I think we’re all getting sick of talking about this, but some people just don’t get it. Some people think that sitting or otherwise making a display during the National Anthem is disrespectful to the flag and to the military. There have been a lot of people spewing hatred toward guys who sat during the anthem and even some aimed at the players who locked arms or engaged in some other display.
And of course that is completely beside the point. Anyone who has paid attention, would realize the point is not to disrespect the military. The point is to draw attention to social injustice, inequality and the divisive nature our so-called president has created.
We understand how some people might be uncomfortable with this. What we don’t understand is the ignorance to the very right these protesters are exercising. You know, free speech.
“I love America! Except when someone exercises a right and makes a statement I don’t agree with! Only my opinion can be voiced in an open forum!”
I mean, straight-up bullshit.
But hey, in many cases there’s no cure for ignorance.
Anyway, Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers was asked about the protests and the general mood surrounding the issue. What he said might surprise you.
— Jason Wilde (@jasonjwilde) September 26, 2017
And that’s spot on. Rodgers is no dummy.
Yesterday, tight end Lance Kendricks, who sat on Sunday, said no one will be sitting going forward. We do expect to see an act of team and hopefully, organizational unity in the weeks to follow.
Rodgers has asked fans to join in and wouldn’t that be amazing if everyone did. There’s probably a better chance of that happening now that we’ve weeded out some of the Confederate flag-waving hillbillies who have sworn off the Packers because their small minds cannot comprehend the situation.
Unfortunately, we still doubt it will be an absolute showing. Some people don’t give a shit about the real issue. Rodgers is 100 percent right — it’s about equality.
And here’s a guy who doesn’t like to be controversial. He’s image-conscious, but we applaud him for speaking out for what’s right.
Bravo Aaron Rodgers for having the balls to say what is right. Some of the backwoods rednecks will undoubtedly still say “they be dispectin the miltary” while gargling down a brat with a Busch lite and then proceed to tell the most racist jokes possible. All with a giant Make America Great Again sign in the yard.
So what do you think of your hero now PF4l? You racist fuck . . .
Hey PF4l! Isn’t what Rodgers said, basically what I was saying? LOL! Ha ha! you fucking gomer.
Yes sir, i have now seen the light, i owe you a debt of gratitude. I finally realized, that all of us that think there are more productive ways to “protest” are out of line or that when we tune into a football game we shouldn’t
foolishly expect it not to be a lesson in social awareness. Obviously, we were wrong and confirms we are all racist. So it dawned on me that we all must be filled with hate and racism.
As a matter of fact, i also realized that none of the people protesting have a shred of racism in them. I think that misconception was started by Kaepernick wearing his white pig socks. He stated he also ordered there to be black pigs on his custom made socks because he said many of the police that killed unarmed victims were in fact, black pigs, as our non racist humanitarian friend Colin calls police officers.
I would suggest we take this awareness to another level. Would it be so bad, if we didn’t even play the football game? Couldn’t we all just unite sitting on the field and discuss these issues? We could invite all walks of life, officers, judges, community leaders, prosecutor, victims of police brutality, politicians, social workers, etc. People who can really make a difference. Wouldn’t that be more socially constructive than playing a silly game where people just end up getting injured anyway?
I didn’t even consider myself a racist, but if someone on an internet blog thinks i am, i can only reach the logical conclusion that i am a racist. I thank you for enlightening me, your intelligence and perception are welcome and greatly appreciated.
You are a blessing from God of kindness, understanding, intelligence and an unselfish giving nature, i am a better person for just knowing you.
So if I am to believe this from you (which I have many reservations against) your response seems quite disingenuous. The C K comment alone gives me pause . . . This reminds me of an old fable:
The Scorpion and the Frog
A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the
scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The
frog asks, “How do I know you won’t sting me?” The scorpion
says, “Because if I do, I will die too.”
The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream,
the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of
paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,
but has just enough time to gasp “Why?”
Replies the scorpion: “Its my nature…”
PF4L, you have a political agenda that precludes you from honest intellectual discourse at this time in your life . . . Just my take
Have a good day :)
It’s not that hard, PF4L.
The free speech / protest is non-violent and the purpose is to raise awareness of racism and police brutality and inequality. These are noble purposes for sure. The method of protest is highly effective as well.
So, racists can’t really attack the message itself. So they do attack the messenger — Colin Kaepernick. But once many others join they can’t attack each of them individually effectively (though you still try with Colin hoping it will besmirch others by association). And you still can’t attack the message (other than in your black hole heart).
So the form of the protest — even though effective and pushing a good message — is the only way of effective attack. So it is twisted into making the protest somehow unpatriotic when it is actually very patriotic to fight racism, so it is the exact reverse of unpatriotic. But some low brow suckers even fall for that obvious dodge!
For instance… you!
Pretending this free speech and these protests are unpatriotic is just a useful dodge for racists. You. Trump. The KKK. You’re all in the same boat. The illogical racist boat.
And all this is exactly what Putin wants. His little puppet is pleasing him greatly.
Well stated . . .
Queen….I never said the protest were unpatriotic, i consistently said there was a better time and place for it, but don’t let the truth get in your way. This is why no one can have a real discussion with people like you, because you make up lies as you go to try to make yourself a look like a big man. Kind of like when you said “everyone” here know’s i’m actually Monty, No one other than you thinks that, you make up lies as you go.
Now go ahead, scream out that i’m a racist, like your pal MMTTDC does, i’m sure he’ll probably reply to you how well stated your comment is.
Now …i challenge you to find a post where i stated it was unpatriotic. I don’t expect to hear from you, just like all the other times i’ve called you out for proof of your lies. You just disappear and “act” like you never saw it….lol
You clowns are so transparent.
You make a legit point that you did not use the actual word “unpatriotic”. That said, you have said much, including above, that these protests should not be happening in this way and you’ve also made a number of racist comments.
So why should they not protest in this way? I’ll tell you why you think that: because it is effective. You — and Trump — would like them to kneel in the locker room or lock arms together in their own homes. In that way the protest would be muffled to the point of invisibility and increased awareness of and togetherness against racism would be limited.
The only reason to be against these protests is racism. That’s it. Now, the majority of those against do utilize the patriotism angle to justify their views as they are uncomfortable with their own racism — they try to disguise racism with patriotism and obscure the patriotism of the protesters (fighting racism is inherently patriotic) by claiming the patriots are unpatriotic. Apparently you do cut out the middle man of the “patriotism” dodge and instead use the ineffectual and insubstantial and really laughable middle man “there was a better time and place for it” (In PF4L’s post straight above folks). Quick, name a time and place that would unify more people and raise more awareness. You can’t. That proves they have actually chosen the VERY BEST time and place for it.
Keep in mind the games are still being played. The pregame is the same length as well. All the discussion and reporting? It is a good thing. Part of raising awareness. What we focus on we get better at. Focus on stopping racism and that racism is an issue and we are doing a great service to our country, our fellow citizens, and out children and our children’s children.
Many racists have seen the light and changed their ways as they matured and gained greater wisdom. I invite you to join their ranks.
(Conversely, non-racists never become racists do they? Doesn’t that tell us something?)
Be a patriot PF4L. You can do it!
Transparent because there is nothing to hide. I believe that you NEVER stated that it was “unpatriotic”. It is your obvious racism that I am calling out. Now let us get back to football please. Where we usually agree that TT, MM and DC suck and are blowing A. Rodgers chances at getting another ring . . .
While I agree in principle with what Rodgers’ is saying, especially the unity and growing together, I want to temper the enthusiasm for the military a little bit here. I wish people could have a better understanding of that life. Realize the same problems and opinions exist there as in the rest of the country. From one veteran’s experience there is an inordinate amount of hero worship going on when it comes to the military (Pat Tillman notwithstanding).
Once upon a time when I was in, I witnessed some things that weren’t supposed to be happening in the military. When I got out, a few years later this thing called the internet took off, and I happened to be in a chat room when the subject of military came up. I relayed some of what I had witnessed first hand and one guy jumped all in my shit calling me a liar and did not believe anything I said. I’d like to think that one guy was how Kato described, some backwood redneck who thinks the military is infallible and deserving of some sort of cult like status.
As Americans we may enjoy certain freedoms. The military is great in many aspects. People may not realize those in the military don’t get to enjoy these freedoms to the fullest. Being a team player is instilled in you during boot camp. And you dare not engage in anything controversial and against the establishment. Anyone in the military who engage in exercising freedom of speech in this manner of protest will be branded and drummed out of the military sooner than later. No fucks will be given. Don’t believe in God you say, I guess you aren’t joining the military because God is right there in the oath you take, so go ahead and you be you dude, see how far that gets you.
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
While I am extremely proud of my service and in general of those who have served, the military isn’t utopia. Being comprised of people, and generally people without many options in life, sometimes a small faction of those people suck and do shitty things. As someone who lived that life for over 6 years, I can certainly appreciate, understand and cherish those freedoms more today. I don’t feel the need to impose my will/beliefs on those who disagree like some zealots do.
Oh, and for those wondering what I witnessed first hand. Aside from domestic problems such as spousal abuse, adultery, alcoholism, gang activity and more, the most shocking was the amount of drugs. Meth was the new kid on the block when I was in San Diego.
Much of the military actively support these protests. Much of the rest take no offense at all. The few remaining? Racists.
Like I said, the same problems and opinions exist. Because of the diversity of where these people come from and why they are there, it is exactly a cross section of America, albeit on a smaller scale. I believe those that that aren’t offended have a better understanding and know there is no need to be offended. Live and let live if you will. As long as someone/group doesn’t try to force their beliefs on others through any means necessary. Then you would see a bit of a reaction, hopefully for the greater good.
I read that the American military — as per your cross section comment — has exactly the same range and percentage of persons of each height. Though I think their are height requirements, looking just at the heights allowed, if 14% of American men are 5’5″ then 14% of the military have men who are 5’5” and so on for every height, men and women. I found that interesting.
Damn. This paints a bit of a picture. While I won’t necessarily associate anyone that served with this, this definitely isn’t the utopia picture of armed forces that people like to paint.
I don’t associate anyone who served as a scumbag either Kato, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt. Once you talk with someone and get a feel for them, you start to notice things. My brother in law is one of these guys who embellished his accomplishments. (No, you did not make a sniper shot from 4,500 yards Rog!) Needless to say I view him in a different light now. Story time.
In the ’80s the Wall was dedicated for Vietnam vets and the black MIA POW flags were starting to come out. I was very close with my uncle, a Vietnam vet and his inner circle of friends. They were forming Wisconsin Vietnam Vets Chapter 1 during this time, and my uncle was friends with MoH recipient Gary Wetzel from when they went to boot camp together. I got to meet and hang out with these guys, met Sammy Davis, another MoH recipient from Illinois, and even General Westmoreland before I went in the Navy. I was in awe of these guys and what they had been through. I saw how much these guys revered Westmoreland, probably the same love that Lombardi’s players had toward Vince himself. It left a great impression on me.
So I am stationed overseas in 1986-87. There was a chief petty officer who was a POW in Vietnam. This guy was a real arrogant asshole. Loud, obnoxious, just a complete asshole to be around. But people respected and tolerated him, because of what he had been through. The command made a huge deal out of this chief. I mean we were a small naval air facility but they put on a show unfurling that POW MIA flag with chief being the center of attention. Seeing him there with the tears streaming down his face and the emotions flowing, all of it. Being a young airman apprentice at the time, the pride I felt of being part of something so amazing, words escape me.
And then the truth came out that this “chief” was putting shit in his own military record. It was all lies and he had embellished everything. Our commanding officer at the time was a great guy. He would come to our shops and visit and mingle, see how we were holding up, really a good guy who was on top of things. I know the “chief” got busted down from E-7 to E-1 and I think he was removed to the brig for his own safety because I think our CO would have killed the guy he was so pissed. That guy shit on everything we believed in, from the CO on down. I don’t think that was the catalyst for the Stolen Valor Act, but there were obviously many other situations just like that eventually leading to needing the act.
Odds are most people don’t meet people that extreme when it comes to embellishing their service and record. But it does go to show people lie, cheat and steal no matter where they are, from politicians, or the police, or the military. Free will makes people do weird shit.
Gold Jacket, Green Jacket, who gives a sh*t.
Ignorant article. I’ve been a Packer fan for 50 years and these protests make me sick. Rodgers is playing the political correct game once again. How is your team showing love and unity when you have three of your teammates sitting on the bench? What are the others really protesting? Kaepernick was initially protesting police brutality supposedly. Now it’s institutional inequality. OK, tell me where there is inequality and we’ll all fight it together. But guess what, they can’t tell you. You can’t make a blanket statement that there is inequality without giving examples of where the institutional racism is. Again, if they could we could all band together and fight it.
How about we all get together to fight one of the biggest problems that no one will discuss? Let’s have the NFL put on a month or two of awareness for this. What is it? No fathers in African American households. If you have the courage go look at the statistics. This issue has decimated black families and not allowed their children to have a fair chance. It’s paramount in the kids lives but it’s not politically correct. Democrats have pushed policies for decades that have ruined the structure of black families and if anyone tries to touch this issue from across the aisle they’re deemed racist. It’s been that way my entire life and doesn’t look to change.
The NFL is a joke as is Rodgers in this case. They’re all now trying to protect the shield. How come Rodgers gets to now define what the protests are about….did he start them? He’s a great spin spokesperson. If Rodgers is about love and unity maybe he should call his mom and dad.
Please, PLEASE. I don’t think we have the time to clear up all your misinformation and misdirection.
But… I guess we have to try.
As per politically correct game. The game here is those claiming protesting racism is unpatriotic. That is the game. And some even fall for it. Example, you.
As per Kaepernick’s stance changing over time to be more expansive and more inclusive. Well… GOOD! Yes, we evolve, our opinions evolve, our opportunities open up. It is a good thing. You use it as a discredit to Kaepernick but it is actually a credit.
You then say you will fight inequality together… yet actively fight the fight against it by trying to discredit the protesters themselves. Neat trick! You think people are going to fall for that?
Then you go on the attack — attacking African American families and attacking Democrats. It’s kind of like attacking African Americans during the Civil War for not being as well educated… when they were not allowed to go to school! And then blame the problems on the one party trying to help solve the problems! Again, neat trick. Do you believe your own false propaganda or are you just standing by the table of poisoned Kool-Aid hoping others will drink it while hiding your smirk behind your hand?
Gotta give credit where credit is due though = your last line was spot on.
Killer, I have lived in Illinois my entire life, and lived by Chicago for the past four years. I am completely aware of the mess known as Chicago. One of the most liberal cities in the country, yet one of the most segregated. It is also one of the most violent. At least here, there is definitely a culture problem. Constantly see stories about adolescents being involved in heinous crimes. It is awful, and not their faults. I think mentor programs would help a lot. Case in point, the running back the packers had last year, Don Jackson
One of us has lost the thread here. Chicago is segregated soooooo… the protests are wrong? There is a “culture problem” soooo…. racism is OK? There are adolescents involved in heinous crime soooooo…. it is OK to shoot unarmed non-violent adolescents?
By the way, “culture problem” is a code for racism. You pretend you have no problem with skin color it is just the “culture problem” therefore it is OK.
No. Not OK. Racism.
If you want to compare “culture problem” though: Which “culture” created the KKK? White supremacists? Are responsible for voting Trump into office?
Here is the thing though: There is not a black culture and a white culture. There is an American culture that includes both and all others. We are proudly the melting pot. There are people who are not a part of the American culture — such as the KKK members. They are just bad people, not a “culture”.
I don’t think you are informed enough to even have a meaningful conversation. You make my point by saying I’m attacking African American families…it’s just the opposite…I’m trying to help African American families and you’re completely OK with the decimation. It’s hilarious if you think the democrat party (the party of the KKK) cares to fix what they created. Just call people racists and feel good about yourself.
Racism is an attack on African-American families and, no, racism does NOT help African-American families.
Many KKK were democrat way back when and Lincoln was the first Republican. That said, Lincoln sure as hell would be a democrat were he alive today. Dealing with today, the present, actual current reality, yes, the Democratic party is the best represent-er of and for the African-Americans and the Republicans are the party of the KKK. What percentage of KKK members do you think voted Democrat in the last election (those who voted)? 1%? Half a percent?
No Democrats support racism. Many Republicans do, some outright, some inwardly in secret. KKK is racist. Do the math. 2+2. You know darn well the Democratic party is not the party of the KKK. You are just plain lying and you know it.
Live in today. Otherwise all your arguments about patriotism melt away and you are just a Tory supporting the British right to rule and tax the thirteen colonies. Plus, you think the world is flat.
Every KKK member was a democrat is a fact of history. Robert Byrd who was democratic senator from 1059 to 2010 was a Klu Klux Klan member into his forties and filibustered the Civil Rights Act. Hilary Clinton sang his praises over and over. William Fulbright, a segregationist, was Bill Clinton’s mentor. Al Gore’s dad was a segregationist. The Civil Rights Act was passed with more Republican votes. Lyndon Johnson was a racist if you review what he said about blacks during the Civil Rights era. This is the history of the democratic party and its in their DNA. I could go on and on. History can be your friend.
Again, PLEASE, all of the “older gentlemen you named were BEFORE the civil rights fiasco. Quitwith your duplicitous spin. Rubes may fall for it, but not everyone else . . . geesh
PLEASE! Please go away! The KKK is from the old democratic party before the Civil Rights Fiasco. You are either VERY uninformed or just VERY intellectually dishonest. This was a very poor deflection and KILLER is correct. Go study your right wing talking points better, then come back :) The cracks in your armor are showing . . .
I will go away because you guys and your lack of history knowledge makes you mental midgets on this topic and therefore you can’t debate and is one of the big reasons our country is in the state we are in. I should hand over the reins to a third grader who would be able to hold his own. Here’s another fact that you can choose to dismiss. Who said this concerning Barack Obama running for President? “you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy…”? I think we can all agree that this is a pretty racist statement considering that you are inferring that all other blacks were stupid and dirty and ugly. Well, it was no other than Joe Biden. Have a great day!
PLEASE, Biden did say that, you are correct.
You failed to mention it was taken a bit out of context however. Both Obama and Jesse Jackson himself didn’t take it the way you were pushing it just now, 10 years after the fact. Revisionist history has a funny way of manifesting itself. Yes, Biden made the statement, only not in the way you want to win this argument by taking what he said literally at face value and disregarding his actual intent.
And I thought that MM was the only Buffoon . . . Biden was most likely referencing for the right leaning moderates and the right wingers who were absolutely over GWB . . . PLEASE, submit you r empirical data PROVING that my contention that the 2 political parties did not switch platforms. Plus data PROVING that many people in the south did not switch party affiliation due to the “Civil Rights Act.”
The problem EMPACADOR is that many people on both sides of the political spectrum, will, once they see something that fits their narrative and thus enables their confirmation bias (no matter how absurd and false ) will stop there with the misguided sense that they are now correct. Political predators and their minions know this all too well and utilize this to it’s maximum. PLEASE and PF4L fall into this category by either being one of those (predators or minions) or even sadder . . . The rubes that fall for it, then continue to spout the bullshit at the top of their lungs . . .
MMTTDCSUCK…You’re view of the parties switching is a total myth. It has most recently been debunked by Dinesh D’Souza in his book, movie and various debates at universities. The racist democrats stayed in the democrat party to their death. Just google Dinesh D’Souza and the “party switch myth”.
Agree and disagree. I disagree, and believe that there are issues policing black neighborhoods. I have made that belief heard here.
HOWEVER, I do think the media has had a hand in overblowing the situation and making it sound like the police are attacking black citizens because they feel like it. Absolutely correct in policies that have broken up black families, which were the model family in the 60’s btw. There has also been a culture problem in the black community for the past 30 years. I think the issues of policing as well as the culture issues that have evolved have created the situation we have today. Definitely needs to be responsibility taken on both sides.
EMPACADOR…I took nothing out of context…Biden said what he said. It doesn’t matter that some people choose to not take offense. It’s obviously racist. Of course he’s trying to smooth it over. Who wants to be called a racist. He’s made several other racist statements as well. Care to look up his quote on Indians concerning convenience stores.
You proved my point. Taken literally at face value only. I agreed with you, he said those words. Yet that still wasn’t good enough for you. I suppose you’ve never run into anyone or said yourself “I will murder you” or “I will kill you” being said in jest, like in a game or something. How you can differentiate between that being taken out of context, but conclude Biden was racist in his statement means you have selective interpretation skills. As was previously said, whatever version fits your narrative is the version you will use.
Biden has a history of spouting out racists statements but he gets a pass because he’s on the left. Just like when Bill Clinton said of Obama when his wife was running for President, “A few years ago he would have been carrying our bags”. If a Republican said that his career would have been over. But the leftist press continually give their own a pass. I’m not sure you understand “context” concerning Biden. The “context” was that he was trying to compliment Obama without a written statement and from his heart. That statement did come from his heart…his true feelings…which is why it’s so revealing and is also tremendously racist. You obviously must like Biden and are trying to protect him with some ill fitted analogies.
I don’t care for politicians as a general rule. Biden is no different than Pence as far as I am concerned.
This “protest” started with Kaperdick and his radical islamic girlfriend stating that they hate the Police and they hate America. It never ended, and to now state it’s about unity is BS. Bennett in Seattle piled on with his claim that the Police held a gun to his head and we had to get lectured by him and Pete Carroll only to hear the real facts that he was in a casino that had just called the Police saying there was an active shooter on site and as the Police are passing through the casino Bennett decides to take off running out an exit door into on-coming traffic and the Police pursue and he wonders why they had their guns drawn. Eff the NFL. Article written by LA screenwriter, could have guessed what his position would have been
Yes and yes
No and no. You are selectively choosing “facts” and twisting words. They are against racism and do not want unarmed innocents abused or killed. C’mon, is that really a “hate America” situation?
Why do the protests offend and threaten you so much?
Fear. Afraid of the truth. Racism. Fear of people uniting against racism and unequal treatment. Fear you’ve been wrong all these years.
Amen . . .
Show me where there is racism and I will stand against it with you. But it’s got to be real racism and not some general vague scenario. Fear of the truth??? Seriously, I’m all about getting to the truth. “Hands up Don’t shoot” was a discovered to be a lie that drove the nation’s narrative for months. That’s the problem, you do not search for truth yourself.
“Article written by LA screenwriter, could have guessed what his position would have been” Nice. Talk about being judgmental. Get out much?
Isn’t there a football game tomorrow? I can appreciate the players sitting around at work having meetings, discussing their strategy on how to deal with social issues, but i thought they went to work to prepare for their next football game.
I know, i know, i know….I’m obviously a racist. You got me again.
PF4L… the games are still being played. Or did you not notice the Packers struggle against the mighty Bengals? The pregame takes the same amount of time.
You act like the players are doing this INSTEAD of work/playing. Just not true. It is IN ADDITION. Just like many of them also do charity work. This is just like that charity work in its various forms. It is helpful, good, constructive, non-violent, makes a positive difference.
Stop lying. To yourself and everyone else.
….. simple minded monkeys going at it not even realizing they are being laughed at. Dumb and dumber keeping us entertained.
Insults: the last (and typical) refuge of the intellectually challenged. When logical arguments run out, the insults begin.
Say something logical and then we can talk. In the meantime i’ll just wait patiently, like a queen fan waits to celebrate a Super Bowl victory.
You do realize that you can’t debate. Your comebacks have no basis in reality just your feelings. Everyone should believe your takes because……who knows. Everyone is a rube or a racist who doesn’t agree with you. You live in the world of identity politics that has created the environment where someone like Trump could be elected. Try to be better.
Lol! You show me one thing and expect that to erase 60 years of history? Your confirmation bias is amazing.
Cucks to the left of me. Cucks to the right of me. Rodgers is a moron. “Equality” is an impossibility. Try “equal rights”, genius. Let me make it really simple for y’all. It all comes down to one thing — and one thing only: SHE LOST. GET OVER IT. Class dismissed.
Boy, gee whiz! thanks for sharing that absolutely ridiculous and oft repeated Red Herring about Clinton losing and just get over it BS. This means FUCKING nothing CDP. Class never happened . What you have right now is a huckster in office. In a few years (If he stays in) Y’all (using YOUR vernacular) will be wishing that you had not been fooled and schooled so badly that it took time to feel your own personal ass-raping by this sociopath. It WILL happen, and yes “genius”! You will have been taken completely unaware by it . . .