The two Green Bay Packers receivers who are among the team’s walking wounded — Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb — do not have serious injuries.
Nelson pulled up lame with a quad injury during the first series of the Packers’ loss to the Falcons. Cobb hurt his shoulder late in the game.
Cobb is currently day-to-day.
#Packers WR Randall Cobb, who had an MRI for a shoulder injury today, is considered day-to-day, source said. Nothing major.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) September 18, 2017
Here’s the but.
While Nelson’s injury isn’t considered serious, he only has a 50 percent chance to play in week 3.
Packers WR Jordy Nelson's quad strain is not considered serious but he is "50-50" for Sunday vs. Bengals, per source.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 19, 2017
If the Packers were playing, say, the Minnesota Vikings or Detroit Lions in week 3, we might be concerned. They’re playing the 0-2, offensively-challenged Cincinnati Bengals, though.
Throw in that the Bengals are an AFC team and this game means next to nothing. That’s not to say the Packers shouldn’t win. They should win regardless. Cincinnati hasn’t even scored a touchdown yet this year.
What I’m getting at here is, why not just hold Jordy out of this game and make sure he’s 100 percent for the Bears the following week? Or even hold him out of the Bears game if he isn’t 100 percent.
Point being, the Packers have bigger fish to fry.
I would suspect if the Packers get one of their starting tackles back this week, they’ll have no problem with the Bengals.
Need better doctors/training staff or tougher players. Only 2 weeks into the season, so many injuries already! GEEZ! Toughen up.
With Randall and Rollins in the back field Dalton will look like a top ten QB.
LMAO, you have that right Bob. Dalton in 2 weeks couldn’t hit side of a barn from inside! Up next Cadaver Thompson drafts picks, will make Dalton look like Johnny U
Sad but true Bob. Especially when someone like Blake Bortles can throw for 320 yards against us, or Matt Barkley for 362 yards, and those aren’t even good QB’s.
I agree. HOW the %$#% you let Bortles throw for 320???? CHRIST!!
There are injuries and injuries. If someone lands on you and rolls your leg, then there is nothing you can do under that unfortunate occurrence. You will have a sprain or a torn ligament. However, muscle pulls or tears are the things that strength conditioning aims to reduce or eliminate. This type of injury is what should be telling of how good our coaching staff is. Concussions fall on the “unfortunate injury you cannot do much to prevent” class. Well, maybe just by not leading with the head… but if you are the one taking the hit, there’s not a lot you can do.
Cincinnati hasn’t scored a touchdown.. Dalton goes for what then on Sunday? 300 yards 3 TDs?
OK, I effin did it. Went through ESPN’s injury list for every team, dated yesterday. I classifies the injuries in terms of “muscle” and “non-muscle”. Halfway through the list it became evident. The league average, including us is 31.2% for muscle-related injuries, the ones that conditioning should prevent, and 68.8% for non-muscle injuries, like sprains, ligament tears, concussions and fractured bones. And… yes, as we suspected : GB has SEVEN muscle related injuries versus just THREE non-muscle-related ones. So, basically the exact opposite as the league’s average.
And that idiot Aaron Nagler actually replied to the “why do we have so many injuries” question with “remove the blinders from your eyes, all teams have their share of injuries”. The other answer he gave to a similar question was “because they play NFL football”. What an idiot… and someone pays him to say those things.
OK, the very simple stay observation I made in 20 min during lunchtime speaks for itself. And it suggests we do have a conditioning issue. Of course more data should be taken as the season progresses, but the list already contained a total of 141 injuries from the 32 teams, so fluky happenings should be pretty evened out.
*stay* was due to the autocorrect, pease ignore it.
If I am reading this right, this is strictly a percentage based on the number of injuries overall in the league? In other words there could be a team with 15 people on their injury list and 6 fall into the soft tissue classification. Still equates to approximately the same ratio, but the team has just as many soft tissue injuries as the packers.
Good question. No, actually it is as bad as it seems. The league average is 1.375 soft tissue injuries and 3.031 non-muscle related. So, GB having seven in the soft tissue bunch jumps off the page. We are leading the league in total injured players, by one. Of those few teams that have eight or nine total injured guys, none has more than three muscle related injuries. So there it is. Time to review our conditioning program.
Good info MJ.
I could even add that regarding the non-muscle injuries, we had average luck (three, right on the average). But we have waaaay more than our fair share of muscle injuries: 7 vs 1.375. The fact that the stats span the entire league, and different teams train differently, our staff seems to be doing something wrong. An easy solution? Fire the entire conditioning staff, and hire people from ANY other team. It can do no worse.
The runners up are the Colts, with four muscle injuries and two of the more fluky ones. So maybe do not hire from Indianapolis, but even then, it would be an upgrade.
And there are eleven teams with zero muscle-related injuries, amongst them our beloved Lions and Vikes.
Interesting. Thanks for looking into it. I was curious how we compared to the rest of the league, or if as fans of a team, we were suffering from familiarity syndrome, meaning we know our injury situation well, but are unaware of the injuries for other teams around the league.
Nice job MJ, good to know real facts..
Always take what reporters say with a grain of salt unless they source a direct quote. Otherwise they are just like you and i, just expressing their opinions. They are often wrong, just like i was wrong once back a few years ago.
I would definitely rest Nelson against the Bungles. Hopefully, a week off will help keep this quad injury from becoming a nagging one for Jordy, plus it might give Rodgers a chance to get more in rhythm with the other wide receivers on this roster. Outside of Nelson, Cobb and Adams, there’s been a big drop off in production at WR so far, and it would certainly be a positive thing to see someone like a Geronimo Allison have a chance to get more involved in this offense.
I don’t buy that conditioning is necessarily directly correlated to soft tissue injuries. I feel like some of them manifest themselves the same way a sprain does. Take Bahktiari’s hamstring injury for example. I don’t think that is a conditioning issue. I also don’t know that the packers suffer more muscle injuries than other teams on a year to year basis as some you believe. DeSean Jackson and Arian Foster when he played had constant hamstring issues much like Clay. Some people are more predispositioned to suffer those injuries. Aaron Rodgers had that calf injury at the end of the 2014 season against the lions. Do you really think that was a conditioning issue?
Agree, Bahk took a weird fall and landing. If I recall correctly Rodgers hurt his calf against Tampa. It didn’t help that the asshole Suh stomped on it the next week. I think at the time Rodgers said his calf cramped during the Tampa game. He said he was suprised because he had drank a lot of fluids that week because he had the flu. Rodgers also indicated he had a hydration test at it came out good. So the team must perform hydration tests weekly?
I think most but not all of the soft tissue problems may be from the muscles not being conditioned to full game conditions. The muscles are micro damaged from the increased and different work load. The following week the micro damaged muscles are then put under additional stress causing some soft tissue minor or major failures. It may be related to lack of fluid, and mineral retention. Also some buildup or loss of minerals related to Delayed on-set muscle soreness may be occurring.
I would be sure the Packer trainers are on top of this stuff. They probably employ cutting edge practices. But you never know. If it has to do with not getting the soft tissues acclimated to full game conditions then maybe a little more preseason game action is warranted.
Howard, i’ll throw this out there, just as a possibility, and it isn’t meant to be a direct shot at Ted, but……..do we have more injured players because we draft more players with injury history, looking for that “value” from draft picks, versus other teams that may pass on a player based on injury history?
So if someone was inclined, they could do a study on draft picks from each team across the league, and compare how many games they missed, in their first 2,3,4 years, or whatever.
This would take serious time and i can safely say, i won’t be doing it. Rob?
You bring a good point, but that’s precisely why I looked at stats. Those tend to even out random events of bad luck, to the point where you can evidence a trend. But when the data from our team clearly stands out from the rest of the league, something may be happening there. Of course, more data should be collected throughout the season to support bthe case strongly, but the numbers, as I said, just jumped from the page.
It would be interesting to see what happens as the rest of the season goes by. Do they go back more toward the league average number by the end of the year? If so, could that be attributed to them being more conditioned as the season went on? Also, it could be worth tracking what happens on different surfaces throughout the league. It is worth noting that Atlanta suffered a soft tissue injury in this game as well. In other words, see how Atlanta’s players fare at home as well as visiting teams. Am I right in thinking that GB suffered no muscle injuries week one? Besides Bahktiari. Mike Daniels had that hip injury apparently, but I am no sure that was a muscle injury. It may have played a role in him sustaining the hamstring injury.
What about playing on artificial turf compared to real turf. Do they change cleats or stay the same. Both the Lions and Vikes are without play on fake grass and don’t have the issues Greenbay does.
Great point. I was thinking the same thing about the new Falcon field they played on.
The Packers hired some training and conditioning people to try to get a handle on injuries 3 or 4 years ago or so. I’m guessing it was a waste of our money.
We probably will never know why we are injured so much, if it was easy to identify, it should in theory, be easy to fix.
I agree with those that say to sit skill players who are injured, why risk further injury and missed games, let them heal up. If we can’t beat the Bengals at home, where are we going anyway.
These guys are hurt all the time because they’re pussies and are allowed to be hurt. There is no pissed off owner looking these guys in the eye as he hands out the paychecks. These guys go to the bench and are coddled once they get there.
I still look to the image of Richard Sherman in the 2014 NFC Title Game as his arm was dangling there as if it was about to fall off and even THEN he refused to come out of the game. And then afterwards he said, “I couldn’t come out. That would have been letting down my teammates.”
The culture in Green Bay is softer than the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man and led by a coach who kinda resembles him. I’m seriously so close to being off this team for good.
Lions are going to win this division this year. Book it.
The Packers brought in eleven players the last two days. 3 OL, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB, 1 QB, and 2 DL. This tells me the injuries could be worse than we are being told.