I vehemently disagree that this team is not deep. In fact, I would argue we are one of the deepest. Ted does his job giving MM the players, it is MM that needs to play the players. Myself, as well as MANY MANY MANY fans saw the intangibles that Jeff Janis brought to the table. Why the fuck did it take that fat fuck 18 weeks to put him in? His build, and skill set is EXACTLY that of Jordy Nelson. Jordy maybe runs crisper routes and doesn’t fuck up as much, but we saw what Janis can do…We are LOADED at WR, CB, DL, and depending on who we bring back out of our FAs, we have a nice stable of OLBs too. Big Mike got my vote. He doesn’t recognize or utilize the talent that TT provides him very well at all.
Here is some depth for you to consider: Jayrone Elliott, Nick Perry(FA), Mike Neal(FA), Mike Pennel, Letroy Guion, Ladarius Gunter, Rollins, Randall, Banjo, Richardson(too bad career likely over), Montgomery, Adams, Janis, Abby, Ripkowski, John Crockett, JC Tretter….I’m sure I could keep going, but that’s enough. Our team is deep and talented, McCarthy and/or Rodgers just need to trust their talent a little better…..GO PACK GO
I voted McCarthy for refusal to use Janis and Abby sooner. Although I’m sure Rodgers obvious distaste, dislike, hatred, whatever it is he holds against Janis personally had a lot to do with it too. It’s too bad. He’ll be buried on the depth chart again and be in the same predicament.
i aint so sure it was Rodgers all the time…i mean he wanted Abby out there and what did Fat Mike do….sit the guy, zero looks…the way these two played sort of makes someone look stupid…
Hombre, I thought I was the only one who noticed that. I felt a bit apprehensive to bring up the fact that Rodgers seemingly has a great deal of animosity toward Janis.
Rodgers makes very clear the guys he really, really likes – Jordy, Kuhn, Davante, Starks, Abby, Jones, for example…When given opportunities from the media to praise any of these players, he always takes it and gushes over the way they prepare and the things he likes that they do well. I had a HUGE Janis bias during this entire season, and really going back to last year as well, so I noticed a lot of times where media guys asked Rodgers questions that basically set him up to praise Janis, but he wouldn’t do it. He made it very clear that he felt Janis was inconsistent in practice and that he didn’t quite trust him for games yet. I haven’t yet watched the interviews from today yet – too painful – so I don’t know if he was asked about Janis, and what he might have said, but the feeling I get from Rodgers is that he doesn’t like Janis, maybe on a personal level, maybe he tried to mack on Olivia! LOL. Or maybe Janis has some dirt on Rodgers that he really likes men!!!! LOLOLOL!!! No I kid, I love Rodgers, but he had a bad year, a shit year. I’m allowed to joke right???
Now I’m getting Sidetracked.
Look no further than the hail mary from Sat Night. Rodgers stayed where he was on the field, put his arms up in celebration and did a bit of celebrating with Bakhtiari as well, then went to the sideline. Comepare that to the hail mary from the Lions game. He ran down the field so fast and got in on the scrum with all the rest of the players…Now, granted, that was for the win, and the celebration as a whole there was much bigger than Saturday, but there is still possibly something to it. Janis caught it, Rodgers (maybe?) doesn’t like Janis, so Rodgers doesn’t go celebrate with him
Also, there have been times in the season where the RARE time Janis got thrown to, Rodgers would throw his hands up if he didn’t catch it, and look toward the sidelines – presumably at Big Mike – as if to say “wtf” or “I told you so”. That happened on Saturday after the throw in the end zone where Janis went to the corner, and Rodgers threw to the pylon. Janis likely ran the wrong route, and Rodgers threw his hands up, looked to the sideline, and shook his head…Granted, he did that VERY frequently this season, his attitude was shit, but I get the feeling there’s more to it when it’s toward Janis…Am I crazy? Probably
i think you do not see the games. the only times janis was on the field rodgers always targeted him and i remember very well at the first janis catch rodgers went straight to him very happy and warm with him. so i think it’s better you games before talking shit about our only champion aaron rodgers
I was more alluding to the fact that Janis was never on the field. Rodgers seemed to be reluctant to throw his way when he was on the field. I’m not alone in my opinion that Rodgers maybe doesn’t like Janis. So don’t get your panties in a wad.
As for me not watching games, haven’t missed a play since I was 10, so you might wanna reconsider that statement, there, pal…
After Rodgers’ season he just had, he deserves a little bit of flack…
I saw the press conference Shaun and again Rodgers praised Janis last after going off with praise for James Jones who never had a catch all night. Then he proceeded to compliment every other receiver on the staff before finally getting to Janis.
And then when he did it was underhanded compliments at best. Something along the lines of…”He really just got behind the defense and was able to make a couple plays.”
I mean it seriously pains him to say anything nice about the guy and it’s fucking bullshit. That’s not leadership.
Yeah. As fans, we are forced to read between the lines. All we know is what our eyes tell us. All we see is games, really. All we hear is what they tell us. Even media, they aren’t allowed everywhere either. They obviously see and hear much more that we fans are able to, but the truth is, we don’t really know what, if anything, is going on between Rodgers and Janis. Reading between the lines is dangerous, but it’s all we’ve got. Maybe we’re right, maybe we’re not. We are allowed to have our opinions
And when this Francesco jackass basically insulted and belittled my level of fandom, I was a bit agitated. I LIVE AND DIE FOR THIS TEAM!!!! GO PACK GO!!!!!
Janis is a gamer with size, speed and desire. It is a fucking shame! I am most certain this kind of locker room bullshit does not go unnoticed with the players either . . .
Hmmm….lets just compare a couple of “O” coordinator…Edgar Bennett – Josh McDanials….now that funny right there…..Big Mike is very loyal to “his guys”….his guys make for a poor staff…looks like Belicheck/Brady will be in a 7th super bowl…Packers?? With Mike/Rodgers/Favre???
Big Teddy T pulled 3 rookie CB’s out of his ass this past offseason, while teams struggled to find just one. Yeah, I hate his lack of FA moves too, but, shit
Totally agree, man. Gunter, unfortunately, was IA for much of the season. It is unfortunate he couldn’t usurp that sack o shit Casey Hayward for playing time. He’s a big body, and seems to be a better player than that worthless ass jacket Hayward. I hope we don’t bring him back
Those 3 cornerbacks also made their fair share of fuck ups. Let see a larger body of work than 1 rookie season. Not dumping on these guys, they show flashes. But if everyone remembers Haywards rookie season, he played like a pro bowler and everyone thought he was the shit. How about now?
Casey Hayward is still pretty good, actually, Fitgzerald beat him all of two times, he also played his ass off vs. the ‘Skins, not to mention for much of the season before that. And before you jump all over the Raiders game, yeah he makes mistakes, he’s not perfect, not the CB in the league, but he was a solid tackler (for a DB) this year and rarely got burnt. Damarious Randall does nothing but continue to improve, often times at near light speed. He has been truly burnt about all of 4 times this year that I can recall (once vs. Maclin and twice vs. Cooper-2 very talented WRs). At least 3 of the big plays he gave up this year were perfect passes, 1 in essentially garbage time (Carolina, Arizona Divisional Round, and SF). Rollins has maid a handful of plays (including the pick six and that awesome hit to force an incompletion) and has had pretty damn good coverage at both dime and corner back. He has missed some tackles and been beaten but he’s looked like he belongs and maybe quite good, especially considering he’s had all of 2 years of major football experience.
Hayward was always right place, right time as a rookie. That’s why he got picks. He’s always been soft in coverage. He’s a bum. He always gets burned. He got burned in OT last year on 3rd and 10 to set up the Kearse TD. He was in no-mans land and looked like an idiot on the fluke go-ahead TD this year where Randall made a hell of a play breaking the pass up only to go into Floyd’s hands because hayward was in between the two guys looking stupid. I’ve never liked Hayward. Hayward did have a good year though. I’ll admit that. Mostly in the run game, made some nice tackles this year, a few PBUs, but overall, still too soft in coverage. I’d be happy to see him go. Develop Gunter, who is actually a big body for a change. Something we never have in GB at CB
Uh, no he wasn’t, watch the play again, he was in the hip pocket of the receiver wh owas his responsibility and his momentum was carrying him away from the tip. Nice attempt confirming your bias though.
What the Packers need is an offensive and defensive coordinator(s). Mike can’t keep calling the plays on offense and the Packers need a defensive coordinator that can call a good game plan that will get them back to the Super Bowl.
It has GOT to be Big Mike. I am sure, by now, everyone here as seen the stat that we are 0 for 5 under McRetard in playoff games that are decided on the final play. I don’t know what that says, but it HAS GOT to be a reflection of shitty coaching. That is just pathetic. In the super bowl era, the next highest total is 2 losses of this nature…2…TWO…Fucking TWO!!!!!!. We have FIVE…And zero wins
I voted Mark Murphy.
He is the n 1 so he has never changed anything and also we have little power inside the NFL and referees are most of the time against us.
If anyone votes TT to go you might as well put down all of the above. It would be unlikely that a new GM would come in and not want his own coach, and that would likely mean a turnover in most if not all of the assistant coaches and coordinators.
The same may be true of Murphy, however I think he is nothing more than a puppet dictator.
I pick Murphy because the buck stops with him. Basically you are approving one and done playoffs year after year. Yet you refuse to make a change. Ted also needs to go. At the end of the day coaches can only coach & play what the gm gives them?
McCarthy, hands down. Remember after the 2009 season? He focused on featuring Finley for 2010. Then Finley got hurt, and the Packers were shit until they figured out how to function on offense without Finley. Said it before, I think they won the super bowl in spite of McCarthy.
Then, 2013, after Rodgers got hurt. I remember something in the press, asking him if he would pick up Flynn. McCarthy’s response was he liked the quarterback room he had with Seneca Wallace and Tolzien. Then they signed Flynn after Wallace pulled his hymen. And McCarthy was unprepared again when Tolzien was thrust into the role before he was ready. Flynn could have been getting back up to speed during that time.
I don’t like everything Thompson does, but I think McCarthy has some say in who they bring in. I don’t think Thompson just brings in players for the sake of bringing in players. McCarthy has to sign off on them as well.
McCarthy is stubborn, I agree with the sentiments that he plays favorites and cherishes certain players/positions, in the hope of someday REALLY digging into the depths of his playbook! Why else keep 2 fullbacks or 4/5 tight ends and 5/6 wide receivers? Just so they can fill out the game day inactive list? Let’s bring up a scrub db from the practice squad, and park him and Gunter on the inactive list.
Couple that shit with his history of being predictable on offense, loyalty to his cronies, his inability to seemingly make half time adjustments and fucking up royally during the playoffs, and “pad level” speak, it should be fairly obvious. All of his assistants are head coaches in waiting? So lets make them all assistant head coaches, and run without a wide receiver coach. Brilliant!
I voted for no one. Organizational stability. I’m glad to be pissed off about a division round Playoff loss. Look at the niners Browns,or my favorite example the Tampa Bay fuccaners who fired John gruden and haven’t done Shit since. Three of the four teams we lost to this year are playing this weekend. Is it really that bad.
Would a new President, GM or HC cause Micah Hyde to catch the INT to beat the 49ers? Or Morgan Burnett to run for a TD instead of sliding down? Or Sam Shields to catch the INT that would have beat the Cardinals?
No but a good head coach wouldn’t let Eddie Lacy balloon to 300 pounds under his watch. A good head coach wouldn’t be wasting career years out of Aaron Rodgers and would go to a lot more than one Super Bowl in 8 years with a Hall of Fame caliber QB. A good head coach wouldn’t play Davante Adams over Jeff Janis & Jared Abbrederis. A good head coach wouldn’t run a HB dive on 2nd and 10 with 3:30 remaining in the 4th Q with the game on the line and waste time and clock. A good head coach wouldn’t be running down the clock with 7 minutes to go vs Seattle in the NFC Championship Game in 2015.
A good GM would have addressed this teams EXTREME need for an OLB last April or in free agency. A good GM wouldn’t let Eddie Lacy balloon to 300 pounds and not have capable backup in place (James Starks is not an effective 3rd down back in the NFL, not when he’s ranked 29th in the league as a backup/3rd down back). A good GM would have addressed the offensive line, most notably the deficiency at LT a long time ago. A good GM would give Aaron Rodgers as many weapons as possible to win during his prime years —- you’re telling me the best you can give a two-time NFL MVP and one of the greatest single callers of our generation is Richard Rodgers (slow and very average compared to the modern day tight end), Davante Adams (the worst wide receiver in the NFL and worst WR in a single season in GB history), a 31 yr old WR who was cut by two other teams, an overpaid slot WR who also was Top 10 in the NFL in drops with 6, a 300 pound fat ass for a RB, John Kuhn and James Starks. Those are his weapons? That’s the best our GM can get him????
The coaches and GM are responsible for who is on the field and where they are. It should never have come down to Shields or Micah Hyde. It’s about the little things that add up to the big moments. You can’t blame Brandon Bostick for fumbling when Green Bay’s offense went into cruise control in the 4th Q and played “clock management/half ass HB dives” when they should have been attacking and trying to increase their advantage. You can’t blame Shields for a missed pick when the Packers drove twice into the AZ redzone and came away with zero TD’s. You can’t blame Davante Adams for being fucking horeshit all season and leading the NFL in drops when Jeff Janis and/or Jared Abbrederis should have been given opportunities well ahead of Week 18.
You canNOT have a QB caliber of Aaron Rodgers and go to one Super Bowl in 8 years. I’m sorry, you just can’t, no excuses — you just can’t! I get bad luck happens, guys miss plays, etc. but one Super Bowl in 8 years is just not getting it done and something needs to change. McCarthy has had his shot — Gary D’Amto said it best, “how many Super Bowls would Bill Bellichik have won with Aaron Rodgers already?”
whiniest bunch of fans on the net. y’all love to complain goddamn. injury riddled season and y’all bitch more than my ol lady. sad. and sad stands for suck a dick. I’m done with this site. Peace.
Your just pissed because they blew another game. And pack attack is spot on BTW! Lots of questionable personnel, schemes, letting the foot off the gas and playing favorites, Double standards and missed opportunities. This is what is sad. What the hell is wrong with people bitching because they have passion for the team that they root for? This should be a good thing!Because some fans tell it like it is. this should be held in higher regard than disdain! You go suck a dick. Fucking Pollyanna . . . You like losing in the playoffs? Every team has injuries. Every team has to make adjustments! Some of us believe that we absolutely UNDERPERFORMED in making those adjustments, and not playing to the strengths of it’s personnel. Tell me again how Janis sat the bench the whole fucking year while “Oil hands Adams” dropped multiple balls EVERY GAME with NO repercussions? Is that good coaching? Is that sending a good message to the other players? Fuck no!
That Yinzer Buffoon needs out. Unclear who a great replacement would be right at the momemt, but I’d take anybody who isn’t afraid to be more aggressive on offense.
I vote for Ted Thompson. The guy would actually be a great GM, if he knows how to pick up players in Free Agency. Imagine if HE HAD picked up players in Free Agency this season, along with those CB he drafted. How good their team would had been…………..
Soooo Charles Woodson, Julius Peppers, Tramon WIlliams, Ryan Grant, John Kuhn, Letroy Guiyon Mike Daniels, Sam Shields, and Randall Cobb weren’t free agents?
They were also Free Agents, or (about to be) when TT re-signed them. I’ll remove them from my redaction anyway. The fact remains TT does sign free agents, even big name ones, he just doesn’t piss away $15M per year for 4-7 years every offseason like the fans want him to.
Respectfully disagree. I think most people have shown a great deal of restraint and tolerance, all things considered. But it gets frustrating knowing the Packers are so close but continue to get out coached. It is almost like McCarthy attempts to learn on the job but is a slow learner. This is a trend with McCarthy. He has been here 10 seasons, and was fortunate to be along for the ride for the 1 super bowl, even when he has had multiple opportunities to produce. His failures are right there in the open for anyone to see.
Doesn’t anyone else find it humorous that on Monday, during his season ending news conference, he said, quote “We’re not scared to talk about World Championships. ” Ok McCarthy, since you like talking about championships PLURAL, when are you gonna stop screwing the pooch and deliver the goods? Seems to me his track record should be a little better than 10% success rate. Since he isn’t afraid of talking about those elusive multiple championships, why should anyone settle for, let alone believe, whatever drivel comes out of his mouth? It isn’t like he hasn’t had potential opportunities to cash in during 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014, or even arguably 2015.
So, McCarthy as coach can speak to the multiple championships he has yet to make good on, and also gets a pass. Yet fans who would like to see more than one and believe the Packers should have more than 1 by now, are unrealistic crybabies? Where is his accountability, is he not fueling these “unrealistic expectations” I keep reading about from those who will defend him?
Sorry, I personally don’t think it’s acceptable to settle for only making the playoffs anymore. I lived through the drought that was the 70s and 80s. Yes, we’ve been fortunate for the last 23 seasons or so, but what happens after Rodgers is done? Odds are we won’t see THIS kind of talent at QB in Green Bay for a long time, if ever. THAT is what people are pissed about in general, there is no sense of urgency to capitalize on something that is happening before our eyes. Before we know it, it will be gone, and just like when Favre was QB, people will be left wondering “What if” and lamenting wasted opportunities.
Ted’s draft misses and lack of willingness to gamble in free agency are continually catching up with him. They reveal his system is flawed. No one builds a Championship roster relying on the draft and UDFA alone. That is egotistical lunacy.
How many wasted years/ chances will it take for fans who don’t agree with this statement to see the light?
What other organizations depend primarily on Draft and Develop? NE and Seattle. One is a no-question dynasty and the other appears to be one in the making. The difference between them and Green Bay? They will occasionally break the piggy bank to grab a position of need in Free Agency.
I don’t think Ted needs to go, as it stands right now I don’t think any of the front office needs to go (when I was calling for McCarthy’s head in weeks 16 and 17.) But goddamn do these guys need to quit being so fucking stubborn. Ted, spend a little before the window closes. Mike, give the kids a chance and call plays the suit the strengths of the players who are healthy and available. Show of hands, who thought going into the Divisional Round that we’d not only hang with but nearly beat the Cards with only our #4, 5, and 6 WRs and Richard Rodgers, Slowest Man On Earth?
They don’t need to fire anyone. They need to get a separate receiver coach and keep Van Pelt coaching the quarterbacks. The receivers were great when Edgar Bennett was coach and Van Pelt the QB coach. Van Pelt could not do both jobs effectively and probably left the receivers on their own too much.
The problem with a public owned team is that nobody will be held accountable for the failures that occur. Nothing will change going into the 2016 season and the packers will be a one and done team in the playoffs again. Same old same old.
An article on another site says MM said fat Eddie needs to get in shape in order to get playing time next year. Really, why now does he tell him this after the season is over. He should have been in shape coming into the 2015 season. Once again nobody is held accountable.
Clearly the Packers don’t want to rock the boat during the season. And clearly Lacy was too heavy. As was pointed out previously, just take a look at some of his Alabama youtube videos. They guy had the speed to out run linebackers, something he does not have now.
You guys are special. Let’s fire everyone because they didn’t win the super bowl! You know Aaron rodgers does share some blame for not winning some of these playoff games right? Your only comparison for team success is the patriots. You do also realize that Brady didn’t win a super bowl for 10 years right? If not for those first few years where those teams were loaded and the patriots were paying Brady a rookie salary, Brady would have one super bowl win in three tries. There aren’t more Bill belicheks just sitting on the street just waiting to coach. Since the early success, 2005 and on for Brady: 1 super bowl win, 2 losses to Eli manning. They lost to the mark Sanchez led jets one year. Let that marinade for a second.
You do also realize that 3 of 4 teams they lost to in the playoffs, not counting this year, won the NFC, and one beat Tom Brady in the super bowl? And you can argue that the Seahawks should have won last year, and the 49ers could have won against the ravens. But yeah, we have it terribly, fire everyone. It’s not like this team didn’t beat the patriots in 2014
McCarthy was still down on Jeff Janis in his year-ending pressed. Did Janis fuck his wide or what is the deal there? Get that motherfucker more playing time!
Adams is supposed to play because he is a high draft pick, and Rodgers loves him. Rumor has it Rodgers dislikes Janis (whether that matters or not). This sends shitty messages to the other players I am certain of this. Whatever the “real” reason, Adams has sucked as bad as any starter I have ever seen, was not benched, and Janis and Abbrederis were left on the bench.
You guys just have no idea how close the talent gap is between nfl teams, particularly the teams atop the nfl. A play here, a play there separates these teams from each other in any given game. If malcom butler doesn’t make an incredible play at the end of the super last year, Brady is still without a super bowl since 2004. If Sam shields makes that same play and picks the ball off, there is a good chance the packers win that game in Arizona. But to hell with it, let’s blow it all up!
For the people that don’t think any changes are needed.
What if…for the next 5 years, the Packers repeated the failures in the post season as the last 5 years. Would you then change your train of thought? Or would you be ok with the post season fails for a total of 10 years?
In other words, how many years of not getting it done after winning a Super Bowl, until you stop giving upper management a pass? 5 years? 8 years? 12 years? 15 years?
Some of us fans, would like to see changes, so we don’t have to suffer another 5 years of post season fails during Rodgers tenure. These are valuable years with Rodgers, ones i’d rather not see wasted, like the last 5 years.
Leadership is always the first place to look…for leadership sets the pace and the tone in the boardroom and the lockeroom. Someone asked if the head guys have anything to do with the players misplacing and the short answer is…yes! If the leadership is shit then that will find its way to the lockeroom and affect the team play. Now don’t hear me say that the players don’t have responsibility for themselves…they do and ought to be held accountable…to be sure…just like in any job….but I submit if the head leadership sucks it will affect everything else.
Without question McCarthy should be the one held accountable. I know i’m beating a dead horse along with what many others are saying here, but his absolute refusal to play Janis and Abby all year while not benching the worst receiver in the league is unforgivable. It’s the reason their offense was in the tank all year. They didn’t have a single receiver that was playing that was capable of getting open, with the exception of Cobb. But teams knew they could bracket Cobb and play 1-on-1 against Jones and Adams and that those 2 would never be able to beat them or run by them. Teams were able to load up the line of scrimmage and have their safeties and LBs be extra run stoppers the whole year because GB had nobody on the field that could run by the defense. They never attacked the middle of the field then all year, and Rodgers gets creamed every game and they can’t get the running game going. Everyone blamed Lacy for being too fat or blamed Rodgers for holding the ball too long, or a shtty offensive line. Yeah, Lacy could’ve been trimmer but he still ran really well when given any daylight. Yeah, Rodgers didn’t have his best year, but name me a QB that would look great when it’s a jailbreak each time he drops back. And yeah, the OLine was pathetic at times, but you don’t do them any favors when your offensive schemes blow and you never stretch the field at all so teams can just sit their safeties and let the LBs go full bore towards the line of scrimmage. Meanwhile, the 2 WRs that were capable to getting open never get an opportunity. It’s the most blatant double standard I’ve ever seen, and that’s 100% on McCarthy. I agree with others here, it sure seems like Rodgers doesn’t like Janis. But, he’s not the head coach!!! Tell him to grow up and be a leader and throw him the ball. The whole Arizona game, the CB could not cover Janis. They even started giving that CB help on every play, and he was able to get separation. And he aggressively goes after the ball!!!! I haven’t seen a WR do that for us all year long. WTF!!!! How the hell did he not get a chance to play before fat fck was forced to put him in when all the other WRs got hurt. F McCarthy! Another wasted year when we had more than enough talent to win a SB. These opportunities don’t come around very often and I fear we may have missed out on our last one. I hope not because we have enough talent coming back, but if McCarthy doesn’t get fired it’ll be the same thing next year. They are good enough to win enough to get to the playoffs in spite of that moron, but they will never get to the next level again with him as the coach. If we, as an organization, are happy with just being an also ran, so be it. But, I don’t think (or maybe just hope) that’s the case. FIRE THAT DEAD WOOD IDIOT!
Thank you! You are spot on! McCarthy plays favorites and always has. Janis is a gamer, and needs to see the field! Abbrederis is a great possession receiver in the making as well. I am glad that there are at least a hand full of us that see this and call it out for what it is! Half of these guys on this board are bandwagon apologists’ that obviously have their heads so far up G Bay’s brain trusts’ asses that they do not see talent when it is on the field . . . Fat Jesus always comes to mind . . . among others
But yet, it is a given they will make every super bowl when they get a new head coach. Tell me, how many coaches out there, currently coaching, have won multiple super bowls?!?!
“TT needs to grab some free agent veterans hungry for a championship.” Yeah, the Colts did that with Andre johnson, Frank gore, ect. How did that work out for them? Did they make the playoffs this year?
How did Reggie White and Sean Jones do? Andre Rison? Desmond Howard ? . . . those qualify don’t they? We can all make these points. The problem is, we do not go after them as often as we should to fill needs.
Well, I guess you’d go with the guy that keeps losing in the playoffs then. I’d like to try something different and see, we know what we get with McCarthy. I’m glad you’re not the one making the decision. Great reasoning on your part.
Ok pf4l, I have seen some posts on here, that were good posts that I tended to agree with. But, let’s say hypothetically, the packers fire McCarthy and Thompson, whoever you want, and the next coach/GM don’t work out, and the packers miss the playoffs. So, what do you do then? You just fired a combination that has proven they can win games, and can make the playoffs year in and year out, and with the exception of a couple years, were just a play or two away from advancing.
Having Aaron rodgers doesn’t make you a playoff team regardless of who is coach. Plenty of great qbs miss the playoffs, Dan Marino, big Ben has missed a couple times, as has Phillip rivers.
P4FL is right. Just having Aaron Rodgers IS good enough to make playoffs every year. Especially when the NFC North has been dog shit the last several years. Now it’s improving, and we didn’t even win it – Vikqueens did. Mike McCarthy is a good coach, and part of what the success of this team has come from is continuity. That’s huge, but at the same time, change could be good, for the right guy. Look, Belichick sucked until he had Brady. McCarthy would suck without Rodgers. Coaches matter little, but when we have the talent we do, especially on offense, and your coach decides to kick twice when your inside the 5, maybe a less pussy attitude is what we need. COACH COWHER, in my opinion, would do wonders for the attitude of this team…Aaron Rodgers deserves more than 1, 2 even 3 rings. He deserves as many as Brady gets…Or more…Dan Marino never won shit because his guys around him sucked. Rodgers has talent around him which is provided by Ted Thompson. McCarthy is a good coach, but has maybe run his course in GB. He is complacent, and has become even more conservative than he already was. He is too conventional, too predictable. Cowher or Gruden, I realize will be tough to lure back to coaching, but could do wonders for this team. I am sure there are other guys out there too with similar attitudes…Holmgren used to grab Favre by the face mask and yell at him to be smart with the football. You don’t see McCarthy grabbing face masks….This team, largely because of Rodgers, is too good to not win MULTIPLE RINGS. DYNASTY BABY!!!!!!!
A football game is like a war. You do your best to conquer and kill your opponent. When you have an atomic bomb (Aaron Rodgers), you don’t try to defeat your opponent by other, more tactical methods, you nuke the hell out of them because you can. We did this in 2011, and only faltered against the Giants because they had a DL that could get pressure without blitzing. They didn’t have to worry about our run game because we had no threat in that area. Also, our defense was a complete dumpster fire. Now our defense is no longer a weak link. In fact, it is a strength. The whole point of bringing a formidable (and then some) running back in to help our run game is so we no longer have to see the defense constantly dropping 7 or 8 into coverage. The whole point is to free up Aaron Rodgers and the passing game. Eddie Lacy, current issues aside because that isn’t the point here, is an elite NFL running back. Defenses fear him. That, alone, is enough for Aaron Rodgers. When the defense drops guys into coverage, gouge them with Lacy – the more tactical option. When defenses have only one safety, DROP THE ATOMIC BOMB!!!! To me, it’s really that simple…We need a coach that will drop the atomic bomb…McCarthy is not that….
Yes I am aware the 2011 team was STACKED at WR and TE, but it’s not like we are lacking there now, even without Jordy.
I am also aware we saw strictly single safety and man under all season. However, I am treating this season as a bizarre anomaly in an otherwise “offensive juggernaut” era under Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers is an atomic bomb. Use the atomic bomb when you’re 1 yard out in the NFCCG, don’t retreat and kick the field goal. Blast those sons of bitches out of their house…
A football game is like a war. You do your best to conquer and kill your opponent. When you have an atomic bomb (Aaron Rodgers), you don’t try to defeat your opponent by other, more tactical methods, you nuke the hell out of them because you can. We did this in 2011, and only faltered against the Giants because they had a DL that could get pressure without blitzing. They didn’t have to worry about our run game because we had no threat in that area. Also, our defense was a complete dumpster fire. Now our defense is no longer a weak link. In fact, it is a strength. The whole point of bringing a formidable (and then some) running back in to help our run game is so we no longer have to see the defense constantly dropping 7 or 8 into coverage. The whole point is to free up Aaron Rodgers and the passing game. Eddie Lacy, current issues aside because that isn’t the point here, is an elite NFL running back, but he is not more dangerous than Aaron Rodgers. Defenses fear him – that is all we need. That, alone, is enough for Aaron Rodgers. When the defense drops guys into coverage, gouge them with Lacy – the more tactical option. When defenses have only one safety, DROP THE ATOMIC BOMB!!!! To me, it’s really that simple…We need a coach that will drop the atomic bomb…McCarthy is not that….
Yes I am aware the 2011 team was STACKED at WR and TE, but it’s not like we are lacking there now, even without Jordy.
I am also aware we saw strictly single safety and man under all season. However, I am treating this season as a bizarre anomaly in an otherwise “offensive juggernaut” era under Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers is an atomic bomb. Use the atomic bomb when you’re 1 yard out in the NFCCG, don’t retreat and kick the field goal. Blast those sons of bitches out of their house…
The other disturbing part of this, aside from McCarthy, is Thompson and Murphy. Both are former players. They ought to recognize what they have with Rodgers. They could become rock stars in Packer lore like Harlan and Wolf did if they wake up and realize the recent norm for the team isn’t working. Murphy could probably squeeze Thompson to be a bit more aggressive if he wants him to be. And if Ted doesn’t like it, Ted can retire. There are probably more than a few qualified candidates who would jump at the chance to be in Green Bay as GM.
I voted Big Ted. The lack of depth and silly or no moves after injuries was stoopid.
I vehemently disagree that this team is not deep. In fact, I would argue we are one of the deepest. Ted does his job giving MM the players, it is MM that needs to play the players. Myself, as well as MANY MANY MANY fans saw the intangibles that Jeff Janis brought to the table. Why the fuck did it take that fat fuck 18 weeks to put him in? His build, and skill set is EXACTLY that of Jordy Nelson. Jordy maybe runs crisper routes and doesn’t fuck up as much, but we saw what Janis can do…We are LOADED at WR, CB, DL, and depending on who we bring back out of our FAs, we have a nice stable of OLBs too. Big Mike got my vote. He doesn’t recognize or utilize the talent that TT provides him very well at all.
Here is some depth for you to consider: Jayrone Elliott, Nick Perry(FA), Mike Neal(FA), Mike Pennel, Letroy Guion, Ladarius Gunter, Rollins, Randall, Banjo, Richardson(too bad career likely over), Montgomery, Adams, Janis, Abby, Ripkowski, John Crockett, JC Tretter….I’m sure I could keep going, but that’s enough. Our team is deep and talented, McCarthy and/or Rodgers just need to trust their talent a little better…..GO PACK GO
You need a none of the above on there I would say.
I voted McCarthy for refusal to use Janis and Abby sooner. Although I’m sure Rodgers obvious distaste, dislike, hatred, whatever it is he holds against Janis personally had a lot to do with it too. It’s too bad. He’ll be buried on the depth chart again and be in the same predicament.
i aint so sure it was Rodgers all the time…i mean he wanted Abby out there and what did Fat Mike do….sit the guy, zero looks…the way these two played sort of makes someone look stupid…
Hombre, I thought I was the only one who noticed that. I felt a bit apprehensive to bring up the fact that Rodgers seemingly has a great deal of animosity toward Janis.
Rodgers makes very clear the guys he really, really likes – Jordy, Kuhn, Davante, Starks, Abby, Jones, for example…When given opportunities from the media to praise any of these players, he always takes it and gushes over the way they prepare and the things he likes that they do well. I had a HUGE Janis bias during this entire season, and really going back to last year as well, so I noticed a lot of times where media guys asked Rodgers questions that basically set him up to praise Janis, but he wouldn’t do it. He made it very clear that he felt Janis was inconsistent in practice and that he didn’t quite trust him for games yet. I haven’t yet watched the interviews from today yet – too painful – so I don’t know if he was asked about Janis, and what he might have said, but the feeling I get from Rodgers is that he doesn’t like Janis, maybe on a personal level, maybe he tried to mack on Olivia! LOL. Or maybe Janis has some dirt on Rodgers that he really likes men!!!! LOLOLOL!!! No I kid, I love Rodgers, but he had a bad year, a shit year. I’m allowed to joke right???
Now I’m getting Sidetracked.
Look no further than the hail mary from Sat Night. Rodgers stayed where he was on the field, put his arms up in celebration and did a bit of celebrating with Bakhtiari as well, then went to the sideline. Comepare that to the hail mary from the Lions game. He ran down the field so fast and got in on the scrum with all the rest of the players…Now, granted, that was for the win, and the celebration as a whole there was much bigger than Saturday, but there is still possibly something to it. Janis caught it, Rodgers (maybe?) doesn’t like Janis, so Rodgers doesn’t go celebrate with him
Also, there have been times in the season where the RARE time Janis got thrown to, Rodgers would throw his hands up if he didn’t catch it, and look toward the sidelines – presumably at Big Mike – as if to say “wtf” or “I told you so”. That happened on Saturday after the throw in the end zone where Janis went to the corner, and Rodgers threw to the pylon. Janis likely ran the wrong route, and Rodgers threw his hands up, looked to the sideline, and shook his head…Granted, he did that VERY frequently this season, his attitude was shit, but I get the feeling there’s more to it when it’s toward Janis…Am I crazy? Probably
i think you do not see the games. the only times janis was on the field rodgers always targeted him and i remember very well at the first janis catch rodgers went straight to him very happy and warm with him. so i think it’s better you games before talking shit about our only champion aaron rodgers
I was more alluding to the fact that Janis was never on the field. Rodgers seemed to be reluctant to throw his way when he was on the field. I’m not alone in my opinion that Rodgers maybe doesn’t like Janis. So don’t get your panties in a wad.
As for me not watching games, haven’t missed a play since I was 10, so you might wanna reconsider that statement, there, pal…
After Rodgers’ season he just had, he deserves a little bit of flack…
I saw the press conference Shaun and again Rodgers praised Janis last after going off with praise for James Jones who never had a catch all night. Then he proceeded to compliment every other receiver on the staff before finally getting to Janis.
And then when he did it was underhanded compliments at best. Something along the lines of…”He really just got behind the defense and was able to make a couple plays.”
I mean it seriously pains him to say anything nice about the guy and it’s fucking bullshit. That’s not leadership.
Yeah. As fans, we are forced to read between the lines. All we know is what our eyes tell us. All we see is games, really. All we hear is what they tell us. Even media, they aren’t allowed everywhere either. They obviously see and hear much more that we fans are able to, but the truth is, we don’t really know what, if anything, is going on between Rodgers and Janis. Reading between the lines is dangerous, but it’s all we’ve got. Maybe we’re right, maybe we’re not. We are allowed to have our opinions
And when this Francesco jackass basically insulted and belittled my level of fandom, I was a bit agitated. I LIVE AND DIE FOR THIS TEAM!!!! GO PACK GO!!!!!
i noticed the same thing
Janis is a gamer with size, speed and desire. It is a fucking shame! I am most certain this kind of locker room bullshit does not go unnoticed with the players either . . .
Hmmm….lets just compare a couple of “O” coordinator…Edgar Bennett – Josh McDanials….now that funny right there…..Big Mike is very loyal to “his guys”….his guys make for a poor staff…looks like Belicheck/Brady will be in a 7th super bowl…Packers?? With Mike/Rodgers/Favre???
Big Teddy T pulled 3 rookie CB’s out of his ass this past offseason, while teams struggled to find just one. Yeah, I hate his lack of FA moves too, but, shit
Totally agree, man. Gunter, unfortunately, was IA for much of the season. It is unfortunate he couldn’t usurp that sack o shit Casey Hayward for playing time. He’s a big body, and seems to be a better player than that worthless ass jacket Hayward. I hope we don’t bring him back
Those 3 cornerbacks also made their fair share of fuck ups. Let see a larger body of work than 1 rookie season. Not dumping on these guys, they show flashes. But if everyone remembers Haywards rookie season, he played like a pro bowler and everyone thought he was the shit. How about now?
Casey Hayward is still pretty good, actually, Fitgzerald beat him all of two times, he also played his ass off vs. the ‘Skins, not to mention for much of the season before that. And before you jump all over the Raiders game, yeah he makes mistakes, he’s not perfect, not the CB in the league, but he was a solid tackler (for a DB) this year and rarely got burnt. Damarious Randall does nothing but continue to improve, often times at near light speed. He has been truly burnt about all of 4 times this year that I can recall (once vs. Maclin and twice vs. Cooper-2 very talented WRs). At least 3 of the big plays he gave up this year were perfect passes, 1 in essentially garbage time (Carolina, Arizona Divisional Round, and SF). Rollins has maid a handful of plays (including the pick six and that awesome hit to force an incompletion) and has had pretty damn good coverage at both dime and corner back. He has missed some tackles and been beaten but he’s looked like he belongs and maybe quite good, especially considering he’s had all of 2 years of major football experience.
Hayward was always right place, right time as a rookie. That’s why he got picks. He’s always been soft in coverage. He’s a bum. He always gets burned. He got burned in OT last year on 3rd and 10 to set up the Kearse TD. He was in no-mans land and looked like an idiot on the fluke go-ahead TD this year where Randall made a hell of a play breaking the pass up only to go into Floyd’s hands because hayward was in between the two guys looking stupid. I’ve never liked Hayward. Hayward did have a good year though. I’ll admit that. Mostly in the run game, made some nice tackles this year, a few PBUs, but overall, still too soft in coverage. I’d be happy to see him go. Develop Gunter, who is actually a big body for a change. Something we never have in GB at CB
Uh, no he wasn’t, watch the play again, he was in the hip pocket of the receiver wh owas his responsibility and his momentum was carrying him away from the tip. Nice attempt confirming your bias though.
What the Packers need is an offensive and defensive coordinator(s). Mike can’t keep calling the plays on offense and the Packers need a defensive coordinator that can call a good game plan that will get them back to the Super Bowl.
It has to be Big Mike,the on the field decisions is what ultimately cost this team to advance to the super bowl at least two years in a row.
It has GOT to be Big Mike. I am sure, by now, everyone here as seen the stat that we are 0 for 5 under McRetard in playoff games that are decided on the final play. I don’t know what that says, but it HAS GOT to be a reflection of shitty coaching. That is just pathetic. In the super bowl era, the next highest total is 2 losses of this nature…2…TWO…Fucking TWO!!!!!!. We have FIVE…And zero wins
Very, very true. Good post.
All 31 NFL coaches not named Belicheck should be fired annually. Failure of any sort will not be tolerated.
You sound like a Vic Ketchman clone. That guy is full of hot air, and by hot air, I mean bull excrement
I voted Mark Murphy.
He is the n 1 so he has never changed anything and also we have little power inside the NFL and referees are most of the time against us.
If anyone votes TT to go you might as well put down all of the above. It would be unlikely that a new GM would come in and not want his own coach, and that would likely mean a turnover in most if not all of the assistant coaches and coordinators.
The same may be true of Murphy, however I think he is nothing more than a puppet dictator.
I pick Murphy because the buck stops with him. Basically you are approving one and done playoffs year after year. Yet you refuse to make a change. Ted also needs to go. At the end of the day coaches can only coach & play what the gm gives them?
What the hell is that symbol?
McCarthy, hands down. Remember after the 2009 season? He focused on featuring Finley for 2010. Then Finley got hurt, and the Packers were shit until they figured out how to function on offense without Finley. Said it before, I think they won the super bowl in spite of McCarthy.
Then, 2013, after Rodgers got hurt. I remember something in the press, asking him if he would pick up Flynn. McCarthy’s response was he liked the quarterback room he had with Seneca Wallace and Tolzien. Then they signed Flynn after Wallace pulled his hymen. And McCarthy was unprepared again when Tolzien was thrust into the role before he was ready. Flynn could have been getting back up to speed during that time.
I don’t like everything Thompson does, but I think McCarthy has some say in who they bring in. I don’t think Thompson just brings in players for the sake of bringing in players. McCarthy has to sign off on them as well.
McCarthy is stubborn, I agree with the sentiments that he plays favorites and cherishes certain players/positions, in the hope of someday REALLY digging into the depths of his playbook! Why else keep 2 fullbacks or 4/5 tight ends and 5/6 wide receivers? Just so they can fill out the game day inactive list? Let’s bring up a scrub db from the practice squad, and park him and Gunter on the inactive list.
Couple that shit with his history of being predictable on offense, loyalty to his cronies, his inability to seemingly make half time adjustments and fucking up royally during the playoffs, and “pad level” speak, it should be fairly obvious. All of his assistants are head coaches in waiting? So lets make them all assistant head coaches, and run without a wide receiver coach. Brilliant!
Very, very, very, good. You get it. Well said. You need to post more.
Well summarized….
I voted for no one. Organizational stability. I’m glad to be pissed off about a division round Playoff loss. Look at the niners Browns,or my favorite example the Tampa Bay fuccaners who fired John gruden and haven’t done Shit since. Three of the four teams we lost to this year are playing this weekend. Is it really that bad.
I didn’t vote, if i have to sign up to a website to view results, …..blo me.
The tree of Green Bay needs fresh blood. From Ted on down needs to go ASAP
So, you’ve seen about 32 games?
no one. we over achieved in a shitty season. next year the pack will set records and win the trophy. mark my words.
Would a new President, GM or HC cause Micah Hyde to catch the INT to beat the 49ers? Or Morgan Burnett to run for a TD instead of sliding down? Or Sam Shields to catch the INT that would have beat the Cardinals?
Then, shit…
No but a good head coach wouldn’t let Eddie Lacy balloon to 300 pounds under his watch. A good head coach wouldn’t be wasting career years out of Aaron Rodgers and would go to a lot more than one Super Bowl in 8 years with a Hall of Fame caliber QB. A good head coach wouldn’t play Davante Adams over Jeff Janis & Jared Abbrederis. A good head coach wouldn’t run a HB dive on 2nd and 10 with 3:30 remaining in the 4th Q with the game on the line and waste time and clock. A good head coach wouldn’t be running down the clock with 7 minutes to go vs Seattle in the NFC Championship Game in 2015.
A good GM would have addressed this teams EXTREME need for an OLB last April or in free agency. A good GM wouldn’t let Eddie Lacy balloon to 300 pounds and not have capable backup in place (James Starks is not an effective 3rd down back in the NFL, not when he’s ranked 29th in the league as a backup/3rd down back). A good GM would have addressed the offensive line, most notably the deficiency at LT a long time ago. A good GM would give Aaron Rodgers as many weapons as possible to win during his prime years —- you’re telling me the best you can give a two-time NFL MVP and one of the greatest single callers of our generation is Richard Rodgers (slow and very average compared to the modern day tight end), Davante Adams (the worst wide receiver in the NFL and worst WR in a single season in GB history), a 31 yr old WR who was cut by two other teams, an overpaid slot WR who also was Top 10 in the NFL in drops with 6, a 300 pound fat ass for a RB, John Kuhn and James Starks. Those are his weapons? That’s the best our GM can get him????
The coaches and GM are responsible for who is on the field and where they are. It should never have come down to Shields or Micah Hyde. It’s about the little things that add up to the big moments. You can’t blame Brandon Bostick for fumbling when Green Bay’s offense went into cruise control in the 4th Q and played “clock management/half ass HB dives” when they should have been attacking and trying to increase their advantage. You can’t blame Shields for a missed pick when the Packers drove twice into the AZ redzone and came away with zero TD’s. You can’t blame Davante Adams for being fucking horeshit all season and leading the NFL in drops when Jeff Janis and/or Jared Abbrederis should have been given opportunities well ahead of Week 18.
You canNOT have a QB caliber of Aaron Rodgers and go to one Super Bowl in 8 years. I’m sorry, you just can’t, no excuses — you just can’t! I get bad luck happens, guys miss plays, etc. but one Super Bowl in 8 years is just not getting it done and something needs to change. McCarthy has had his shot — Gary D’Amto said it best, “how many Super Bowls would Bill Bellichik have won with Aaron Rodgers already?”
With all due respect Shawn, can’t believe you even posted that comment. I’m hoping your intellect runs deeper than that.
Careful Packattack…
Making sense and doing your own thinking might be TOS violation.
Yeah! I have had a few of my comments expunged . . .
Well they can’t hire the OC I wanted. Mr. Noodle was just hired by Kansas City. I forgot about that guy. And we bitch about Big Mike.
whiniest bunch of fans on the net. y’all love to complain goddamn. injury riddled season and y’all bitch more than my ol lady. sad. and sad stands for suck a dick. I’m done with this site. Peace.
Your just pissed because they blew another game. And pack attack is spot on BTW! Lots of questionable personnel, schemes, letting the foot off the gas and playing favorites, Double standards and missed opportunities. This is what is sad. What the hell is wrong with people bitching because they have passion for the team that they root for? This should be a good thing!Because some fans tell it like it is. this should be held in higher regard than disdain! You go suck a dick. Fucking Pollyanna . . . You like losing in the playoffs? Every team has injuries. Every team has to make adjustments! Some of us believe that we absolutely UNDERPERFORMED in making those adjustments, and not playing to the strengths of it’s personnel. Tell me again how Janis sat the bench the whole fucking year while “Oil hands Adams” dropped multiple balls EVERY GAME with NO repercussions? Is that good coaching? Is that sending a good message to the other players? Fuck no!
That Yinzer Buffoon needs out. Unclear who a great replacement would be right at the momemt, but I’d take anybody who isn’t afraid to be more aggressive on offense.
then your talking Josh McDaniel…he’s grown up a lot being with the NE organization…
I’m not gonna repeat the same shit that i, and many, many others have said many times over, and frankly, it’s getting boring. but i will say this.
They say…doing the same things over and over and over again, but expecting different results, is the definition of insanity.
I vote for Ted Thompson. The guy would actually be a great GM, if he knows how to pick up players in Free Agency. Imagine if HE HAD picked up players in Free Agency this season, along with those CB he drafted. How good their team would had been…………..
Soooo Charles Woodson, Julius Peppers, Tramon WIlliams, Ryan Grant, John Kuhn, Letroy Guiyon Mike Daniels, Sam Shields, and Randall Cobb weren’t free agents?
Daniels and Cobb were 4th and 2nd round picks, respectively, so no.
They were also Free Agents, or (about to be) when TT re-signed them. I’ll remove them from my redaction anyway. The fact remains TT does sign free agents, even big name ones, he just doesn’t piss away $15M per year for 4-7 years every offseason like the fans want him to.
It doesn’t matter who they fire. You’ll all bitch about the next guy who doesn’t deliver you Superbowl on a silver platter in the first year.
Respectfully disagree. I think most people have shown a great deal of restraint and tolerance, all things considered. But it gets frustrating knowing the Packers are so close but continue to get out coached. It is almost like McCarthy attempts to learn on the job but is a slow learner. This is a trend with McCarthy. He has been here 10 seasons, and was fortunate to be along for the ride for the 1 super bowl, even when he has had multiple opportunities to produce. His failures are right there in the open for anyone to see.
Doesn’t anyone else find it humorous that on Monday, during his season ending news conference, he said, quote “We’re not scared to talk about World Championships. ” Ok McCarthy, since you like talking about championships PLURAL, when are you gonna stop screwing the pooch and deliver the goods? Seems to me his track record should be a little better than 10% success rate. Since he isn’t afraid of talking about those elusive multiple championships, why should anyone settle for, let alone believe, whatever drivel comes out of his mouth? It isn’t like he hasn’t had potential opportunities to cash in during 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014, or even arguably 2015.
So, McCarthy as coach can speak to the multiple championships he has yet to make good on, and also gets a pass. Yet fans who would like to see more than one and believe the Packers should have more than 1 by now, are unrealistic crybabies? Where is his accountability, is he not fueling these “unrealistic expectations” I keep reading about from those who will defend him?
Sorry, I personally don’t think it’s acceptable to settle for only making the playoffs anymore. I lived through the drought that was the 70s and 80s. Yes, we’ve been fortunate for the last 23 seasons or so, but what happens after Rodgers is done? Odds are we won’t see THIS kind of talent at QB in Green Bay for a long time, if ever. THAT is what people are pissed about in general, there is no sense of urgency to capitalize on something that is happening before our eyes. Before we know it, it will be gone, and just like when Favre was QB, people will be left wondering “What if” and lamenting wasted opportunities.
Funny, because you keep posting the same shit over and over and yet nothing changes. Hrmmm…
And you constantly bitch at fans who bitch, yet nothing changes. Hmmmmm…
In Ted we Trust!!
Right Packer Bobby?
Yep! PB is just as angry at us about being angry at McCarthy and TT! Can you believe it! How dare him!
My vote is for the fairweather fans. But that’ll happen soon as the it starts to rain and the Wagon gets stuck in the mud.
Ted’s draft misses and lack of willingness to gamble in free agency are continually catching up with him. They reveal his system is flawed. No one builds a Championship roster relying on the draft and UDFA alone. That is egotistical lunacy.
How many wasted years/ chances will it take for fans who don’t agree with this statement to see the light?
It is sad that 90 percent of the fans agree changes need to be made,even the media has opinioned it’s probably time for MM to go.
What other organizations depend primarily on Draft and Develop? NE and Seattle. One is a no-question dynasty and the other appears to be one in the making. The difference between them and Green Bay? They will occasionally break the piggy bank to grab a position of need in Free Agency.
I don’t think Ted needs to go, as it stands right now I don’t think any of the front office needs to go (when I was calling for McCarthy’s head in weeks 16 and 17.) But goddamn do these guys need to quit being so fucking stubborn. Ted, spend a little before the window closes. Mike, give the kids a chance and call plays the suit the strengths of the players who are healthy and available. Show of hands, who thought going into the Divisional Round that we’d not only hang with but nearly beat the Cards with only our #4, 5, and 6 WRs and Richard Rodgers, Slowest Man On Earth?
They don’t need to fire anyone. They need to get a separate receiver coach and keep Van Pelt coaching the quarterbacks. The receivers were great when Edgar Bennett was coach and Van Pelt the QB coach. Van Pelt could not do both jobs effectively and probably left the receivers on their own too much.
The problem with a public owned team is that nobody will be held accountable for the failures that occur. Nothing will change going into the 2016 season and the packers will be a one and done team in the playoffs again. Same old same old.
If the Packers were privately held, being unable to raise cash, they would have moved in either 1935 or 1950.
An article on another site says MM said fat Eddie needs to get in shape in order to get playing time next year. Really, why now does he tell him this after the season is over. He should have been in shape coming into the 2015 season. Once again nobody is held accountable.
Clearly the Packers don’t want to rock the boat during the season. And clearly Lacy was too heavy. As was pointed out previously, just take a look at some of his Alabama youtube videos. They guy had the speed to out run linebackers, something he does not have now.
Unfuckingbelievable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPrnpAK4n5Y
You guys are special. Let’s fire everyone because they didn’t win the super bowl! You know Aaron rodgers does share some blame for not winning some of these playoff games right? Your only comparison for team success is the patriots. You do also realize that Brady didn’t win a super bowl for 10 years right? If not for those first few years where those teams were loaded and the patriots were paying Brady a rookie salary, Brady would have one super bowl win in three tries. There aren’t more Bill belicheks just sitting on the street just waiting to coach. Since the early success, 2005 and on for Brady: 1 super bowl win, 2 losses to Eli manning. They lost to the mark Sanchez led jets one year. Let that marinade for a second.
If it weren’t for those three other super bowl wins, Brady would only have one super bowl win in three tries!
You do also realize that 3 of 4 teams they lost to in the playoffs, not counting this year, won the NFC, and one beat Tom Brady in the super bowl? And you can argue that the Seahawks should have won last year, and the 49ers could have won against the ravens. But yeah, we have it terribly, fire everyone. It’s not like this team didn’t beat the patriots in 2014
McCarthy was still down on Jeff Janis in his year-ending pressed. Did Janis fuck his wide or what is the deal there? Get that motherfucker more playing time!
Adams is supposed to play because he is a high draft pick, and Rodgers loves him. Rumor has it Rodgers dislikes Janis (whether that matters or not). This sends shitty messages to the other players I am certain of this. Whatever the “real” reason, Adams has sucked as bad as any starter I have ever seen, was not benched, and Janis and Abbrederis were left on the bench.
You guys just have no idea how close the talent gap is between nfl teams, particularly the teams atop the nfl. A play here, a play there separates these teams from each other in any given game. If malcom butler doesn’t make an incredible play at the end of the super last year, Brady is still without a super bowl since 2004. If Sam shields makes that same play and picks the ball off, there is a good chance the packers win that game in Arizona. But to hell with it, let’s blow it all up!
For the people that don’t think any changes are needed.
What if…for the next 5 years, the Packers repeated the failures in the post season as the last 5 years. Would you then change your train of thought? Or would you be ok with the post season fails for a total of 10 years?
In other words, how many years of not getting it done after winning a Super Bowl, until you stop giving upper management a pass? 5 years? 8 years? 12 years? 15 years?
Some of us fans, would like to see changes, so we don’t have to suffer another 5 years of post season fails during Rodgers tenure. These are valuable years with Rodgers, ones i’d rather not see wasted, like the last 5 years.
Wasted like Favre too. 12 is even better
Leadership is always the first place to look…for leadership sets the pace and the tone in the boardroom and the lockeroom. Someone asked if the head guys have anything to do with the players misplacing and the short answer is…yes! If the leadership is shit then that will find its way to the lockeroom and affect the team play. Now don’t hear me say that the players don’t have responsibility for themselves…they do and ought to be held accountable…to be sure…just like in any job….but I submit if the head leadership sucks it will affect everything else.
Without question McCarthy should be the one held accountable. I know i’m beating a dead horse along with what many others are saying here, but his absolute refusal to play Janis and Abby all year while not benching the worst receiver in the league is unforgivable. It’s the reason their offense was in the tank all year. They didn’t have a single receiver that was playing that was capable of getting open, with the exception of Cobb. But teams knew they could bracket Cobb and play 1-on-1 against Jones and Adams and that those 2 would never be able to beat them or run by them. Teams were able to load up the line of scrimmage and have their safeties and LBs be extra run stoppers the whole year because GB had nobody on the field that could run by the defense. They never attacked the middle of the field then all year, and Rodgers gets creamed every game and they can’t get the running game going. Everyone blamed Lacy for being too fat or blamed Rodgers for holding the ball too long, or a shtty offensive line. Yeah, Lacy could’ve been trimmer but he still ran really well when given any daylight. Yeah, Rodgers didn’t have his best year, but name me a QB that would look great when it’s a jailbreak each time he drops back. And yeah, the OLine was pathetic at times, but you don’t do them any favors when your offensive schemes blow and you never stretch the field at all so teams can just sit their safeties and let the LBs go full bore towards the line of scrimmage. Meanwhile, the 2 WRs that were capable to getting open never get an opportunity. It’s the most blatant double standard I’ve ever seen, and that’s 100% on McCarthy. I agree with others here, it sure seems like Rodgers doesn’t like Janis. But, he’s not the head coach!!! Tell him to grow up and be a leader and throw him the ball. The whole Arizona game, the CB could not cover Janis. They even started giving that CB help on every play, and he was able to get separation. And he aggressively goes after the ball!!!! I haven’t seen a WR do that for us all year long. WTF!!!! How the hell did he not get a chance to play before fat fck was forced to put him in when all the other WRs got hurt. F McCarthy! Another wasted year when we had more than enough talent to win a SB. These opportunities don’t come around very often and I fear we may have missed out on our last one. I hope not because we have enough talent coming back, but if McCarthy doesn’t get fired it’ll be the same thing next year. They are good enough to win enough to get to the playoffs in spite of that moron, but they will never get to the next level again with him as the coach. If we, as an organization, are happy with just being an also ran, so be it. But, I don’t think (or maybe just hope) that’s the case. FIRE THAT DEAD WOOD IDIOT!
Thank you! You are spot on! McCarthy plays favorites and always has. Janis is a gamer, and needs to see the field! Abbrederis is a great possession receiver in the making as well. I am glad that there are at least a hand full of us that see this and call it out for what it is! Half of these guys on this board are bandwagon apologists’ that obviously have their heads so far up G Bay’s brain trusts’ asses that they do not see talent when it is on the field . . . Fat Jesus always comes to mind . . . among others
But yet, it is a given they will make every super bowl when they get a new head coach. Tell me, how many coaches out there, currently coaching, have won multiple super bowls?!?!
“TT needs to grab some free agent veterans hungry for a championship.” Yeah, the Colts did that with Andre johnson, Frank gore, ect. How did that work out for them? Did they make the playoffs this year?
How did Reggie White and Sean Jones do? Andre Rison? Desmond Howard ? . . . those qualify don’t they? We can all make these points. The problem is, we do not go after them as often as we should to fill needs.
Well, I guess you’d go with the guy that keeps losing in the playoffs then. I’d like to try something different and see, we know what we get with McCarthy. I’m glad you’re not the one making the decision. Great reasoning on your part.
Ok pf4l, I have seen some posts on here, that were good posts that I tended to agree with. But, let’s say hypothetically, the packers fire McCarthy and Thompson, whoever you want, and the next coach/GM don’t work out, and the packers miss the playoffs. So, what do you do then? You just fired a combination that has proven they can win games, and can make the playoffs year in and year out, and with the exception of a couple years, were just a play or two away from advancing.
Having Aaron rodgers doesn’t make you a playoff team regardless of who is coach. Plenty of great qbs miss the playoffs, Dan Marino, big Ben has missed a couple times, as has Phillip rivers.
P4FL is right. Just having Aaron Rodgers IS good enough to make playoffs every year. Especially when the NFC North has been dog shit the last several years. Now it’s improving, and we didn’t even win it – Vikqueens did. Mike McCarthy is a good coach, and part of what the success of this team has come from is continuity. That’s huge, but at the same time, change could be good, for the right guy. Look, Belichick sucked until he had Brady. McCarthy would suck without Rodgers. Coaches matter little, but when we have the talent we do, especially on offense, and your coach decides to kick twice when your inside the 5, maybe a less pussy attitude is what we need. COACH COWHER, in my opinion, would do wonders for the attitude of this team…Aaron Rodgers deserves more than 1, 2 even 3 rings. He deserves as many as Brady gets…Or more…Dan Marino never won shit because his guys around him sucked. Rodgers has talent around him which is provided by Ted Thompson. McCarthy is a good coach, but has maybe run his course in GB. He is complacent, and has become even more conservative than he already was. He is too conventional, too predictable. Cowher or Gruden, I realize will be tough to lure back to coaching, but could do wonders for this team. I am sure there are other guys out there too with similar attitudes…Holmgren used to grab Favre by the face mask and yell at him to be smart with the football. You don’t see McCarthy grabbing face masks….This team, largely because of Rodgers, is too good to not win MULTIPLE RINGS. DYNASTY BABY!!!!!!!
A football game is like a war. You do your best to conquer and kill your opponent. When you have an atomic bomb (Aaron Rodgers), you don’t try to defeat your opponent by other, more tactical methods, you nuke the hell out of them because you can. We did this in 2011, and only faltered against the Giants because they had a DL that could get pressure without blitzing. They didn’t have to worry about our run game because we had no threat in that area. Also, our defense was a complete dumpster fire. Now our defense is no longer a weak link. In fact, it is a strength. The whole point of bringing a formidable (and then some) running back in to help our run game is so we no longer have to see the defense constantly dropping 7 or 8 into coverage. The whole point is to free up Aaron Rodgers and the passing game. Eddie Lacy, current issues aside because that isn’t the point here, is an elite NFL running back. Defenses fear him. That, alone, is enough for Aaron Rodgers. When the defense drops guys into coverage, gouge them with Lacy – the more tactical option. When defenses have only one safety, DROP THE ATOMIC BOMB!!!! To me, it’s really that simple…We need a coach that will drop the atomic bomb…McCarthy is not that….
Yes I am aware the 2011 team was STACKED at WR and TE, but it’s not like we are lacking there now, even without Jordy.
I am also aware we saw strictly single safety and man under all season. However, I am treating this season as a bizarre anomaly in an otherwise “offensive juggernaut” era under Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers is an atomic bomb. Use the atomic bomb when you’re 1 yard out in the NFCCG, don’t retreat and kick the field goal. Blast those sons of bitches out of their house…
A football game is like a war. You do your best to conquer and kill your opponent. When you have an atomic bomb (Aaron Rodgers), you don’t try to defeat your opponent by other, more tactical methods, you nuke the hell out of them because you can. We did this in 2011, and only faltered against the Giants because they had a DL that could get pressure without blitzing. They didn’t have to worry about our run game because we had no threat in that area. Also, our defense was a complete dumpster fire. Now our defense is no longer a weak link. In fact, it is a strength. The whole point of bringing a formidable (and then some) running back in to help our run game is so we no longer have to see the defense constantly dropping 7 or 8 into coverage. The whole point is to free up Aaron Rodgers and the passing game. Eddie Lacy, current issues aside because that isn’t the point here, is an elite NFL running back, but he is not more dangerous than Aaron Rodgers. Defenses fear him – that is all we need. That, alone, is enough for Aaron Rodgers. When the defense drops guys into coverage, gouge them with Lacy – the more tactical option. When defenses have only one safety, DROP THE ATOMIC BOMB!!!! To me, it’s really that simple…We need a coach that will drop the atomic bomb…McCarthy is not that….
Yes I am aware the 2011 team was STACKED at WR and TE, but it’s not like we are lacking there now, even without Jordy.
I am also aware we saw strictly single safety and man under all season. However, I am treating this season as a bizarre anomaly in an otherwise “offensive juggernaut” era under Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers is an atomic bomb. Use the atomic bomb when you’re 1 yard out in the NFCCG, don’t retreat and kick the field goal. Blast those sons of bitches out of their house…
The other disturbing part of this, aside from McCarthy, is Thompson and Murphy. Both are former players. They ought to recognize what they have with Rodgers. They could become rock stars in Packer lore like Harlan and Wolf did if they wake up and realize the recent norm for the team isn’t working. Murphy could probably squeeze Thompson to be a bit more aggressive if he wants him to be. And if Ted doesn’t like it, Ted can retire. There are probably more than a few qualified candidates who would jump at the chance to be in Green Bay as GM.