Game Line 1: 18-of-33, 157 yards, 1 TD, 3 interceptions, 39.6 passer rating, 4 sacks
Game Line 2: 12-of-25, 87 yards, no TDs, 1 interception, 39.9 passer rating, 1 sack
It’s pretty easy to recognize these stats. The first is Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Hundley’s stat line in his the 7/8ths of a game against the Minnesota Vikings. The second is Hundley’s line in his full game against the New Orleans Saints. Now let’s explore these performances in more depth.
In the first game, Hundley came in cold off the bench. He’d been practicing for weeks as the quarterback of the next opponent. In that second game, Green Bay’s coaching staff had a week to adapt to the loss of Aaron Rodgers, to intensively prepare Hundley for the contest and to install plays best suited to his talents.
In the first game, Hundley was throwing to the starting receivers, not the reserves who he generally throws to in practice. For the second game, he had an entire week to practice throwing to Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, Randall Cobb and Martellus Bennett.
In that first game, there were no plays on coach Mike McCarthy’s play sheet designed for the talents of Hundley. The play sheet for the second game was custom-made for Hundley.
That first game was played on enemy territory: U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis. It was played before a raucous crowd of Vikings fans. That second game was played in the familiar confines of Lambeau Field and before a loyal crowd of Packers fans.
The first game was played against one of the toughest pass defenses in the league. That second game was played against a Saints defense that came in ranked 18th against the pass.
The first game featured a fearsome pass rush – Minnesota is ranked sixth in sacks, with 24. That second game was against New Orleans, which ranks 12th in sacks, with 19.
The Packers were beset with injuries in that first game: Morgan Burnett, Ty Montgomery, Davon House, and several others didn’t play or were quickly injured. The Packers were forced by injuries to play all eight offensive linemen on the roster. In the second game, the Packers, with David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga and Ty Montgomery back, were considerably healthier.
In the first game, the Packers did not have a strong running game: 24 carries for 72 yards, and the longest run being only nine yards. In the second game, the Packers had an excellent running game to complement the passing attack: 181 yards in the same number of carries.
All of the above factors argue in favor of the Packers having a considerably more effective passing game against the Saints than a week earlier, when Rodgers was lost without warning.
I can think of only a couple plausible explanations for the 87-yard passing performance against the Saints.
The first is that Hundley choked. He couldn’t handle the pressure or he really isn’t good at all. I replayed the game film and I simply see no evidence that Hundley was tight, erratic, made ill-advised throws or is simply not a pro-level quarterback.
That leaves me with only one theory: the preparation and game planning for Hundley’s first NFL start was all wrong.
Consider these first quarter plays:
For the first half, the Packers longest pass play was a 14-yarder to Geronimo Allison. The Packers’ other biggest plays: (1) a 25-yard pass interference penalty on a throw to Martellus Bennett; (2) a 22-yard unplanned run by Hundley; (3) a 15-yard horse collar penalty; and (4) a 14-yard unplanned scramble by Hundley. Think of how little offense was generated out of McCarthy’s play calls.
So, after only 55 yards of passing in the first half, the Packers’ coaching staff had an opportunity to make adjustments at halftime. The result: 32 passing yards in the second half.
Jordy Nelson, the Packers’ best receiver, caught his first pass early in the third quarter. It was his only catch in four targets.
The inescapable conclusion of the comparison is that Hundley performed better without any preparation by the coaches. He performed worse in the Saints game than in the Vikings game – despite all factors favoring him having a much better passing game against the Saints.
The preparation Hundley received all week hindered, rather than helped him. As I predicted, the coaches stifled the young quarterback. The Saints defense readily anticipated McCarthy’s play calls. They might as well have been invited into the Packers’ huddle.
Unless Big Mike and his other coaches learn from this disaster, all fans can hope for is that Hundley is forced to break off from as many planned plays as possible and improvise. Maybe he’ll be able to scramble and run for more yards than he gets through the air. Maybe he’ll connect up with receivers on broken plays.
Despite the embarrassing affair, Big Mike gave the team a week off from practice – kind of a reverse incentive program I guess. And the coach has made it crystal clear that Hundley is the guy to lead the team in Rodgers’ absence.
All right. If the Packers’ passing game doesn’t greatly rebound against the Lions – who rank eighth worst in passing yards allowed – that should be convincing evidence that the Packers have had a decade of success mostly due to Rodgers – and mostly in spite of McCarthy’s coaching.
This Lions game is as much a test for McCarthy as it is for Hundley.
My compliments on an excellent piece Rob – one of the absolute best I’ve read on this site.
You make a good case, however I don’t think it’s as binary as you make it. Jury is still out on Hundleys skill, we all concur he isn’t and will never play to the level of Rodgers or Brady. We also know MM has shown a litany of problems adjusting his gameplans, especially mid game [recall the Great Seattle Meltdown(s)].
I don’t believe we can confine the problem just to these two individuals. Even with #12 playing the team exhibited gaping holes in defense – (primarily the Swiss-cheese secondary) the oline was decimated, special teams flat and receivers muffing catchable passes. Marty B has been a grand disappointment and, as pointed out by someone in an earler piece, it seems there’s something wrong w Nelson. So the blame certainly can and should be spread over the whole team.
I agree this coming game could possibly show where the large part of the problem lies. I think we can safely say this team aint gonna be in SB XLIX, playoffs are highly unlikely. The real question will be – can MM lead this team to rally around Brett-2 and leverage their talent to at least make a respectable showing for the rest of the season.
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The real Rob Born is back!
Packers’ wideouts have had problems getting open the last few seasons, so the passing game has had to rely on 12’s accuracy and savvy. Now we have a guy in with 1.75 games experience. I foresee disaster as lack of open receivers will lead to INTs or sacks; Hundley can run but the half-life for that strategy isn’t very long. I anticipate that Dave, the long lost Lions fan, will reappear on this site Tuesday to gloat over our demise. Be prepared.
Or, maybe Hundley just isn’t that good. And it isn’t just McCarthy. Hundley did fall to the 5th round. Other teams saw the deficiencies and his issues going through progressions.
I’m sorry, did you not see this dude back in pre-season, he was/is a star. He was the highest rated passer. King of the hill. Top dog, Dawg.
Maybe he isn’t that good you say? Wouldn’t that be a reflection of McCarthy? I mean, i think he should know Hundley and his game by now.
Seriously though…with Rodgers gone, i’m biding my time and i give no fuck because…..where they going? No where is right.
So i’ll just kick back and let the circus master entertain me. If you you can’t force the circus out of town, might as well watch it, and laugh at it.
Hundley + Fat Mike= 4-12. Cleveland will get their only win against us. Hopefully that will be straw breaks Fat Mike’s & Cadaver teds back!! Hire competent HC & GM, Aaron comes back healthy next year and we run out a few Super Bowls. Meantime stepping all over Lavender penis logo queens ‘en route. That Stench to the west, might be fortunate this year with Cyclops Zimmer, but if loopy eye does make WC?? be 1 and done. Good for a dirty cheap-shot filthy team.
I’m with Kato on this one.
Hundley isn’t a good QB.
You never know what a guy has until they see the field in a regular season game. What I saw was a QB who was extremely slow on reading his progressions, a guy with a slow release, and then the worst possible thing for a QB, he was inaccurate in his throws.
Let’s put this in perspective just how bad Hundley is. Here is a list of Packer QBs who had a better QB rating in their first start for the Packers:
Let’s not forget that Matt Flynn looked capable in this offense. Not Aaron Rodgers, but he could run the offense and look good while doing so. Hundley just doesn’t have it.
Yes! Never forget about Flynn. It is a mystery how he was only able to run our offense quite well, but failed everywhere else (actually, he got like 10M from SEA to just sit on the bench, so that can hardly be seen as a failure).
Nice touch with the Alan Risher comment. Had to look that one up!
Love that photo……..RUN COLIN RUN!!
Very interesting article, Rob.
Hey, in any case, what is happening with the site? A lot of times it is not accessible.
Fairly certain the sites security company have their heads up their asses. In the last 4 to 5 weeks I have been banned twice. For the last week I have been forbidden. I don’t think I have been forbidden from anything by anyone in decades.
Got this chance to read some articles. May not be back on for a while. Good job Rob.
Cobb was right when he said receivers were open over the top. The problem with Cobb saying it was he tended not to be the one open. Some of the times when receivers were open the O line allowed quick pressure. The bigger problem was Hundley does not anticipate the next zone the receiver will be open in the route, so he doesn’t pull the trigger and throw to the next zone or area to an open receiver.