Packers May Have Blown It On Tyrann Mathieu

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Tyrann Mathieu

The Green Bay Packers were reportedly interested in safety Tyrann Mathieu after he was released by the Arizona Cardinals earlier this week. He also reportedly had some interest in them.

Then on Friday, Mathieu went and signed a one-year contract with the Houston Texans that could pay him up to $7 million. The Cardinals tried to bring Mathieu back at $8 million per year, but he went to Houston anyway.

And so you’re telling me the Packers could offer Bears cornerback Kyle Fuller a four-year deal worth $56 million — something the Bears quickly matched — but they can’t pay Mathieu $7 million?

Mathieu is the more accomplished player and he can also play cornerback.

But perhaps it was timing. Mathieu signed right around the time the Packers put their offer sheet in to Fuller. Until the Bears matched, that money was committed to Fuller, meaning the Packers didn’t have it available to sign other players.

And considering how easy the deal was for the Bears to match, it now looks pretty stupid. Most offer sheets are constructed to contain a poison pill — a contract stipulation that is somewhat outlandish. That’s designed to make sure the player’s old team either can’t match the offer sheet or is put in a compromised position if they do. The Packers offer to Fuller doesn’t appear to have contained anything like that. Basically, they just negotiated a contract for the Bears.

In the process, it appears they lost out — or gave up — any chance to land Mathieu.


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Monty McMahon is one of the founders of Total Packers. He is probably the most famous graduate of UW-Oshkosh next to Jim Gantner.

38 Comments on "Packers May Have Blown It On Tyrann Mathieu"

  1. KILLER

    Well, you are correct, sir!

    This is from CBS Sports:

    “Fuller was already due to receive $12.971 million under the transition tag, so the Bears are on the hook for just over $5 million more in guaranteed money. Allowed five days to match the offer, Chicago took just a few hours to reach a decision.

    Had general manager Ryan Pace opted to apply the franchise rather than the transition tag, it’s fair to posit that he would be shelling out more money on a long-term deal. The franchise number of $14.975 million would have increased Fuller’s leverage and starting point in negotiations.”

    Lemme break this down. The Bears did not want to do a yearly renewal on transition or franchise tag. They did not want to pay franchise money but were willing to pay transition money. The Bears best case scenario was to obtain a multi-year contract averaging less than the cost of the franchise tag but knowing, of course, it would be more than the transition tag. Or, even better, another team sets it all up for them and all they need to do is match!

    Well, the best case scenario happened. For the Bears. Thanks to the Packers. Thanks to Gute the Bad.

    They matched right away because it was perfect for them and a total no brainer.

    So, there are two possibilities:
    1. Gute the Bad is a fool.
    2. Gute the Bad knew the Bears would match and did this whole thing purely as PR to make it look like he is oh so active and such a go getter and to distract from the Damarious Randall fiasco and the Jordy Nelson even bigger fiasco. See, he likely relies on blind faith/low intelligence of Packer fans to not see through this.

    What he did not count on was a Vikings fan helping educate the Packer faithful. Will my efforts work? The Wisconsin school system does not have much optimism. They also offer the governor as further proof it will not work. Well, at least I’ll know I tried.

    Yes, Honey Badger is a great one. Texans got a steal there.

    • PF4L

      Wow, you are smart.

      I don’t know why i haven’t thought about making things easier for me when i post, like you do. Here i was, all this time digesting info, creating my own thoughts and theory’s and then putting them in the comment sections. I’ve wasted a lot of time and energy doing my own…..thinking.

      When all this time, i could just do what you do. Using other people’s thought’s and opinions and putting them out there under your name. Whether you get your thoughts from various sports sites, or you just continue getting them from my post, and other people, you are definitely on to something.

      This is not the say you don’t do your own thinking. Repeating phrases like “Gute the Bad” over and over and over is definitely your own stamp. Please don’t accept the truth, and let people tell you sound like a learning disabled child when you write that.

      • KILLER

        While it is true that you did write “…it now looks pretty stupid” above in your article writing as Monty McMahon my thoughts were thought before reading what you wrote.

        Also, my thoughts are different from your own. You used past tense with the powers of hindsight. I saw it was a stupid signing attempt — if you can even call it that — even before the Bears matched. They matched so quickly — a no brainer — I had no time to post though!

        Every GM in the NFL must have laughed when they reviewed this alleged “attempt by Gute the Bad — and also wondered if he was a fool or a manipulator. I’d call this here sign to an offer sheet the Bears will run laughing with delight to match the third fiasco of the young Gute the Bad regime.

        It is I, not you, who pointed out the only two possibilities were foolishness by Gute the Bad or public perception manipulation by Gute the Bad. Either one of which helps Gute live up his nickname: Gute the Bad.

        I pulled the contract numbers from CBS Sports for convenience and verification and, you’ll notice, I gave them proper attribution.

        I understand your misguided upset though. Nothing burns hotter than the truth.

        • PF4L

          Wow, you are smart.

          I don’t know why i haven’t thought about making things easier for me when i post, like you do. Here i was, all this time digesting info, creating my own thoughts and theory’s and then putting them in the comment sections. I’ve wasted a lot of time and energy doing my own…..thinking.

          When all this time, i could just do what you do. Using other people’s thought’s and opinions and putting them out there under your name. Whether you get your thoughts from various sports sites, or you just continue getting them from my post, and other people, you are definitely on to something.

          This is not the say you don’t do your own thinking. Repeating phrases like “Gute the Bad” over and over and over is definitely your own stamp. Please don’t accept the truth, and let people tell you sound like a learning disabled child when you write that.

          • Icebowl

            Good stuff P. !!!!
            The re-use – a true touch of genius come back to Killer the Dead !

    • Larry

      Never could understand why Queen’s fans are so damn smug. I mean you guys have never won shi* yet no one runs their mouth mouth than a purple fool.

      • PF4L

        Well, they did make it to the 2017 NFCCG. But that game didn’t exactly work out as they had hoped and they’d rather not talk about it.

        But if you can find someone old enough, they can tell you all about the last NFCCG the queens won, back in 1976. I think gas was like .40/Gallon or something

  2. Niko

    They reportedly were never in on him seriously. Because OH NO he doesn’t meet their stupid fucking height requirements! Because since Ron Wolf those requirements have led to so many incredibly corn——oh wait-the best drafted corner we’ve had in that 25 or so years is Mike Mckenzie. MIKE FUCKING MCKENZIE?! Front office can suck my big Italian sausage

  3. MM²SUCK

    Perhaps G.B. should look at Hankins (Colts) for that D line? The DB’s are mostly done until after the draft IMO.

  4. Skinny

    Please just sign Revis, DRC and Tramon and lets just dream that’s its 2010 for a minute. At least give me that. Because if on opening day King is on IR and the starting corners are Herb Waters and Lenzie Pipkins I may fucking hurt myself.

  5. Not sure what the offer to Fuller accomplished? The one thing it didn’t do was cause the Packers to not be able to sign Mathieu. The way the bonus money was setup to Fuller the first year cap hit would have not drained the Packer cap.

    To me Gutekunst followed Ron Wolf’s long standing rule you don’t have corners that short. The Buckley rule. I would have been disappointed in Gutekunst if he did try to sign Mathieu.

    • Ferris

      I agree or he would not have signed so fast. I guess going where football matters was not the real reason he wanted to sign in a particular place. It was warm weather and night life.

  6. MJ

    ” Most offer sheets are constructed to contain a poison pill — a contract stipulation that is somewhat outlandish. That’s designed to make sure the player’s old team either can’t match the offer sheet or is put in a compromised position if they do”.
    Monty, poison pill are no longer legal. They were banned in the 2011 CBA.

    “”No Offer Sheet may contain a Principal Term that would create rights or obligations for the Old Club that differ in any way (including but not limited to the amount of compensation that would be paid, the circumstances in which compensation would be guaranteed, or the circumstances in which other contractual rights would or would not vest) from the rights or obligations that such Principal Term would create for the Club extending the Offer Sheet (i.e., no ‘poison pills’).”
    Source: http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/118967/inside-slant-reminder-on-poison-pills

  7. Carl DeLuca

    You know free agents have choice, right? Maybe he didn’t want to come to Green Bay at all. Not able to bitch as much if you consider that though.

    • MJ

      Yep. Haven’t been to GB, but it is extremely likely that it will have less nightlife than cities like NY, LA, CHI, and soon Las Vegas. Try selling the quiet town to not-very-smart (yes, they have “college education”, allegedly, but they get a lot of academic help in order to keep the best players active) guys in their 20s, with a sudden influx of cash (even rookie contracts after tax are way more than a postdoc earns, for instance; heck, maybe even more than a college professor’s earnings).

  8. Big B

    Melvin gone to Raiders- blew that too. I guess that leaves Breeland and his pussed out foot…..at least we got Kizer for backup QB. Maybe we’re gonna party like it’s 1999- the first three draft picks were all DBs. Didn’t work out too well, 2 out of 3 ain’t good. So we lack pass rushers, have a depleted secondary and are coming off a year when pass defense was ranked one of the worst. Are we tanking?

    Purple just added Richardson to their D, after adding Cousins- do they have a cap? Their roster quality has far surpassed ours, maybe all the sucking seasons and favorable draft positions have finally paid off. There’s a new sheriff in the NFC North. Damn.

    • KILLER

      PURPLE CAP: Insight

      *Writers on this site predicted doom and gloom for the Vikings cap even last year. They seemed to do this as an offer of hope to the Packers fans. It was not based on reality. The Vikings were in much better cap shape than were the Packer at the time or, even now after the Kirk Cousins and Sheldon Richardson signings.

      *The prediction seemingly was based on the Vikings having so many great players while the Packers enjoyed the relative luxury of a poor roster. That talent differential is a true thing. However, it is muted when the Packers have all these overpaid players (Cobb, Nelson (to a degree), Matthews, Perry) and the Vikings have a number of excellent team friendly extensions (Thielen, Griffen, Joseph, Smith).

      *We came into the off-season with something like 47 million in cap space or in 7th place in that category. In large part due to all 3 QBs out of contract. They took up about 32 million. Well, now we are paying Cousins and Siemian (brilliant trade) and the 3rd stringer about 30 million. That’s right, we got the best free agent QB ever all time and are spending less now on QBs this year and the next couple years than last year.

      *As per Sheldon Richardson, he was the player I was hoping and wishing for along with Cousins. I am also incredulous that we pulled that off. But now I see how. Last year we had about 4 million invested in Tom Johnson. Great guy, very talented, but he is as elderly as Aaron Rodgers. He was not on our books for 2018. But, Richardson was “paid for” not out of our existing cap space but ENTIRELY from new cap moves. We had poor Sharif Floyd on our 2018 books for 6.8 million but his knee is kaput. Poor bastard. Has not played in nearly two years. We became the #1 defense without him. He was a great draft pick by Trader Rick, no one can predict injuries like his nerve damaged knee. We moved on from him and also adjusted/reduced Latavius Murray’s contract for a few million and, voila, Richardson is entirely paid for.

      *We still have lots of cap space now and in the future. It is possible, barely, to resign Diggs, Barr, Kendricks, Waynes, and Hunter the next two years. For instance, Brian Robison will retire after this year and that will free up a further 4 or 5 million. I’m not actually saying we will resign all those players though. If Richardson performs like I think he will and we want to resign him he could easily cost us 15 million next year. In which case we may not be able to resign Barr who currently counts 18 million on our cap (!).

      * Our cap does not have any gamesmanship like the Saints putting money many years into the future — borrowing from future Peter to pay current Paul. We can compete for the Super Bowl and, whether we make it or not, there is no financial legacy/hangover.

      • KILLER

        After signing Sheldon Richardson the Vikings still have 21.9 million under the cap. Because of how the cap works and the lateness of our draft picks we only need about 2 million to sign our draft class (depending on draft day trades, of course). That leaves 19.9 million. Likely to use a few millions on resigning Berger and/or Newman and PK Forbath + a couple million on third tier free agents/depth.

        So about 15 million then to roll over into next year or use to extend a contract or two. My order of import is as follows: 1. Hunter. 2. Diggs. 3. Barr. 4. Kendricks. No hurry on Waynes as we have him 2 more years at the least.

      • rebelgb

        “we got the best free agent QB ever all time ” – Killer

        Geezus you are fucking stupid.

        • KILLER

          Name a better one, Sherlock. Pro bowler in his prime with no injury issues or off field issues. #3 in QB accuracy over the last 3 years, #6 in QB rating over the last 3 years, out-performed Aaron Rodgers (when AR was on the field) over the last 3 years. First QB in league history with 3 consecutive years over 4000 yards passing and 4 or more rushing TDs.

          Go ahead, name a free agent QB who can match or beat all that. See what I mean? Best free agent QB of all time.

          No charge for you on the wisdom sharing. I’m a giver.

  9. Hinder

    Ya, da ice fishin ain so good in Minnysoda so ve got nottin ta do but troll da Packer fans, I tink.

  10. TyKo Steamboat

    Texas = no state tax

    Dude is from the South. He didn’t waste any time. Dude probably has a favorite strip club in Houston where ‘Chastity’ rubs him right or something

  11. Deepsky

    There were probably only two really good corners in free agency this year and Mathieu wasn’t one of them.

  12. FTS

    Who said he even wanted to travel North? He played at LSU in college, went pro at AZ and now signed a contract with TX. Sounds like the man wants to play in warm weather to me.

    Let’s face it, not many Black athletes want to play in GB. I remember the Packer front office called Michael Irvin during the 1988 draft. Michael Irvin said “Hell No! I don’t play in the cold!” This isn’t Madden. Guys play where they want to play.

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