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Not Everyone Agrees On What Success Means in Green Bay

What constitutes success?

We have a simple answer: achieving your goals.

Every year, one of the Green Bay Packers’ goals is to win the Super Bowl. More often than not, they do not achieve that goal.

And yet, here comes Mike McCarthy to tell us the season was a success anyway. He just did that last week during his season-ending news conference.

“We reached a very high level of success this year,” McCarthy said. “I would say our team clearly had a successful season, without a doubt. I don’t know why we’re even questioning that.”

Well, it’s pretty simple. You didn’t achieve all of your goals. So how can you say you were successful?

Or should we view success in varying degrees? Perhaps McCarthy thinks the Packers were kind of successful because they obviously weren’t totally successful.

They certainly achieved some goals. Namely, they won the NFC North and made the playoffs. But we’re not the Minnesota Vikings, are we?

We don’t hang banners for division titles in Green Bay. We don’t celebrate playoff appearances.

We’re not alone in having a different definition of success than McCarthy, either. It appears his own players don’t even agree with his definition.

Left tackle David Bakhtiari had another word for the 2016 season: failure.

This probably shouldn’t come as a surprise. The definition of success appears to get looser as you move up the ranks in Green Bay.

After all, the team’s president consistently says that making the playoffs is what constitutes success and that puts you at least three wins from achieving the ultimate goal — the one you get measured by when it’s all said and done.

As of now, this Green Bay Packers regime is highly-successful by their definition, but only kind of successful by ours.

Monty McMahon

Monty McMahon is one of the founders of Total Packers. He is probably the most famous graduate of UW-Oshkosh next to Jim Gantner.



  1. PF4L January 31, 2017

    TT and MM, should bow down and kiss Rodgers feet. Lets be real, he was a large responsibility for…….

    You know what, i’m sick of saying the same shit over and over. Year after year.

    Fuck TT, MM, MM ….keep riding riding Rodgers coat tales .

    1. Ferris January 31, 2017

      tails….unless it’s a coat story

  2. Nick January 31, 2017

    We can continue to complain and blast MM,TT and MM but the fact of the matter is this ,the board or whoever it is that has the power to remove these buffoons just sit on their hands and do nothing.

  3. Nick January 31, 2017

    I know it’s not easy to win in this league let alone get to the Super bowl but when you have by most accounts the best Qb in the game and do not get there year after year someone or several ones are not doing their job.They should be fired or a fire should be lit under their arses.

  4. Empacador January 31, 2017

    The incredulous look on McCarthy’s face in the photo sums up his entire head coaching career. What do you think is going through his mind? Pad level? Special teams? The play I called on 4th and short really didn’t work? Someone going to the dog house? Someone having a career game against his defense? Whatever the thought is, it probably starts with “_________ needs to be cleaned up” or “I can’t believe I have to answer these fucking questions yet again”.

    1. PF4L January 31, 2017

      Fat Mike photo above……”We kept the Falcons under 500 yards, 50 points, and we still lost?”

  5. PF4L January 31, 2017

    Looking up at Dom in the coaches box watching him downing his grape crush soda pop and all you can eat hot dogs.

  6. Kato January 31, 2017

    Huh. How did Aaron Rodgers play against the 49ers in the 2013 playoffs? Or how about the 2014 NFC title game when the offense scored 19 points after the defense gifted them 5 turnovers? How did he play then? Let me guess, it’s MM’s fault. Just like when they win it is on AR. This group of fans is so fucking laughable. I am ashamed to associate myself with packers fans.

  7. PF4L January 31, 2017

    Are you talking about the 13 playoff game that Kaepernick ran for 12 yards per carry? The game where the defense gave up 381 yards. where Rodgers didn’t have a turnover? That Game? That defense?

    The 2014 NFC Title game? The game where the Packers were up 19-7 with 5 minutes left? The game the defense gave up 400 yards? Are you blaming that epic 5 minutes of failure on Rodgers?

    Was it the head coaches fault? Where McCarthy kept running the ball because he had a preset number of run plays before the game he wanted to reach? Gee, i don’t know Kato, who is the boss down on that field, who runs the show?
    The long snapper? The hot dog vendor? The 3rd string special team gunner?

    Kato….Are you really serious with these weak, lame, delusional statements you keep bringing up?

    1. Dave The Lions Fan February 1, 2017

      I believe that the Seahawks turned the ball over 5 times in the 2014 NFCCG and the Packers scored 6-10 points. That’s on your QB, big guy.

      1. Kato February 1, 2017

        No way Dave. Not Aaron Rodgers. It can never be his fault. I starting to wonder if PF4L’s mom had an affair with MM. That would explain his irrational hatred for the guy.

      2. PF4L February 1, 2017

        A Lions fan…suddenly an expert on playoff football….lmao

        1. Dave The Lions Fan February 1, 2017

          I know that you only scored 6-10 points with great field position on the majority of their 5 TO’s because Rodgers couldn’t do his job. The defense collapsed at the end too, but you can’t tell me that Rodgers and his inability to capitalize on great field position multiple times (situations that his defense gave him, BTW) didn’t play a huge part in the Packers losing. They could’ve hurried Seattle. Instead, they choked and couldn’t get it done. Don’t get pissed because the facts hurt.

          1. PF4L February 1, 2017

            Atta boy Dave, hitch your wagon to Kato, you and that retard make a nice team. It seems to be working well for you.

      3. Packers fan February 1, 2017

        Hey “Dave the Lions fan”, the Lions are the Bengals of the NFC. They choke when it matters. Like after Week 14, they lost to the Giants, Cowboys, and us. Then they got embarrassed by the Seahawks in the wild card 6-26.

        And those playoff losses are not on Rodgers it’s on the defense.

        1. Dave The Lions Fan February 1, 2017

          You choked too and got dropped 44-21. Get over yourself.

          1. Ferris February 1, 2017

            Let’s talk about the Lions playoff games in the past. Let’s go back a few years…to 1970. Since 1970 the Lions have won…wait for it….ONE playoff game. The only win was in the 1991 season. But you already know this loser.
            Keep talking about other teams choking Dave, the Lions are the all time chokers. Just so you know since 1970 the Browns have won FOUR playoff games. And the Jaguars have won FIVE since 1996.
            The Texans have won 2.
            Fun facts, on this chart they are the only team with a 1.
            Have a nice day…go drink some lead filled water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_standings_since_AFL%E2%80%93NFL_merger

          2. PF4L February 1, 2017

            Here’s another fun fact: If you took the vikings and the Lions, went back 50 years, combined all their Super Bowl rings, Rodgers still has more.

    2. Kato February 1, 2017

      No fuckstick. The playoff game after the 2013 season where the packers offense scored like 16 points. And the defense actually played well in that game. As for the NFC title game, when your offense is gifted 5 turnovers, you probably should score more points, and not throw two picks yourself. While the defense has been to blame most of the time, AR hasn’t played well in a couple of the games where the defense have them ample opportunities

      1. PF4L February 1, 2017

        Oh that’s right, Rodgers has to be perfect, ALL THE TIME. He’s not allowed to throw picks.

        Next thing you know, some dumbfuck fan will be saying we should trade Rodgers and start Hundley.

        Wait….You already said that.

        1. Empacador February 2, 2017

          Come on now fellas, it isn’t every playoff game you get to witness a hall of fame QB throw 6 interceptions…

  8. PF4L January 31, 2017

    Back to the photo memes…..

    “Dom….the next time you see me doing something stupid, can you speak up?”

  9. PF4L January 31, 2017

    “Why are they booing me….i had 9 more run plays i had to run according to my pre-game plan, i can’t veer off that.”

    “Don’t they know i’m a highly successful NFL Head coach?”

  10. Packers fan February 1, 2017

    Just get us a defense!

  11. Dave The Lions Fan February 1, 2017


    You are a sad, sad man. All of those facts are fine, but that doesn’t make up for the fact that you guys have choked for five straight seasons with Rodgers (top 10 all time) as your QB. What the fuck do you even do in Wisconsin when the Packers lose (which, now, is pretty often)? Your baseball team blows, you don’t have a hockey team and your basketball team has been irrelevant since the late 1970’s. I also don’t happen to live in Michigan. I live in Boston. Outside of the Lions, I am a Celtics, Red Sox and Bruins fan. So, when the Lions lose (which is also often), I have plenty of other teams to watch. You on the other hand, not so much.

    1. Dave The Lions Fan February 1, 2017

      Seriously, outside of the Packers, what does the shithole that is Wisconsin have? Please don’t tell me the Greek Freak is the next best thing in shitty Wisconsin. That dude can’t fucking shoot. No hockey, as I stated earlier, so that leaves baseball. The Brewers have never won. Ever. When the packers lose, do you curl up in a ball on your bed and cry like a fucking toddler until next football season? Or do you watch all of the other pro teams in Wisconsin constantly get fucked by everyone else because they are irrelevant, just like the state of Wisconsin? Please, do tell. I’d love to know what you do when the Slackers get their asses kicked.

      1. PF4L February 1, 2017

        I can tell you what we don’t have, the armpit of the world…it’s called Detroit.

        1. Dave The Lions Fan February 1, 2017

          P4FL, I see the public school system in Wisconsin never really taught you how to read. I don’t live in the state of Michigan. I. Live. In. Boston. All of your Detroit jokes don’t really mean shut to me because outside of the Lions, wait for it, I DON’T HAVE ANY CONNECTIONS TO MICHIGAN!!!! But, you probably won’t even be able to read this either. Still haven’t answered my question about other pro teams because you don’t fucking have any. That must be a sad existence. Do you just rewatch highlights from seasons past for the Pack? Orgasming to Favre and Rodgers winning titles years ago? Tell me, what do you fucking do you degenerate hilbilly?

          1. Kato February 1, 2017

            He trolls these boards day by day, verbally masturbating to Rodgers while wanting to chase away the coach that has helped make him great. While quoting himself constantly, and when someone brings up a fact that goes against his objectice, he calls you offensive terms like “retard” and sulks. I honestly am starting to hate my own uneducated fans more than Vikings fans.

          2. Kato February 1, 2017

            What part of Boston are you from? Boston is an awesome city, was just there in October. Row 34 is the bomb

    2. Cheese February 1, 2017

      It’s called having a life instead of spending every waking moment sitting on the couch watching every single meaningless sports game you can find on tv. This is a football site. Who gives a shit about baseball, basketball, or hockey. Bringing any of them up because your football team is garbage is the dumbest fucking arguement I’ve ever heard. Have fun watching 3x the tv as everyone else. What would you do without that constant state of vegetation?

  12. Kato February 1, 2017

    This is a quarterbacks stats in three NFC championship game appearances.
    109 attempts
    63 completions (57.8% comp)
    709 yards passing (6.5 ypa)
    4 TDs, 5 picks. 70.5 QB rating.

    Here are the numbers in his first two appearances
    64 attempts
    36 completions (56.3 comp %)
    422 yards (6.6 ypa)
    1 TD, 4 INT, 55.6 QB rating

    This is Aaron Rodgers. While I give him a pass for the last game because the defense couldn’t stop anyone, his first two championship games were horrid. No, you can’t expect a QB to carry you, but you also expect him to play well enough for you to win. He didn’t in either of the first two games. Sorry Rodgers fanboys, but I am just being objective here

  13. Dave The Lions Fan February 1, 2017


    Boston is a fun place. Especially if you’re there for St. Patrick’s Day. Absolute fucking blast. I live in downtown Boston but I’m actually from Mansfield, which isn’t too far away from the city. About an hours drive. Row 34 smacks. Great place to go for a few drinks and a good time. I’m a big fan of Bukowski Tavern. It’s really well known and the next time you’re in town, I’d absolutley recommend it.

    1. Kato February 1, 2017

      Yeah I try to go every fall to the northeast to check out fall foliage in Vermont and Maine, and go to a bunch of breweries. Boston is always a stop for a night. Trilliums new taproom in Canton is pretty awesome. Nightshift is pretty cool as well. I will keep Bukowski Tavern in mind for this year. Thanks for the recommendation.

  14. Louis Pistoni February 7, 2017

    I believe McCarthy is a good coach(just my opinion). However, he may not be a great one. His main flaw/problem is that he is loyal to a fault. He seems to stay with people/situations too long. For instance, this 3/4 defense. I don`t believe it works very well. It depends on linebackers making plays instead of the D-Line and every great defense ever except the Ravens has played 4/3 with a great front four. You don`t have to depend on blitzing when you have a great front four. The Packers continue with the 3/4 predicated on blitzing and that doesn’t work especially against great quarterbacks.