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Packers’ Rivals Addressed Their Needs

There was a clear consensus heading into the 2020 draft that the Packers had some serious needs. Experts and fans alike listed wide receiver, inside linebacker, interior defenseman, and offensive tackle as players Green Bay should be going after.

Instead, GM Brian Gutekunst chose a quarterback, running back, and tight end in the early rounds. Bizarre!

How did the Packers’ chief rivals address their needs? For the most part, very well and responsibly.

Kansas City Chiefs

The reigning champs, the Kansas City Chiefs seemed to have their biggest need at running back. Their principal RB was Damien Williams, who went undrafted in 2014, and gained fewer than 500 yards last year. So, the Chiefs, drafting two spots behind the Packers, went out and got LSU running back Clyde Edwards-Helaire.

You might have heard more about “Taylor Swift”: Wisconsin’s Jonathan Taylor and Georgia’s D’Andre Swift. However, I’d say that most mock drafts had Edwards-Helaire as the nation’s top college back in 2019. Among his honors: 2019 LSU Football MVP; 2019 LSU Permanent Team Captain; 2019 All-SEC First Team, Paul Hornung Award Finalist.

Who do you think will be the starting RB in Game 1 for the Chiefs? Kansas City now appears to have a dynamo rushing game to complement the passing brilliance of Patrick Mahomes. Having plugged their roster holes, KC has got to be the prohibitive favorite to repeat as NFL champs.

Minnesota Vikings

The Vikings selected WR Justin Jefferson with the 22nd pick. Many Pack fans and many experts felt that Jefferson was the perfect guy to instantly become the team’s WR2. Where Jefferson was on Gutekunst’s board is something the GM won’t talk about.

Jefferson just had one of the best receiving seasons in LSU history. His 111 receptions was tied for the national lead, and he had 18 TD catches, second best in the country.

But the Vikings were just getting started. They had a second first-round pick, one spot behind the Packers at #31. They Vikes lost two defensive backs going into 2020: veterans Xavier Rhodes and Trae Waynes. Sensibly, they grabbed TCU cornerback Jeff Gladney, who Our Lads has already projected to be the Vikes’ starting right cornerback. Gladney was a First-Team All-Big 12 selection in 2019, and his 15 passes defended led the conference.

Once again, some players the Packers were eyeing landed instead in the enemy’s nest. Offensive tackle Ezra Cleveland was chosen at #58, just a bit before Green Bay got to choose at #62. And with the 132nd pick, Minnesota took Oregon linebacker Troy Dye, another player the Packers were said to be wanting.

With their bounty of 15 draft choices, Minnesota shored up any number of roster spots – they selected 3 cornerbacks, 3 defensive linemen, and 2 WRs, OTs, and safeties. A bunch of pundits have rated the Vikings as having the best draft of the season.

San Francisco 49ers

The best team in the National Football Conference had rock-solid offensive and defensive lineups in 2019 – except that they lost veteran receiver Emmanuel Sanders, their second most productive receiver. The 11-year vet signed a two-year, $16 million contract with the Saints on April 6.

Many Green Bay fans felt Gutekunst would take WR Brandon Aiyuk at pick #30. NFL Executive of the Year GM John Lynch, however, pulled a fast one: he jumped ahead of Green Bay, by moving up from pick #31 to #25, and snatched Aiyuk. Did Gutekunst originally trade up to #26 in order to pick Aiyuk? We’ll probably never know for sure.

Baltimore Ravens

The team with the best record in the AFC was left with the 28th pick. They quickly grabbed a name familiar to Packers diehards: LSU linebacker Patrick Queen. Queen entered his junior year on the watchlist for the Butkus Award (as the nation’s top college linebacker). He finished the regular season with 69 tackles, 8 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks, 5 passes defended, an interception and a fumble recovery. He capped off his college career by being named Defensive MVP of the 2020 College National Championship Game.

Of all the Packers’ weak spots, I identified the two inside linebacker slots, as needs that had to be met if the Packers were to repair their shoddy run defense. Christian Kirksey arguably filled the need created by the departure of Blake Martinez, but Queen could have become the second ILB in the Pack’s next starting lineup, as he was available when the Packers got to choose at #26.

Instead the Packers took the long-term approach in selecting a backup quarterback. RIP Win Now.

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  1. Stiggy April 30, 2020

    Good summary Rob. If possible you may want to add the Niners also used a third round draft pick as a center piece to trade for perennial all-pro tackle Trent Williams. At least we got Josiah Deguara with our 3rd round pick…pretty comparable if you ask me.

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    1. Kato April 30, 2020

      Yeah, a guy that hasn’t played since 2018 and had a torn patellar tendon that year. You are right though, it’s a guarantee that the 320lb 31 year will be perfectly fine coming off that injury. Guarantee, place a Vegas bet on it

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      1. PF4L April 30, 2020

        Actually, for accuracy’s sake, the tendon tear happened in 2017. But that’s not why he hasn’t played since. There has been a lot of internal drama between the Skins and himself that has kept him off the field.
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        The tendon tear was a 5-6 month recovery. Also, lets not pretend the 49ers wouldn’t check him out. Trades are deemed null and void when a physical isn’t passed.
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        The man will be playing

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        1. Howard April 30, 2020

          For accuracy sake the tendon tear occurred in December of 2018.
          Last I heard Funchess has not had his physical and it is possible neither has Williams. Unless someone has heard otherwise?

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        2. Kato April 30, 2020

          PF4L with the loss. I know, you hate the Packers and want them to lose. Admit it.

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          1. PF4L April 30, 2020

            Kato….We’re talking about Trent Williams, not the Packers, try to stay focused.
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            OK…OK…OK….Let it be known, IF i’m wrong (and i am occasionally) it is worth it if it can bring a little joy to Kato’s life. But that is only…..if i’m wrong.
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            For accuracy’s sake the tendon tear actually happened in 2017. When it happened, and when he had surgery are two different things.
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            https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2655495-trent-williams-placed-on-ir-due-to-knee-injury-expected-to-have-surgery.
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            ” He missed time last season with thumb, knee and rib injuries. The previous year, he played through a torn patellar tendon, then had surgery after the season.” – Ian Rapoport
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            If physicals haven’t been passed the trade isn’t complete. Trades are deemed null and void when a physical isn’t passed.

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      2. stiggy April 30, 2020

        Speaking of Vegas…Cesars sportsbook…Packers 8.5 wins. Do you take the over or the under?

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    2. PF4L April 30, 2020

      The best thing about Deguara is….at 6’2″ 240lbs. We won’t be hearing the words…mismatch nightmare.

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      1. PF4L April 30, 2020

        Maybe tweaner, but certainly not mismatch.

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  2. Kato April 30, 2020

    Has anyone considered the fact that it is hard for a WR to contribute year one? Especially in an off-season like this one where it is unlikely that there will be much of an off-season with OTAs and a preseason? Or they may not even have a regular season? Who has a better chance of contributing? A rookie 2nd tier unknown or Devin Funchess, a veteran who has played in the NFL for 5 years and has experience playing against NFL defenses? I know what I would bet on. Or a pair of guys that have been in LaFleur’s system for one off-season already?

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    1. PF4L April 30, 2020

      Lemme guess…you would bet on the guy who catches 51.8% of his targets?
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      Let me run some by you…..you have a guy, a 2nd round pick in 2015, 6’4″ 230 lbs who is only 25 years old. After getting 10 million last year for catching 3 passes, ever wonder why this free agent could only net a 2.5 mill/contract, with only 1 million guaranteed? That’s the best a veteran, tall wide receiver can do?
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      Funchballz broke his collarbone Sept 8th. Ever wonder why they never brought him back on the field that season?
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      Sometimes you have to look at the big picture my man.

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      1. Kato April 30, 2020

        Yeah, catching balls from a guy that has completed less than 60% of his throws. To take it from a wise man I once heard, look at the big picture

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        1. PF4L April 30, 2020

          It’s Newton’s fault….got it.

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          1. PF4L April 30, 2020

            I’ll assume your mind went blank on the other questions i asked.

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          2. Kato April 30, 2020

            I will assume you ignored my points/questions because you hate the Packers and would like to see them fail because you love Rodgers’ ****

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          3. Kato April 30, 2020

            You sound like a Democrat talking about victimhood….

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          4. MMSUCKS May 2, 2020

            I call bullshit on that generalization . . .

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          5. Kato April 30, 2020

            Rodgers has never had top receivers, never had great offensive linemen, ect. You sound like a damned millennial. Rodgers had a chance to return to the super bowl in 2014 and fucking failed to put it nicely. Nor did he give his team much of a chance in the 2016 and 2019 NFC championships by putting up first half goose eggs in both games

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          6. PF4L May 2, 2020

            “Rodgers had a chance to return to the super bowl in 2014 and fucking failed to put it nicely.”
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            What game were you watching?

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    2. Stephen April 30, 2020

      Having even more experience, than Devin Funchess, will be our own group of wide receivers, who now have one year of that valuable experience, in Matt LaFleur’s new, and fresh system. Few people realize this apparently, and figure that we had to draft a young and completely new receiver, as our own picks of just the past couple of years, just wouldn’t be as good in having a year in, as a brand new boy, who hasn’t got his nose wet yet. Because we drafted a quarterback, that many considered the best in the draft, quite likely, given time to learn in Green Bay, under Aaron Rodgers, we have drafted unwisely, and the Packers franchise has been ruined for the next 50 years or so. None of our new free agent signings, have any potential whatsoever, and after having one season together, the Head Coach & GM should be immediately executed. My, My, how glum it is, them darn Vikings, Chiefs, 49er’s and other clubs, that are all tight under the cap, got all these great new players, and apparently don’t have worries at all about having to lose many of their veterans, or having to pay them huge raises to their respective quarterbacks, and 4 year players in the near future. They are going to walk all over the Packers, from now till kingdom come.
      Yes, Indeed, this is a real tear-jerker … 😭

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      1. Stiggy April 30, 2020

        Ok “stephen” let me show you a trick so we can actually read your posts. This isnt your fault but the site is lacking proper formatting so you must do it yourself.

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        Notice my use of lines to break up my writing and make it so the reader doesnt want to rip their eyeballs out of their eye sockets.

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        As you can see you can use a multitude of symbols to break your paragraphs up.

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        Such as that.

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        1. PF4L April 30, 2020

          You read his post?

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        2. Steve May 1, 2020

          Thanks, (&) I’m getting old, and (&) I don’t think clearly all the time, so it helps to learn new things. You’re a good shit ! 😁

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    3. Deepsky May 1, 2020

      I would have liked to have seen the Packers take a receiver with the 2nd round pick, not sure which receiver. That being said, any rookie receiver would not have a big impact as Rodgers would never throw to a rookie receiver and any rookie receiver would be eased into the game. Adams first two years he had less than 500 yards receiving. Jordy Nelson had less than 400 yards his first two years. MVS had better stats than either Adams or Nelson his first two years, he had a slump last year, but a lot of people were demanding Adams be cut after two years, he could pick things back up.

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      1. Steve May 1, 2020

        That’s good perception, and why I have hopes for our receivers taking a bigger jump. They really have only 1 year, when you look at it, as playing under LaFleur’s system. It seems that some are expecting too much out of them, when they don’t consider that they started under Mike McCarthy. To be more reasonable here then, we didn’t really have as pressing a need for another wide receiver. We have them here already. LaFleur wants to pound the rock, and he took a back, that I think can help with both that, and a bit of receiving out of the backfield. I do wish that we could have maybe gotten more help with the run stuffer on defense. But I’m hopeful that while the draft doesn’t look good to many of us on paper, or by the anayalists, that the GM and HC had a plan.
        So what if Aaron isn’t required to work as hard, carrying the offense on his back. If the new offense took us to 13-3 in this first year, taking baby steps, who is to say that it won’t go about that far or maybe better, after getting some of the kinks worked out? Certainly there must be room for a little optimism. 🤔

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  3. Kato April 30, 2020

    I learn so much from you guys. I guess I know not to tune into Packers football this season because they have zero chance of winning anything. They went 4-0 without Davante Adams last year, but who cares!!!!!!????

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    1. PF4L April 30, 2020

      ,,,and, you’re very welcome.
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      Sometimes it’s just nice to hear someone from here that’s grateful, and isn’t afraid to acknowledge it.

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    2. Savage57 May 1, 2020

      I’d been coming here to comment and tear that pedantic prig E. Wolf a new asshole on the regular for a long time
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      I stopped because it’s turned into TotalPissandMoan.

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      1. Cheese May 1, 2020

        Oh Wolfie… what a character. I kinda miss the little guy. I wonder if he’ll start a petition to keep Rodgers out of the Packer HOF if he goes and plays for the Bears in a few years.

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        1. PF4L May 2, 2020

          Lol…….i remember that….Savage schooled that boy pretty good, but i think we all did.

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  4. Skinny April 30, 2020

    You gotta love the Packers new and improved ILB room. Not one guy can you count on for a full season and not one isnt dealing with an injury. Not one. Even the guy they drafted. Is Clay still available?

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    1. stiggy April 30, 2020

      Is this the year Gary’s labrum goes? Seems like a perfect season for that.

      Gary gets off to a hot start 2-3 sacks and a ff over the first 3 games. Then…pop goes the labrum and he never returns to the form from those 3 games.

      However we get to listen to mindless fans talk about how great he is for the next 4 years as he struggles to get on the field.

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      1. Kato April 30, 2020

        That would be the Packers luck, especially since they had unreal luck this past year with injuries

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      2. PF4L April 30, 2020

        To get off to a hot start, the first trick is being on the field. we’ll see how the brain trust handle’s that this season.
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        My guess is they come up with a strategically devised winning formula for 2022, the year they plan on outsmarting and beating the 49ers.

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        1. Steve May 1, 2020

          Having not been in the playoffs, and getting early round picks for years, has really helped the 49er’s back on their feet.
          What remains to be seen yet, is so many of their young core, will soon be do for big raises. Players like Trent Williams don’t come cheap either. The window may be open now, but the window may start to close, or slam shut, here shortly.

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      3. Deepsky May 1, 2020

        I worry that Gutekunst gets enamored with these players and over pays for them, ignoring college performance. Case in point, Rashan Gary. Now he talks about Jordan Love with similar phrases, though Jordan had a bad season. If Gary is a bust, that was a huge wasted pick because Gutekunst got fixated on a player.

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        1. PF4L May 2, 2020

          Gute has a lot riding on Gary and Love, like his career.
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          But in a strange way, drafting Love may or may not buy Gute some time and possible extension.
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          If Love plays in, lets say 2022. that will the 5th year of his 5 year contract.

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  5. Howard May 1, 2020

    PF4L, Kato is correct in his first sentence above Williams “hasn’t played since 2018 and had a torn Patellar tendon”. In fact if reports are correct Williams had off-season surgery for the tendon at seasons end 2018.
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    https://wtkr.com/2019/04/01/redskins-left-tackle-trent-williams-recovering-from-health-scare/
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    You are also correct that Williams had knee issues in 2017. According to Williams Wikipedia site he had surgery for the Patella kneecap, and that was in Williams words. Maybe Williams shattered or broke his knee cap during the season? Williams specifically mentioned he “had never broke a bone”, when discussing the upcoming surgery. Not sure if that means tendon surgery or a tendon issue. It appears, if all accounts are correct that Williams had surgery in the 2017 and 2018 off seasons to try and correct some problem with his Patellar tendon (2018) and kneecap area (2017). That to me would be a little more concerning than just one surgery. The one good thing for Williams and SF is it appears the tendon never ruptured.
    I feel bad about Williams and the tumor, because I know from experience tumors are serious. I would have concerns about Williams recent injury and health issues, and I think you would also if he was going to be a Packer.
    I have another beef with Williams. I think Williams is the tackle that let Nick Perry beat him like a rented mule in the 2015 season playoff game propelling Perry to mucho big Packer dollars.
    Sometime in the near future we need to discuss your complete 180 this year on after draft grades from pundits, and the same with crowning draft picks before they ever set foot on an NFL field. I know you are upset, but please stay consistent. This is from someone who use to agree, for the most part, with your position on draft picks and draft grades. This year if it’s not the Packers then your core principal on those two items have been thrown out the window, or Go 49ers.

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    1. Kato May 1, 2020

      °°°°°

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    2. PF4L May 1, 2020

      :)…Ok look….I don’t want to get into an internet blog pissing match about William’s knee. There is enough info on him to look up and see there is some gray area about it. The good news is that nobody died. I suppose we could continue looking it up and looking for the how, where, when and why i just don’t give a fuck anymore. But take my word for it.
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      I’m going to take the heat, and just say i’m wrong. Then we can have some real life proud winners in this. I’m comfortable with that because it seems like 99.8% of the content i right, goes unchallenged. Maybe that’s why such joy is taken if it’s thought i’m wrong. Well it’s time for those to celebrate, life is good :)
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      Now…lets touch on your other problem. In the past, i’ve said i hated when fans crown players that haven’t proven themselves. If a rookie has 3 sacks in his first 4 games, he will be crowned. Randall and Rollins made some splash plays their first season, there was a ton of crowning going on. Sternberger caught a TD pass in the playoffs, there was some crowning going on. Kumerow made some nice catches….lets crown him. I’ve also never agreed with draft grades before they even play a down in the NFL.
      Any draft grades i’ve brought up, scouting quotes, were used to illustrate other points. they were used to make a point, a point some dullards can’t seem to understand. The point wasn’t whether the Packer draft picks were going to work out and be good players, the point WAS they weren’t picks on helping the team now. J. C. how many times have i said that now? I wrote about the consensus of the Packers draft grades to illustrate that point. The draft grades reflected the Packers desire to build for the future. All i wrote about directly after the draft, was about drafting for the future, vs now.
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      For the love of God, this isn’t understood yet? Now, listen close……. if you found anything else that you construed hypocritical in my statements, no need to tell me so you get your “gotchya” moment. Because i don’t want to have to explain myself again. Just simply pat yourself on the back, and maybe have a cookie. I have been here 9 years and i’m the poster child of consistency Sparky.
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      Have a nice Day :)

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      You want to talk about doing a 180? Read your post from the first 2 days to now. that i would call a 180.

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      1. Howard May 1, 2020

        Why do you always have to start belittling people when you don’t agree with them? I’ve noticed that over the years.
        Sparky? have a cookie? Where does that type of shit come from? So I’ve been here about 8 years, what’s your point? You have also let me know how long you have been a Packer fan and advised me I could kiss your ass. I’ve been a Packer fan since 1962. Who the fuck cares except you.
        Sure be upset about everything Packers. You are one of the most pessimistic Packer fan I have ever read, but I guess that is probably because if you preach doom and gloom in the NFL you have a better chance of being correct, as only one team wins it all each year. There is a much better chance that things will go wrong than win a Super Bowl. Then you are correct.
        I don’t know what the 180 I’ve done is except I was sick over the Love pick, and I don’t mention it every comment? I don’t need to harp on the Love pick every post, even though I’m still sick over it, because of what it potentially means to Rodgers future with the Packers. I made my comment and that is that, no need to belabor the point in every comment.
        I can have my opinion about the other picks and the overall draft and they can be different than yours, if that is O.K with you.
        I pointed out some positive things about the Packers second and third round picks, is that what bothers you? You pointed out some positive things about SF’s first and second round picks. You said in part I think Kinlaw is an animal, and don’t pretend Aiyuk can’t outperform Sanders numbers. Last I checked both of those guys have not stepped a foot on an NFL field, but they have been crowned by PF4L. You are probably correct about both, but Kinlaw is rated as a boom bust player, and Aiyuk could be a starter in 2 year, and should be a good #3. That according to NFL draft profiles. Sure crown the 49ers picks and belittle any longtime Packer fan who would dare to suggest the positives of a Packer pick(s)?
        You have a nice day to.

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        1. Kato May 1, 2020

          Such is life with PF4L. He sounds like a Democrat. Any opinion that isn’t his should be ridiculed. Look, I value a lot of insights on this board, including PF4L, Howard, Cheese, stiggy, ect. But sorry, when I think you are off base or wrong, I will debate you. Nothing out there says that the Packers won’t compete for a title this year. You literally never know how things will turn out until they happen. I get sick of the everlasting pessimistic bullshit. Should we constantly view our team through Rose colored glasses? Hell no. But for God’s sake, some of you people are just ridiculous. One out of 32 teams win the super bowl each year. Reaching it is incredibly difficult. Go be a fucking 49ers fan then if you love talking about their moves so much you pussy. Nothing is stopping you from turning in your Packers fandom card. I will repeat what I said before. No one foresaw James Starks, Bryan Bulaga, Sam Shields, and Andrew Quarless being key pieces to winning a super bowl their rookie years. Let’s stop with the bullshit about the Packers management wanting to sabatoge Rodgers because they hate him. Because that seems like an awfully dumb thing to do when your ass (and livlihood) are on the line. Packers fans are literally the worst in the NFL I have decided

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          1. PF4L May 1, 2020

            I was speaking with Howard, but if you need to interject for some attention, i understand. Nothing is stopping you from skipping my post and not reading them.
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            You repeat whatever you’d like. It’s fitting because your like the neighbors little yapping dog who can’t stop yelping for attention.

            I will debate you also Kato, when you learn how to debate, and i deem it worth my time.
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            BTW…calling me a pussy…..that’s just hurtful.

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          2. MMSUCKS May 2, 2020

            Kato, your CONFLATING of being a Democrat with what PF4L is writing is BULLSHIT. For you to even suggest this shows that you have been INCULCATED into the machine of the right-wing crap. Get the fuck off of your absolutely absurd misunderstanding of who most Democrats are, because you are fucking wrong. IGNORANCE pisses me off PERIOD. Go back to talking football, at least you you have a modicum of awareness about that topic.

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        2. PF4L May 1, 2020

          I preach Green Bay Packer reality, both positive, and negative. It isn’t up to me whether i’m a pessimist, or an optimist, i comment on the team and what i see. If the Packers want to draft a player at #12 and put him on the bench because they have no where else to put him. then yes …that’s what i’ll talk about. If the Packers want to give up on a season after spending a ton of cash on free agents, then yes …that’s what i’ll talk about. If the Packers want to give up on the season after giving Rodgers more money than God, then yes ….that’s what i’ll talk about. If the Packers want to draft a QB to play sometime in the next 2 or 3 years and give up a 4th round pick to do so, then yes ….that’s what i’ll talk about. If the Packers want to say they picked Love because he just…fell to them, but i have evidence that says otherwise, then yes … that’s what i’ll talk about. If i think the Packers gave up on Rodgers and the current team, and most of the Nation agree’s with me, then yes….that’s what i’ll talk about. Since 2012 to present, if the Packers front office dysfunction and player acquisition ineptitude has resulted in major disappointments and embarrassment for the Green Bay Packers, then yes….i’m gonna talk about it.

          As always, i stand by my post..Packer Fan 4 Life.

          I will, it’s a beautiful day in Wisconsin, thank you my friend :)

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        3. Kato May 1, 2020

          Howard, if i could love your comment like on Facebook, I would. I value your take on things above every other commenter here. You are the bomb, and I hope you are staying safe right now, this board needs you, and I value your input on everything Packers, it means a lot.

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          1. PF4L May 1, 2020

            Howard, if i could hug you to show you i still love you…i would.

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  6. Kato May 1, 2020

    Some of your wives must hate you with your constant complaining. Seriously. PF4L and MMsucks wives must seriously hate them with the constant complaining, resentment, and pessimistic attitudes

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      1. PF4L May 1, 2020

        Kato…are you guessing, or guaranteeing you know what goes on with our wives in our house?
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        Maybe try to keep it football instead of calling people pussy’s and taking uninformed shots at their marriage and home life on a football blog.

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        1. Kato May 1, 2020

          Look. I am sorry. But I am fucking sick of you being a constant negative force on the board. It gets old. Being the fan of a team is supposed to be a hobby, enjoyable. I am not saying it should be all roses. But you take it to a whole new level with your negativity. And I am sick of your shit to be honest. You act like the Packers owe Rodgers the world. The reality is they have compensated him with a quarter of a billion dollars. If you want to be such a bitch and suck the dick of the 49ers franchise, then be a fucking 49ers fan. Seriously. We are sick of your bullshit. You are being a bitch

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          1. Kato May 1, 2020

            It sucks. PF4L, I honestly value a lot of your takes on things. But you have honestly been ridiculous lately. Why are you even a Packers fan? Honest question. You are the most miserable person I have ever talked to about the Packers. Literally you sound like you hate your fucking life. You sound like a Rodgers fan, not a Packers fan. Which is the same shit I accused people of being when Rodgers took over and people were Favre loyalists

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          2. PF4L May 2, 2020

            No..you’re not sorry, we’ve had talks before about you making things up. You do that, then you tell other people to grow up, or you call them a “bitch”. Who’s really the little bitch?
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            You seem extremely unhinged and upset. May i suggest contacting J P and airing your grievances to him.
            I don’t know if he’ll care, but you could always tell your problems to Jesus.
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          3. Ferris May 2, 2020

            Who’s WE?

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          4. PF4L May 2, 2020

            Yea, i had the same question. I guess he’s the spokesman for everyone

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    2. Ferris May 1, 2020

      Kato…Shut up.
      This is football talk. No wives, no politics. If you are messing around with someone ok…but no real attacks.
      Here is an example…Hey Kato, I’ll bet you live in your parents basement and your only friend is your right hand. See guy talk. Keep wives a nd politics out of it…idiot.
      Like this…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74I7Nl1mKig

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      1. Kato May 1, 2020

        Yeah, I don’t live in my parents basement. Fuck right off you piece of shit

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        1. PF4L May 2, 2020

          Atta boy

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        2. Ferris May 2, 2020

          See a personal attack. That was a joke example….geez sensitive.

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    3. MMSUCKS May 2, 2020

      Kato, I have known my wife since 1973. She and I both graduated college and have 6 kids. Our kids all Love us and we both have many friends who love us AND ME. My wife agrees with most everything I say about the Packers, and thinks that there are too many “homers” who would rather lick the balls of Mark Murphy than push back. She also thinks that many of you are boobs! and dolts who cannot see the problem until it smacks you in the face (this would also apply to your nascent level in politics)! In other words she also believes that you are a dolt for conflating PF4L’s attitude with Democrats. I have been a Packer fan since the early ’60’s. I have been through the ’70’s-’80’s Packer horror. I see many moves (ignorant, btw) from this Packers’ brain trust. I called the slow decent into the cellar for the TT/MM regime. I saw it coming way before most did. AND YOU KNOW IT. The problem with people that can sometimes see things a bit more clearly is that they are often derided for it.

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      Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.
      A. Einstein

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      That could also easily apply to the many Packer sites that derided me and others for seeing this debacle start to happen towards the end of Favre’s career.

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      Go lick the Green Hornets ball’s Kato. Stay in YOUR lane.

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  7. Ed May 1, 2020

    I’m sick of Kato’s “He sounds like a Democrat”.
    I read TP, in part, to get away from all the politics.
    Makes him sound like an idiot.

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    1. Kato May 1, 2020

      Lol ok bro

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      1. MMSUCKS May 2, 2020

        Fuck you Kato

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        1. Kato May 2, 2020

          Right back at you bud.

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          1. MMSUCKS May 3, 2020

            Question, why did you NOT answer my other posts directed your way? Too difficult for you?

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  8. Skinny May 1, 2020

    Dan Patrick was talking yesterday that the Pack should have traded for Hopkins. Yeah, no shit sure lock. That was month and a half ago news.

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  9. Empacador May 1, 2020

    I was going to comment earlier, but am glad I read the thread first. Nice to see others don’t enjoy the politics bullshit, especially in the current political climate. I certainly enjoy reading the views of many posters here. That’s why I come to the site more than any other. People here don’t sugar coat and pretend everything is always positive. The Packers make mistakes and will continue to make mistakes. Personally, I think Ron Wolf not hiring Andy Reid was a huge mistake that could have altered the Packer course of history tremendously. But that was like 22 years ago.

    Sure, some of us bitch and dwell on things way longer than we should; I still bitch about McCarthy because he has irked me since 2009 and he’s been gone like 18 months. PF4L still bringing up Jeff Janis (tires anyone?). Wasn’t it skinny who was always bringing up signing some headcase primadonna wide receiver like AB? (Sorry in advance if that wasn’t you skinny.) MM**** (and all the derivatives) has beat the dead horse that is his disdain for Packer executive management to no end. We can probably find redundancies in everyone that might be considered a “regular” here. And that doesn’t have to be someone that frequently posts either. You get the point. Old habits die hard.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m old enough to remember the shitty decades of the 70’s and 80’s. Time goes by quick like the last 28 years. The Packers being blessed with a 3rd consecutive HoF QB? I heard enough shit on Hundley to know I’m not buying any of the Jordan Love hype simply because the Packers drafts the last 10 years have pretty much been nothing BUT hype. The surprise of last year’s Packers doing what they did under a first year head coach would be nothing compared to a 3rd consecutive HoF QB. My gut tells me we are closer to being scorned and the laughing stock of the NFL in the not too distant future rather than in contention year after year. Someday people will look back on this period of Packer history and realize just how inept and under achieving they were. When players from other teams are threatened with being traded to Green Bay once again. How the days of 8-8 and 9-7 look good.

    We didn’t have the internet back then to immerse ourselves in and share our misery with other hard luck fans on precisely how our favorite team was so woefully inept. For me, I’d rather come here for unvarnished truth and opinions from other Packer fans without all the fluffy bullshit. It’s been nice not having douchebags like “Killer” and other assclowns like Dave the Lions fan from rival teams coming in here spouting off their bullshit. Nobody values their opinions or their bullshit propaganda. I don’t want to waste my time reading other sites where the top posters are denigrating anyone that isn’t considered a regular and doesn’t conform to the herd mentality. But lately this site is kind of devolving into that same shit. Calling people pussies or Democrats because they don’t agree with what another person thinks? Taking shots at their wives/families? Unless they were the “enemy” (or named E.Wolf) this site has pretty much been better than that.

    Sorry for the long post. Take from it what you will. Stay safe out there people. Peace!

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    1. MMSUCKS May 2, 2020

      Hi Empacador, Missed seeing your words in here. You have always had good insight. I have refrained (until this thread for the most part) from going after petty BS from people as I used to do more often. (tilting at windmills as they say). Kato went below the bar (or is that Barr? ;)) on this thread. I guess that some people cannot live with themselves very easily right now and have to lash out at others. Whatever the issue(s), I thank you for calling them out . . .

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      Stay safe. Trusting that you will be coming back to give all of us your valued opinions. Peace to you as well.

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      1. Kato May 2, 2020

        Yeah, and you know why? I am sick of the constant negative crap here. Everyone acts like Gutekunst went to their house and shot their family dog. Go be the fan of another team if you just want to constantly complain about the team. For real. It is always a glass half empty with you. Fact of the matter is, the Packers have been the most successful team in the NFL the past 25 years besides the Patriots. Only the colts and Steelers can compare to the Packers level of success. My God, you know how many fans of other teams would sell their first born child for the Packers success the past 25 years? Ask a Bengals fan, a browns fan, a dolphins fan, a chiefs fan (although they are on the upswing it appears). Packers fans are the most entitled brats I have ever seen, comparable to St Louis Cardinals fans. If I wasn’t a Packers fan, I would view them as the worst fan base in the NFL, completely ungrateful for the long-term success and great players that have played for the team the past three decades.
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        I would figure, in a time like this where over a thousand people are dying each day from a pandemic, where people are appreciating the small things in life, spending more time with their immediate family, that people would start looking at things in a more positive light, that maybe things aren’t as bad as they seem. We may not even see football played this year. And I am honestly ok with that. I love football, love watching, coaching, loved playing. I love talking about it. But it just isn’t that important right now and getting bent out of shape because you think your team drafted the wrong players is silly.

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        1. MMSUCKS May 3, 2020

          So, following YOUR posit, you expect me to do THE OPPOSITE of what you did, which was to go after me (including my family life) unwarranted because you are mad at me for expressing my opinion? Which was, and has been very much on track for the last 7-8 years? just because the team had a great year last year is not reason for me to stop calling out Gutekunst for going against his own statement of; “going all in” for this period in the Packers immediate needs. an obvious breach of his own words. My glass is NOT half empty btw, I am just making observations and comments of egregious errors that I see in this New GM’s own press conference statements REGARDING HIS PROTOCOL that he is NOT FOLLOWING. I believe that he abandoned his approach for the next year, and is not being truthful to the Packer fans. So, you are merely deflecting for your own “silly” reasons. While also “getting bent out of shape” at me! . . . For “getting bent out of shape” for something THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED? Go sit in the corner you recalcitrant wannabe authoritarian! I am expressing an opinion! Based on what occurred! Not ordering you to adhere to MY OPINION! Which btw, you seem to be wanting me to do for yours;
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          One, by telling me to stop enjoying expressing my opinion about the “Brain Trust” in Green Bay (which has NOTHING TO DO with the Packer players which really IS the team that I love and cheer for).
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          Two, TELLING me to find another team to cheer for?
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          I believe that you lack tolerance. You may need to look into this. Last time I checked, NONE OF US has much sway over what the “Brain Trust” does! However, it is fun bitching, speculating and even cheering about it. THIS is all we can do! You may not have the requisite capabilities needed to play well with others.
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          Shame on you for Conflating this HORRIBLE Covid-19 debacle with your reasoning of mellowing out about my personal, useless (as are everyone else’s!) opinions about a football team? (because that is what all of our opinions really are!) Which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with anything regarding love, family and health? It is just a game! I love to have fun with it. It is a release PERIOD! And not to use this site as a release valve to vent with other like minded people? That actually see the people at 1265 Lombardi blow this teams potential each and every year? Isn’t that what this site is really for? Is this not more of an irreverent site? One that is antithetical to the homer, Pollyanna crowd? Last time I checked it was . . . Deal with it.

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          1. PF4L May 4, 2020

            If i recall, everyone gave Gute praise for picking up an extra first round pick. If i recall, everyone gave Gute praise for signing the Smith Bothers.
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            Should we then not discuss the moves he made that didn’t work out, or his moves that were foolish on it’s face? Should we refrain from discussing such things as to not hurt anyone’s feelings?
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            The point is, you make good moves, you receive acknowledgment. You make bad moves, they are also acknowledged. Most people describe that as…Reality…Deal with it.
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            When people get negative on Rodgers. I either agree, or in most cases, i try to refute their points with counterpoints. I can remember back years ago, one yelping dog saying we should bench Rodgers and start Hundley. I made points to counter argue that logic. but my powers of persuasion only go so far. even i can’t fix stupid.
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            At the end of the day, anything that happens that is factual, is fair game to talk about, whether positive or negative. At the end of the day, if you don’t like what is written, or how often it is written. Then reach into your intellect and debate their facts of statement. If you don’t agree, then make your case. Don’t….throw a hissy fit…attack their family….make up lies trying to manipulate how others view them. Or tell people to go find a new team, or bring politics into it.
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            This site…contains a lot of highly intelligent Packer fans who do their own thinking, are able to debate facts. Even the smartest Packer fan in here learns from others people’s viewpoints. But that is only achieved through critical thinking. We are a unique group of Packer fans, in a VERY unique website that we all appreciate for obvious reasons.
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            You usually receive the same amount of respect you give. Occasionally, we lose sight of that, including myself. I don’t know if i could pick better fans too hang out in a blog than with most of you.
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            Appreciate what we have here, and lets show this site the respect it deserves.
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          2. MMSUCKS May 4, 2020

            Exactly! This site allows honest discourse and allows things to play out. Having seen enough of the Pollyanna sites with their shaming, authoritarian, bee-hive mentality makes me WANT to find another team . . . One with less homers and more reality. I was very happy with how last year played out. However, as many of us discussed in here towards the end of last season was the general consensus that we were fortunate (and thankful) for where we were headed, but realized more than anything that we were at least a few quality players away from the Super Bowl. Hence, our disdain for how this draft went this year. Will the draft work out? Who knows! but will it help for this year? Perhaps Dillon will help. The rest? Not so much (maybe Jon Runyan). If anything may help it will be the people that were NOT drafted, but came in through free agency, and a few of our 3rd year and 2nd year players that are in development.

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  10. PF4L May 1, 2020

    …and Janis will continue to be brought up because i had to endure 2-3 years of comments and articles about how good he is, how good he could be. About how Rodgers hates him. about he doesn’t play because McCarthy wants to ruin his career. Blah bah blah blah.
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    Hell, there were articles and comments calling for Adams to be cut, and how Janis doesn’t get the opportunities because McCarthy hates him. Just drowning in all that shit. I’ll spare you the Julio Jones comparison.
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    So i said (and i can find them) first of all, they see potential in Adams and that’s why they keep giving him targets. One of the rare times i backed McCarthy, which i did when deserved. I just thought the whole premise of anyone hating Janis, or anyone was trying to ruin him, was, and is, idiotic. So i kept saying, we’ll see what he does after Green Bay, i predicted he’d be out of the NFL as i trusted his scouting reports because they fit him perfectly. So yea, i make jokes about him and probably will continue to do so, But i’m going to come clean about something…i bought new tires last fall for winter.

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    1. Empacador May 1, 2020

      I used you, myself, and others as examples. I know how you operate, you’re very consistent and not afraid to say it like it is. It’s all good brother. P.S. I need some tires soon. Any suggestions? :)

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      1. PF4L May 1, 2020

        I was cool with all that…i needed something to write about, it was between that or how the Packers were going to decimate the 49ers next January in the playoffs. I figured Janis was easier to explain.
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        Don’t overpay with those stand alone tire stores, unless of course, money isn’t a big thing. Other than that, always wear a mask, and wash your hands all the time and pray we can get back to living life again….soon.

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  11. PF4L May 1, 2020

    “Let’s stop with the bullshit about the Packers management wanting to sabatoge Rodgers because they hate him” – Kato to PF4L
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    NO….lets stop with your BULLSHIT……Kato has this bad habit, of talking for others, putting words in their mouths that isn’t true, at all.
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    That quote above illustrates that. I’ve said the Packers gave up on Rodgers, on this team, by drafting for the future and not going after pieces they need. I never said the word sabotage, and i have never said the Packers hate him, as he would have you believe. that’s how he tries to make you look bad. he’ll make things up when he feels he has to. There is no honor in that
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    If ANYONE….ANYONE, wants to show me anywhere where i stated the Packers hate Rodgers and want to SABOTAGE him, SHOW IT TO ME. If that can’t be done, then please STFU and try acting like an adult.
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    It’s like Janis, all over again.

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    1. Kato May 1, 2020

      You haven’t been an adult in days…

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    2. Kato May 1, 2020

      They gave up on Rodgers because they didn’t take a 1st round WR? Adorable. They signed Devin Funchess. Tried trading for Robbie Anderson and signing Emmanuel Sanders. The price was too high for both. But from the same guy that bitches about people being overpaid constantly, here we are. Good. Fucking. God. You are right. All is lost. Don’t even bother following the Packers. Be a 49ers fan. Fucking pussy

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      1. Kato May 1, 2020

        Seriously. Don’t be a Packers fan. You have zero interest in being one. Don’t let the door hit your sore ass on the way out. Enjoy your 49ers fandom. They have won 0 super bowls since 95 and the Packers have won 2

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  12. Kato May 1, 2020

    It’s entirely possible that I am cranky from being locked inside my house. But for fuck sake. You people are awful. The worst kind of fans. You people are why I hate sports sometimes. You have no idea how to appreciate anything

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    1. Empacador May 3, 2020

      It isn’t a lack of appreciation. It’s knowing what could have been as one realizes the end is near. I’d love to be considered one of the “worst kind of fan” if the Packers had been to 10 Superbowls since 1992. I mean the Patriots have been to 9 since what, 2000? The “It’s so HARD, only 1 team wins every year” excuse didn’t really seem to apply to the Patriots did it? Why not the Packers?

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  13. Ferris May 2, 2020

    OK children play nice! Most of us are probably adults, but still laugh at farts and people getting hit in the balls. One more thing to blame Packers Management for…fights between fans on this site. Take a 10 count and shake virtual hands. But be sure you tell the other person after you shake hands that you just scratched your balls with that hand.
    I’ll start…I’m sorry if I offended anyone, I just can’t help it when people say WE and US when talking about a team. I think that’s stupid. I also can’t stand when people use the wrong form of your and you’re. Whew! I feel better, I just farted.

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    1. PF4L May 2, 2020

      Fuck him, he’s been pulling this shit for years.

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      1. PF4L May 2, 2020

        The Packers have been running this team into the ground for almost a decade, and no F I B is going to tell me i can’t talk about it

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        1. Ferris May 2, 2020

          Ok handshake is off. Carry on.

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        2. Kato May 2, 2020

          Running the team into the ground? Not winning the super bowl is the same thing as running the team into the ground? That’s, interesting to say the least. Haven’t they reached three NFC title games in that period? Have the saints been running their organization into the ground because they haven’t won a super bowl since 2009?

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    2. Kato May 2, 2020

      I farted. It smells pretty bad. But not as bad as the pure hatred for this organization right now.

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  14. PF4L May 2, 2020

    Kato May 1, 2020
    You haven’t been an adult in days…
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    Kato May 1, 2020
    Fucking pussy

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    1. Kato May 2, 2020

      You told me like 5 times to take a nap lmao. Yeah, you are being an adult. Have you bought your 49ers flag for your trailer yet?

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      1. PF4L May 3, 2020

        The 49er colors clash with the color of my trailer, so no.
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        Can i ask a question now….
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        Do you eventually stop whining? I mean…even a baby cry’s itself out.

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  15. PF4L May 3, 2020

    When i said Kato has pulled this shit for years……
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    PF4L February 15, 2017
    Kato….I said having an elite QB will get you in the playoffs, i didn’t say it wins championships.
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    But then again, were getting used to you posting lies in here like a little bitch.
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    Stop making up lies and speaking for others if they didn’t really say something you posted they said, then…and maybe then, you’ll receive a little respect.
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    I told you awhile back, you act like a little bitch, you’ll get treated like a little bitch.
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    It was your choice. so G F Y.

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