The notion of Aaron Rodgers as some infallible god gets on our nerves.
Great quarterback, yes. Great leader… eh. We certainly wouldn’t go that far.
And let’s face it, Rodgers lays the occasional turd out there on the field just like everyone else. Saw it two weeks ago in Denver. Saw it in the NFC Championship game.
Thankfully, he doesn’t have games like that as often as most quarterbacks do. We tend to think that means most people give him a pass.
They give him a pass when he places the blame elsewhere. They give him a pass for not winning playoff games.
Well, the Green Bay Packers’ recent performances have seemingly shined a light on some of QB1’s shortcomings. Losing has a way of doing that. So, for the first time we’re hearing stories about Rodgers possibly not being all he’s made out to be.
Here’s one, which Colin Cowherd discussed on his show on Monday. It starts out painting Rodgers as moody and petulant. The overall point being, he’s not a great leader.
Mike McCarthy is his head coach. My sources in the league have said, over time, they don’t love each other. Mike McCarthy is absolutely considered one of the top offensive minds in the National Football League and a top-five play caller in this league if you ask around. He and Aaron don’t see eye to eye. So this year McCarthy relieved himself, stepped away from the play calling duties and what do you know? Aaron Rodgers isn’t quite as good.
Aaron Rodgers is not easy to get along with. I feel that, from sources, is true. I know a former Green Bay Packer who was on several teams, with several good quarterbacks, told me Rodgers could be moody week-to-week and day-to-day. There have been three different Packer players — Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Jermichael Finley — who have been critical of him while being a teammate.
So he’s fought with his head coach. I know that to be true. He’s not always gotten along with teammates. I know that to be true. He still holds a grudge against Cal (for firing his coach, Jeff Tedford). Have you ever seen him introduced before a game? You list your alma mater and he says, “Butte Community College?” Awfully juvenile, right, for a star quarterback?
Is it outrageous to suggest that maybe Aaron Rodgers is a remarkable talent, but isn’t always elevating the locker room as a whole?
We do think it’s fair to suggest that.
Then came this, which was a bit more of a surprise.
The running joke in Green Bay and in that division for years has been, “Do you know the difference between Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers? Aaron can play.” Or in other words, they’re both a pain in the butt.
Watch the whole thing right here.
Well they better cut him I guess if Colin Cowherd said this. Who cares if he is moody? Plus Jennings and Finley are great leader examples. Move on
Wake up Ferris, you’ve been skipping class again. I may have to send Lynn Fuckin Dickey over to your house to give you some smelling salt. QB1 is one of the best in the league, but just because he can run a no huddle and call audibles, down’t make him a leader. Passion for the game and leadership needs to shine even when the chips are down. His emotion and high fives are only when we happen to be winning games or playing an inferior opponent.
This sums it up. For anyone who doesn’t think Cowherd is on to something here, please get your head out of your ass. QB1 is a remarkable talent, but fuck it if you think he’s a good leader. Go back and read the comments from Driver. Seems to me that when you re-read Driver’s comments and compare it to this story, there is much more to Rogers than meets the eye.
First, unless we’re on the sideline or in the locker room we fans absolutely do not have enough information to determine whether a player is a “good leader.”
Fans whine that he doesn’t do enough rah rah cheerleader stuff like Tom Brady or Drew Brees’ annoying huddle break down. That crap is nice for the cameras but isn’t proof of strong leadership.
Cowherd clings to Jennings and Finley’s comments while giving those two losers a pass on their selfish attitudes. To them, 12 would have shown leadership by throwing them the ball more. That’s it. That’s all that was about.
It’s weird that whenever the Packers struggle this and this alone is all that the pundits offer up as a possible explanation.
As if “leadership” is a magic potion. If Aaron just did more high fives and huddle break downs it would fix all of the problems.
Screw Cowherd and his stupid hair.
So Rodgers leadership is stealthy and hidden in the shadows you’re sayin. Oh…now I get it.
He doesn’t always agree with Buffoon? That’s damning evidence right there
And I am not saying 12 is perfect. But if you honestly can watch this team play and come away with the belief that his leadership is the main problem… I don’t know what to say. I guess I’d like to know how better QB “leadership” will improve our pass rush and Ted Thompson’s personal decisions, among other issues.
Wait, so Big Mike stepped away to spite QB1 and somehow prove he’s the smarter one? OOOOOOK.
I think we ought to make sportswriters the GMs of all of the NFL teams, TV media hacks and talking heads the head coaches, and the dudes or dudettes who run the Fan Duel and Draft Kings gambling fantasy football sites should run the league offices. Then everything would mighty fine and the NFL world would be allllllright! And we could turn on the TV or read the sports news and they would tell us it was all good. Yes indeed!
Sports leadership is overrated, and most of these guys are cocky assholes anyway. There are exactly zero other qbs I’d prefer to have on the Packers.
And who could this Colin Cowherd know that MMTTDCSUCK, among others here, does not know? Why is it that people in the national media and people who talk to NFL execs, players, and coaches all say McCarthy is a very good coach, but all of the trolls in the blog comments sections say he is a buffoon? What explains the difference in opinions?
Did Andy Pants just type sports leadership is overrated? Tell that to Brady and all his rings. I’ve never read such a bullshit comment on the internet till now as that.
I’m sure that if you asked Tom Brady, he’d say leadership is the only thing he does well, the only thing that matters. His success has nothing to do with the teams he’s played with, the system, coaching and his actual football skills (footwork, accuracy etc.) It’s only Brady’s leadership and screaming LETS GO LETS GO LETS GO on the sideline that has won all of those championships.
No his defense won him his first 3 rings. Remember he was very young when he won them and didn’t have much of a leadership role. People who have Brady’s nuts in their mouths forget that. That being said he is a better leader than Rodgers though…
Hmm…when did I say that Brady won championships only on his leadership skills. I agree with you Gravy that it takes a lot more…my point is that his leadership qualities are one of the things that have assisted in winning those championships.
Leadership is much more than yelling Let’s Go on the sidelines….it also is A LOT more than saying jack shit on the sidelines to his team like QB1
It is a club, same as Doctors, Police, etc. They stick together for the most part. They buff each others storyline to perpetuate the illusion . . . Pretty simple I would say. Most fall for the inculcating. Some of us do not, and see through the BS :)
Yeah its not like MM peers are going to say he sucks ass at his job.
I remember years ago as a kid watching sports. All wide eyed and excited and impressionable. The commentators would always slarve over players on the two teams, and say how great they were, and they were this, and they were that. But in reality they were not playing that good. And so I kept that In mind each and every time that I listened to them over the years realizing that they were compelled towards hyperbole to keep the fans, especially the casual ones involved. I used to think this to be duplicitous and rather shameless. Then I realized that it is a money machine that needs each fan, and each fan base to have inordinate pride in their teams . . . What better way to do this than by HEAPING HUGE ACCOLADES (many times undeserved) upon each of the “principle players’ for each team. Marketing 101 . . . hello cynicism. Goodbye FANTASY . . .
Brady and Manning. Neither of them are moody, right? They’re always level headed leaders, especially during the games, never call anyone out.
At least they talk to their teammates on the sideline.
You have misunderstood what Cowherd is saying. QB1 is moody to the point of being selfish and tuned out. Those other fuckers you mention are moody but at least they show they have a pulse. I think Manning is a whiny bitch, but ever notice how much he coaches on the sideline. Rodgers seems to always be starting into space. Almost “Culteresk” at times. Don’t kid yourself, this shit obvious for all to see.
The fact that Cowerd says were not a top 10 team is kind of ridiculous. No respect for our Pack.
So these are basically the Rush Limbaugh’s of sports radio (i.e., paid talk radio sportscasters that say stuff to get people to listen and call and complain), and you guys fall for it hook, line, and sinker just because they use unnamed “sources”. Really? They win more often than not and we should be thankful for what we have, not QB 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 like almost every other team. Christ
And I immediately stopped listening after I heard that. He might be right about the leadership points but that dudes a tard.
Holy fuck. This website gets dumber by the day…..
Seriously, get the fuck out of here you stupid self entitled cunts. Monty, go find the tallest mountain and jump. I have never been more ashamed of packers fans in my entire life. I can’t believe any level headed packers fan can take this media hack halfway seriously. This guy has no idea what the fuck. Unbelievable. Seriously, if you don’t have the packers, Aaron rodgers, Eddie lacy, their collective backs. GTFO. Go find some other team to root for. Tell me what team in the nfl you would rather root for over the past 6 years. What team has has the success the packers have had? The patriots are the only one I can think of. Niners? They are toast. Seahawks? Their team is about to experience the full blow of Wilson’s salary next year. Bengals? Hahahaha. Ravens? They are terrible.
Amen achilles! These fucking piece of shit packers fans have no clue how lucky they have it. Let’s cut Rodgers you stupid fucking pieces of your mother’s bloody fucking tampon pieces of shit. While we are at it, let’s cut lacy as well. And cut clay Matthews. FUCK it. Let’s get back into the 70s,80s packers mode. Or, how about we keep those players and the real packers fans can root for that team, and you fucking delirious faggots can go root for the shithole Cleveland browns and their revolving door of coaches, qbs. And shithead Johnny manziel.
yup, heap shit on Lacy, Rodgers, Matthews, i agree, cut them all and lets see who Monty writes about then…oh yah, dump the “buffoon” too…Colin cowturd is a whiney piece of shit that i can’t stand anyway, he thinks anyone else with an opinion is just the dumbest fucking person ever…i hate these sports jocks…writing and talking about sports, now there is one lucky person who can do that for a living…hope ya never have to get your hands dirty.
Chill out Kato . . . This is still America . . . I think? and you sound like a recalcitrant child. lol! Opinions are great, and just because these opinions TRIGGER a knee jerk reaction from you because they do not fit into your confirmation bias “comfort zone” get over it! Having healthy dialogue and talking like “sailors” is just what it is! Fun, and frustration venting! We are all just spouting off because of passion! So with that in mind . . . Fuck you! You fucking cunt homer! go find a FANTASY PACKER SITE that only caters to inculcated delusional acolytes like you!!!
As far as Cowherd goes? Fuck him! he is a douchebag blowhard, tough talking Limbaugh want to be. Fuck that media troll!
MMTTDCSUCK- I never said all was roses with the packers. It’s not obviously. There are obviously some problems. Will they get fixed? I hope so. I have some faith that they will. I am blasting the people with their knee-jerk reactions on this website. Some absolute idiocy. They have all sorts of just insane ideas, and then fail to say how to fix those issues.
Fire Mike McCarthy! – and replace him with who?
Cut Eddie lacy! – because he has had some bad games? Who do you replace him with? Starks is 29 years old and in the final year of his contract. What is the harm in him playing out this year and the final year of his contract? He suddenly isnt an nfl running back after back to back 1200 yard seasons
Fire Dom capers? – and who do you replace him with? I am not ruling out replacing him at the end of the year, and I think there is a decent chance of it happening if the ship isn’t righted.
Aaron rodgers doesn’t have the leadership to take this team back to the super bowl and is “distracted” by Olivia Munn. Idiotic. Just stupid. Joe flacco has the personality of a fucking statue. He won a super bowl. And those that say Munn is distracting Rodgers from his job are the same people that have have wife/girlfriend issues that distract them from their everyday work.
Do you see why I went off on these people? These are the same people that were doubting them in 2010.
I agree with most of what you say regarding the consequence(s) of immediate firings. They would do more harm than good at this point. But I do believe this Packers brain trust to be less than ideal every week that they play. Here is hoping (not trusting! because that has not happened) that the higher ups will start pushing for better coaching personnel soon, because these guys keep beating the same drum year in and year out. It has been very frustrating as a fan and viewer to see this level of coaching getting paid millions to continue to stay the same course that ends in heartbreaking playoff losses each year. With the additional realization that we can all see how they are going to do it from our own TV sets! Am I happy that they make the playoffs? Hell yes! But innovative coaching should be included in the scheme. Not tired old “pad level” BS. Forgive the redundancies . . .
I don’t care what anyone says. I miss? Brett Favvvvrra
Cowherd is a fucking Skip Bayless light joke of a “reporter/analyst” just trying to drum up drama because the Packers “issues” is the flavor of the week. Sadly for you, Monty, you’re not even Colin Cowherd light. Lose 2 games and you’re going fucking Pontius Pilate on Rodgers. Holy shit, you and the rest of these fair-weather fans are pathetic-fucking toxic human beings. Absolutely embarrassing examples of humanity.
I am really starting to dislike this website. A few bad games and all of a sudden the packers have Jay Cutler where they thought they had a good quarterback. This is truly absurd. And then all these fair weather fans that follow your every word. Get a grip people.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. This isn’t about how much we like the Pack, its about calling out the fucking problems that are screaming us all in the face. Can we fix anything as a fan on a Packers site, fuck no, but can we vent from another terrible loss….damn straight.
Everyone on here loves the Pack that’s why we’re so frustrated with how they have been underachieving. Yes Monty may be overreacting on some of the articles but I’m assuming that’s because he’s frustrated as well. I mean he is the one that created TP.
Thanks phatgzus, that’s obviously what i was thinking.
Packer’s might be in a slump but to say they’re not in the top ten? I don’t know about that. So Cowturd knows some unnamed player who has played with several good QB’s and says Rodgers is moody? Unless it wasn’t a WR the only person that could be is Jennings, who is a butthurt douche himself. Maybe it was Jeff Saturday, or one of the other reject offensive lineman. I still don’t get what Driver was complaining about, saying AR doesn’t take the blame for his receivers fucking up their routes or something. Not that I think that Rodgers can’t be a stubborn childish bitch himself either. I always wondered why he never mentioned Cal during his introductions. Interesting to hear about that. And I’m sick of hearing about how he’s still upset about slipping to the 24th pick in the draft. Would you rather go number one to the shittiest team in the league who has more issues than you could ever fix? Or would you rather get rid of your stupid ego and go to a winning team? Get over it already.
Let’s everyone just remember & be thankful:
we’re not, and fortunately never will be, the Lions
Do you think AR still has an unk dislike of JP? They only used him as a JJ Watt type eligible in the endzone once last year. And AR threw him an uncatchable bullet aimed at his nuts, and they never tried it again. Is MM afraid of AR? Maybe cause he is the only guy on the team who could get MM job security in trouble. If they ever cross swords that is. Other than that happening it looks like MM and his merry band of assistants are protected by GB unwritten rule of tenure for life if HC manages to win a SB?
Wow. 2 bad games and jump off the ship. Where were all these questions 2 weeks ago? I witnessed the broncos game first hand and still think this team will be fine. Get off Rodgers back. You are all crybabies.
Ok Bac, if they manage to win their next 4 games all vs N teams, then we crybabies will be convinced they have righted the ship, and we’ll join u in Disneyland to celebrate!
Big fucking deal. Ever see Tom Brady in the sidelines? Screaming “FUCK,” three times on camera when they lost to the Packers last year? Telling opposing fans to “shut the fuck up,” when they were booing him (news flash, Tommy…they were the other teams fans, they’re going to razz your ass.) The difference being that Brady has four rings and an organization willing to go out and do anything it can to win, from signing free agents….to cheating.
Phillip Rivers. Screams at his guys on the sidelines and in the huddle.
Quarterbacks are the focal point. Receivers are the prima donnas who are never satisfied. It comes with the position. “Here, here. I’m open. Throw it to meeee. Why didn’t you throw it to meeeeee. I was WIDE open!” Look at every disgruntled, dissatisfied loud mouth on most teams. Most of them are wide receivers who feel that the QB doesn’t feed them enough and are the first ones bitching to the media about it. Unless your name is Jordy Nelson. Or James Jones and you’re just thankful to have a team that needs you.
Cowherd? You mean the guy that ESPN didn’t even want anymore and cut loose last year? That’s saying a lot, seeing that they still give Skippy Clueless a paycheck.
Seriously. You have a defense that has given up nearly 1500 yards in three games, embarrassed itself by sideline fighting amongst each other on national television, and THIS is what you bitch about? Or was that pushing and shoving match Rodgers’ fault too.
Do me a favor. Go run a Bears fan site. Then you can experience what it’s like to have something real to complain about year after year.
#4 is still the greatest Packer QB talent ever!!! There’s Brett and then everyone else.
News Flash!!!! Aaron Rodgers isn’t, alledgedly, the world’s most perfect human being.
Don’t give a fuck.
Oh, here we fucking go again. Now that you aren’t shitting all over Clay Mathews for being a poor leader it’s Rodgers.
What’s wrong? Not enough clicks this afternoon to support your meth habit, when profit is split between you and your partners?
You are a real disingenuous little bitch McMahon.
Some scrape the bottom of the barrel…you lick it.
One day you are going to want to be taken seriously as a writer. You never will be because of all this shit you’ve blogged.
They have lost two straight games lol. Everyone is acting like they are the raiders of the past ten years. God we have it so bad as packers fans, making the playoffs every year, actually only missing like 5 times in 20+ years, including two super bowl trophies and a trip to another. I believe the patriots and the steelers are about the only comparable teams. Maybe the giants. Have some perspective. I am as disappointed by the results and play the past few games as anyone, but now isn’t the time to start calling people out. Every team has struggles. Shawn is one of the few level headed people here. This team still will go 12-4 fairly easily
No wonder they killed Jesus two weeks ago he was the greatest of all time the only reason were winning games now we should hang him from a tree
Fuck you crying bitches.
Especially the ones complaining about other people complaining.
We wanna win a Super Bowl and have the chance, fuck yes we’re gonna bitch and moan about all the little things, it’s the little things that determine whether or not we go, REMEMBER SEATTLE?