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Five More Thoughts on Packers Tie with the Vikings

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Well, thanks to the ineptness of the Chicago Bears and the Detroit Lions, who both managed to lose on Sunday, the Green Bay Packers are still in the NFC North race, even after a 26-26 tie with the Minnesota Vikings.

The Packers haven’t won in a month and sit at 5-5-1. But hey, at least they didn’t lose on Sunday. Here are five more thoughts on the game.

Maybe Matt Flynn is the answer
It would be swell to get Aaron Rodgers back on the field, but if he doesn’t return soon, then at least Matt Flynn showed on Sunday he can still be effective. Flynn relieved Scott Tolzien in the middle of the third quarter because Tolzien just wasn’t moving the ball. He proceeded to put up 218 yards and a touchdown in that limited action. Tolzien only had 98 yards when he got yanked. The interesting thing is Detroit is next on the schedule. Flynn had the biggest game of his career against the Lions in 2011, throwing for 480 yards and six touchdowns.

Eddie Lacy is a beast
We figured Lacy would have a tough time finding running room on Sunday. The Vikings predictably stacked the box to stop Lacy. Didn’t matter. He ran through them for 110 yards on 25 carries anyway. Lacy also had 48 yards on six receptions. How do you stop this guy? I don’t know. It’s starting to look like you don’t. Glad he’s on our side.

The Packers run defense is bad again
The Packers defense looked pretty promising at the beginning of the season, particularly the run defense. On Sunday, they were awful. The Packers gave up 232 yards on the ground. Adrian Peterson got 146 of those yards. Then the Vikings brought Toby Gerhart in and he gashed Green Bay. Gerhard had 91 yards on just eight carries. That’s 11.4 yards per. Talk about regressing. You don’t have to look any further than the run defense.

Where were the big plays?
Against the Giants, Tolzien looked great throwing the deep ball. Before he got pulled, I don’t recall the Packers airing out the football at all. All the pass plays were short and underneath. Even coach Mike McCarthy praised Tolzien’s accuracy on the deep ball last week. And then they come out and dink and dunk. So, why didn’t the Packers try to take advantage of big passes on Sunday? It’s not like the Vikings have a good secondary. There have been some real questionable elements to the game plan lately.

Clay Matthews is back
I think it’s safe to say the Clay Matthews is back at full speed. Last week we saw flashes of the old Matthews, who broke his thumb earlier this season. Against Minnesota he was back to dominating. Four tackles, two sacks and three QB hits. Overall, the Packers had six sacks on the day. The defense may not be playing well overall, but at least they can get after the quarterback. That’s in no small part thanks to a healthy Clay Matthews.

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Monty McMahon is one of the founders of Total Packers. He is probably the most famous graduate of UW-Oshkosh next to Jim Gantner.



  1. the real russ letlow November 25, 2013

    I mentioned on the last post that I think Lacy trucked every defender on the pussies at least once, and got some dudes on their sideline too. Man , he was in full beast mode. Wish he could’ve scored a TD in OT!

    1. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

      That run outside over the 5 or 7 gap where he was corraled by half the Vikings and still popped out of there for 15 or so yards was a perfect facsimile of a Lynch or AD run. His run over the right side in which he Madden trucked the Vikes DB to finish instead if going OB, and that 4th-and-2 run were Brown/Campbellesque.

      If he can stay healthy, he’ll be something very special, at least for a few years-a bigger version if Beast Mode or quicker version of S-Jax.

  2. Sean November 25, 2013

    We need to get rid of Newhouse…. he is done. If Barclay can’t go against Detroit they need to try Sherrod. Newhouse is killing this offense.

    1. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

      Yep, hopefully he’s a FA this year and is acquired by some team with a God-awful line so he can at least partially count towards a 7th-rd. pick-more than he was ever worth.

      Somehow, though, I can’t envision the Sherrod Experiment starting on a 3-day week, against the Lions’ front 7, in Detroit on AstroTurf, on Thanksgiving. At least Rodgers won’t be playing in this game, Flynn and Tolzien migh be flip-flopping halves this week.

    2. chucks November 25, 2013


  3. Chitown Badger November 25, 2013

    I remember when we all couldn’t wait for Burnett to return at safety. Yikes. The fact that he plays like that and is still the best option is a scary proposition.

    And House looks completely lost out there. Yet he made one great play and had a chance to make a game winning/clinching interception, which hits him directly in the hands, and he drops it. That’s what separates good teams from shitty ones. And is a perfect representation of this D’s ability to create turnovers.

    1. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

      In a nutshell-House also dropped a possible pick-six in the 1st as well, gotta make those plays.

      I’m hoping thus is just a step back for Burnett, partially due to injury, poor surrounding play, aggresiveness, and even complacency; and not inability as he showed promise in past years. Hopefully that wasn’t just a mirage; he did make a nice play on AD in the backfield at the goalline so that’s
      something I guess, then again Micah Hyde and AJ Hawk made some nice plays on him as well.

    2. chucks November 25, 2013

      Also, House horribly misjudged the ball and gave up what should have been the game winning touchdown. We got lucky and Patterson dropped an easy TD catch.

  4. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

    That 4th-and-2 run by Lacy tells you all you need to know about the Man-the blocking on that play was bad at best and he was hit at least a yard in the backfield and still got the first by 2 yards with 3 or 4 Vikings hanging on to him.

    Tolzien threw it deep twice that I saw-once for a big completion to Jordy on the TD drive and once to I think Boykin in a great pass that Rhodes made a perfect play on; bummer he cant complete passes to our players under 10 yards. Flynn also threw it deep well.

  5. PF4L November 25, 2013

    Tolzien missed his short passes, no doubt its a different game if he was more accurate. McCarthy gave Flynn some nice play calls, passing to an open Lacy out in the flat. Not sure why Tolzien wasn’t given those plays, but it is what it is.

    Now here’s the bottom line. Whether it was Tolzien, or Flynn at QB. The results are the same as they have been for the last month. Not completing 3rd downs to move the chains.

    With the exception being the Eagles game. Here’s reality.

    Packers vs Bears: Packers convert 1 of 9 3rd down conversions.

    Packers vs Eagles: Packers convert 7 of 16…Not bad.

    Packers vs Giants: Packers convert 2 of 8.

    Packers vs Vikings: Packers convert 3 of 16.

    Take out the Eagles game and the Packers are 6 of 33 on 3rd down conversions. On offense anyway, therein lies the problem.

    1. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

      Yup, no doubt they need to get better on 3rd downs (on both sides) and that’s down to the coaches and players.

      You can’t just remove datum from a dat set-ya know sans the Witch Burnings, the Puritans of Salem were a peaceful lot.

      Of course, when the play works it’s almost always a good play call, this guy-John thah Fuckin’ Revelator right heeya. An out to Lacy in the flat? Like the one in which Tolzien decided to throw to JPP, er Quarless? Maybe there’s a reason for that; Hell, maybe MM did call some plays like that and Scotty wasn’t able to come through.

      1. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

        And no, I don’t hate Tolzien. I think he’ll develop into a capable number 2 or maybe even a full-time starter for a team like the Jaguars (he has the arm to make all the throws, even in the cold) given time and proper instruction.

      2. PF4L November 25, 2013

        Why do you always have to be a dick?

        1. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

          Hey (wo)man I sincerely agreed with you on the 3rd downs, ya just can’t ignore a data point because it conflicts with your conclusion. Include that shit-13-of-49 is really barely significantly better than 6-of-33. That was my point, just tried to use some humor to instill it, sorry if you don’t like my humor and/or me, but I’m not attacking your person (which is what a dick would do) just trying to provoke a reasonable (ya know the real shit that separates us from the animals, not that opposable thumb BS) response (with the aid of an attempt at humor) cause I know ya got some good shit to say, I’ve seen it.

          You can take the easy route and pay attention to the obvious negatives and blame everyone for it, but the thing is, there is no easy road if you want to be taken seriously, ya still gotta deal with the people who disagree with you. Come up with a cogent argument not one based on emotion, elsewise you’re just a zealot.

          1. PF4L November 25, 2013

            Ok, but answer my question. Why do you always have to be such a dick?

    2. Iltarion November 25, 2013

      The passes to Lacy in the fourth quarter were a result of the defense backing off and playing softer. Flynn was just taking what the defense gave him.

      The Vikings blitzed a lot more when the game was still in question, which forced Lacy to stay in the backfield.

      Notice that when the Packers got back into it, the Vikings went back to blitzing. And it worked.

      Third down conversion is about 75% QB play. That’s why with Rodgers the Packers are typically #1 or near so, and without him we are terrible at it. You HAVE to give your back up QBs manageable 3rd downs to convert, and we have struggled to do that.

      Really, I think first down was the key yesterday. How many 2nd and 10s did the Packers have? Seemed like it was ALWAYS 2nd and 10. Too many passes on first down and few of them worked.

  6. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

    Short week, on to Deetwoilet. Hopefully Lacy’s asthma doesn’t flare up again and Shields and Jolly are able to come back. If they can then maybe the D can play like it did in 1st and end of the 4th for 3 quarters; and if that happens then I’m hopeful the Pack could win this game.

    Maybe, I’m just a Pangloss playing the “If Game”, but I can’t help bu be a bit excited. The Packers finally showed
    some life. Eddy Lacy gets to play in a warm dome, as does Flynn. And it’s Turkey Day with John “BOOM, Peyton Favring” Madden (Rodney Dangerfield’s long lost brother); and the Green Bay Packers from the Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field in Titletown, USofA battling the Detroit
    Lions (as it should be) with the opportunity to control their
    destiny and commandeer the rudderless Bismark that is the
    NFC North from those unworthy scalliwags!

    Sooo, Fuck yeah! Go, Pack, go!

    1. Cheese November 25, 2013

      No way is Madden announcing. That would be sweet.

      1. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

        I don’t hink he’s announcing, just presenting the Turducken or some such; wish he would do a game every Thanksgiving, though, I think we’re stuck with Fuck and Acheman -something to not be thankful for.

  7. Iltarion November 25, 2013

    FatJesus is still drunk.

    I know it is a bitter pill to accept the tie when we were two yards away from the biggest come back victory in recent memory, and perhaps the craziest turnaround ever.

    However, at 23-7 with our fourth QB in 4 games coming in, we were D.O.N.E… done. Season over. Rest A-Rodge for the remainder because it no longer matters.

    Instead, Matt Flynn comes in. Some breaks start coming our way. The Lions and Bears both lose. And all of a sudden our season is saved. It may not have been the win that would have tied us for the division lead, but it was still a HUGE tie.

    Get Derek Sherrod on the field. No more about how Sherrod is “coming along”… “making great progress”… blah, blah, blah.

    Instead of calling timeout with 1:40 left in the half, with Minnesota inside the 5, MM waits until 1:00. We get the ball back and end up running out of time while nearly in FG range. Idiocy!!

    You need a 2 pointer. You spread them out and give the ball to LACY!!!! My God, man!!

    Apparently Johnny Jolly makes ALL the difference to the run defense. Without him, BJ Raji and Ryan Pickett become average again. Not taking up enough blockers and not getting off blocks.

    Hey, Tim Masthay, kiss my ass. A dome punter out-kicked you in 20 degree weather every chance he got. If 40 yards with no return is the best you can do, then your best sucks.

    1. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

      It’s Phatgzus, Ilt, c’mon man don’t you being startin’ that unsightly business.

      And you’re damn straight I’m drunk, drunk on life! Is it the exclamation marks? the waxing lyrical?
      Man, the way I see it, the Pack have looked uglier than a lime green shag in the past 4 games and yet thy still have a chance to take control, AND IF they win, they may have the best player in football back to finish it out. When the going gets tough, you can either give up or hold on to what hope is left. The going couldn’t be any tougher and I’m choosing the latter. Sure it may be somewhat unreasonable, but i won’t explode if they lose- I’m well aware the odds are against them. If you want to give up, man, that’s fine, I ain’t, nit until the lat seconds tick off the clock at the end of the game with the home team having a higher (not equal) score. And ya know what? Even at that point tge Pack still won’t have been mathematically eliminated, stranger shit has happened, just sayin’.

    2. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

      I want to see Sherrod as well, that said it could be worse than him, not much, but still, worse is worse.

      Hate when coaches let time run off unnecessarily (Coughlin did it vs. the Cowboys), dunno how many TOs the Queens had left though, if they had more than 1 he may have let some time run off because he didn’t trust his O to not go 3-and-out and give the ball back with time for them to score.

      Masthay was fine-directional kicking and punting so as not to outkick his coverage to perfection-gonna cost yards but Sherrils didn’t do shit and Patterson had 1 good return. I’ll take that.

      Johny Jolly Green DOES matter that much-’09 and ’10 vs. ’11 and ’12 bears that out. Pickett was just fine as he always is, Raji, Wilson, and Worthy got buried-almost all major runs (particularly Gerhart’s) were to the weak side.

      Spreading-and-Dreading probably woulda worked; in MM’s defense, Flynn was heating up. Furthermore, MM gets props for having the balls to stick with Tolzien for one more try as well as switching QBs halfway through. Criticize his playcalling all you want (OT, PAT), but the fact is Lacy was besting all day and the offense moved the ball quite well as soon as Flynn was in.

  8. PF4L November 25, 2013

    Listen!!…Its not Raji’s job, to make tackles, or sacks. His job is too clog, so others can get the glory and make plays. Raji’s job is too occupy, I guess in Raji’s mind he is a 10 million dollar occupier. Yes, i’m being sarcastic.

  9. GBslacker November 25, 2013

    Here’s a Sixth Thought…

    Nothing pisses me off more than to see a shot of Capers, up in the booth, resting his face on his fist.

    WAKE UP!

  10. Phatgzus November 25, 2013

    The reason’s in there, I could say you have to dig through some dirt to find a gold nugget, but that’s probably even too pretentious for the character of me you have created in your mind’s eye.

    You want in plain English, fine here’s your holiday present-it’s cause you act like a dick towards whoever disagrees with you. And it’s a gorram shame because you actually have some valid points that are born of some sort of logic on
    occasion and you could provide some sort of insight if you weren’t so keen on attacking others instead of explaining why you believe that shit. That’s why, yo.