Look I know this latest free agent acquisition has flashed and provided a spark when it was needed versus the Giants in the wild card round, but in my opinion that is the only time he should handle the ball — in an emergency.
When you’re playing in a dome and the idea is almost always to take a touchback to avoid a negative play, having an electrifying yet unstable presence receiving the kick isn’t necessary or worth the risk.
Catching the ball is the most important thing and watching Michael’s lack of technique as he continually fields kickoffs above shoulder level is going to cost the Green Bay Packers more than it did this past Sunday.
He does flash and offer something in the running game, but it comes at a very high risk that I could ever get behind as worth it.
I’m sorry, man. The fact that Charles Woodson gave you the advice to follow and Micah Hyde executed it HAS to chap your ass some. Doesn’t it?
It damn well better because not only were you not a proactive, aggressive, anticipating assassin out there on Sunday, you were pretty much the complete opposite.
You credited Charles Woodson with giving you the advice to attack the play based on your film study. And just trust what you see and go for it. Well, I can say with some certainty that you didn’t recognize ANYTHING in film study this week because you were sitting back and being as unaggressive as I’ve ever seen.
Pro Bowl? Pfffft.
Tentative, slow reacting, missed tackles and pretty much zero impact. Anyone remember Clinton-Dix making a play on Sunday? I don’t. Anyone remember Kentrell Brice making a play? Yeah, Brice makes some mistakes too, but at least he’s getting SOMETHING done out there. After he blasted Cole Beasley into next Tuesday, the Cowboys slot receiver caught just one more ball the rest of the game.
After the game Ha Ha tweeted this: Today was a movie man.
Yeah, maybe it was. Because you were a spectator. Watching. And this team needs a hell of a lot more than that from a (cough, cough) Pro Bowl safety.
Step. The Fuck. Up.
How many plays has Clay Matthews made this year? I recall one really good game where he dominated and then disappeared off the face of the planet.
People can tell me all they want that the Packers are better off with Clay Matthews outside, but his production from that position tells a very different story.
Although it did seem to be by design that the Packers played more edge contain on Dak Prescott than all-out pressures, Matthews just doesn’t get it done on the outside and hasn’t gotten it done on the outside versus mid-level or better offensive linemen all season.
The guy can still make plays, but I don’t think I’ll ever be convinced he’s ever been a better OLB than ILB.
The Packers need more out of Clay and simply put, that means more snaps inside. I’d like to see a heavy dose of Datone Jones on one side and Nick Perry on the other collapsing the pocket with Clay floating around in the middle, outside, moving all over the place.
Right, you wouldn’t want to have Jeff Janis return a kickoff. If he breaks it, which is very,
very possible, the coaching staff might look like fools in the playoffs again this year.
WTF – was surprised Janis wasnt out there after great showing previous week….
Was sure hed come in for Trevor Davis when Adams went out….
Can’t figure that situation out…..
Yep . . .
I completely agree with all three. Where was Clinton- Dix is the who that really amazed me.
Cant afford to gave HaHa become a joke on Sunday…
The team needs to limit Randall’s snaps at Corner. I say put in Hawkins. If you want to have Randall play use him as a free safety in the dime. We have no free safety that could have covered the ground and intercepted that ball in the end zone against Seattle that Randall made. The team has to mix it up in the defensive backfield, and jam the receivers to attempt to force Matt Ryan to hesitate. If Burnett is healthy put him in as one of the ILBers. Gunter, Hawkins, and Hyde corners. Brice and Dix safeties, Burnett ILB. Randall comes in as safety in dime.
You forgot one. They must absolutely fire Mike McCarthy immediately. Get another coach in there like Chip Kelly, Jon Gruden, Bill Cowher, Eric Mangini. Super Bowl, guaranteed because MM is the worst coach ever who only has a job because of Rodgers. MM doesn’t know footbaw.
“MM is arrogant because he thinks he is a highly successful coach” – Well, when someone asks you about your job performance and if you are good at your job, if you have any kind of pride and/or confidence in yourself that is being confident, not arrogant.
“McCarthy wouldn’t have success without Rodgers or Favre. Yeah, ok, I am sure Aaron Rodgers was immediately a HOF QB and a top 5 all time at his position guy coming out of the draft, after having experience in a pro style offense in college. 23 other teams just passed on him though because they wanted the packers to have another qb because there was absolutely nothing wrong with him. MM had absolutely nothing to do with grooming Aaron Rodgers, it was all by himself, and maybe a little help in Brett because he was super interested in helping Aaron.
Oh, it’s funny you bring up Brett. In his second year in MM’s system (2007), he had arguably his best season in a decade, throwing his fewest interception total since 2001, and finished second in the MVP voting after having a couple terrible years. Oh, and he played in his first conference championship game since the 97 season. He also had the second highest passer rating of his career.
“Let’s see MM win with Seneca Wallace at QB” – Um, did anyone? Oh, Mike Holmgren went 3-5 with Seneca Wallace as the starting QB in 2008 btw. A team isn’t going to win as many games without their starting QB in a QB driven league. Wow, what a revelation Sherlock.
Ok, a final little fact. The 1993 season had Belichick make the controversial decision of cutting Kosar while backup Vinny Testaverde, who had been signed from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, was injured. The Browns were in first place at the time and the Browns faltered as Todd Philcox became the starter. The browns finished 7-9, going 2-7 down the stretch. Maybe Belechick is riding the coattails of Tom Brady.
Or the fact that when the 49ers drafted Smith ahead of Rodgers partially because the Buffoon did not think Rodgers was that good . . . or how about McCarthy’s OC record before he came to GB? Stellar was it not? . . .
To be fair, a lot of people preferred Smith over Rodgers. And Smith has turned out to be a good qb, obviously not what Rodgers has become. That is partially why I posted that but about Belicheck at the end of his Browns tenure. Every coach out there makes mistakes, and misjudges what they have. But back to Smith and Rodgers. I don’t know if you remember, but a lot of people viewed Alex Smith as more fundamentally sound with footwork and progressing through reads, and was more ready for the pro game. This despite Rodgers playing in a pro style offense. Also, he was considered arrogant and one of the biggest compaints was he would often bail out of a play prematurely and leave the pocket before finishing his progressions. Which he is still guilty of today. Rodgers is 100x the QB he was when he was drafted. I think his arrogance was misplaced by scouts, I just think it was mistaken for supreme confidence in himself and his abilities, Which is part of how he become what he is. Also, his athleticism was way underrated, MM is on the record saying he underestimated his athletic ability. His fundamentals were cleaned up, as was his ability to read defenses and go through progressions. The arm talent was definitely already there.
All this blah blah blah bullshit about the draft. A lot of people prefered Smith..blah blah blah…who gives a fuck. That matters nothing.
Guess what…. A lot of people thought Tony Mandarich was an absolute can’t miss. Blah blah blah.
Guess what…A lot of people didn’t think Brady was worth drafting before the 6th round. Blah blah blah.
Any talk about where someone goes in the draft, doesn’t prove jack shit .Except that you are a fucking moron.
Yeah, even when Brady was out with a knee injury for 2008 and the Patriots finished 11-5. Belichick was really riding the coat tails of Brady during that season. Yes they missed the playoffs with a good record. The question remains, if it was Rodgers missing an entire season, would McCarthy be as successful? Survey says “NO!”.
You forgot Matt Patricia.
I posted this at the end of a thread earlier . . . It warrants repeating; here is an excerpt:
Unit success or team success doesn’t always confirm that a coach is doing good work. Take the Falcons’ opponents in the NFC Championship Game for example. Mike McCarthy has done everything possible to hinder the Packers chances. From running a rudimentary offense to retaining the often overwhelmed Dom Capers as his defensive coordinator, McCarthy is a big reason why Aaron Rodgers had to play historically well for the Packers just to make it into the playoffs.
Even other pundits and teams see these charlatans for what they are . . .
Exactly. With Rodgers playing the way he is, the only explanation for NOT winning the
SuperBowl this year is poor coaching. (This includes Capers.) And, by the way, where the
hell is that quality ILB we’ve obviously needed since the 49ers embarrassment? That’s
on you Ted Thompson! Jake Ryan, my eye.
Joe Thomas is twice the ILB that Ryan is. Martinez? I believe that he is another ILB that TT over rated by a huge amount. It is quite believable that a GM can miss on certain players. But year after year? If he is choosing these guys, who in the hell is recommending them to him? These cats couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with their personnel assessments’ at ILB. Ryan = AJ Hawk V 2.0
I believe it’s McCarthy that is fully responsible for the defense. Because he is the Head Coach and if he isn’t happy with the defense, he has full power and authority to change anything with the defense, even replacing the coordinator. Which he has refused to do. So ultimately, the defense you see, is Mike McCarthy’s defense.
I don’t disagree that Capers needs to go.
It’s laughable to suggest that it’s McCarthy who made Rodgers into a HOF QB. Rodgers came in with confidence and skills, his athleticism wasn’t taught by some 2nd rate OC. Nor was his intelligence or arm strength.
The one thing that Rodgers had to change was his delivery, and there is no account, that suggest that was under McCarthy’s tutelage. Even if it was…..so fucking what.
Where is the history of McCarthy grooming ANY QB into HOF talent? Show us, or stfu about this already.
To suggest that it was McCarthy who “made” Rodgers, makes you look like an unintelligent fool.
Maybe your time is better spent reading our post and actually learning something, and less time acting like you think you know something.
Yeah. You are right. Rodgers was a polished product ready to come in and start day one. GTFO. FUCKING no one thought THAT highly of him. Otherwise he would have been the first fucking pick off the board. Like Peyton Manning. Like Andrew Luck. Like John Elway.
Let’s recap. With pick 5, the bucs (Jon Gruden, supposed QB guru) passed on picking Rodgers and picked Cadillac Williams. They rolled with Brian fucking Greise as their QB.
With the third pick, the Dolphins (and Nick Saban) passed on Rodgers as well and picked Ronnie Brown.
The browns passed at #3 and went with Trent Dilfer
The cowboys and Bill Parcells passed on him and started Drew Bledsoe that year.
The point is, a lot of teams passed on him, and for good reason.
And what was that good reason? Enlighten us.
We don’t know what the draft boards looked like and whether teams placed value on players or positions of need. According to the article linked in Wikipedia “Many teams drafting between the second and 23rd positions had positional needs more pressing than quarterback.” I seem to recall everyone being concerned with Rodgers being another Jeff Tedford disciple. Probably the best thing that happened to Rodgers was having to sit on the bench and observe.
You don’t have to like Rodgers. Maybe you do, I don’t know. Hard to tell with all the pro McCarthy campaigning you do. I’ve never heard anyone, other than you (and I suspect you are being sarcastic when you say it), ever claim Rodgers was polished, let alone Andrew Luck, Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning coming out of college. Go read about the 1998 draft if you wonder why I added Leaf into the equation. We all know how that turned out.
1. Nick Saban is a douche and high tailed it back to college where he remains a douche.
2. Cleveland is Cleveland and does Cleveland like things. Dilfer was a Super Bowl winning QB. In their eyes they were set. Also see Minnesota.
3. Parcells had a history with Bledsoe from his Patriot days. And they already had Romo on the roster. Add Jerry to the equation, plus two 1st round selections spent on defense.
4. Gruden-Griese signed with and performed well for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and provided a catalyst for the jumpstart of the Tampa offense. Griese helped them to their only victories in 2004 with a 97.5 QB rating and to a 5–1 record in 2005 before succumbing to a torn ACL.
It goes on like that. Minnesota and Dallas both missed twice. You implying that everyone passed on Rodgers because he was a head case is straight up revisionist theory/history bullshit in order to bolster your argument that McCarthy is a better coach than he actually is. McCarthy is Mike Sherman with a better QB. Or maybe Ray Rhodes without a QB. Reader’s choice.
No, I am implying that teams passed on Rodgers because he was far from perfect. Yes, being a Tedford product played a role. Let’s say Peyton Manning somehow didn’t get chosen by the chargers or colts. Do you think he would have fallen out of the top 10? The top 5? The point is Rodgers was hardly homerun QB prospect. I never said he was a headcase. He had the skillset to be a successful QB, he just needed time to learn the game. I think people underestimated his ceiling. None of those teams would have passed on Rodgers knowing what they know now.
I’ll give you a lot of people underestimated Rodgers, including McCarthy. Look, I get McCarthy is “somewhat” responsible for the success of Aaron Rodgers. I mean he could bench the guy or do any number of things to derail his own coaching career in the process. I think McCarthy knew he was going to have more success having Rodgers over Favre, so he was instrumental in helping assist Favre out of town.
I’m not a Favre fanatic. Although I appreciate what he did for the Packers and football, there was always something about Favre that just didn’t sit right with me. I felt vindicated once his true colors were on display, pretty much the second half of his career, but especially as he left Green Bay like a bitch and wished ill will toward the entire organization and fan base.
For whatever reason, I have the same disdain for McCarthy since 2009. I don’t see him as anything special. And every time he exhibits that condescending, smug attitude of his I feel more vindication for feeling exactly the same way as I did regarding Favre. The funny thing is, more people love them some Favre and will admit he had some special qualities, whereas there aren’t going to be as many people quick to jump on the McCarthy bandwagon saying the same thing. I’d say when it comes to Favre, it was probably a 50-50 split between Holmgren and Favre. There is no way that McCarthy is 50% responsible for making Rodgers into what he is today. 20% is probably pushing it.
I agree. Rodgers was supremely talented coming into the NFL, but had some flaws in his game. Coaching takes you the rest of the way. Steve Young is a prime example of this. He was the first overall pick of the USFL draft, ahead of some dude by the name of Reggie White.
“The one thing that Rodgers had to change was his delivery, and there is no account, that suggest that was under McCarthy’s tutelage. Even if it was…..so fucking what.”
Um. No. That is false. If that was the case, a team would have picked him earlier. That is the definition of can’t miss QB prospect.
“Where is the history of McCarthy grooming ANY QB into HOF talent? Show us, or stfu about this already.”
Um, I just did. How many coaches out there groomed multiple HOF QBs? None that I can think of. There are two parts to a QBs development. The coach’s influence and the QB himself, and the work he puts in. Obviously AR already had unteachable skills like arm strength, athleticism, ect. You know who else had those attributes? Jamarcus Russell. Actually, Cutty had a very similar scouting report out of college. He had a bigger arm than Rodgers and was just as athletic.
“An athletic player with “good body control, good feet and good change of direction.”
“Very bright, learns and retains football well, is a quick study.”
We put on his highlight tape, and I see the strong arm, quick release, consistent velocity and leadership abilities. There are also some negatives—throwing off his back foot, floating the ball and overall footwork—but coaches say those deficiencies could be overcome with time and proper instruction.”
Seems to me the difference between the two was proper coaching of fundamentals early on and willingness to listen to a coaches advice.
Kato….You are seriously fucking stupid. Again…..I didn’t say Rodgers was a polished product, And for the 5th fucking time, i don’t need your dumb ass speaking for me, Understand fuckhead?
If i wanted you to speak for me, then both of us would look like a dumbass.
Do some research, and find out why Rodgers wasn’t the 1st pick. LEARN SOMETHING.
What does it prove that other teams passed on Rodgers? Is that your proof that McCarthy made Rodgers? The only thing other teams passing on Rodgers proves, is that all those teams fucked up, and i’m sure they would tell you the same.
If you came in here, saying Holmgren molded Favre into a top QB, you might actually earn a sliver of respect.
HINT: Next time you want to debate something, Don’t litter your arguments with useless information about matters that have nothing to do with the debate.
Thank you for trying to understand.
Dude. How fucking retarded are you? Explain Favre’s resurgence under MM? I am still awaiting an explanation. MM undoubtedly helped polish up AR’s game. He came in the NFL with the tools needed to succeed.
Not all QBs with these gifts succeed in the NFL. Look at Steve Young for example. He played for a terrible organization in the buccaneers his first couple of years and was terrible, throwing twice as many picks as TDs. Then Bill Walsh traded for him, noting his unique combination of athleticism, and arm talent, and blamed the Tampa Bay organization for not developing him properly and not putting him in a position to be successful. Do you care to tell me what happened after that?
Jesus fucking Christ. I love Aaron Rodgers to death, but I would never be as ignorant to say he never had any help along the way from coaches into developing into a top 5 QB of all time. How fucking far down your throat is Rodgers cock? I am pretty sure I can hear the gurgling right now.
01/17/2017 at 5:53 pm
Dude. How fucking retarded are you? Explain Favre’s resurgence under MM?
I’m not retarded, and i’ll be happy to explain it.
In Favre’s own words. He saw the skills and work that Rodgers was doing. He admitted that he wasn’t a big study, film watching guy. But he said he committed himself to studying and watching the game film like he’d never done before. Which could very well explain his gradually rise from his poor play in 2005.
Listen little man. Like i told you before, read and learn. Do some research. Then post about things you actually know about, not manufacture things to fit your cause.
You love Aaron to death?
Is that why you said Rodgers should be traded and we should start Hundley?
Here’s an exercise for you little man.
Imagine McCarthy is coach of the Packers from 2005 – present. But without Favre and Rodgers.
Then imagine Favre and Rodgers being with the Packers from 2005 – present, But without McCarthy.
Now…Of those 2 scenarios, which team is more successful?
You’ll be justified in ignoring the question. I wouldn’t want to answer it either if i was you.
Yeah. You are right. Coaching has had zero impact on Aaron Rodgers. Why don’t teams just not have coaches and save money? Or maybe just have one or two? Why even bother with a quarterbacks coach? Or even an offensive coordinator that scouts the next week’s opponent and breaks down full with the offense and go over opponent tendancies. Why even do drills that keep your fundamentals sharp? It is so fucking obvious you have never played football in your life.
I was asking around if McCarthy should have been fired had we lost that game after being up 18. What say you?
That’s a good question. I think that the mid-season turnaround might still warrant another year. An epic collapse if it comes with the team playing hard but getting beat by a clearly superior team is less unacceptable. If the team quits early, then it would be open for discussion, no matter how deep you go into the playoffs. The injuries on defense continue to have a tremendous impact. No matter what some might say with regards to conditioning or similar injury prevention techniques, a lot of that is luck and the coach really isn’t responsible, especially when they pile up all at one position.
So Rodgers play mid season saves the coaches job?
The coach isn’t responsible for this years injury’s? ok, i’ll buy that.
Now tell me, who IS responsible for the last 5 years of not achieving team goals? Is anyone ever responsible? That’s a tough one hey?
If we get to the Super Bowl and the defense shits the bed, do we give MM and DC an extension and raise? Because injury’s aren’t their fault.
The injury excuse? Didn’t we win a Super Bowl with a shit ton of injuries and losing 6-8 starters? Yea, lets give him one more year, then another year, then we’ll give him another year…then blah blah blah….Rodgers retires….End of Super Bowl discussions. See ya in the funny papers.
When Rodgers holds a press conference to retire, it will be followed up by another press conference. TT, MM, DC retiring and getting the hell out of town.
Considering a few things….besides giving up 18 points in the 4th quarter
The fact that it would be 6 years in a row of getting in, then losing.
That coupled with this….. You have one of the best QB’s, in turn you have one of the best offenses (sans run game). But you have had by and large below average defenses. McCarthy has full authority to change anything in the defense he wants in the last 6 years, including the Coordinator.
McCarthy refusing to do anything to improve a 6 year unimproving defense, show’s McCarthy’s…..
A) Unwillingness to improve the team.
B) Lack of leadership
C) Failure to come close to achieving his own set goal. (which i posted below this)
“Division titles are important,” McCarthy said, “but I don’t lose any sleep over it. Because we have a bigger goal. We don’t hang divisional title banners around here. So, frankly, once you cross the threshold into the playoffs, it’s about getting to the final game and winning.”
Yes, he should have been fired, and i’ll go one further. If he doesn’t get to the Super Bowl, this season and win it. He should be fired anyway. For the same reasons listed above.
Rodgers shelf life is just so long. How long do you stick with the same formula and expect different results?
How long until you hold the person in charge accountable…3 years?….6 years? …7 years?…until Rodgers and the coaches retire?
You can’t fully blame Capers. McCarthy is responsible to implement changes when needed. Capers isn’t going to terminate himself. The only thing Capers is guilty of is wanting to keep collecting his 1+million dollars/year salary up in his coaches box.
Ultimately….The question of firing Mike McCarthy isn’t answered by me, it was answered McCarthy’s own words above.
Yes. And if it happens in Atlanta and they lose, that’s as good a time as any.
If they lose against Atlanta, because of the defense. I have no doubt Capers will be fired. But it will be because it’s a forced firing. Not McCarthy’s plan of action to improve the team. A scapegoat will be needed.
Unfortunately i place more blame on McCarthy than Capers, because the time for terminating Capers was maybe 3 or 4 years ago. And McCarthy refused to make changes. So what happens on defense in 2016 is ultimately on McCarthy, not Capers.
That’s seems to be too much for some people to understand, but being slow isn’t a crime or a sin so it’s all good.
Don’t disagree at all. Exactly like Slocum was the scapegoat for 2014. He should have been let go a few years prior as well.
Lest anyone forget, McCarthy hired his coaching staff based on what he wanted to run. Zone blocking scheme and 3-4 defense come to mind. Capers and his zone blitz scheme must be something McCarthy really and truly believes in and will have the last laugh once it all comes together and they are number 1 overall defense someday. Maybe McCarthy ought to stick solely to offense and trust his next defensive coordinator to run what the defensive coordinator wants as long as that defense performs as expected. Which will hopefully be better than what we’ve seen the last 6 years.
Did you all wake-up & thank your lucky stars that fat Mike is your mother effen coach today?
One of the best play-callers & game prep coaches in the NFL.
Fat Mike = Pedal to the metal, baby!
OK, let’s ask a slightly different question. When (yeah, I said when and I hope I didn’t put a bad hex on the whole damn thing) the Packers win the next 2 games will you still ask for MM to be fired?
No Gort, because then he achieved his own stated goal.
For any other questions, refer to my post above Tyko’s.
I have 2 desires, to see the Packers win Super Bowls. And i can’t express to you strongly enough how bad i want Rodgers to win at least 2 Super Bowls.
Not only because i think he deserves it, but also because Favre only has 1.
I would fucking love it!!!
I have nothing personal against TT and MM. My problem stems from them not doing all they can to win Super Bowls. TT for not getting the right talent. and for sitting on 10 million that he could have used on signing talent.
McCarthy for knowing the defense is a problem year in, and year out. But keeps things the same and expects different results. After 6 years, enough is enough.
Win it….or be gone.
Not to mention his less than stellar play calling every fucking year. That stacked box running play last game was so fucking stupid I nearly went through my brand new TV to get at that fat, obtuse, OCD, out of touch, arrogant blowhard . . . You cannot telegraph a play more blatantly. One of the dumbest play calls I have ever witnessed . . .
Getten picky meow!!! )
Personally I’d like to see McCarthy gone under any circumstance. The same old rhetoric coming to fix issues that never get fixed year after year. Best case scenario he rides off into the sunset a “winner” like Manning and Elway. Then one of the 13 associate head coaches he earmarked already on the team can show us what they got.
Clay Matthews was going against a left tackle who many consider to be the best in the league. In Atlanta he will be going up against another solid left tackle, his cousin, Jake Matthew. He’s probably not going to get much against his own cousin.
“I’m the best”
Imagine those holiday get togethers…(Channel inner George Lopez) “Who’s the best? Member that playoff game? Member? You member!” For more context see this:
I’m hearing too many players on defense talking, and not enough play making.
Blake Martinez “talked” himself up a good game early on.
Mike Daniels and his “until they get punched in the mouth” bullshit. Back it up my man!!
Nick Perry is the one player showing up, and he’s playing one fucking handed, and he doesn’t give you lip service, he shuts up and makes plays.
Btw, whatever happened to #1 pick Datone Jones? Did we trade him? Was he put on IR? Retired?
He was the one talking shit the last couple years as well, and acts the fool on the field over stupid, routine plays. Make a difference first then be a shithead. At least back it up, man!
Datone Jones is just a player. No blue chip in him. Another TT “The Frugal GM” overreach. These poor bastards are expected to play like their draft choice, all the time knowing they cannot. If their pay was not so good, I would actually feel a tad sorry for them having to live up to unrealistic expectations . . .