a bridge to sell you.
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    2019 found a new head coach, a new voice, a fresh start on offense, albeit, 1 proven receiver.
    Here’s what simple minds can’t comprehend. When i say simple, i actually mean stupid. just so there isn’t any miscommunication.
    During the 2019 season, you could see the beginning of a new offensive system install, but you could also see shades of Rodgers performing like he has been, for the last 11 years.
    The question is….why is that?
    The simple minds would have you believe he’s fighting with LaFleur, resisting changes.
    People who know how to process, know how to think and formulate opinions would contend……
    That Rodgers did the same things, under the same coach for 11 years.
    You aren’t going to get rid of all those habits, in one off season. Yes, he displayed some mannerism’s of his entire career in 2019.
    J C people…cut the guy some slack and let him transition!!
    Don’t sit there eating your cheeto’s and claim Rodgers is rejecting LaFleur.
    .
    I don’t know what these simpletons have to say about Rodgers 2020 season…other than….he just got lucky.
    Which would be…par for the course.
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    Keep bringing the Rodgers hate simpletons….we need things to entertain us and laugh at.

  15. Ferris June 22, 2021

    Most “Genius” coaches become “Former Geniuses” once they lose a HOF QB. Some mediocre coaches look a lot smarter with HOF QBs too. See Bruce Arians. Take Rodgers away and we will see what a genius winner LaFleur is rather quickly.

  16. Savage57 June 23, 2021

    The part of this that’s disturbing is the 180* pivot in Rodgers perspective year over year.
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    Following Love’s selection, Rodgers was pretty quiet, mostly noting that he was disappointed he no longer controlled his future and might not finish his career as a Packer.
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    Then following an outstanding season statistically, but sadly another ‘game early and a touchdown short’ finish for the team, he realized he could retake control of his future.
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    The “then I went and threw a wrench in their plans” comment comes across as petty and vindictive, but in light of his 2020 stats, it’s also understandable – If you want a future that looks different than the one you committed to with the last contract you signed, just fucking say it – I want to be guaranteed to be the starting QB for the Packers for the remainder of my football life, and if they’re unwilling to do that, let me finish my football life elsewhere where someone else will accede to that demand.
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    Just make a decision in the light instead of subjecting Love and the Packers to the same thing you had to go through with Favre. Yeah the causes were different – Favre indulged his ego by constantly making himself the center of attention with retirement questions. But aren’t you doing the exact same thing with what appears to be a demand to be guaranteed leader and QB of the Packers for life? But a life where only you decide what and how long that life looks like.

    1. PF4L June 23, 2021

      I look at it differently (surprise right?).
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      Rodgers was relatively quiet after Gute’s drafting strategy let Rodgers know that his days were numbered.
      But even still…Rodgers welcomed Love, worked on the offense with LaFleur and Hackett, showed up and played with a good attitude, displayed professionalism and great rapport with his coaches and teammates.
      .
      After the season did Rodgers change his directive?…sure he did.
      You could even say he held a grudge.
      Is that a surprise to anyone?
      We learned he held grudges back in 2005.
      He hasn’t done anything since to change that mindset.
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      I said after the season Rodgers threw a wrench in Gutes plan (in here).
      Then 2,3 months later Rodgers said the same thing.
      Was that a lie, or a false representation?
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      Rodgers can do what he wants, he’s a grown ass man. Plus…citing the fact he has no history of contract or camp holdouts
      Plus, all he’s done as a Packer…i’m fairly certain….he’s earned it.
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      Here’s where you really lose me…..
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      “…. but sadly another ‘game early and a touchdown short’ finish for the team” – Savage
      .
      I’ll take that as another dig on Rodgers not being able to win a NFCCG.
      Funny how the Bucs relentless pass rush, or awful play of 3 pass coverages that led to 21 points, had nothing to do with it?
      .
      Where’s your comment on how all the prized free agents didn’t show up in this game?
      Where’s your comment on how Brady played from the pocket nearly untouched?
      .
      We didn’t lose that game because of Rodgers.
      We lost that game because this team isn’t ready to win a NFCCG.
      Just like the Atlanta and Seahawk NFCCG’s.

      1. Savage57 June 29, 2021

        He can only do what he wants (pro football-wise, anyway) as a grown ass man to the extent it agrees with the contract he signed.

        And doing so would actually make him a grown ass man.

        1. PF4L June 29, 2021

          Yea….i get that, honoring his contract.
          .
          Like how the Packers honored Jordy Nelson’s contract.

          1. PF4L June 29, 2021

            Tommy….kept mentioning that Rodgers is under contract until he’s 40, implying…. that’s when Love would start. Which would mean that Love would sit for four years, then start in his 5th year option.
            Tommy isn’t the brightest bulb in the room.

            When i asked if he thought the Packers would honor Rodgers contract until he’s 40, he wouldn’t answer (of course).
            .
            But then he finally sorta kind of answered with…..”as long as he wins the Super Bowl every year.”
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            Talking to Tommy is like having a conversation with a head of lettuce.

          2. Savage57 July 7, 2021

            The conditions for release or termination of contract and the rights and remedies for both parties are clearly stated in the contract which references the CBA.

            There’s no clause for player default.

  17. Mick June 23, 2021

    Another point PF4L, this team hasn’t been good enough on defense since 2011. Or, special teams , for that matter. Most of the years, the offenses have been good enough;;;;;(when Rodgers was healthy, and excluding McCarthys’ lame duck stale offenses towards the end of his tenure). I do blame Rodgers for not going all in when he had a chance to run it in on their last possession against TB; however; taking the ball out of the MVPs’ hands on 4th down, with a championship on the line; at home; is a LaFleur brain fart. That was not Rodgers fault, and I believe that is still pissing him off.

  18. PF4L June 23, 2021

    Tom M June 23, 2021
    Jordan Love is a first round talent so says scouts and TV commentators alike of which you are neither. You may disagree. But those that do this for a living hold more weight than an Aaron Rodgers fanboy.
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    From PFF….
    The Green Bay Packers shocked the draft world on Day 1 of the 2020 NFL Draft, trading up in the first round to select Utah State’s Jordan Love, the big-armed small-school QB who we had ranked 76th overall on the PFF Big Board. The team followed up this surprising move with the curious selections of running back AJ Dillon in the second and tight end Josiah Deguara in the third. The team’s overall haul earned a “D” grade according to PFF analysts’ 2020 NFL Draft grades for all 32 teams — the worst in the league.
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    You read that little man? PFF grades players…for a living.
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    I’m guessing PFF holds more weight than a Gute fanboy.

    1. Dean June 23, 2021

      Part of GBs grade was because they already had a HOF QB and great RB tandem before the draft and they did not take a WR in round 1 or 2. If a QB needy team had taken Love at 26, my quess is the analysts would not have given them a better grade like A or B for taking Love at 26.

      1. Dean June 23, 2021

        … would have given them a better grade …

        1. PF4L June 24, 2021

          Maybe, maybe not. But then, why would i care about IF another team drafted Love? It’s irrelevant.
          What matters is the Packer draft and how it effects it’s current team and its so-called “goals”.
          .
          The Packers 2020 draft was clearly graded on the ineptness, absence, and dereliction of helping the current team.
          Except for a couple games from AJ Dillon, who contributed?
          Exactly.
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          People in this business are fairly intelligent. But it doesn’t take a genius to see that Gute prioritized the draft for the future, instead of the present.
          Even the most ardent Gute supporters should be able to admit that much.
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          Gute was graded D’s and F’s because he didn’t help the team, didn’t prioritize winning now, and clearly drafted, planning for Rodgers departure, over improving the current team on the field.
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          I didn’t read or hear from anyone after that draft, who was impressed with Gutes draft
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          Then, pre 2021 draft, all i”m reading is how the Packers are going to be looking for starters out of that draft.
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          Funny…why wasn’t that the mindset of the 2020 draft?
          We all know why, 2020 was a different objective.
          *************************
          Could the 2021 Packers make it to a 3rd NFCCG in row?
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          If they did….Could any of Gutes highly paid free agent hero’s show up and actually make a fucking play?
          2 expensive free agent edge pass rushers, the 12th pick bench player of the 2019 draft, what did they do against the Bucs?
          Total of all 3 = 5 solo tackles….2 QB hits…0 sacks…0 everything else.
          .
          WOW….thanks for the effort boys!
          .
          Making plays against weaker teams in the league is great.
          But some players are paid winning lottery tickets because they are EXPECTED to make plays in big games.
          Right Gute?
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          Bitch about Rodgers in this game?
          Rodgers kept the team in the game despite little support and high school level pass coverages giving up 21 points.

          1. PF4L June 24, 2021

            I mentioned the 2 free agents edge rushers and Gary’s lack of play making in the last NFCCG.
            .
            Lets look at the 2019 NFCCG and see how they effected the game.
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            All 3 again, had a total of 5 solo tackles…and zero’s straight across the board….i’m shocked.
            WOW…thanks for the effort boys.
            .
            Hell….Blake Martinez had 6 solo tackles himself.
            .
            Kyler Fackrell had a sack. The guy making the least…made a play.
            .
            To date…the Packers have payed the Smith brothers 68 million.
            .
            Shits and grins…..
            .
            Kyler Fackrell 2020 stats….23 solo tackles…4 sacks…1 FF…1 interception
            Preston Smith 2020 stats…29 solo tackles…4 sacks…1 FR

            .
            I mean…it’s great the Smith Brothers could break through the Bears MONSTER O line in 2019.
            But for 68 million, in the 2 NFCCG’s, can they bring……anything?
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            I know i know…Preston is going to put the pizza and ice cream away this off season….YAWN

  19. PF4L June 25, 2021

    Hot Damn!!
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    I just read something….WOW!!!!
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    How did i miss this!!??
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    Rodgers doesn’t have to play for the Packers this season, if he chooses not to (no repercussions).
    Also….. if he merely shows up for camp….
    No fines
    No questions asked.
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    Rodgers can….opt out this season over Covid
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    He would have by July 2 to decide. Six days.
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    Furthermore, Pro Football Talk noted that Rodgers wouldn’t have to forfeit $11.5 million in signing bonus money and would still get his roster bonus. He would continue to be fined if he doesn’t show up for Packers camp.
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    profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/25/aaron-rodgers-does-indeed-have-an-opt-out-silver-bullet-for-2021/
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    I recall readers comments on how the Packers hold all the leverage….
    Please….tell me more.
    .
    Note: If Rodgers did implement the Covid out, and he showed up for camp.
    He still has one huge concern….Jordan Love outperforming him and embarrassing Rodgers.
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    Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
    .

    1. PF4L June 25, 2021

      Classic comments……
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      bwdjr says:
      June 25, 2021 at 6:40 am
      Get your popcorn ready.
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      trollingforjustice says:
      June 25, 2021 at 7:30 am
      ” the hardest part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch”
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      touchback6 says:
      June 25, 2021 at 8:05 am
      tick tock, tick tock
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      SeeYouNextTuesday says:
      June 25, 2021 at 8:13 am
      But, But, But…. Rodgers was suppose to have no leverage.
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      everyactionhasanoverreaction says:
      June 25, 2021 at 11:42 am
      (Not So) Bold Prediction:
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      Bortles will start more games than Love. Packers will be taking another QB in the 2022 draft.

      1. PF4L June 25, 2021

        The clear winner……
        .
        ” the hardest part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch”

        1. Mick June 25, 2021

          LOL, so you read that article too? I get a kick out of the comments section after those stories. Management has screwed this up and will continue to do so. Like I said in the past, management has the most cards, but Rodgers holds the better cards.

          1. PF4L June 25, 2021

            I read about the agreement between the NFL and NFLPA about the new covid out last night, and it didn’t click with me at the time relating to Rodgers.
            .
            Right now, the ball is in Murphy’s court. I’d say it’s in Gutes court but, who we kidding right?
            .
            I don’t know Rodgers at all, except for obvious personality traits.
            The Packers know him a lot better than any of us.
            .
            If the Packers think there is any possibility of Rodgers actually playing this card, they better roll up their sleeves and make a move.
            .
            I’ll bet these scenarios were never brought up during the round table pre-draft meetings in 2019/2020 in planning Rodgers departure.
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            July 2nd is now the Precipice.

          2. Mick June 25, 2021

            I believe you’re right. “Get your popcorn ready”;;;;;LOL. “An exercise in over-played, excess drama from all sides”.

  20. PF4L June 25, 2021

    Nagler…being asked if Rodgers is a bad teammate and hated in the locker room.
    .
    Nagler: Are there people who he rubs the wrong way? No doubt about it.
    But…having talked to a lot of people who have not only been in the locker room recently, but have been in the locker room throughout Aaron’s career, most guys who go through Green Bay absolutely adore him.

  21. PF4L June 26, 2021

    Just because….this place is dead right now, much like every 8-10 days.
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    It seems in todays world, biological science has nothing to do with determining a persons sexual orientation.
    .
    Following are quotes from a man who identifies as a woman and competes in NCAA Womens Div. II who recently was banned from the Olympic trials for not meeting the testing requirements established back in 2019.
    (in other words, he knew the testing requirements for some time, which he failed to reach)
    .
    He disagrees for these reasons, and i quote……

    ” I’m just a regular girl, living my best life”
    (I’m guessing there is room for debate of what defines a regular girl)
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    “I honestly don’t consider myself as Trans, i consider myself as a female, and it’s unfair because that’s thee um (pause) thee scientific definition that describes what or who i am.”
    (that’s the scientific definition?….interesting)
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    “I am (pause) a straight female, who is heterosexual, who likes heterosexual men. And ya know, at the end of the day i still have to hold my head high because at the end of the day and like, because at the end of the day, i know that i’m a female and nobody can tell me anything.”
    .
    “It’s really hard for Trans girls like myself to get any attention from men and it’s just like….(pause) LISTEN….we are girls, we are female too. You don’t know what’s going on down there, and you will never know until you get to know that girl. And then if you get to that stage then you’ll know, what the situation is.”
    .
    “The feeling of wanting attention from men, is innate and the fact that i’m looking for it from men, in straight men and not like just any men, just proves that i am, a heterosexual female.”
    *******************
    Sounds like proof to me…..lol
    Cuz….”i know that i’m a female and nobody can tell me anything.”
    ******************
    In Mens NCAA Division II he ranked 200th in 2016, and 390th in 2017
    In Womens NCAA Division II, in 2019 he ranked 3rd and 7th in his events Nationally.
    .
    Listen….i feel like bringing up my breakfast.
    But…i feel sorry for the girls he competes against and i don’t blame the girls and/or their parents one bit for raising hell over this.
    .
    If he wants to further his cause….saying nothing might go a long, long way. Because him speaking, is doing him no good at all.
    Holy shit.

    1. Cheese June 27, 2021

      He can call it whatever he wants, I call it a mental disorder. If he wants to play dress up and go chop all of his parts off on his own time, go for it. But to see that colleges are playing along with this is insane.
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      I don’t know if it’s the same guy but I saw a pic online where some man who was 40 years old, like 6’8″ tall, and covered in tats because he was ex-military, was claiming to be female and played college basketball with a bunch of 19-20 years girls. SMFH…
      .
      Seeing this agenda being pushed to the forefront and glorified in front of a bunch of susceptible kids is highly disturbing.

      1. PF4L June 27, 2021

        We know which side of the isle most colleges lean toward. The testing for testosterone levels is what the NCAA deems as eligible The NCAA can turn the other cheek and let things pass, but when its the Olympic committee, they can’t just hoodwink athletes in. His levels tested too high (of course).
        .
        It’s Cece Telfer, he’s 6’2″.
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        Most of these guys don’t get their unit chopped off, that’s too extreme for most. They may get their balls snipped, because then it’s easier to tape under and conceal, while playing dress up.
        .
        Ben Shapiro asked a transgender her genetics. Well, this transgender loses his shit and threatens to send him home in a ambulance. (2:02 – 2:15)
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgQy70_LPS4
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        Send him home in a ambulance?
        That doesn’t even make any sense.
        Hence why i say they’d get farther, by not talking.

        1. Cheese June 27, 2021

          Testing for testosterone levels deems them eligible…. Wow.
          .
          The one I saw was Gabrielle Ludwig, who I guess is actually 50 years old, 6’6″, 230 lbs.
          .
          https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/transgender-basketball-player-joins-california-womens-team-18030324
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          I guess “she” was willing to step down but the rest of the kids on the team said that they would quit if Ludwig quit. Once again, making kids think this shit is normal. Of course they want grandpa on their team because “she’s” twice the size as everyone on the court and gives them a massive advantage. I wonder what the other teams think of this.
          .
          Hey, grandpa’s testosterone levels are sinking. That means he can play women’s basketball now!
          .
          “Being transgender is about the bravest thing you can do.” You gotta be fucking kidding me…

          1. PF4L June 27, 2021

            idk man….coming out as a circus freak?
            .
            Used to be you only found something like that at traveling carnivals in the side tents that you had to pay a dollar to go in and look.

  22. PF4L June 27, 2021

    Every once in awhile it’s important to show appreciation….
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    Rob….Thanks for your article 10 days ago
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    Paul….Thanks for your article 14 days ago
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    Ed…Thanks for your article 25 days ago
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    J P….Thanks for your article 48 days ago

  23. rebelgb June 27, 2021

    First off its obvious PF4L has decided to remain unemployed and living off the system since his accident, since he now posts more than any previous poster in the history of this website.

    Second of I want to say: Shame on YOU PF4L. I mean you finally went all in and showed your true colors. WHY ARE you on this site? This is a Packer Fan site. You are not a Packer fan. You are an Aaron Rodgers fan. Fine, follow his career and find a site dedicated to him. Why are you here????????? You actually thinks its funny that a grown man might hold out of his multi million dollar commitment to a team he doesnt “like” anymore, still get paid, and sit home and thats just fine with you? Last year during the height of the pandemic Rodgers had no problem playing football. But now if he uses COVID to screw the Packers out of millions of dollars you think its a joke?

    Seriously go join Killer on a Viking site because you are much closer to Viking fans than Packer fans. Your a toxic piece of crap as a Packer fan. Please give me more Killer posts and less PF4L posts…..

    1. PF4L June 27, 2021

      Awe :)…..the obsession continues…
      .
      First of all cupcake…i’m not unemployed. I’ve been back to work (limited). I receive full salary, as i always have.
      .
      Although none of your business, i will give you more details the moment you actually make a post regarding something football that i’ve been asking from you this year (still waiting), and not your obviously unhealthy obsession with me.
      .
      When i say unhealthy…it would seem i make you seethe with anger. Admittedly, i find that amusing, but sad at the same time.
      .
      Seriously little man….don’t let someone from the internet control your emotions like i do. That in itself is somewhat pathetic.
      I hope someday you can enjoy some peace of mind and find happiness some day.
      .
      The first step towards that is admitting you need some help, there is no shame in that.
      .
      As far as posting and providing content in here as much as i do, a simple thank you would suffice.
      .
      Good luck in your future endeavors my friend.

      1. PF4L June 28, 2021

        When someone accuses somebody else of not being a Packer fan.
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        rebelgb April 25, 2020
        Well this draft sealed it. I am now a Bucs fan. Love the uniform and its always warm in Tampa. Go Gronk and Tom!
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        Stay warm Gomer

  24. PF4L June 27, 2021

    Something interesting to read….
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    overthecap.com/the-benefits-of-an-aaron-rodgers-opt-out/
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    I don’t see Rodgers taking this route, but i guess it depends on the strength of his dislike for the executive football operations experts of the Packers who know more about this game than Rodgers.
    .
    I know Jordan Love is highly thought of. I think Deshone Kizer was also highly thought of, is he available?

    1. Dean June 27, 2021

      Solves the cap problem in 2022…

      1. PF4L June 28, 2021

        Actually, there is benefit in it for the Packers, short and long term. Maybe enough to where they hope he’s leaning opt-out.
        .
        Short term, instant cap relief, which could be used this year signing players, or deferred to 2022.
        Long term. Working out a trade at the end of the season, before free agency, and before the draft when it’s more advantageous.
        .
        I very well could be wrong and they are working out a compromise right now. Or….things are too far gone for all we know.
        That’s the thing, we don’t know.

  25. PF4L June 29, 2021

    WaynePeterkin
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    20 hours ago
    If you have a contract and are an honorable person, you honor your obligation no matter how you may not like the circumstances. And that is all that matters here. No contract, no problem. But every player should be bound by their word on a signed agreement to abide by it.
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    can’t_we_all_just_get_along?
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    19 hours ago
    Serious Question: how closely do you follow the NFL?

    Are you aware of the frequency with which NFL franchises release/cut players with 1 – 2 years still remaining on their contract??? It literally happens all the time, and I do mean ALL THE TIME.

    It always amazes me when fans expect a player to “honor” a contract but seemingly don’t hold NFL owners and franchises to the same expectation.
    ************
    displayname419
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    19 hours ago
    Except NFL contracts are not guaranteed for the most part and players can be cut anytime.
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    Interesting….
    If the team has a non guaranteed contract with a player, then they have a right to cut him anytime?
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    But if a player has a non guaranteed contract, he has no options?
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    It’s a two way street Mofo’s.

  26. Mick June 29, 2021

    Heart warming news——– reported by Michael David Smith on PFTs’ site this am. T.J. Olsen, son of former NFL TE Greg Olsen, is doing surprisingly well just 3 weeks after receiving a heart transplant. Olsen told the Charlotte Observer that T.J. didn’t stay long in the hospital and is now in good shape. “He’s doing good” says Olsen. He’s been home almost 3 weeks and starting to get his strength back, and is being more active. Cheers to the Olsen family!

    1. PF4L June 29, 2021

      Yea…when born, he wasn’t given many years to live. He had to have heart surgeries starting almost directly after birth.
      Why does a newborn have to suffer that, only our creator knows. But Godspeed to this tough kid, i hope he has quality years ahead.
      .
      I always get choked up over this stuff, especially concerning somebody so innocent.

  27. Packtat87 June 29, 2021

    This comment thread devolved pretty quickly into something embarrassing. I can’t believe how many of you have taken sides simply because of ‘he said, she said’ bullshit. It’s like you never left high school or worse, you believe the media. Is there an issue? Undoubtedly. Do we know all the conversations that lead to it? No chance.

    Objectively speaking if Rodgers is upset it shouldn’t be a surprise based on things he’s said he’s wanted, not including any anonymous quotes from fuck all. If the Packers planned to move on from him then that makes sense too. Both perspectives make total sense, an aging QB wanting to stick around longer and a team with a qb at the end of his career wanting to be prepared in case the floor drops out from under him. Just because the wants of the team and the wants of the player don’t align doesn’t mean either of them are wrong. Like Sharpe always says, two things can be true.

    The one thing I don’t like is how many people cling to the contract conversation. It’s hypocrisy at it’s finest. If he restructures to save the team money then he’s not playing his original contract either, technically, but no one cares about that. On the flip side, ask Jared Goff how his contract turned out when we see him this year.

    In conclusion it’s a shit sandwich that all parties cooked up together from two different recipes and all of them, and us, are eating it this year.

  28. PF4L June 29, 2021

    If the Packers plan to move on from him (which was obvious).
    Then why not be decent human beings and talk to and show a bit of respect to that player beforehand?
    That’s called managing.
    They knew how Rodgers would react, and instead of talking to him, they said…fuck it, he can learn what we’re doing when everyone else does.
    Knowing how Rodgers would react, they accepted it, thereby creating it.
    .
    Yes people will take sides, that’s human nature.
    They are not both right in their own interest, they are both wrong in conduct.
    .
    But i”ll side with Rodgers on this issue for two reasons….even though…we don’t know all the personal details
    1) History….The Packers upper management has been dysfunctional for years and years
    When has Rodgers lacked integrity?…When has he lied to us? When has he been dysfunctional?
    .
    2) The same reason nobody that follows football could believe what Gute did in the first round Every talking head and football fan said or thought….Wtf is Gute doing?
    That reason is they were one game away from the SB, so instead of helping the current team, Gute decided to use two draft choices for a player to sit for years.
    Then took 2 non essential players we didn’t really need at the time.
    That draft….did next to nothing improving the current team that year.
    That’s why….the country lost their shit observing Gutes drafting for the future.
    .
    I don’t know which Sharpe you are talking about….
    But Sterling Sharpe is arguably the biggest asshole around when it comes to the Packers.
    When a player holds himself up in a hotel room, and threatens not to play in the season opener the next day, unless he gets a new contract with more money.
    I don’t care how good he was, i wish the Packers would have told him to kick rocks.
    .
    Gil Martin –
    The Green Bay Packers were all set to start the NFL’s 75th anniversary season at home against the Minnesota Vikings when Pro Bowl wide receiver Sterling Sharpe decided he wasn’t happy with his contract and threatened a holdout the night before the game.
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    The Packers were able to reach a deal with Sharpe, but not before Brett Favre said some things that criticized the timing of Sharpe’s holdout and potentially caused turmoil in the Packers locker room.
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    What’s Rodgers biggest sin so far….?
    After 16 years he missed 3 days of mandatory camp and gave Love all the snaps in the world that he needed badly.
    It’s up to Packer Nation…
    Shall we stone him to death, or tie him to a tree in front of a firing squad?

    1. Packtat87 June 29, 2021

      Hello PF4L, been reading your comments for years and have to say I’m more often than not agreeing with you. On this particular subject I agree the brass should have probably talked to Rodgers about the move first. At least given him a 2 minute phone call that said, “Hey, gonna draft this dude, we’ll call ya back after the pick to explain.” Just common courtesy.

      But I still don’t disagree with Love as the pick. Mainly because Rodgers has been banged up a bit over the past few years, collar bone x2 and his leg. We’ve seen what happens with Rodgers out of the line up and if they think Love has something for the future then I can’t really badmouth that. So I don’t consider him completely non essential as much as I do an insurance policy to make sure the team didn’t slip into insignificance if it happened again. The stories that would have emerged from an injured Rodgers and losing season practically write themselves.

      The A.J. Dillon pick I can’t and won’t defend since we barely used him. I did at first when I thought we were going to ride him hard at the end of the season and let others rest, but that obviously wasn’t the case and I don’t have a leg to stand on there. Especially given how the market is for RB’s.

      As far as Rodgers being dysfunctional? Man I use to champion that banner that he was a solid dude. And I’m not saying he’s not now, I don’t know any better than any other fan. All I’m saying is that time after time with former players and stories coming out about how many issues he has with all these people it’s kinda hard to think it’s always everyone else. My dad told me when I was young that if you meet an asshole, you meet an asshole. But if everyone you meet is an asshole then maybe you’re the problem. Again, not laying all the fault on him but I don’t think he’s a rose anymore either. And no, it does not excuse the way the organization handled the pick. But I also don’t know how Rodgers has treated these people since they’ve been in the building.

      And I was talking about Shannon Sharpe. Yes I know he’s goofy and I don’t take much he or Skip say as any kind of truth or law. They’re just entertaining and Shannon reminds me of my father in his mannerisms.

      More than anything I’m just upset about how little we as a fanbase have learned since the Favre divorce and how easily it is to divide us with the “You’re either 100% with me or against me” argument. I believe whole heartedly in your point that “They are not both right in their own interest, they are both wrong in conduct.” That’s all I was getting at with my original post. Cheers man, back to my lurking ways.

      1. PF4L June 29, 2021

        Thanks Pack….i knew i recognized your name, good to see you. The more knowledgeable Packer fans on here, the better.
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        Idk….I get having a competent back up, but this was clearly different. This was a plan to move forward, putting in pieces to execute a exit plan. Which is the Packers right. But why now, why when you are so close and need help on the field?
        Resources spent for the future and for Rodgers exit, made no sense to me, and a lot of others.
        You just don’t get a lot of chances at a shot at the SB, so i’m curious as to why they decided it was better to plan for the future, than putting all your resources onto the field.
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        My guess is, and it’s only a guess. Gute became fascinated with Love in 2019. Whether the decision to move on from Rodgers was already made, or was in it’s planning stages because of Love, idk.
        When i say the decision made. I don’t think anyone would argue that it had to be a group decision, MM, MLF, and Gute.
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        Except for Matt Flynn, the Packers really didn’t have a competent back up QB to win with in case of injury with Rodgers in 13 seasons, So it’s not like it was a priority. It wasn’t essential before, why now all of a sudden? Because, now it’s a priority because he’s integral in their plan to move on from Rodgers.
        As far as Rodgers being injured, the broken clavicles were back in 13 and 17. In the last 3 years Rodgers has started every game.
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        As far as Rodgers reputation, i think 2 or 3 guys said anything bad. Jennings was mad at Rodgers for not using his clout to keep him in Green Bay, and i don’t know what Finleys problem was, or his sister. Driver had a 1 sentence quip about him…big deal.
        That’s easily less than .05 percent of the people who have gone through Green Bay. I’ll trust what Aaron Nagler said about that subject, as that is his world.
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        When i lay blame on Rodgers, it’s only about how he comes off to the public, the fans. What info he “lets” get reported, and his absence in addressing it.
        Rodgers is pulling a power play, no doubt about it. He has an ego the size of California. His confidence is equal to that of James, MJ, Magic, Brady, Bryant (RIP) and other high profile legends. Adding with a helping of arrogance.
        I believe everything Rodgers is doing, comes from spite.
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        I also believe their is a pompous arrogance in upper management at 1265 Lombardi Ave. where they sometimes forget who has buttered their bread for 30 years
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        I mean….Rodgers is very intelligent, with football knowledge greater than most . Would it really be a tragedy if they let him have a voice?
        Not make decisions, but be a partner who can share his thoughts?
        Nope…he was told he’s a player, it’s not his job. Then…the Packers leaked out that Rodgers was told…”Don’t be the problem”.
        Can you see where that might piss Rodgers off?
        That….is the arrogance of the front office.
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        MLF gave Rodgers a voice in the offense, seems to me that worked out pretty well.
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        BTW…i like Shannon Sharpe, but i won’t tune in to it because then i have to look at skip’s face.
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        Enjoy the 4th :)
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  29. PF4L June 29, 2021

    Awhile back i wrote about having guys on your roster, for years that are stagnant and don’t help your team.
    Keeping them too long when they clearly aren’t progressing. They are doing you no good other than filling a roster spot.
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    Without the brain freeze of making a long list, how long are you going to hold on to guys like Oren Burks, or Josh Jackson?
    They cling to them, but why?…Because they are your draft picks? Because they are a 2nd and 3rd round picks?
    Who of us thought Montravius Adams was never going to leave? That only took 4 years and a wasted 3rd round pick.
    How about Jason Spriggs? A wasted 2nd round pick in 2016 that languished here for 4 years.
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    If they can’t help, empty the roster spot and get someone who can at least…offer something.
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    Props to Gute for getting rid of Josh Jones, and especially J’Mon Moore. That’s what you need to do.
    So ya made a mistake, everyone does, the smart GM’s send them packing, the others live with them as mistakes and non productive roster spots. If you think their is hope, that’s what practice squads are for.
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    I read comments recently on Kevin King and how good he is, and how his injuries have affected his play…yadda yadda yadda. The dreaded 4 year long injury.
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    Here’s an eye opener if you give PFF any credibility.
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    Josh Jackson’s high PFF grade has been 60.4
    Kevin Kings has been 62.5
    Meaning…every other year they’ve been graded in the 50’s.
    To put that in perspective..Jaire Alexanders grade last season was 90.5
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    Kevin Kings career average PFF grade is 56.45
    Josh Jackson’s career PFF grade is 57.1
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    I get why Gute re-signed King for 1 year..(insurance). That tells you one thing…no other teams were offering King multiple years, if anything at all. .
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    Props to Gute for picking Alexander.
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    But man…..how many 1st and 2nd round picks did we piss away since 2015, to finally land a decent corner? Holy shit.
    And Gute was there for all of them.
    All eyes on Stokes.
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    The sin wasn’t drafting Kevin King. But as a talent evaluator…the sin was not having a plan B before King became a liability and make no mistake, he became a liability.