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Enjoy This Story About Ahmad Carroll Fighting Joey Thomas

Ahmad Carroll and Mike Sherman

Do we remember when this happened? Somehow, we do not.

That may be because we’ve tried to forget everything about Ahmad Carroll.

For those of you who don’t remember this turd, he was the Green Bay Packers’ first-round pick in the 2004 draft. He was a cornerback from Arkansas and entered the draft after his junior season.

There were those who suggested that, had Carroll remained in school for his senior season, he would have been a top 10 pick in 2005. That’s because he had speed to burn. Carroll also competed for the Razorbacks track team as a sprinter.

I remember thinking at the time, “Oh, fuckin’ sweet! We got a steal then!”

Unfortunately, Carroll was anything but a steal.

In fact, you could argue that he was the final nail in Mike Sherman’s coffin. At least as a general manager. Sherman, who it turns out was an awful GM, was replaced by your boy Big Ted in 2005. Big Ted would relinquish Sherman of his coaching duties a season later.

But this about a shitdick named Ahmad Carroll.

The Packers were hard up for corners in 2004, so they drafted Carroll in round one and another cornerback, Montana State’s Joey Thomas, in the second round. And this story has come back to the forefront because the Packers did the same thing in this year’s draft. ASU corner Damarious Randall in one. Miami (OH) corner Quiten Rollins in two.

But those guys are buddies.

Carroll and Thomas were not.

Following an early-season loss to the Bears (in what would turn out to be a 4-12 season), Carroll and Thomas got into it. Not on the field, but in a meeting.

The altercation caused Thomas to miss the following week’s game against the Colts.

This is from a report by our pal Rob Demovsky, post-incident.

The two rookie cornerbacks got into a scrap following a defensive backs meeting last Monday, the day after the Packers’ Sept. 19 home loss to the Chicago Bears. When the verbal sparring continued outside the meeting room, Carroll jumped Thomas and the two had to be separated.


Sherman really had a handle on that team, didn’t he?

Not surprisingly, both of these idiots turned out to be busts. Thomas played only a season and a half for the Packers, started just one game and had no picks. Carroll lasted only two and half seasons with the Packers and recorded a whopping three picks.

Despite his speed, Carroll was a highlight waiting to happen… for the opposing team. The only thing we can remember of him, other than being a bust, is how often he got beat deep.

But hey, now we’ll remember how he once beat up Joey Thomas in a meeting during the glorious 2004 campaign!

Monty McMahon

Monty McMahon is one of the founders of Total Packers. He is probably the most famous graduate of UW-Oshkosh next to Jim Gantner.



  1. JKPACKFAN May 12, 2015

    My only memory of Carroll was the Packers making a rare good play and it would be erased by Carroll with an illegal hands to the face 30 yards away from the play.

  2. ay hombre May 12, 2015

    Dude was awesome on Madden though.

  3. BZ in BA May 12, 2015

    All three of them were losers: Thomas, Carroll, and Sherman.

  4. Cheesemaker May 12, 2015

    A+ athlete, D- football player. I think I audibled a “who the f-k is Ahmad Carroll?!?” when I heard this pick. Exact same reaction I had with the Justin Harrell pick. Unfortunately, same thing with Damarious Randall. May this last one be unlike the others.

  5. Howard May 12, 2015

    Carroll = Toast as in burnt.

    1. Savage57 May 13, 2015

      Terrell Buckley, ver 2.0

  6. David May 12, 2015

    pretty sure thomas was a 3rd rounder

  7. Cheesemaker May 12, 2015

    Don’t forget that was the year Mike Sherman drafted BJ Sander in the third round. Wow. Just, wow.

    1. Howard May 12, 2015

      And traded up for him!!!

      1. Skinny May 13, 2015

        Ha, that is a precious memory. I wonder if Sander ever used his landscaping degree from Ohio State? Remember that story? God we sucked in the early 00s. Sherman drafted dumpster fire after dumpster fire.

  8. InFact May 12, 2015

    Sure, Carrol was a bust with GB, but he did play nine pro seasons, if you include the CFL…..and he played with two other NFL teams besides GB.

    Sherman was NOT a bust. Yes, he fell short in many ways, especially in the playoffs, but his regular season record % was admirable and he led GB to the NFC North title at least once, if memory serves me correct. Not bad.

    1. PF4L May 12, 2015

      When you’re a head coach, and have the likes of a Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers and you don’t win a few NFC North titles, you might be in the wrong business.

      As far as Carroll and Joey Thomas. Who gives a fuck, amirite?

    2. Deepsky May 13, 2015

      I would not call Sherman a bust as a coach, but I’d call him a bust as a GM.

      He had a good record because Wolf had left him with a good team. They had Clifton, Tauscher, Flanagen, Wahle and Rivera on the offensive line, all Wolf draftees. Favre, Driver, Franks, KGB, McKenzie, were all Wolf picks.

  9. A guy May 13, 2015

    Holding, number 28, defense, 5 yard penalty, automatic first down

  10. Deepsky May 13, 2015

    I don’t think 2004 was even Sherman’s worst draft. At least they eventually got 2 starters, Wells and Corey Williams. They ended up with absolutely nothing from the 2001 draft, which Wolf claims Sherman had final say, only 2 starters from the 2002 draft, one of whom only played 3 years with the Packers, and only 1 starter from the 2003 draft (even though they had 9 picks). 27 players drafted by Sherman and they ended up with about 5 starters and no real impact players.

  11. Deepsky May 13, 2015

    Here’s another scary part of this story. Sherman lamented at the time that he was unable to draft quarterback JP Losman who had been taken a few spots before Carroll. If the Pack had taken Losman in 2004, there’s no way they take Rodgers in 2005.

    1. The Money Mike May 13, 2015

      Even worse another mock draft had Rivers all the way down to us, then we’d be where we are today except without a Superbowl victory