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Packers’ New GM: Probably a Rigged Election

We’ve heard all kinds of things about who might become the next Green Bay Packers’ general manager.

Here’s a sampling.

Director of football operations Eliot Wolf has been promoted up the ranks quickly. Not only has former Packers’ president Bob Harlan said he’s going to get the GM job, but his family was ticked off when Ted Thompson and the Packers wouldn’t let him interview for GM jobs elsewhere.

Some people think director of player personnel Brian Gutekunst is the top internal candidate.

Gutekunst apparently had the San Francisco 49ers GM job last year, until the Packers threw a bunch of money at him and he withdrew his name from consideration.

So it’s viable to think he’s the top internal candidate.

But according to Tom Silverstein, he isn’t. It’s the scenario we never wanted to consider.

Russ Ball.

Silverstein says Ball is the best bet.

Here’s the thing. Ball and Packers’ president Mark Murphy are close. Do you know why they’re close?

They’re both money guys. Let’s be clear. Murphy doesn’t view the Green Bay Packers as a football team. He views them as a corporation. How can we make more money?

Russ Ball is the VP of player finance. What does he focus on? Money. Contracts.

Russ Ball has no scouting background. He would have to rely on his lieutenants for that sort of thing. Unfortunately, if the Packers hire Ball to be GM, Ball won’t have any of those. Alonzo Highsmith is already gone. If Ball is hired to be GM, Wolf and Gutekunst are going too.

So then what?

Ball relies on Big Ted for all personnel decisions?

The Packers aren’t out of the woods yet. Nothing has been done. And, in fact, we hear former Buffalo Bills GM Doug Doug Whaley will get an interview.

But, I mean, c’mon. That’s just to adhere to the Rooney Rule in a very superficial way.

It was my dream when the Packers finally canned Big Ted. It will be my nightmare if Russ Ball replaces him. It will likely end up being yours too.

But hell, maybe that’s why Ginger Gap Tooth proclaimed that Mike McCarthy would was our coach so adamantly the other day. Because the Packers will hire from in-house, a guy who knows jack shit about football players, but knows a ton about making money!

Prepare yourselves. This could be very, very disappointing.

Monty McMahon

Monty McMahon is one of the founders of Total Packers. He is probably the most famous graduate of UW-Oshkosh next to Jim Gantner.



  1. Empacador January 3, 2018

    Holy shit, wake me up from this nightmare already.

    1. PF4L January 4, 2018

      Brian Gutenkunst looks pissed off. Maybe he’s mad he wasn’t born without any lips.

      Sorry, just trying to weave myself back to the entertainment aspect of the circus :)

      1. Rich Pusztai So Bend In. January 4, 2018

        Packer fan since”58″ In my humble opinion, Murphy would be making a big mistake by passing on Wolf for GM. After grooming him for so long! Let’leave politics out of this. His dad put us back on the map,and I believe he will to.There’s team just waiting for the Packers to faulted.But what doe’s an a83 yr.old Packer fan know? Always a Packer fan .Rich.

        1. MMTTDCSUCK January 4, 2018

          Good to hear from someone who saw greatness! Keep posting! While Wolf may be green (IMHO), he would definitely be better than Russ Ball, who’s skill set most likely does not, nor will it ever include player scouting and player skill(s) assessment . . . Those are two of the most important skills I believe. Happy New Year RICH P!

  2. KILLER January 3, 2018

    This organization faced a little adversity… and self-destructed….

    What will happen if the team goes 5-11 next year? What is the ‘next level’?

    Burn Lambeau to the ground?
    Dig up the corpse of Curly Lambeau?
    Ban alcohol in Green Bay?
    Cancel the bratwurst eating contest?
    Poison all the cows within 100 miles?
    Scapegoat and fire the cheerleaders?
    Shave their heads and lead them through the moldy avenues of Green Bay?

  3. Bobby D January 3, 2018

    If Bob Harlan can still count to 3, give him back the fucking reins!! Can it actually get worse than it was when a corpse was calling the shots?

  4. Capt. Fritter January 3, 2018

    I got a bad feeling our 25 year run as one of the better teams in the league is over. Ball is accomplished as anyone with the checkbook managing the cap but no way is he an expert at spotting talent. Murphy is running a business and with a business it’s aways about the bottom line. Snow slides and skating rinks are no replacement for a shutdown corner or edge rusher but this is the way the organization is going. As long as there are 80,000 asses in those seats every game and a waiting list for season tickets, and the bottom line is in the green, the product on the field won’t matter.
    I was glad to see Thompson out but the entire coaching staff and maybe a few more admins should have been gone too. This team has gone stale riding the coattails of one player and it got exposed this year. Expect a lot more 7-9 seasons to come.

    1. PF4L January 4, 2018

      You might have it right there Captain.

      1. PF4L January 4, 2018

        Although, i have to add, Russ gave Ted a hand in over paying his own….just saying.

  5. Kato January 3, 2018

    This team is going 7-9 with Aaron Rodgers playing the whole year next year. He will be basically Phillip Rivers, having to do everything with an awful team around him

    1. Cheese January 3, 2018

      I remember before Green Bay won the Super Bowl, worrying that they would be the Chargers of the NFC. Great offense and QB play, but never going anywhere with it. Always falling short. Aside from 2010, that’s exactly what they have been.

      1. Kato January 4, 2018

        Haha that has basically been the chargers since the 80s starting with the Dan Fouts offenses. I always thought that Rivers was the better QB out of that class with Manning and Roethlisberger, but the other two have twobsuper bowl rings.

        1. Cheese January 4, 2018

          Just think if the Giants would have kept Rivers had Manning not pulled his little “Elway style” cryfest. Would they have two SB’s, less, or more?

          1. Kato January 4, 2018

            Probably would have matched the two. Maybe even three. Always been a big Rivers fan

          2. MMTTDCSUCK January 4, 2018

            I have to admit that I have always thought River’s to be an excellent QB1. But that throwing motion and release! Wow!

  6. Tony January 4, 2018

    The changes everyone here have been screaming for are happening and you all are already questioning them.
    You just gotta laugh!

    1. Kato January 4, 2018

      They are changes that needed to happen, but I definitely was skeptical, mostly because Mark Murphy has never had to make a football decision in 10 years. Now we are seeing a situation that will probably be worse than before.

  7. FTS January 4, 2018

    I want the best man for the job but I’m hoping brian gutekunst gets the nod at GM. I definitely want Kevin Greene back to coach the LB position and wouldn’t mind if Joe Whitt got the D coordinator job. Russ ball would just seem more qualified at Murphy’s position than a GM, which he has 0 experience. I would even assume an enormous amount of arrogance on his part, if he thought otherwise.

    1. PF4L January 4, 2018

      If Russ Ball has leadership ability and a backbone, i 100% agree with you on that.

      I use to say we needed leaders on defense, for years. All this time we needed leaders at the top of the hierarchy also.

  8. Skinny January 4, 2018

    Murphy just started a GoFundMe page. Help send Russ Ball to football scouting school to raise his qualifications to be an NFL GM. Some guy with initials TT pledged 500 dollars already.

    1. MMTTDCSUCK January 4, 2018


  9. Deepsky January 4, 2018

    To use a line from Luke Skywalker, “This is not going to go the way you think”.

    Lots of folks wanted Thompson ousted. I’m not sure I believe McGinn when he says the Executive Committee wanted Thompson out, but if they did, that’s a huge problem. The Executive Committee has been responsible for such decisions as taking away personnel decisions from Bart Starr in 1980, then not naming a GM, leading to Bruce Clark and Rich Campbell being drafted. When it was toss up between Barry Sanders and Tony Mandarich, the Executive Committee made the call and chose Tony Mandarich.

    Are we back to the days when the Executive Committee meddled and the Packers failed miserably? If they hire Russ Ball, I think we are. The scouts will flee, leaving the Packers with Thompson and maybe a couple others.

    1. rebelgb January 4, 2018

      The committee no longer has the power to make those decisions or to influence them. The only power they have over football operations is to fire and hire the President. The only way they could make a football related decision would be to fire Murphy and hire a President who is a yes man to their desires. I dont see that happening.

    2. Empacador January 4, 2018

      This is the first time I’ve ever heard it said the executive committee was responsible for the selection of Tony Mandarich. Anyone got any sources for this? I know they didn’t change the structure until Wolf came along. I would love to read about how that went down.

      1. PF4L January 4, 2018

        If there ever was a “yes man”, wouldn’t Murphy be the poster child? C’mon man!!

        I don’t doubt McGinns version, and let me add this…

        As i posted before, someone needed to step in and do something with Ted. Ted wasn’t right for the last few years, EVERYONE saw it!! It needed to be done some years ago. Clearly, with Murphys comments on Ted in the past, and recently, it wasn’t in Murphy’s mindset to oust Ted. someone had to do or say something, and thank God someone did. I don’t give a shit if it was the Board, the executive Committee, or the soup lady in the cafeteria.


        Reality check.

        You’re welcome

        1. PF4L January 4, 2018

          It’s almost like some of you never read or heard Murphy say….. how great of a job Ted does, how successful he is, how Ted will let Murphy know when it’s time to step down. Isn’t Murphy on record as saying Ted can be the GM as long as he wants (REMEMBER?) Isn’t he on record as saying he doesn’t question Ted?

          Most of this in the last year, some of it coming during the 4 game losing streak the season of 2016.

          But all of a sudden…Murphy (all on his own) decided he needed to remove Ted? I still have a bridge for sale…..and the price is going up.


          1. Cheese January 4, 2018

            I definitely remember Murphy saying all those things. Good to see our President is such an invertebrate.

  10. Big B January 4, 2018

    How can a non-personnel guy make player assessment decisions? The FINAL say on player selection/acquisition has to be made by one with longstanding knowledge and experience in that area. This sounds like taking the patient to the operating room and then having the implant rep do the operation rather than the surgeon. Nonsensical.

    1. Cheese January 4, 2018

      Hence why they are going to have TT whispering advices into the new GM’s ear.

      1. Empacador January 4, 2018

        You mean if he can remember his name between recommendations.

        1. PF4L January 4, 2018

          lol…or wiping the drool off mid-sentence.

  11. M. Supernaw January 4, 2018

    What I love are the people going out and saying that Russ Ball deserves to be considered because of how he consistently keeps the packers under the cap with his salary management. Last I checked it’s pretty easy to come in under the cap when
    1. You’re never asked to sign a big name free agent
    2. You don’t even bring back your own free agents anymore.
    It’s times like this that I wish the packers had a traditional owner, because this all just reeks of corruption by Mark Murphy. And why on earth is mccarthy’s opinion being considered in this search? As far as I know the underlings typically aren’t allowed to pick their own boss. Most places it’s the yh other way around.

    1. Empacador January 4, 2018

      ^^^Truer words have not been spoken. Excellent points!

  12. M. Supernaw January 4, 2018

    I really hope we’re all wrong about this. If Ball gets the job then the house that Ron Wolf built will have been completely torn down. Look around the league at all the current successful GM’s and executives that can be traced back to the packers and Wolf specifically. I’d argue that one man has not had a bigger impact in this league in the last 30 years than Ron Wolf, and we’ve already lost a lot of his guys to other teams, with highsmith being the most recent loss. If Russ Ball gets this job, Eliot Wolf and Brian Gutekunst are both outta here and that will be the end of the Ron Wolf era in Green Bay. All of our success from 1991 to this day has been because of him either directly or through his people. If Russ Ball gets the job I think we’re looking at some dark days ahead. But always, Go Pack Go

    1. MMTTDCSUCK January 4, 2018

      This! ^^^^