That guy right there.
We’ve got that guy right there.
He’s a generational quarterback. We’ve had two of those in a row now, but this one is different than the last one.
Brett Favre would win a game on sheer force of will, but he’d throw a lot of games away because he thought he could do anything. We lived by the Favre and, more often, we died by the Favre.
Aaron Rodgers is something else.
And yeah, we beat him the fuck down because he had his worst season to date. He would be the first to admit he’s set a higher standard.
And the Green Bay Packers are now officially wasting that.
Rodgers will be entering his 12th year in the league when the 2016 season rolls around. How many elite years does he have left?
We’re not going to speculate on that.
What’s amazing is Rodgers has just that one title in those 11 seasons to date.
Part of that is his fault. He hasn’t been great in the playoffs when the Packers have needed him to be great.
But part of it is the organization’s fault.
Here we sit with a generational quarterback, but we somehow cannot surround him with the players to win titles.
How is that?
Thirty other franchises in this league would happily take this guy — the one exception being the team who has Brady — and they’d win at all costs. They’d sell out to win because they knew.
They knew they weren’t going to be gifted a player like this again.
We’ll draft and develop though.
Wasted years.
Great Iron Maiden song.
Maybe TT would develop a player to help Rodgers in the next 3 years.
Gotta stop the trend here ….
Lost in the last 4 minutes last year and 65 seconds into OT this year …..
Hey, Monty… is there any chance the Packers would give that Colt Lyerla a chance again?
A 6’4 245lb TE that is incredibly athletic.
Or has Colt been blackballed from the NFL?
Yeah, let’s “develop” Janis and Abbrederis (sp?). If that coaching staff of ours can’t get that done, they should be out of a job. Route running? Getting separation? If our coaching staff can’t work these guys through that, they aren’t worth their paychecks. Janis has star potential written all over him, and Abby ought to be able to become a classic hands-down possession receiver like that guy from New England and the guy they traded to Denver. We wasted those two all year and there’s no excuse for it. If we had those two guys on the same page with Rodgers, our passing attack would improve dramatically.
You can guarantee Abby and Janis were running the scout team for the D all year and they had very little, if any reps with Rodgers. Part of the problem was injury to Abby. Part of the problem was TT only had one WR on the practice squad. So with Ty out basically the whole year, there was only the PS guy, Abby, and Janis to prep the D. TT should have had at least two WRs on the PS the entire year. It would have allowed Abby and Janis more quality reps with Rodgers rather than Tolzien.
Good points Howard.
Amen
who hired MM and co.? who hired mike sherman and co.?
it looks like the packers are a unique organization with a fatal flaw typical of large organizations like our federal bureacracy. all decisions are made by a “chairman” or point man that is selected by a committee? that means that the same ground rules for selection of a new hire will be flawed as well.
is that how we got mike choker #2 as a clone of mike choker #1 [Sherman]?
my guess is that both mikes had all the right buzzwords that the selection person had been advised to look for by the board.
good job interview, good sell, but “damaged goods for hire” was hired along with his incompetent crony coaching assistants [Philbin, Slocum, Clements, et. al. et. al. ad nauseum]
reminds me of same successful formula used by the POS fraud that “hollywooded” himself into the White House. great sell, but no delivery at best, disastrous consequences for the country at worst.
the packers ownership should not tolerate their board running a HC search like a junior high school prom queen campaign.
also, time to DITCH the long standing GB tradition of lifetime tenure for HC who got packers a ring???
Marino played 17 seasons, Favre played 16 with the Pack, Rodgers is at 11…fuck
The funny thing is I actually really like this team has a whole for next season when healthy. The issue is TT refuses to use free agency because he loves making terrible picks in the mid to late rounds of the draft instead. When jordy went down and it was clear the wide receiver position would be a problem I doubt there was even a sniff of consideration being made to attempt to trade for someone. Regardless with our young secondary, which is full of playmakers now entering their second season and having a healthy offense possibly adding another wideout or a tight end I like how we look. Let’s just hope it isn’t screwed up somehow
Amen!
Ted did do something after the Jordy injury. He went out and got James Jones.
Agreed, but the real pain about this is that we were weak at TE and ILB as well. We had a whole off season and preseason to address those needs and did nothing . . . as usual.
Ted has done a lot. Good draft last year, corners. Without that things would have been way worse this year. They are a few players away as always. Unlike 25 teams in the NFL. Set on defense except need a LB or 2 but Ryan played better as he was on the field more. Need a LT and a speed RB, and the old Nelson back. Injuries are the thing that cannot be predicted. At WR GB was not prepared to replace Nelson.
Oh yeah and a TE faster than Andy Reid.
It is more then just TT refusing to tap free agency. I think MM does some things really well but actual game prep , personnel choices, in game adjustments and decisions are awful. With he and TT running things I feel we will never win another SB. It is so frustrating being a fan of the team I love so much to see wasted opportunities year after year.
Amen!
Guys, I wish I knew the answer. What concerns me more that anything else about my Packers is that instead of being unbeatable or at least difficult to beat in the playoffs, they are not consistently losing and not only that but losing playoff games at Lambeau. Unheard of a generation ago. This team doesn’t seem to understand the traditions that are the Green Bay Packers. Often they play with little or no emotion. That’s a coaching issue and it needs to be addressed NOW!!! A team that depends on one or two of its stars to win, i.e. Rodgers, Nelson, is not a championship team. Sorry folks but Lombardi would have gone for the two point conversion and the win when the Cards were in a state of shock after the hail mary. BIG mistake not to do so.
I believe this off season, the Packers need to go all in.
Meaning…At this point, we don’t have anymore patience or time for draft and develop. As Kevin Greene would say..”The time is now!”
Get some quality depth in case of injury for the 0-line. Concentrating on tackles. Enough of Josh Walker, enough of Don Barclay, and any other stiff you plug in at tackle just to watch Rodgers get killed. That’s like replacing A R with the likes of Seneca Wallace and Vince Young.
Find a #1 tight end. Doesn’t have to be a franchise tight end, just a competent #1 tight end. DickRodg is a fine #2 with good hands, that will never be a #1.
TRY and acquire a mlb. Put Mathews back to what he does best, and where he actually wants to play (while we still have Peppers on the other side).
Acquire these players through any avenue available, free agency, street FA’s, trades, waiver wire, draft, i give no fuck….Just get them.
THE TIME IS NOW. Actually the time has been the last few years. But…… Ted Thompson.
Yep!
I’m certain the Packers won’t go all in and will instead stick with the plan of draft and develop. Thompson didn’t do it for Favre and there is no chance he’s going to do it for Rodgers. He’s probably already thinking he’s scouting Rodgers replacement. Because the offensive line was weak and the Packers will likely lose Neal, Guion, Raji and Perry, there’s about a 95% chance they’ll take a tackle or defensive lineman in the first round.
Exactly its always build for the future, make sure the future is taken care of and in good shape. Its the typical thought process of people in the 35 to 65 age range. You’ve built something hopefully by now, now just maintain it, never take anymore risks that possibly could set yourself back, always save money, go the cheap route first, etc.
heard that. I think it`s all about the money
I don’t think it’s quite time to sell the fram, but with the increase in cap room likely to coincide with 2 teams moving to LA and Rodgers’ longing of the tooth I wouldn’t disagree with that in the next 2-4 years. It’s unlikely that we’ll be able to find a SB-calibre QB immediatley after Rodgers’ retires, especially low in the draft. So a few years of mediocrity while maintaining contracts with key players or wouldn’t be the worst thing. But not just yet. Let’s use a little perspective. This is a team that started the game going 4-6 in it’s previous 10 games. It’s HoF QB had been off for 2/3 of the season, the injured #2 receiver who had been off almost all season himself went down in the first quarter, leaving a #4 receiver on one of the best DBs in football and #s 5 and 6 receivers. This was against a team with one of the 5 best D’s in football and THE best offense in football in their house. A team favored to win the SB. The D held them to 40 rushing yards, 26 points, and forced 2 TOs (potentially 6). Yes the ending was heartbreakingly reminiscent of last year. But we had no business being in this game according to most, Hell many even picked against us in the previous week, and yet we took them down to the wire. Let’s give this the previous, and the nest year or two’s drafts to develop and heal, and then maybe start to think about mortgaging the future when Aaron Rodgers starts his last contract.
I agree with pretty much everything being said here. It’s definitely time to go all in and try and get this team and Rodgers a couple more Lombardi trophies. And I agree with what we need. Offensive line depth. A mlb. And a legit mobile tight end. And how about Jeff Janis on the field? With jordy, Cobb, Adams, Montgomery and Janis all healthy I would like that look. Go back to some five wide try and stop us looks. Open up space for Eddie this way too. I also agree with McCarthy not being the greatest in game coach as well. If you look at teams like the hawks and pats, they sometimes look like a different team after the half. With the packers it’s the same thing regardless of score or situation
Amen!
Agree Barclay and Walker have to go for upgrades, not replacements, upgrades. Tightend that can stretch the seams needed, I would also add a quick twitch running back who can catch. I still believe Matthews is best in the middle, however I also believe we need another fast ILB. Free agency will probably require additions of one or two OLBs.
Does anyone question that this team has the proper cardio training? Sure they spend time in the weight room, and at yoga, however the D sure seams gassed in the 4th quarter of important games. You can say that is due to the offense not producing, however should a team not be prepared for all circumstances.
I want to see Mathews back at what he does best. This D-line can be very productive and generate some real push up front (sometimes, see the 1st 5 games of the season). Rare, but when the D-line is on, and Clay and Peppers are QB hunting, it reminds me of the bears 46 pass rush.
Clay Mathews sack and ff production this season has been at or near career lows for him. that’s why i’d like to see him move back.
For all those insisting the Patriots are the team the Packers should hold themselves up to, why weren’t you clamoring for Josh McDaniels when the Rams gave him up?
I think the problem with Daniels is he may not be familiar with the west coast offense. That could be a problem with Rodgers and Daniels interfacing in Rodgers final years.
Josh McDaniels had a lot of growing to do…he is a different person now after being with the New England organization..why didn’t anyone look at him for a head coach?? who knows, but Belechick is happy…lets see…Edger Bennett or Josh McDaniels…funny stuff there…Brady and the Pats potentially going to a SEVENTH SuperBowl….and McCarthy with Farve and Rodgers??? Sad stuff, but I’m supremely happy with my closet full of NFC North Div Champs hats and Tshirts…hahaha…
So because fans think a team with the first or second best qb in the league with 1 Sb and 2 championship game appearances in 8 seasons as a starter should look to a team with the other best qb who’s playing in his tenth championship game and has 4 rings, we should have been up in arms about wanting to hire their offensive coordinator as our head coach?……..uh ok
No, I’m pointing out that its easy to simply point to the best and say “we need to be like them”. It’s much more difficult to make that happen. I’ve heard a lot of fans this season point out how the Patriots play calling is better than the Packers. Josh McDaniels calls the plays for the Patriots, not Belichick, yet no one mentioned him when he was available a couple of years ago.
It’s not just play calling, it’s A-Z.
I completely agree with everyone. Unfortunately McCarthy and Thompson dont feel any pressure to change their ways. I believe they both signed extensions and aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. Yeah constantly drafting late will cause us to miss on the Patrick Willis and Calvin Johnson’s, but wasted first round picks on Harrell, sharrod, etc. being draft and develop that just kills us.
Not adding guys like lynch or moss over the years for a low draft pick have killed us. I give them credit the core is there and they can be the best but they have to quit being so negligent with free agency. It can’t be that expensive and detrimental to the future to sign a te And lb that can come in and get them over the hump. The secondary seems set with last years draft. Wr talent is there. We hit the qb lottery with Rodgers and Favre back to back and the thought of them only getting 1 ring each is sickening.
We should be doing what the pats have been able to do and we’re not even close to that and why? Management refuses to change their ways.
Carolina, Arizona and Seattle will be doing whatever it takes to get better this offseason and we’ll be sitting there waiting for the draft. Expecting 7 rookies to help Rodgers win a ring next January, I see the same results and another year and chance wasted. We’ll have plenty of years to develop and lose games when he’s done. Why sit on cap money when just a little of that can go a long way in getting another title?
I am glad this team didn’t lay down and die in the postseason, especially given the last two games of the regular season. They fought their hearts out. Anyone that said Rodgers wasn’t a “clutch” qb look like morons. I think MM is a good coach, but these OT losses in the playoffs are concerning. Becoming a bit of a pattern. 0-4 with McCarthy as a matter of fact. The defense has played well enough for the most part to win in the past 5 playoff games. However they have struggled to come up with the big play toward the end of those games and often have been gashed when they start to play conservative. Hyde dropped a potential game clinching pick in 2013 against the 49ers. Against the cowboys, they were very fortunately able to beat the cowboys due to dez’s drop. Then everyone knows what happened at the end of the NFC championship. Then Saturday night, dropped picks, and a complete defensive meltdown after dominating for most of the game. Just don’t have clutch players on defense
“Unfortunately McCarthy and Thompson don’t feel any pressure to change their ways.”
^ Maybe the the most prolific statement i ever read on here. I’m not exactly sure what Mark Murphy does, other than glad hand with everybody at NFL headquarters, lobbying himself to succeed Goodell as Commissioner.
Yes I agree it is easy to say we need to be more like them but as fans what more can we do? The point about McCarthy and Thompson feeling no pressure hits the nail on the head. They don’t and we sit in limbo year after year. It’s not just the play calling with the pats. It’s their willingness to go get proven vets through trade and free agency and take chances on big egos buying into their system for the chance to win.
And I’m sorry but I cannot sit here and listen to people say hey we made it to the playoffs seven straight seasons, only the pats have done that we are spoiled compared to other franchises. Well guess what? Other franchises don’t have Aaron Rodgers. The pats have Brady and have been to 6 super bowls with him winning 4. How the hell can we be happy just making the playoffs? All those other teams not getting there don’t have one of the best qbs in the game year after year and that’s the difference. It’s the people saying hey we are getting there we should be happy that make the people running this organization think just getting there is acceptable. I’m sorry but it’s not. What’s acceptable is going for it all and eventually winning it all….. And after you win it all you know what you do? You go and win it again and again and again. That’s what being a top franchise is about. Pats, Yankees, lakers to name a few as of late. Strive to be like them
Yep! and when you say what you say, the “homers” turn into bitches and get all recalcitrant. What the hell is wrong with going for the gusto every fucking year? The spoiled ones are the complacent “we made it to the playoffs” real bandwagon buffoons that have no balls to bitch about MMTTand DC shitting the bed in the playoffs. And Yes! TT for not getting the experienced hungry vets to kick ass for them (I know! J Peppers! How about a few more than one?). I am over this milquetoast crowd of apologists! Fuck half of you! you know who you are! DC and MM took their feet off the gas after they got the lead! WHY? FUCK lol!
Totally agree MMTT…. !!!
it seamed like Janis didn`t even play the 3rd and 1st part of the 4th quarter
During the 10 years MM has been coach, the Pats have the same number of SB wins as the Packers – 1.
Cowherd was giving major props to Janis today on the show. Didn’t know how the hell the Packers found a big, fast, long kid like that in the later rounds.
What he should of said was, “why was he not playing all year? . . .
Jeeeeesus this site is toxic…..
That coming from a Mets fan ?!?!
and in the mean time, Belicheck and Brady are into a 7th SuperBowl…at least i think they will be…noodle arm Manning beat them??? Not likely…
McCarthy’s nightmare…Abby and Janus playing and playing well….answer the questions Mashed Potatoe Mike!!!! Why did it take so long, stubborn one…
Great sang!!
Put Edgar Bennett back at WR coach. Those routes sucked this year.
The “Wasted Years” argument (good tune) is tired nonsense. Brett and A-Rodge have the exact number of rings they deserve based off their own play. They touch the ball on every offensive play and have more to do with the team’s success or failure than anyone.
They also make by far the most money of anyone on the team, which requires them to play well for the team to win.
BTW, the Pats have the same number of SB wins during MM’s tenure as the Packers do – 1. They went 11 years without a Super Bowl win. They won early with Brady not making huge money. They paid him big money and then struggled to field a defense good enough to win for 11 years. Finally, Brady started sacrificing salary so the team could build a better defense. They used his money to pick up a couple players and won another Super Bowl, finally, last season thanks to an interception by a guy that Belichick left on the bench all season and only saw the field because of an injury.
This year, they are basically back to draft and develop like most teams in the NFL.
That all being said, I actually expect TT to be somewhat aggressive in the offseason. The Packers have 17 free agents, many of whom I don’t expect to be back. That will free up most the $30 mil the Packers are under the cap to be used elsewhere.
The pats have won 1 super bowl in that time which you attribute to a goalline interception but they also played in 2 other super bowls they lost…. One on a miracle catch where a guy pinned a football to his own helmet and another due to a terrible drop by one of their receivers. They’ve also been to 5 straight title games so they are at least sniffing around it unlike the packers. But I won’t pin the blame on just McCarthy. I am well aware Rodgers has shit the bed in multiple playoff games and the defence killed us in others. And for good measure there were a couple games where they combined to kill us. Regardless of this history I do like the team the packers are bringing back for next season and if we can stay healthy, with our schedule I think we are set up pretty nicely.
In both those Super Bowls, they lost to the Giants, who also beat the Packers. Thus, the only difference between the Patriots and Packers those two years was that the Pats had the good fortune of playing in the AFC. The Pats continue to have that good fortune.
This^
I mean shit I cheer on toxic franchise’s like the Mets and Rangers. It adds to the frustration of the Packers losing every single fucking year in the playoffs.
Good come back – I like you man !
Can’t say that about a lot of Mets fans ….
The people that think that our roster is loaded and deep with elite talent are delusional. Our great coaching and QB have carried our sad sack of a GM thus far but time’s running out! It’s time to make a change at GM and hands the keys over to Eliot Wolf or someone else.
Enough is enough.
The packers also has the “good fortune” of playing both games vs the giants at home while the pats played them at neutral sites and the second game vs the giants the packers were destroyed. In regards to Brady restructuring to take less money those deals were worked out in ways where he wasn’t losing any money at all, they just worked their way around the cap to free up space.
If your point about all of this is to blame Aaron Rodgers though I take no issue with that. He definitely deserves blame, but let’s not let mm and tt off the hook either. My question is what is the next step? And at what point do the packers consider making a change, whether it be qb, coach or gm? In my opinion it can’t be Rogers regardless of how bad he plays in the playoffs. So what then? Just keep going with what they have and hoping for a bounce or two? Maybe…