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And Then The Green Bay Packers Fell Apart

Anyone else? Anyone else sitting there in the second half of the Green Bay Packers game with the Seattle Seahawks feeling like this was coming to an inevitable end? I personally channeled 2014 during that second half, meaning the shitbag championship game. Not because I wanted to, but that’s what it slowly felt like. That’s what came to my mind.

On a smaller level, of course. This wasn’t for the Super Bowl. But let’s be honest, the Packers had their chances to win this game. They were up 21-17 at halftime with the second-half kick coming into their hands.

Six plays and a punt after than happened. Delightful.

And yes, many punts were exchanged early in that second half. Many punts were exchanged by two mediocre teams.

People are all of a sudden talking like this is a season-saving win for the Seattle Seahawks, who improved to 5-5. The Packers dropped, once again below .500, at 4-5-1. They can’t win a game away from Lambeau Field. They are an absolutely pathetic 0-5 on the road this season.

I could point to Los Angeles. Maybe New England. Sure, Seattle!

Lost every one of those games and close doesn’t matter in the league.

As Mean Gene Oaklerlund always used to say, “Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.”

It wasn’t a saying he invented. I just heard him say it a lot as a kid. What I also heard a lot as a kid is this: the Green Bay Packers fucking suck.

This isn’t that, but it’s probably to the point where it has to be a tear-down. A really quick one. And a really quick build-up. The Packers aren’t reloading with Gravy Head Mike McCarthy. If that isn’t clear to you by now, then… I don’t know… go read Mark Murphy Shoves Five Questions Up His Ass, or whatever that is called.

And yes, I will talk about the game.

On paper, Aaron Rodgers was amazing — 21-of-30 for 332 yards, 2 TDs, no picks. On the field, he was shit. How many open receivers did he miss? There isn’t a stat I can point you to, unfortunately. We all saw it though. It was less than that, but how many underthrows were there when guys were wide-fucking-open!? I saw at least three in the second half alone.

I don’t know what the fuck this guy is doing. Can we still blame the injury? Or can we start blaming Olivia Munn… ah, shit… I mean Danica Patrick?

Don’t you get it? Find yourself an airheaded supermodel who makes more money than you, who is hot as hell, and just let’s you play football. This other shit isn’t working. Not working for you. Not working for me. Most importantly, not working for the Green Bay Fucking Packers, who just doled out $134 million for your ass.

I mean, sorry about the knee, but now is the time to ball. You got no other choice. Win out. And then win out again.

Or let’s be honest. This season is a complete and abject failure.

Everyone knows that. The only positive about this loss and probably a lost season is that fat Gravy-Headed prick Mike McCarthy has to be now hanging by a string. I can’t see him gone before the end of the year, but as we’ve already said, Gravy Fart needs to go.

And Rodgers clearly doesn’t give a fuck.

Monty McMahon

Monty McMahon is one of the founders of Total Packers. He is probably the most famous graduate of UW-Oshkosh next to Jim Gantner.



  1. Cheese November 15, 2018

    I think I know why Hundley went to Seattle, so he can learn how chew gum from the biggest of douchebags- Pete Carroll. Watching these two chomp away is nothing short of absurd.

    Robert Tonyan- doing what Jimmy Graham has yet to do this season, making huge pass plays. And he’s doing it at 5% of the cost.

    Should be easy for Davante to reach 1,000 yards when Rodgers throws 95% of his passes to him. As long as he keeps getting it done.

    Nice 55 yard return by Davis, oh wait, ANOTHER block in the back even if it was a bullshit call. Why do they even return the ball anymore?

    What the fuck was that pass interference about Raven Greene? Just run up and maul the receiver before the ball gets to him despite Alexander being right with him the whole time?

    Aaron Jones, tearing shit up cause that’s what he does. Having Montgomery shipped away was a blessing in disguise.

    DAMN, Fackrell is fucking shit up. Dude is gonna triple the sack total of Perry and Matthews combined. Now with a knocked down pass? Dag yo. Joe Buck just said “That sack is just so big.” Lol.

    Looks like we’re back to a heavy dose of WR screens. Still as unproductive as ever.

    How many 3rd down sacks are we gonna give up? Fuck.. Nice underthrown pass too.

    Why didn’t they go for it on 4th and 3? They were just asking for Seattle to run the clock out. Aaaand there it goes…

    Well, this was a game that Green Bay was more than capable of winning. They should have won and pissed it away, yet again. How frustrating. Just like 2014, a game they SHOULD HAVE WON, but didn’t. What is going to change and how long is it going to take? Playoffs?? Lol. I think you can kiss those goodbye. As I read from another headline, the Packers are masters at giving the game away.

    1. Skinny November 16, 2018

      Sackrell might be the defensive player of the year. Seriously if he ends up with 15-17 sacks for an OLB I dont know how he doesn’t get the award. Is this his contract year too? Packers might have to pony up 70 million this off season to keep him. But we should have the money once Perry is gone and Matthews restructures.

      1. KILLER November 16, 2018

        You’re joking, right?

        I like the nickname Sackrell and I am surprised to admit Fackrell has become a force. That said, he has zero, exactly zero, chance of becoming defensive player of the year. First, he won’t end up with 15-17 sacks. Second, let’s say he did. Aaron Donald, a DT (!), already has 12.5! On a much more winning team! Fackrell could get 17 on the year and Donald 0 more and Donald would still win it.

        Even if Donald immediately had a catastrophic injury there are many other players more deserving than Fackrell. Two on the Minnesota Vikings alone = Danielle Hunter (11.5 sacks, TD, etc.) + Harrison Smith (3 INT, 3 sacks, etc.).

        Fackrell is doing great and has become an excellent player but that does not mean he has a shot at defensive player of the year.

        1. Skinny November 16, 2018

          Partially yes. But they might have something with this dude. He has the speed and explosiveness. That almost sack on Wilson in the 4th where Wilson just flicked it out as he was going down was like whoa! Sackrall was on his ass in like a second.

          1. KILLER November 16, 2018

            Fair enough. Last couple games Fackrell has clearly been the top Packer defender. It does not seem to be an exception, due to scheme, or luck, or just a poor opponent. There is near dominance consistency in Fackrell.

  2. TyKo Steamboat November 15, 2018

    4th & 2 … 5 minutes left. Down by 3. A timeout & a 2-min warning & we punted. WOW

    Also … 2 more things. The Trevor Davis KO return called-back on a phantom holding was a total bullshit call manipulated by Vegas for the point spread. Garbage. & Crosby’s 47 yd. missed FG attempt was also garbage.

    On a bright side, at least Fackrell looks like a reborn man. WOW. 8 sacks in the last 7 games? Someone has to do it I suppose

    1. KILLER November 16, 2018

      Tugboat, the D is at fault late in the 4th. Knowing there will be runs they should never, no way, have allowed multiple first downs. If they had done their job then the Packers would have gotten the ball back with plenty of time left.

      If that had happened, then what? The Packers would have lost another way. Rodgers is no comeback kid at all. As per overtime and/or come from behind in the 4th he’s had a terrible career.

      Here is the Rodgers “comeback” reality:


      Or, this:


      Rodgers has been greatly inflated with some even foolish enough to talk of him being a GOAT. Truly silly.

      The reality is he is getting paid #1 in all the NFL QB money, has an offense very familiar to him with one of the best LTs protecting his blind side, with stats padded by lots of short TD passes (not last night) that other teams would run in, and he still is only 10th by QB rating. And he is nearly 35. Getting creaky like an old wooden boat in heavy seas taking on water.

      Rodgers is probably the most overrated QB ever all time. Name one other spoken of as reverently as him who has performed worse. Brees, for instance, is much better, much more productive, but no one ever talks of him being a GOAT.

      The call on the Davis kick return was true and correct. They even showed the replay of it. It was no conspiracy. The flag was thrown before Davis truly broke free so it was unknown by the ref at the time it would go for 55 yards. All he knew was he saw a penalty. Then he threw the flag. That’s called: Doing his job.

    2. Icebowl November 16, 2018

      “Tonyan’s scoring catch seemed to signal that the Packers were on the road to a blowout victory. Yet unlike Rodgers’ famous girlfriend, Danica Patrick, this team does not seem comfortable putting its foot on the gas” Mike Silver – NFL.com

      1. Mitch Anthony November 17, 2018

        Never was a race fan of Danica myself, but to be fair and objective, I’d really like to see Mike Silver have the testicle fortitude to drive an open wheel missile at 220+ around Indy, or a 3400 pound stock car at 200 around Daytona or Talladega.

        Yeah. Two things would happen Mr. Silver. One, you’d shit yourself. Two, your foot would slip off the gas pedal from all the shit that ran down your pants leg.

        1. PF4L November 17, 2018

          To add to that Mitch….Most seasons Patrick finished ahead of a lot of male drivers. In Indy car she had 20 top 5 finishes. In Nascar she didn’t fare as well, but she still finished the season ahead of a lot of male drivers.

          Also in 2013 she had a real chance of winning Daytona, she was running 4th with about 10 laps to go, but she wasn’t agressive/skilled enough and she ended up 8th.

          Bottom line….she didn’t win much, but she has nothing to hang her head about.

  3. Eric November 15, 2018

    Short passing game works when u have good proven receivers tandom like Driver Jennings Nelson and Jones. Those guys are long gone. But lets keep doing it instead of giving the fucking ball to Arron Jones a couple more times especially on first down!!! WTF!!! He is capable of ripping off large runs but one has to give him the opportunity to do so. Garbage play calling!!!

  4. PF4L November 15, 2018

    That was entertaining to read, from both of you. I’m just surprised nobody brought up the no challenge on the non catch, that led to a Seahawk winning TD.

    Lets keep this real….the only reason this game mattered was one more nail in McCarthys coffin. If we had won, then what? If either of these teams make the playoffs, it’s a wild card playoff exit. Seattle is horrible.

    What’s up with Jimmy? Did he dislocate a finger? Did he break it? Must be something major as he was out the 2nd half. I guess trying to poke McDougald in the eye can be hazardous to your health. What’s a 13 yard catch worth to the Green Bay Packers? About $812,000.00. That’s $1.624 million for 2 catches for 27 yards. Good get.

    Someone please tell T Willy that to be a safety in this league it helps to have tackling skills. Twice this game with the “look ma no hands” diving left shoulder tackle. Comical. Lets be real again for a second, unless T Willy is chasing a player down from behind, he will pull up and avoid heavy contact as much as he can get away with.

    Looks like Breeland was credited with a pass defended. Gee….it wasn’t the one where the football hit him in the back of his helmet was it?….lol.

    By the way…am i the only one who thinks Nick Perry and Kyle Fackrell should be swapping game checks?

    Good call on Raven Greene Cheese….wtf was that? That’s high school shit. Non drafted free agents are usually non drafted free agents….for a reason.

    So entertaining…the comedy never stops under the Packers big tent.

    1. Cheese November 16, 2018

      I didn’t mention the no-challenge non-catch because I was fast forwarding through the game (anything that wasn’t an actual play) because I knew the inevitable was going to happen… and it did. I guess you could say I’ve lost my patience.

  5. Tmr November 15, 2018

    Cheese is right about those wr screens. Hate that play…on top of that they execute it like crap.

    Seems like Rodgers relies too heavily on the scramble plays. Get the ball out faster. Then again, I can’t know what he sees.

    Burn 2 timeouts in the 2nd half because of the play clock. Maybe, coulda used them late.

    Undisciplined. Meltdown mode. Clean house.

    1. Cheese November 16, 2018

      Another thing is maybe these receivers don’t know how to scramble, something Jordy was great at. Hence why he got a lot of touchdowns because Rodgers is always scrambling.

  6. Mike November 15, 2018

    Everything that’s been pissimg me off was already touched on. The same predictable and sorry play calls. Throw a wr screen for no gain on first or an incomplete pass. Then run on second down. Third down, take a sack. Know the drive is done before the third down is even played. What’s worse is even on third and short, Rodgers Ian getting sacked for a huge loss and taking them out of fg range as was the case in La or eliminates the thought of trying to go for it. Also had some bad throws and missed the dump off that was wide open, especially jones on that ft drive.

    The non challenge was huge, especially cuz that’s when Clark was shaken up and they had extra time to look at the fucking play.

    The burning of timeouts early has been going on for seasons and this season it’s really biting them.

    Wtf is it gonna take to get rid of zook? The ST is a shit show and it seems to get worse and worse. Every week it’s multiple plays on ST that kill momentum.

    Bottom line this team is trash. How’s getting rid of Jordy for graham and keeping Cobb looking now? Just no talent anywhere and if Rodgers is human and off here and there, it’s ball game. It’s obvious the play calling is shit and add the lack of talent and that’s what you get.

    When was the last time a team went to a super bowl with an aging te and rookie wr and undrafted players all over the place. Ya Rodgers has been “off” this year but part of that has to be frustration and just a lack of talent around him. If not for Rodgers pulling that shit he did vs chi and sf, this is a 2-7-1 team. 2-8 if Minnesotas first kicker didn’t suck. They haven’t really gotten their asses kicked but these are worse to deal with and just magnified the need for a coaching change and some more talent and not just via the draft.

    1. PF4L November 16, 2018

      “Bottom line this team is trash. How’s getting rid of Jordy for graham and keeping Cobb looking now?’

      I’ll tell you how it’s looking, it’s looking like PF4L should be the advisor to the GM, not TT.

      1. Icebowl November 16, 2018

        Damn straight

  7. Deepsky November 16, 2018

    Rodgers played very well according to the game plan, which was to make sure none of McCarthy’s calls worked successfully so he gets a new coach. He did a great job tanking and making it looked like he was still trying. Mark my words, when he has issues with the next coach too, he’ll want out.

    This is all on Rodgers.

    1. cz November 17, 2018

      Hundley tried to do that last yr. It mostly worked, and finally new OCDC and GM, but they kept Head Coach. Totally foolish decision.

      They should hire someone with time to follow college football and scout a new young enthusiastic coach’ who is not as insecure and smug as McCarthy

  8. Zwoeger November 16, 2018

    So yeh MM like to waste time outs we all know but wasting one while the Stinkings have 12 man on the field?
    That’s the best he ever did. Why would you save those so you might dare to challence. Not that you have one left because you have to use that one after deciding to punt with 4 minutes left and not be able to stop the run with Daniels out.

    1. PF4L November 16, 2018

      Just because you use a challenge, that doesn’t mean they lose a time out. They wouldn’t have.

      Not challenging was a colossal failure, probably would have changed momentum.

      1. cz November 17, 2018

        as usual, i agree.

        thus was frustrating to see for all who watched.

        the one angle was very clear

  9. Jschizl November 16, 2018

    What’s is the possibility of keeping McCarthy another year. John Harbaugh, Pete Carroll Mike Tomlin, Tom Coughlin, Sean Payton had a few shit seasons in a row. That’s of the top of my head. The scary part is they could keep him another year, that isn’t a guarantee. Fact checkers go right ahead but I ever remember cowher having multiple losing efforts.

  10. Skinny November 16, 2018

    Rodgers is full of shit. Been talking to Favre too much about how you play when you bank 100 million. All this sidearm throw and rolling out and flickin it up there horse shit. Its all about his stats now. And Frank Cignetti aint gonna reel Rodgers in either, lol. Frank Cignetti is a fucking McCarthy messenger boy who doesn’t have the pull to wipe his own ass let alone tell Rodgers that’s hes not fundamentally sound.

    1. PF4L November 16, 2018

      Rodgers should probably just hang it up and retire. I heard Kizer has a cannon for an arm.

      Lets do this!

      1. Deepsky November 16, 2018

        Why can’t you admit Rodgers didn’t play to his standard? We all agree Rodgers can be all world. He didn’t play like it yesterday. He hasn’t played like it for a while.

        I rewound many plays where there was an incomplete pass or a sack or something. One of two things happened. In some cases Seattle was jamming, or in a few cases, held and not called, receivers on the line and they couldn’t get open. In most cases Rodgers looked right at open guys and he didn’t take the shot.

        Nobody is asking for Rodgers to retire. Is it too much to ask for him to play well?

        Now, me, I think he wants to get McCarthy fired. There’s no way Aaron Rodgers does not see these guys open. Rodgers sees the field better and understands the game maybe better than any quarterback ever.

        1. MM²SUCK November 16, 2018

          DEEPSKY, you may have something there . . . Some people I know see every home game. They have been saying that Rodgers has guys open every game, guys that he used to find IMMEDIATELY! this year? and last year? . . . he does not even attempt to go their way . . . One of two possibilities here; either he is not thinking like he used to (being concussed too many times, the game is becoming too quick for him because of that, or he is growing fearful, worried, frustrated?) . . . OR he is tanking! whatever it is, something is sadly up with Aaron Rodgers.

          1. Kato November 16, 2018

            Or a lack of trust in receivers. Idk. There is something up with him. I am not convinced it is solely his knee

          2. PF4L November 16, 2018

            DEEP…..I don’t recall saying Rodgers has been playing to his standard, or playing great. I have stated some of his faults. But he’s clearly playing above average.

            Rodgers playing to his standard has been Rodgers carrying the whole team including the coaches and GM and President. All of a sudden he’s not carrying this whole team, Some people are losing their shit because….he’s not perfect?

            I’ll roll with Rodgers.

            Your contention that Rodgers is trying to get McCarthy fired is ludicrous, and i’m being very nice how i worded that. You saying that destroys any credibility. If that were true, i don’t want him on my team. Rodgers doesn’t have it in him to tank, or lose on purpose….C’MON MAN!!

          3. PF4L November 16, 2018

            Seems a lot of fans are losing their shit because of Rodgers. He’s thrown for over 3,000 yards already, 19 TD’s, 1 pick, 100+ passer rating. All world? No….but pretty decent for a faulty line and for losing 1 1/2 starting wide receivers and waiting on rookies to come into their own. The next time we spend 13 million dollars in free agency, how about we spend it on someone that can be productive?

            What are you people going to do when you watch the next Packers starting QB….beat your wife?

  11. Kato November 16, 2018

    I said a number of years ago, when people were complaining about this team, that they weren’t that bad, and the roster was decent. That weren’t winning just because of Rodgers. Now you see what happens when you have a truly bad roster. You don’t win. This is like the Colts with Andrew Luck in 2016

    1. Skinny November 16, 2018

      I actually dont think they have a bad roster. Theres a lot of young talent on this team. Kenny Clark is a stud, Sackrell in dog years is like only 23 right, Blake Martinez is solid for what ILBs are allowed to do in todays game, Jaire will be a stud, those WRs will eventually be on the same page as Aaron, Tonyan could be Chumura like. The problem is McFlurry and Rodgers right now. And Rodgers isn’t going anywhere. Get rid of Mike and cut some fat off the roster and have Aaron reel it in a bit and this team is a 13-3 next year.

      1. Kato November 16, 2018

        Coaching is certainly an issue. I dont know that I trust them find the right coach

        1. Empacador November 16, 2018

          This is why the next coach needs to have a defensive background. Hire a true offensive coordinator. The Packers always hire, with the exception of Ray Rhodes and Phil Bengston, coaches with offensive backgrounds. Let the coordinator work with Rodgers, and the HC can focus on the rest of the team that has fallen by the wayside under McCarthy’s watch.

  12. Icebowl November 16, 2018

    Nobody catch that Missin’ Crosby yet again gets credit for a loss….
    He makes the FG in the 1st qtr and things roll the same and we wouldve been given 15 more mins OT to watch them find another way to lose.
    Anyone see a pattern here on games in Seattle – get an early lead (sometimes huge) and blow it in the final minutes -repeat…..

    Two seasons ago GB goes for it on 4th – makes it – #12 drives them to last second TD to Nelson ….. Remember those days ? Then Watching them get knocked out of the playoffs ….

    Ahhh the good ole days…. Like when a successful season would only be measured by how they avoided being swept by the Bearz, Queens and Pussy Cats…. Rapidly heading there…

    All we can hope for now is that MM gets canned ASAP.

    It’s hockey season !!!!

    1. MM²SUCK November 16, 2018

      Amen ICEBOWL!

    1. PF4L November 16, 2018


  13. Stiggy November 16, 2018

    Rodgers is the greatest QB in GB history when it comes to talent. Unfortunately he is starting to mirror Favre during favre’s decline.

    He tries to force plays.. but instead of throwing a pick.. he throws the ball away.

    Constantly mimicking the throw it 45 yards down field on 3rd and 2… this only works If you don’t do it every single time.

    Has left his mechanics and preperation by the wayside. He has a cannon… yet that doesn’t mean he should be jumping in the air and off balance on every single throw. He is adding to the degree of difficulty significantly by jumping.

    I’m sick of “Rodgers is so deadly outside the pocket”… he’s more deadly in the pocket.. his best game of the year was game 1 against the bears where he was forced to be a pocket passer.

    Rodgers is a generational talent.. but he is making the big bucks.. he shouldn’t he under throwing every pass over 30 yards.. and he should be adjusting his play instead of “scramble drilling” if his young wideouts haven’t caught on.

    He either thinks he’s above the gameplan/system or he is sabotaging McCarthy (don’t blame him with all the wr screen calls). But this jsnt a physical decline.. that effortless toss to tonyan goes to show he’s still got the best arm in the business.

  14. Adam November 16, 2018

    Best quote of the day:

    “I dunno how much time McCarthy has left, but no way he’s gonna be able to stop the clock.”
    – Random message board person

    1. Icebowl November 17, 2018

      That ^^^^
      Thanks for sharing….

  15. Howard November 16, 2018

    So Ty was wrong for taking the ball out of Rodgers hands in LA, but MM did the same in my opinion. Gutekunst will not do it until the season is lost (no playoffs) but I don’t see how MM survives the 4 and 2 move at the end of the game.

    I remember an injured/rusty Rodgers playing the Bears in 2013 for a playoff spot. The Packers were behind and had the ball with a 4th and 1 on their own approximate 20 yard line with about 4:40 left in the game and went for it. Then another 4th and 1 with 2:00 left on the Packers approximate 40 yard line, again MM went for it.

    MM blew it on the 4th and 2 (and not challenging the non catch) In fact I believe at 3rd and 2 the team should have ran the ball because MM should have already made the commitment the team was going for it on 4th down if they didn’t make it. Just like MM did in the final regular season game in 2013.

    You can blame a lot of things on Rodgers and the players, but MM sealed his fate by taking the ball out of Rodgers hands on that final Packer drive.

    No matter what you think of Rodgers play the fact is the Packers made a financial commitment to Rodgers they can’t get out of for at least a couple more years. Rodgers is now in a position to get what he needs within reason. MM will lose any battle he may have with Rodgers.

    I won’t get into play calls because we don’t know what was called and how the players performed on a specific play. We need to also remember that there are players on the opposition that have something to say about the outcome of each play. No, In my opinion MM is a bad head coach. MM has never found a play caller, or offensive coordinator so he can do his job. I won’t even get into STs coach and some other position coaches, or game management problems. MM does not have the pulse of this team as a head coach should.

    I’ve said it before and I will again I believe part of Rogers frustration this year is with the pass game coordinator, Hostler, and maybe the receivers coach Raih. Hostler to me has never been a successful coordinator in the NFL. My only guess why MM hired him was past failures that MM and Hostler worked together. Raih is a young first time WR coach. With all the young and new receivers a coach with more experience would have been advised. Let us also remember how pissed Rodgers was with MM not retaining his QB coach. I’m not in the camp of Rodgers throwing games away, but Rodgers with his contract will be heard, even though Rodgers says it is not in his wheelhouse to make those type of decisions.

    1. PF4L November 16, 2018

      There is a reason Howard reached the heights of the 2nd best commentor on this sight.

      If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.

      1. KILLER November 16, 2018

        Piffle, I know how highly you think of me and that is quite gratifying. Seriously though. Howard is tops. I abdicate if needed.

      2. Icebowl November 17, 2018

        Who’s 1st best ?

        1. PF4L November 17, 2018

          Ice…I’be disclosing that information at the TotalPackers Awards Ceremony while accepting one of my 5 awards.

    2. Cheese November 16, 2018

      Nice points bringing up the new pass coordinator and WR coach, Howard.

      Speaking of WR coaches, I wonder how Edgar Bennett is liking Oakland right about now. Lol.

      1. Howard November 16, 2018

        Thanks PF4L and Cheese. I liked Bennett as a WR and RB coach. Maybe Bennett will be back when MM is gone.

    3. ay hombre November 16, 2018

      Howard you are the man. But wouldn’t you just about shit yourself (as would I) if Murphy called a presser announcing McCarthy’s 5-year extension? It’s not something that has been mentioned, but Murphy is the epitome of incompetence so I rule nothing out. If it were to happen, I’d be one of those pissed off idiots who started burning anything green and gold. McCarthy more or less chose the GM when he threatened Murphy. Who is to say Murphy won’t screw the pooch again. I rule nothing out with this fucking crew.

      1. Howard November 16, 2018

        Thanks Ay Hombre.

        I would shit myself. I really believe Gutekunst has made some mistakes this year. PF4L has described them well in past comments. I also believe Gutekunst has made some good moves and received extra draft picks. The best moves are getting rid of some past draft mistakes or players that were so messed up by the previous staffs that they were not salvageable.

        I dislike Murphy more than MM. I think that mealy-mouthed Murphy will leave the decision to Gutekunst. Murphy just uses committees and group hugs to avoid being responsible for any decision. It is the way Murphy is. I believe Murphy is going to give the responsibility of firing MM and choosing a new head coach to Gutekunst. I think that is a good thing.

        I know many believe MM has no value, but if anyone can do it I believe Gutekunst can maybe get a draft pick in trading MM to a team that has failed with head coaches over the years, and have a young QB like a Bills or jets team.

        When the Packers are out of the running for a playoff spot I think Gutekunst may shop MM for trade value. If Gutekunst can get more than one team biting who knows what could happen? It was a bullshit move for the Packers to extend MM last year in the dark of the night, but maybe Gutekunst can use that move to get something for MM. That is my glass is half full thought, but you are correct Murphy could screw it up.

        1. Icebowl November 17, 2018

          Might get a 5th round from Cleveland….

          1. PF4L November 17, 2018

            All good points….

            I’m guilty of thinking up the scenario where Murphy sneaks in another extension for McCarthy as Hombre noted. Do i think it’s likely, no. But nothing he could/wouldn’t do…would surprise me.

            If we are ever going to fault Bob Harlan for anything, it would be the hiring of this clown. He’s an embarrassment as a public speaker almost as much as he is pretending he’s qualified to be the President of the Packers.

            I’ve said it before, and i’ll go to my grave saying it. Without Rodgers….Murphy, Thompson, and McCarthy would have been gone years ago.

      2. Cheese November 16, 2018

        I don’t think there’s any way in hell McCarthy gets a 5-year extension. It’s strictly a “what if” antagonist viewpoint. Murphy is an imbecile for sure, but he fears taking responsibility more than anything. I bet everything will be on Gute after this season so Murph can avoid being viewed as a decision maker.

        I heard Ron Wolf on the radio earlier today and he made a comment about the GM/ President positions. He said along the lines of “no one likes to make the tough decisions, but you have to do it. That’s what you were hired for. That’s your job, to make those tough decisions.” This is exactly what Murphy is not. We all know the examples galore so I won’t get into it. Why is he still the President of the GBP? He’s totally clueless when it comes to the football side of things. He said it himself. “I didn’t know there was such a lack of communication in the front office.” Really? Was it because you weren’t doing your job? Because you were busy building a sledding hill? Meanwhile, the Packers football team has been steadily going DOWNHILL for the past 7 years.

        1. PF4L November 17, 2018

          Remembering Murphys media pressers…..In perception, i think Murphy wants to be viewed as the decision maker, The person in charge. But in reality, he just doesn’t (avoids) make decisions, unless he’s told to. But in front of the camera’s, he pretends to sit in the Kings throne. That’s of course, when he’s not busy blatantly lying to Packer fans as he speaks.

  16. arsh November 16, 2018

    God i love watching this fail fest. Can’t wait for 80’s level dumpster fire to be a thing in that crap hole town again!

    1. Empacador November 16, 2018

      In case you didn’t notice they’ve been a dumpster fire since 2011. Were you abused as a child? Crawl back under the rock from whence you came.

      1. PF4L November 17, 2018

        What are the chances Arsh has the same IP addy as The Lonely Boy.

  17. Karen Dervetski November 16, 2018

    Rodgers isnt enjoying the game now. He’s pissed still for them letting Jordy go! And, he’s sick of MM. That’s it. Rodgers also is not the leader that a Jordan, LaBone, Brees, or Brady is.

    1. PF4L November 17, 2018

      Make me a sammich. I’ll take the LaBone special, minus onions.

      1. cz November 19, 2018