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The Dilemma that Jonathan Taylor Poses

It’s hours from the start of the draft, and I’m panicking.

I’ve noted the groundswell of support for Jonathan Taylor, who so many Wisconsin residents and Badger fans would like to see wearing the green and gold. Several mock drafts indicate Taylor will still be available when Green Bay goes on the clock at #30.

I’ve finally viewed the highlight reels. They are sur-reel. I’m getting tugged every which way.

I value a guy who’s been a dominant college player, and JT fits the description. Taylor is the kind of athletic freak who gets me woozy – such a stud comes along just once or twice in a decade.

On the other hand, I love Aaron Jones, and I can’t say that a running back is a pressing need.

Then again, Matt LaFleur has indicated that his entire offensive philosophy centers around a strong ground game – and picking Taylor would leave us set in that department for the next five years – and we also wouldn’t be faced with paying Jones $10M or more if we want to retain him after this season.

On the downside, though, taking Taylor would mean not using the club’s top pick to fill one of the roster holes that we need to address, such as WR, LB, or OT.

But none of these considerations has been what sways me.

Remember, I’m the guy who advised that the Packers should have those two massacres at the hands of the 49ers season strongly in mind at draft time. Well, guess who gets to pick right after the Packers? The Niners.

You think that run-scheming genius Kyle Shanahan has a fearsome ground game now? You think NFL Executive of the Year John Lynch can’t see what Taylor has to offer? Imagine what happens if the Niners get their mitts on Jonathan Taylor.

At the moment, Shanahan has three running backs who the Packers are no match for. But it’s Shanahan’s schemes, not the talents of his current RBs, which gets these guys into open spaces. The RBs he has now were just trying to hang onto an NFL roster when Shanahan found them and inserted them into his lineup. You put Taylor into the SF backfield, and it’s lights out for the rest of the league.

It’s a real likelihood if SF will pick Taylor if the Packers pass on him. Bear in mind that the Niners’ roster is already stacked. They’ve got the best group of pass rushers, best tight end, maybe the best O-line, Pro Football Focus’s highest-rated cornerback, and so on. They could select Taylor, and then trade away (for good value) two of their three current RBs.

And if the Niners let him get by, the nightmare still doesn’t end. The opportunity would then pass to the current Super Bowl champs – whose only glaring roster weakness appears to be at running back, where Damien Williams, who went undrafted in 2014, and gained fewer than 500 yards last year, is the starter.

I’ve made up my mind: if Taylor is around when the Packers come up late in Round 1, I’m fine with the Packers choosing him. I can’t bear the thought of allowing a guy like this to be added to the 49ers arsenal – or for that matter to the Chiefs.

 

Wisconsin Badgers RB Jonathan Taylor

Feb 28, 2020; Indianapolis, Indiana, USA; Wisconsin Badgers running back Jonathan Taylor (RB27) participates in a workout drill during the 2020 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY SportsNFL

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I’m with Matt: “You gotta make those chunk plays!”

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72 Comments

  1. Howard April 23, 2020

    Haven’t really seen any Badgers games, only bits and pieces. I have seen that Taylor has put the ball on the ground a lot, and is not a reliable receiver. Are those legitimate concerns, bad hands? If they are legit concerns, I would think LaFleur might not be overly excited?
    PF4L I have seen you mention that you watch Badger’s games. What are your thoughts?

    1. stiggy April 23, 2020

      His receiving became legit this past year…hes good enough to be a first round pick.

      However…i have a hunch that Dobbins from Ohio state could be the real deal.

      1. Kato April 23, 2020

        Yeah, I would rather take Dobbins at the bottom of the 2nd assuming the Packers don’t trade that pick, as it being rumored right now, apparently they are wanting to move up in the 1st

    2. PF4L April 23, 2020

      Yea…i’m with Rob here. The thing is, if you aren’t going to pay Jones, Taylor would be a good get. Problem is…how long can we ignore receivers. My thinking is we need a receiver, but we also better get a right tackle. A true right tackle, (not Billy Turner who can play across the line..cough,,,BS) So in my world, a RT and a receiver first 2 go arounds. Maybe you can pick Taylor and get a right tackle at #3, idk.
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      Howard…the thing you get with Taylor is he can actually take it to the house occasionally. We keep hearing how dangerous Jones is to break one every time he has the ball except….we never see him do it.
      I’d like to see more consistency with his running game, sometimes it’s on, sometimes it’s off. But when it’s on…..it’s on.
      His receiving game needs work. by that i simply mean targets, they didn’t really target him much until his Junior season. I think in the NFL he’d grow that part of his game, especially if they sent Jones away. Taylor had 26 TD’s last season. 21 rushing and 5 receiving if memory serves.
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      What i don’t know (remember) is, if he can block.

  2. Kato April 23, 2020

    I don’t see San Fran going RB in the first round. They already had the best running game in the league. They have a hole at receiver after Emmanuel Sanders left. They have a left tackle that is likely in his last year or two. And their CBs blow. I simply don’t see it. The Packers should draft a running back,. But not in the first round.

  3. Alberto April 23, 2020

    Apparently, if we draft Jonathan Taylor, we won’t need to worry about losing any of the run stoppers, or offensive linemen, till some time later, while the supply lasts, I suppose the 6th or 7th round. By stopping the Chiefs or 49er’s from getting him every other team in the NFL will at least have a chance, because controlling where Taylor goes, will be more important, than where the Packers want to go themselves. 🤔…
    Dah !

  4. PF4L April 23, 2020

    Keep in mind the Packer have 10 draft picks, They have 1 in each round(s) 1-5.
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    but the other 5 are all in the 6th and 7th round.

  5. Kato April 23, 2020

    At this point, they might as well trade out of the first (pick 26 now)

  6. Stiggy April 23, 2020

    Fire Gutenkust. Holy fucking shit….what a worthless pile of fucking shit.

  7. MMSUCKS April 23, 2020

    I believe that Jordan Love may be enough for me. Fuck this team . . . Gute is a loser. There were many great players at 26. The SB is now out of the question.

  8. Zwoeger April 23, 2020

    Even god didn’t saw that one coming

  9. MMSUCKS April 23, 2020

    I was right about Gute. He IS TT. I would not be surprised if Gute has been making the picks the last few years. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. Zwoeger April 23, 2020

    Maybe he was thinking we got Aaron late in the first round, we might have a steel nobody else sees. Grrrrr

  11. PF4L April 23, 2020

    A QB……Are you fucking kidding me?

  12. Ferris April 23, 2020

    I hope the season is cancelled now. Trade up to take a mediocre QB when a top LB is available?Did he call the senile fool? Stupid Stupid Stupid.

  13. PF4L April 23, 2020

    Just trade Rodgers, i’m done. I”l come back when the disease is gone…. F U Green Bay

  14. PF4L April 23, 2020

    I can’t believe that just happened

  15. Kato April 23, 2020

    Fuck this. They are dead to me. COVID19 is at least giving me different hobbies

    1. Kato April 23, 2020

      Look, I am down on Rodgers. I have made that clear. But you committed to him being your guy with that contract. And Jordan Love is so mediocre. It’s not like a top QB fell to them. Love blows. This is asinine

  16. PF4L April 23, 2020

    Now we know why they didn’t give Rodgers any weapons…..they give no fuck

    1. MJ April 23, 2020

      Rodgers had tweeted something along the lines of “hey, it would be really cool if we drafted a skill-position player”. Is this a very twisted (and retarded) way of “showing him” who calls the shots? “Oh, so you are hinting that you can tell us who to pick? FU, not only you are not getting any help, but we are also getting you the best competition we could find at that time. Double FU, Aaron. Now go make the playoffs again”.

      1. PF4L April 23, 2020

        I think it’s time that the Packers traded Rodgers and i’m ok with that. Save some money and show everyone how the Packers can win in this league.

  17. NobodysBurfect April 23, 2020

    They drafted ARod’s replacement before ever spending a first round pick on a WR for him…in his career. I can’t believe what I just saw.

  18. PF4L April 23, 2020

    Why pay Rodgers what they did if they are gonna pull this shit?

    What does Gute keep saying…”We are in a win now mode”

    Fuck Murphy and fuck Gute

  19. PF4L April 23, 2020

    BROKEN!!

  20. Zwoeger April 23, 2020

    And he traded up for that pick!!! Prick

  21. Skinny April 23, 2020

    LOL, the organization doing the same shit to Rodgers they did to Favre. What a fucking joke.

    1. PF4L April 23, 2020

      The difference……..Favre was asking for it with his constant retirement talk

      1. stiggy April 23, 2020

        Another difference…Rodgers could have gone #1 overall and there wouldn’t have been much critique. Jordan love had 20 tds and 17 ints in a garbage conference.

  22. PF4L April 23, 2020

    Are we about to embark on Brett Favre vs. Green Bay 2.0?
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    Rodgers hasn’t been the tool that Favre was
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    But you gotta know…Rodgers must be losing his mind right now.

  23. Skinny April 23, 2020

    I now believe its not the Gute or Murphy but the fucking board calling the shots here. These fuckers cant be this stupid.

    1. PF4L April 23, 2020

      It’s not the Board that talks about this team being in a “win now mode”
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      This is why i put a freeze on spending any money on this team for years.
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      This worst part of all this….is they won’t answer to anyone about it.
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      I bet we’ll hear….”We did what we thought was in the best Interest of the Green Bay Packers”
      Time and time again…..just watch.

  24. PF4L April 23, 2020

    This team is testing my loyalty and it’s pissing me off.

  25. NobodysBurfect April 23, 2020

    I really hated the shit eating grins on LaFleur and Gutes faces. I saw those looks and thought “they’re going to do something stupid”, I never could have imagined it would be this fucking stupid.

  26. MMSUCKS April 23, 2020

    Fuck M. MURPHY! Gute is a fucking first round LOSER. He is clueless. This stinks. This QB is M. Trubisky V2.0. Rodgers must be beside himself about now. Sad, even the pundits are giving this a failing grade. The worst part about it . . . I honestly knew that Gute was going to shit the bed with this first pick. Question: How can you fuck up a talent heavy draft class? Answer: Have Gutekunst be your GM.

  27. PF4L April 23, 2020

    Until further notice….this team is dead to me.

  28. PF4L April 23, 2020

    Here is what won’t happen….
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    A reporter from Green Bay won’t question Gute on his “win now mode”
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    Because they are pussy’s

  29. Zwoeger April 23, 2020

    Probably they panicked after SF traded up one place higher and picked Aluyk.

  30. PF4L April 23, 2020

    I’m reading Love’s scouting report and you’d think they were describing Hundley.

  31. PF4L April 23, 2020

    If i’m Mark Murphy…the first thing i’m doing is tripling up on security at Packer Headquarters.

  32. Skinny April 23, 2020

    Make no mistake about it, we’re fucked short term. This team isnt good enough to overtake San Fran. San Fran kicked our ass again tonight with this first day of the draft.

    1. MJ April 23, 2020

      Your idea makes sense at first. Let’s say Gute admitted the 49ers and the Chiefs are uncatchable now and Rodgers’ game will decay fast. OK, maybe in three years when their teams can no longer retain key players, we might have a shot? But the likelyhood of getting another HOF QB is astronomical. So, in three years from now, when the 49ers and Chiefs have hopefully decayed, unless we ourselves don’t get a very good QB, we won’t be any better than them. We’ll be in an even worse position, considering the constant whiffing of 1st round picks. Is Love that QB? Considering the TD/INT ratio in a less-than-top-flight conference… it is rather doubtful.

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      How about the following plan: we live and die by the Rodgers we have now (past his prime, but still good), and then we suck for a couple of years, get a few high draft picks to only then get the QB who will hopefully lead the Pack to glory once more.

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      Now our scope is as follows: make the playoffs, get outclassed by a team that is then peaking, then pick 20+ again. Rinse and repeat for three years.

  33. Mitch Anthony April 23, 2020

    This virus is a great cover for this move. You don’t have to worry about facing any angry crowds (or lynch mobs).

    Someone convince me this team didn’t just piss away a 1st and 4th round pick on DeShone 2.0. Because this guy threw a bunch of picks in a not so top flight conference.

    Did someone say something to the effect of – just as long as it isn’t a Gary or Burks type pick? Well then…

  34. Deepsky April 23, 2020

    I hate this draft pick, but it’s clear the Packers saw Rodgers hasn’t been the same since 2016. He doesn’t have the arm anymore and he holds onto the ball too long. Even if they drafted a receiver, would Rodgers even throw to him? Probably not. These are all things the Packers likely thought. I would have liked to have put all the chips on the offense, but the Packers thought otherwise.

    1. PF4L April 23, 2020

      Yea, yea, yea…..you should be happy now Deep.

    2. MJ April 23, 2020

      I agree Rodgers is not elite anymore, but still a good to very good QB. Hitting on a franchise QB has to be statistically crazy. Making a final push with the Rodgers we have now at least gives the team a chance at one last trophy before Rodgers calls it quits.

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      After this dumbfuckery I would even appreciate if Rodgers requested a trade, and even accepted a pay cut to play for someone actually interested in contending.

      1. Deepsky April 24, 2020

        I agree, there’s no chance the Packers hit on another Favre/Rodgers. This is Gutekunst’s make or break pick of his career.

  35. MJ April 23, 2020

    Damn… How could he possibly do so much wrong in one swing? Trade up to get a clipboard holder while we really needed talent at WR and LB. And you could have picked up either with that trade up! No, no, he had to pick the QB AND waste some draft capital in the process. All while working against the previous move of securing Rodgers for a bunch of years.
    Seriously… I hadn’t considered quitting the Packers until now. Those GMs pulling constant FUs on their fans. TJ Watt was available… nah, trade down to get fragile King and discount Watt. Hold the 12th pick of the draft? Nah, let’s get a position-switch experiment. Had a WR and LB sitting right there, move up and snatch one? Nah, let’s take a QB. No effin way you build a championship team while whiffing on so many 1st rounders. No wonder why we have to scavenge the trash heap! But then they bragg about how they found this “meh” player on the waiver wire. “Look how smart we are! Someone did not spot this undrafted guy’s talent, and now we got ourselves a 3rd stringer”.

    Quoting PF: “Broken”. Never thought I’d get to this point.

  36. PF4L April 23, 2020

    Now Gary and Love can sit on the bench together

  37. NobodysBurfect April 23, 2020

    We just drafted Jameis Winston w/o the crab leg burglarizing issues

    1. PF4L April 23, 2020

      Brett Hundley 2.0

  38. PF4L April 23, 2020

    Looks like McCarthy won, Dallas might be putting up 40 points a game.

  39. PF4L April 23, 2020

    I bet Love kills it….in pre-season.

  40. PF4L April 23, 2020

    Who improved themselves more today..the Packers, or 49ers?
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    Win now.

  41. Cheese April 23, 2020

    This team is fucked. Gutekunst is a fucking imbecile, and Mark Murphy is a fucking dolt. If anyone wants to know how to run a football team straight into the dirt look no further than Green Bay. Opportunity after opportunity to make this team better completely pissed away. Hey Rodgers, have fun trying to win another Super Bowl with one NFL caliber receiver. Good thing the Packers have been pissing away their drafts on the spotty defense for the past 10 years.

  42. PF4L April 24, 2020

    In the last 2 drafts, the Packers moved up a total of 13 spots, and it only cost them 3 4th round picks.
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    Winning

  43. stiggy April 24, 2020

    I hope the rumors were true and rodgers purposely tanked mccarthys career..and does so to shitenkust and Matty boy.

    This team is a conical fucking joke. The ONLY reason you draft a young qb is to take advantage if rookie scale contract…and the piece of shit sifting in his mcmansion couldn’t even get that right.

    Make no mistake…last night wasn’t about the packers…in hindsight…neither was last years draft. They were about gutes “legacy”. Also…im on the fence about retiring the name “gute” but we need a new nickname for him.

    also makes you think.. gravy head was a victim of these people as well.

  44. PF4L April 24, 2020

    Two first round picks…two bench players.
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    LET’S DO THIS!!

  45. Kato April 24, 2020

    The best we can hope for is an incredibly motivated Rodgers wanting to go on an FU tour

  46. Deepsky April 24, 2020

    I didn’t really know anything about Jordan Love before the draft, except that the Packers were interested in him. It does say something that the Patriots weren’t interested in him when they absolutely needed a QB. While it looks like he has a good arm, what I don’t see are the plays that made Favre and Rodgers famous and separates NFL quality quarterbacks from college quarterbacks, that is, escaping the pressure and throwing great throws under duress.

    1. Ferris April 24, 2020

      Exactly. Pats could have taken him. Plus he’d be there at 30. Trade up for him???!!
      The brains of this organization are braindead.

  47. PF4L April 24, 2020

    I don’t have a problem with the concept of taking a QB. But there is a time to do it, and a time not to.
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    I have a problem……..when they keep preaching WIN NOW!!
    Then making moves that are opposite of that mindset. that is what pisses me off
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    It means something…To be able to talk the talk, and walk the walk. It’s called integrity.
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    What gets me is….these people in charge aren’t even Packer fans…this is just their job. When they leave here, and go work elsewhere, they put on a different teams hat.
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    I know i’ve harped on Gute’s “win now” statements. the reason for that is….in my mind, you are lying to my face. You are lying and disrespecting lifelong Packer fans. I don’t go for that shit as a Packer fan, or from someone on the street. Although i’m older now, back in the day…there was high satisfaction to watch those kind of people land on their ass. No more giving Gute the benefit of the doubt. that ship sailed and Murphy was already on it.
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    Integrity deserves respect, Fuck him

    1. Stickman April 24, 2020

      NICE

  48. PF4L April 24, 2020

    I bet we’ll hear….”We did what we thought was in the best Interest of the Green Bay Packers”
    Time and time again…..just watch.

    UPDATE: Those same words were spoken by Gute last night after the pick.

  49. Deepsky April 24, 2020

    Rodgers is going to hate, hate, hate this. And Rodgers is an unforgiving hater. He’s going to want to get traded, or better for him, released, and will do EVERYTHING now to get his way. He doesn’t say things in public, but his play on the field will force the Packers to get rid of him. So I am expecting now a truly awful season next year, on the field and off the field, if there is a season.

    1. PF4L April 24, 2020

      It’s ok Deep..Hopefully Rodgers will be gone soon and you can finally stop obsessing about him.
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      Have a coke and a smile.

  50. Deepsky April 24, 2020

    Already the Minneapolis Star Tribune is writing articles how the Vikings are going to get Aaron Rodgers now.

  51. stickman April 24, 2020

    There are two kind of teams in the NFL. There are the ones that try to win at all cost, and there are the ones that see MONEY. It`s becoming clear which way the Pack is going. Instead of adding good quality players, they add seats every other year and build a carnival type atmosphere with waters slides and sled riding hills so u and ur family can get the Lambeau experience.
    This Organization wasted maybe the best QB in NFL history, draft and develop my ass. But next fall there will be 80,000 fans in the place for a preseason game. Money talks and bullshit walks. They are making alot of $$$ on are emotions.
    I`ve been a packer fan for 60 years and it`s starting to become very clear to me…. It was not a stupid pick, it is a MONEY pick.

  52. PF4L April 24, 2020

    The Packers don’t deserve Rodgers, they haven’t for years.
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    I hope he leaves, because he deserves better.
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    I can say that because….what’s the difference?! This team isn’t interested in winning right now. So as a Packer fan, what does it matter.

  53. Stickman April 24, 2020

    Right.. If he leaves I`ll follow. Sad

    1. PF4L April 24, 2020

      I won’t buy his new jersey or anything. I’m still a Packer fan because i don’t have a choice. Packer Fan 4 Life
      But i’ll sure as shit root for him, maybe even go watch him play. Because of all the money i’ve saved not spending it on the Packers.
      Just because i’m a diehard Packer fan, doesn’t mean my financial support is automatically a given. I’ll support them financially, when they give me a reason to.

  54. Stickman April 24, 2020

    I can still see 66 limping down the left sideline. On my rent`s Black 4 white TV..