Unofficial Green Bay Packers 2019 Season Motto: “A win is a win.”
Indeed it is. Sometimes the refs giveth and sometimes the refs taketh away.
The first quarter of Monday Night Football at Lambeau Field was uglier than any other Q1 so far this season. The Detroit Lions did a great job right off the bat demoralizing the Packers defense with some razzle-dazzle by executing a flea flicker that resulted in a 66-yard reception by WR Kenny Golladay that also happened to be the longest play from the line of scrimmage for the Lions so far this season. Packers’ S Will Redmond was partially to blame for that happening.
As expected, there was plenty of action for the Packers RBs. While last week against the Dallas Cowboys was Aaron Jones’ shining moment, Jamaal Williams stepped up as the leading rusher of the night with 14 carries yielding 104 yards. Williams also claimed 32 receiving yards and a touchdown reception in the 2nd quarter. Williams’ touchdown reception came after an extremely costly penalty for the Lions special teams for having 12 men on the field. 4th down instantly became 1st down in the red zone and Rodgers wasted no time taking advantage of it. The Lions are tied at 4th for the most special teams penalties this season.
Jones was less productive with 60 total yards and a fumble early in the game. Jones could have had a TD reception in the 2nd quarter but he ended up dropping the pass. He was wide open on the play and it was his first dropped pass this season and the third of his career.
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With the absence of WR Davante Adams, QB Aaron Rodgers threw to 9 different players. Also very proud to see WR Allen Lazard as the top receiver of the night with 65 yards and a touchdown. At one point, there was reasonable doubt that he would even make the practice squad, much less make the primary squad and now he’s showing that he belongs there. Very excited to see the trust and chemistry between Lazard and Rodgers build.
He is another prime example of a young player this season that is stepping up — which reflects well on GM Brian Gutekunst. Except, of course, for the fact that high-dollar TE Jimmy Graham disappointed yet again with a total of 17 yards. Meanwhile, TE Marcedes Lewis continues to fill the gap at a fraction of the price.
Mason Crosby seems to be the player of the game from my perspective. He went 3 for 3 with a long of 48 yards in the 3rd quarter that tied the game.
The win puts the Packers at 5-1 and they’ll keep their top spot in the NFC North. The Lions fell to 2-2-1 and are in last place in the division — although this is their only divisional game so far this season. At 5-1, Matt LaFleur is the only first-year coach this season with a winning record. Despite their loss, the Lions, under second year coach Matt Patricia, are playing their best football in awhile. The NFC North continues to be the toughest division in the league.
If you are intent on playing Kevin King injured on the field, it would be wise to roll safety help to his side of the field. That way you aren’t burnt for 66 yards first play of the game.
I wonder if Jimmy Graham will be on an NFL roster next year? Slow, and in the times he does get open, or use the skill that helped make him a once fearsome player by playing basketball and catching jumpballs, he drops the throw. Good plays made by Lazard, but do you trust him to be a number two in playoff games? I don’t. Pick up the phone, make a call to the Dolphins and see what it would take to acquire Parker. I don’t want to see Graham dropping passes, or passes bouncing off the facemask of Shepherd for INTs. Receivers are allowed to make mistakes and drop balls, Jordy dropped a ball here and there. Difference there is he more than made up for it. Kudos to LaFluer for taking what he has to work with, and getting the ball into the hands of his running backs.
Gutes major snafu in the off season is when he somehow decided that it would in the best interest of the team by keeping Jimmy around and having Russ cut him a check for 5 million in March. Along with the 11 million to Billy T. I know hindsight and all that bs, BUT….didn’t we have a glaring need in talent behind Adams for someone somewhat proven? Did we believe 100% that no more talent was needed after G-Mo and MVS? I just don’t get it. We had more than enough resources to get a proven wideout without effecting the defensive acquisitions, and it was completely ignored.
Did you idiots guys even watch the game? LMFAS.
There is a lot to agree with here.
Let me start with giving props to the defense looking at the big picture. They held Detroit to just under 300 yards and kept their TOP at a positive level.
Lazard was the clear winner in the #2 receiver battle….this week. Props to the Rodgers/Lazard TD pass. Rodgers dropping a dime, and Lazard making a big time grab that was hardly a gimmee. If he hasn’t earned more playing time, no one has.
In related viewpoints…..can we (Packers) stop pretending that G-Mo can be a #2? He’s been with the club 3 or 4 years now, and yes, he’s made a handful of nice grabs. But to be a #2 you need to be somewhat consistent, he is far from that. Personally, i think he’s a 4, at best.
Regarding MVS….although i’m not on the coaching staff, and i’m not in the classroom everyday, am i out of line to eliminate MVS from being a #2? I could be wrong, but i see him as a teams deep threat (think Mike Wallace), not a precise route runner. I can see him being a 3. Maybe there was a reason he was a 5th round pick? This is from a scouting report….”Beyond the straight-ahead run, though, Valdes-Scantling is an inconsistent route runner and remains raw on many technical levels. Consider him a possible Day 3 project. At the very least, his speed and size combo is intriguing.”
I don’t give many props to Ted Thompson except for the early years. But one thing Ted would never have done is let the wide receiver talent pool fall to these low levels.
In response to this, I feel the team overprojected what they had at receiver. Geronimo Allison looked like he was going to be a good #2 last year before his injury. He was on pace for just under 1000 yards last year, solid numbers for a #2, actually, probably the best for a #2 guy we have had in some time. It’s clear he has regressed this year. MVS hasn’t come along as much as we had hoped. I don’t think it is time to declare him dead yet, Jordy Nelson wasn’t a much of a contributor till his 3rd season, and didn’t really break out till late that year. But you are 100% right. They need someone, yesterday. Again, I would highly encourage looking into trade options.
My thing with that is….that they know Allison, they know what they have in him. Being on pace to be a 1,000 yard receiver is not being one. i mean..a guy can have 6 sacks in his first 2 games, but he’s probably not going to have 48 sacks.
Granted, Allison had a nice start last year. But this year they really need him to perform, and he’s been sloppy. That’s why i mentioned consistency.
I’m not declaring MVS dead yet either. But something can be said to playing a player to his strengths. When a player lacks a certain skill set, or is playing out of position, sometimes it feels like a square peg in a round hole.
I have a question…where has Lazard been up until now? Rodgers says he is great in practice….how is this his first time on the field?
I’m a little sick of all the media talking about how the Lions were robbed.
In my memory, I can’t remember a time when the Packers were on the receiving end of a favorable call at the end of a game like this. What I do remember is game after game of the Packers getting screwed by refs. The Fail Mary. The Jerry Rice fumble. The uncalled Rodgers face mask in Arizona. Cowboys playoff game where Erik Williams continuously grabbed and shoved Reggie White’s face mask, all uncalled. Last year where the Packers had a game winning interception taken away by refs in the last two minutes of the Vikings game by a questionable roughing the passer call on Clay Matthews. How about two weeks ago in the Eagles game where MVS got hit early on a play resulting in an interception, a play that would have tied the game, and yet it wasn’t even reviewed.
It’s about time one of these games goes the Packers way.
Yeah I don’t disagree with you. There is even more coming out now from yesterday. There was a play on third down where the Packers had 13 men on the field, and the Lions failed to convert and punted. That call was missed. The Allen Lazard catch? Wasn’t a TD, and those plays are supposed to be automatically reviewed. His knee was down before crossing the plane
Kato, I Don’t think Lazard controlled the TD pass until after he crossed the goal line. When Lazard’s knee went down he didn’t have control. The Lazard TD was not a clean catch.
A team can challenge to many men on the field. The Packers have had to do so in the past and have won the challenge. To me not challenging to many men on the field is on Patricia and his staff.
Regarding the 13 men, the play wasn’t run. GB called timeout before the play. And, it wasn’t a FG attempt, it was a regular third down play, where the rule is different. On a regular down it is not a penalty until the ball is snapped. On a FG it is as soon as the teams line up.
As i’ve always said, bad calls will be made all the time, some for, some against. But it all comes out in the wash in the end.
With that said, i can understand Lions players, fans reactions. Because we all know damn well…if those were called against the Packers, Packer fans would be losing their shit for the next week.
What game were you watching, Kato? The one played out in your head?
What are you talking about?
My congratulations to the refs on last night’s victory.
My condolences to your hurt butt.
2019 Green Bay Packers = the worst 5-1 team in NFL history.
In six games for the Packers this year the Refs did all they could to give them the victory. The refs succeeded against the Vikings and the Lions and failed to cheat enough against the Eagles.
I could go back two decades of Lions AND Vikings games and not find one game where they benefited from missed, blown, erroneous ref calls to the degree of any one of those 3 Packers games which all occurred within a 6-game window for the Packers.
You look at the NFL catering to the Packers with no London game (only team), home Thursday games (4 of last 5), lots of September home games (when Packers do best historically so they are set up with 3 of 4 games at home 4 years in row now), and the mockery of the investigation into the PEDs with Clay Matthews and other Packers and the favoritism is clear. Really, just plain cheating.
Like Jerry Glanville said: “That’s the Packers for you. If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.”
Weird, you skimmed right over that complete BS roughing the passer call that Clay Matthews got last year that allowed the Vikings to keep the ball after that late game INT Cousins threw last year and allowed the Vikings to score to tie the game. Also if your argument includes a quote from Jerry Glanville, you instantly lose all credibility.
Oh, please. The Barr hit the year before was legal. They then made it illegal because that was what the Packers wanted. It was literally due to Rodgers bitching and moaning. So last year in camp they met with every team — including the Packers — and told them that Barr hit would now be illegal. Barr said he understood. Then Clay Matthews went and did it. He lifted Cousins up and drove him into the ground. It was a MUCH worse hit than what Barr did and it was done in the pocket and it was done after the rule and emphasis changed and after he was warned about it. That was correct enforcement of the new rule. Then the Packers bitched and moaned about the new rule they caused a few games later the NFL basically stopped enforcing it.
Do I hear something? Sounds like a yipping cocker spaniel and smells like a mildewy basement. Oh, lonely boy, you are here, I see you popped out of mom’s basement to lecture us again today about how the NFL is a grand conspiracy to throne the Packers. You know what I think of people that blame refs for everything including their outcomes? They are little bitches. You sir, are a little punk bitch. Go get fucked. The NFL CLEARLY favored the Packers when Jerry Rice fumbled but didn’t call it. Ditto for fail Mary, Rodgers getting tackled by the facemask in the 2009 playoff game, calling Clay Matthews for roughing the passer last year, but I digress. You sound like Baker Mayfield when he bitched about refs in a game he threw three picks. They are human and make mistakes too. Expecting them to be perfect is fucking ridiculous. That is why as a team you try to not be put in that situation. It’s like blaming being late on traffic, you know the traffic could be a factor, but you don’t account for it. But you are a millennial cocksucker that would rather blame other people’s imperfections for a problem than taking an introspective look at yourself and realize that you may not be perfect either and that contributed to your predicament. GTFO you fucking bitchboy
I saw you’d devolved into something less than human as indicated by your demeanor but caught the essence that you disagree that the Packers are treated like special snowflakes. I made plenty of good points already that already prove it but I will go ahead and add on to that.
Packers, this year of our Lord 2019, have FIVE of the first SEVEN games at home. A fast start is important especially for a new regime and especially to get Packers bandwagon fans (not all Packer fans are but many more than most teams and only exceeded in bandwagon fans by the Cowboys) spending attention and money on the NFL. Of the other 31 NFL teams can you guess how many have five (or more) home games among their first seven games? If you guessed ZERO you then win the prize. Since 2015 the Packers have always had a majority of early games at home, 4 of 6 usually, once 4 of 7. Five consecutive season with a majority of early home games or massive overload. All to get head starts. Don’t tell me anything about cold weather. Buffalo is worse and New England and the New York teams are nearly as bad, all also play outdoors, and none get their schedule catered to them.
Yes, Packers do get special favorite treatment. Unless you don’t believe in facts. Granted, it does seem quite likely you do not trust facts.
Mark my words Packers are going to sink rapidly and will not win the division. (Go ahead and clip and save this Piffle, I know you want to. Then go ahead and sit on it and, if I’m wrong, paste it again, and, of course, if I’m right go ahead and pretend I never wrote it. Tis your way.)
Someone needs a coke and a smile……and maybe a cookie
Ok sport, let’s talk about facts. Fact number one: there is zero evidence that Clay Matthews did steroids. You sound like a right wing conspiracy theorist right now. The NFL conducts random testing, and to my knowledge, no packer failed besides Mike Neal. All you can do is speculate, you have zero evidence to back your facts up. Now, HGH on the other hand, now that isn’t tested for, and wouldn’t be shocked if Matthews did in fact use HGH. But, I hate to break it to you, I can about guarantee because it isn’t tested for, a ton of NFL players use it, especially when it comes to rehabbing from injuries. I can have a sneaking suspicion that Adrian Peterson used HGH, and probably still does. But, I am not going to go and spout that off as fact like the media does nowadays.
Fact number two: the Packers have not played a game in London for a few reasons. One, their season tickets are sold out for the foreseeable future. They aren’t giving up a home game because of that. Also, given that Green Bay is the smallest town in sports, each Packers home game is an enormous economic boost to the area, especially given the stadium can basically seat 3/4 of their population. Three, the Packers have expressed an interest in playing in London, but no teams want to give up their home game of playing in London because Packers games always give them sellouts, or at least are among their highest selling home games of the year. Four, this is not remotely an advantage for the Packers anyway, because the game is essentially being played at a neutral site.
Fact number three: playing more home games early is hardly any advantage. Who cares about a fast start? Last time I checked, each team plays 16 games, with an even 8 games home and away. It evens out in the end. To act like the NFL is giving them some sort of competitive advantage is intellectually dishonest.
I don’t mind talking about football with fans of other teams. I essentially have to living in the Chicago area, as 90% of the people I talk to are bears fans. I have zero issues trying to have a productive conversation as long as the person isn’t blatantly biased, and is actually objective. You are neither. That is why, as far as I am concerned, you can fuck right off.
Let’s talk about the whizzinator. If we’re talking about cheating.
Like Jerry Glanville said: “That’s the Packers for you. If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.”
LOL, now we’re just making shit up. Sad!
I think she’s upset.
Rob hasn’t written a couple times in the last two seasons regarding the Packers need to grab a featured wide receiver in the draft and not wait for rounds 4-6. He’s looking more vindicated right about now. We have #1 who is down with injury, and a bunch of #4s. Maybe this next draft there will be a good one available. Typically these last couple years the good receivers start getting picked in latter part of round 1 and well into round 2. But do you wait, or maybe make a move for someone, get an 8 game rental on a vet?
Early on I wanted Lazard to be on the 53 and Shep on the PS, not the other way around but it worked out for Lazard in the end. I was ambivalent about Davis and when he was traded away I agreed with the move. He sure looks better performing as a Raider than he ever seemed to be as a Packer. Good for him.
Shep? What the hell? That punt recovery not only wasn’t fair caught, I doubt it would have been caught even if he had waved for the catch. He ran way under it and misjudged it badly. The next two could have been returned but he probably was ass chewed after the f-up that he was fair catching everything after that. The pass in the face. A little of that is on the throw if it was behind him and he had to put on the brakes to try and grab it. Instead it bounces off the face mask and into the willing arms of a defender. Two big miscues which does not make this young man look good. If the receiver corps was deeper and another returner readily available, he’d be gone. I think they give him a chance at redemption because of what they seen in camp/pre-season but not a real big chance. The trust issues with Aaron are probably not there right now. Might be sub-Janis trust issues for Shep.
Jimmy Graham. Here’s a guy who has the trust and bromance from his QB. But why? Why oh why? Because of how he used to play when he was a New Orleans Saint? He was drafted in 2010, he knows this is on him. He’s not playing anywhere near expectations and especially his compensation level. I would think his professional pride would drive him to do much better.
Whitewater Jesus? The guy who was gaining the trust. The guy who was the great route runner just appears to be – running around.
Working with all that, Rodgers really played great. He carried a big load and this was one of his best games in a while.
Meant to write – Rob has written, not hasn’t.
Funny thing Mitch, is a few days ago i was also thinking about Robs call for a high pick blue chip wide out. For awhile i was against it. Then after awhile i thought to myself “what do we have to lose”, especially considering all the #1 pick draft bust we’ve picked through the years.
With that said, was there a better option at receiver at #12 with more immediate upside than Rashan Gary?
I think we need to move past the Jimmy Graham issue (myself included). If he hasn’t shown it by now, it isn’t happening. Just have to chalk it up with the other pissed away tens of millions on bad contracts and horrible personnel decisions..
You can look back around FA and see i mentioned cole beasley several times. With that being said…while our wideouts are struggling the pass game is still pretty productive. Even marginal improvement or Lazard becoming a semi consistent threat will be enough to get by this season and regroup for the draft next year.
Thank god jenkins is working out on the line otherwise id be crying the pack didnt take DK metcalf.
I would be very happy to get past the Jimmy Graham issue, if they would just take him off the field. I’m so tired of hearing about how tall he is from the announcers, and the # of TDs in the red zone since 2010. How many since 2017??? Marcedes Lewis consistently looks like twice the player. Get him more snaps!
Yea…Jimmy’s a match-up nightmare. A “nightmare” i can buy.
I was going to go through the timeline of Gutes decisions or (non decisions) detailing his moves regarding receivers, starting with his first move as the Packers General Manager. Then i got so pissed off. So in the interest of mental health…i let it go.
I was also going to ask Packer Nation here, on what 2 players did Gute piss away away just over 20 million dollars on this season. But i didn’t think anyone would guess them, so i let it go also.
I know were 5-1 and i should be happier. but i would be happier at 5-1 if we didn’t have what Mike Clemons calls (the worst receivers behind Adams, in the NFL.)
When you have Aaron Rodgers, there is absolutely zero excuse for letting the receiver talent level fall to this level. We were so hopeful, and so damn hungry to find out who our #2 receiver was that, we were too blind to realize….we didn’t have one.
Here’s my final thing about the refs concerning this game….
Detroit passed for 39 yards in the third quarter, 7 yards in the 4th. They converted only 3 of 13, 3rd down conversions. They rushed for 56 total yards for the game. So at the end of the day if Detroit wants to win, then play better.
Because of those facts i give no fuck if they want to complain.
As a Packer fan, i’m going to just enjoy being 5-1 while it’s happening. Other people can piss and whine about the game if they want. You want to win?….play better. Same thing i’d be saying about the Packers if it went the other way.
Here’s another thought I have about the refs.
The home team always get the benefits of calls like this in the NFL. That’s why I don’t make a big deal out of calls going against the Packers on the road. The only difference between this time and say the facemask on Aaron Rodgers in the Arizona game was that Booger McFarland went on and on about it on live TV. Booger was a defensive lineman in the NFL and doesn’t like calls against defensive lineman.