Well, color me fucking stupified. The Green Bay Packers have released quarterback Vince Young.
Read that again.
The Green Bay Packers have released quarterback Vince Young.
That leaves them with B.J. Coleman as the backup to Aaron Rodgers.
I don’t even know what to say.
Trust in Big Ted, I guess. Needless to say, we didn’t see this coming.
Maybe this paves the way for the return of Graham Harrell? Coleman only throws into double coverage three times a game. Shouldn’t be a problem if he has to start. Or maybe Brett Favre wants to come out of retirement?
BJ isn’t the man- there are other qb’s out there. I would like to see Tebow or Sexy Rexy here. Big trouble if Rogers goes down!
TYRONE WALKER GONE TOO…maybe a PC candidate
Didn’t see this coming? Was Vince Young really that impressive? I think it’s pretty obvious he was brought in to motivate the backups. There’s no way the Packers were going to make him their backup QB. They’ll either trade for someone (doubtful) or sign a free agent. Either way, our backup QB situation will probably continue to be an area of weakness on this team.
The bottom line is we are fucked if Rodgers does down. Does not matter who of the three is the backup. I still think Coleman has raw potential, but he seems to have regressed from last year.
T.T. AND M.M. ARE BORDER LINE NUTS. Young out played Coleman. Last game had a 130 qbavg.Young can get you a 1st down running. I would take him for 1 season over Coleman.And with that o-line you will need a running QB
Kind of makes it look like the Packers aren’t sure what they’re doing, hum? I wonder why even bring him in if the knock on him was his maddening inconsistencies and then expect to turn around the player with just a few weeks to learn and develop in a complex system? Wow, they gave Graham Harrell a few years and he was the antithesis of “athletic” at the position.
Now imagine if we had the smarts to draft Russell Wilson or even Colin K. instead of Seattle and San Fran respectively…we would have kept them from competing against us on Sundays. Instead, we draft guys like Harrell or Brohm as backups—nice.
Oh please go on and tell us something else you would have done differently as GM. Have you sent your résumé out to any NFL teams?
It seems like a reasonable question to ask. The Packers have built depth at every other position, so to speculate as to options foregone that might have served to avert the dearth of personnel at the most important position on the team by drafting either of these guys makes some degree of sense. If I recall correctly the Packers had a shot at Wilson in Rd 3 in 2012 draft.
Don’t get me wrong, Casey Heyward seems to have been a solid choice, but I think he’ll be in over his head trying to play QB.
Oh, and TT’s mentor Ron Wolf seemed to be pretty good at making sure the backup QB shelf was pretty well stocked with Hasselbeck, Brunell, Brooks, Detmer, et al.
Backup qb is not the most important position. Hindsight is always 20-20. In hindsight every team in need of a quarterback ought to have drafted Tom Brady, or so it would seem.
What Savage57 said….
I am building a multi-million dollar private enterprise first so that I have the freedom to work as an NFL scout for ANY organization FREE of charge. I will work my way up and be a GM someday, it’s only a matter of time. I will learn the business inside and out as I’ve done in my own and you will read about me someday.
If they had drafted Kaepernick and/or Wilson then they wouldn’t have cobb and/or Heyward, Dunno about you but I’d rather have those 2 in lieu of a backup who at this juncture would not have yet seen game time and would likely command a few million dollars to sit on the bench, and who in a few years would be starting for another team anyway. Not to mention that those 2, as hybrid runners/passers are more likely to get injured.
With Young’s running ability, i figured him to be the best #2 option. His short passes were manageable too.
Must have been some learning curve issues or something…
VInce Young NFL W-L record of something like 31-19. National championship collegiate QB.
Now, when TT picks up some UDFA from Cornhole State that’s been cut, I’ll have a bloody spot on my head from where I’ve been scratching it.
Makes me wonder if this whole I’ll-take-a-piece-of-shit-and-make-him-an-NFL-player thing has gone to Teddy’s head.
Any strength taken to an extreme becomes a weakness.
“Makes me wonder if this whole I’ll-take-a-piece-of-shit-and-make-him-an-NFL-player thing has gone to Teddy’s head.”
I’m pretty sure it’s gone to McCarthy’s head!
He’s annointed this great QB guy — what’s he got to show for it?
Skipping over Rodgers while at SF.
and, of course, McCarthy also deserves some credit for:
… selecting Bob Sanders,
… near league-leading sacks allowed year-in/year-out,
… season after season of no 100yd rushers,
… and off-seasons of self-scout (read: self-improvement) and injury prevention.
I am not surprised. VY had a very disappointing game vs KC, and his overall body of work in camp was lacking. I don’t think we’re set with Coleman either. Maybe a pickup off the wire, maybe a trade. Then again, maybe not. Was disappointed Ty Walker didn’t make it. Hopeful for the practice squad.
I’m a bit surprised but Young really didn’t perform well so I’m not entirely nonplussed. Same sentiments on Walker, I think he will make the PS.
As for QBs, though I’m not a fan of either, both Leinart and Tebow are available, and Tebow actually made some good throws this preseason, particularly last week.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Packers draft another QB next year.
VY has never really been an accurate passer and couldn’t protect the ball. Surprised Walker and Amosa are gone, hopefully they don’t get claimed off of waivers so we can sign them to the PS.
Matt Leinart is available. He can’t be any worse than Harrell or Coleman.
Seriously, I wonder what cutdown bag o’ shit QB TT is going to pick up and hand MM and tell him to make a backup QB out of?
I’m not concerned with having a backup who can win long term; as others have said, if Rodge gets seriously injured (god forbid) we are boned. However, it’d be nice to have a backup who can win one game (say if Rodgers gets concussed or minor injury preventing him from playing a week) and I think VY could be that guy. This is a bewildering development.
True. Also, I think the biggest difference between Young and the other backups was that the Packers (assuming Rodgers ever gets hurt for a long time) would still be watchable with Young as the quarterback. In fact, people would probably would want him to do well. Again, this is assuming Rodgers missed significant time, but still. I can’t imagine an entire season or half a season with B.J. Coleman.
Young didn’t do anything amazing in the preseason, but he did extend drives with his raw scrambling abilities. Also, he has been out of football for a year. I think his throwing would have improved a little bit. He’s on the downside of his career, but he’s not washed up. He stayed in shape and had a good attitude. I am bewildered as well.
Hey D.J. Williams…YOU ARE CUT!
Vince Young, per the Press Gazette:
“I’ve just been taking my time”
“picking the guys’ brains”
“I’m taking my time really”
“guys definitely have been helping out”
Either he doesn’t know how to express himself accurately or articulately — and based on his Wonderlic score that could be a real possibility — or he’s just not applying himself.
Based on these statements, he’s on his own timetable and basically mooching off others.
QB is inarguably the most important position on the team. When #1 goes down, #2 becomes assumes the most important position title.
I do not think they are the same position. And in any case many teams do not have a viable solution as starter. Fewer teams have decent backups.
All of this uproar is for nothing. It’s very simple folks, if Rodgers goes down, it’s over.
I am far more concerned about whether our offensive line will grow and develop, whether our defense has made sufficient improvement.
This is just stupid. Vince Young clearly outplayed Coleman even though he only had a couple weeks to study the playbook. And it’s way too late to bring in another QB… Just stupid.
If Rodgers got hurt, i’d rather see V Y at QB vs Coleman….I’m assuming Young was signed to a non guaranteed minimum deal. Ol’ Teddy maybe going off the deep end.
Tebow has been released as well…you don’t think there is a possibility there, right? Please dear God no.
Bottom line ——> We have 1 non quality back up QB 5 days before week 1, and a bad O line for the 3rd straight year……Who’s responsibility does that fall too? That’s not how you go into week 1. No offence Teddy.
Again, most all teams with first-rate quarterbacks have inadequate backups. Yes our season is over if Rodgers goes down. This also applies to these if their starting quarterback goes down:
Probably also the Bengals
Teams with decent backup quarterbacks, to my limited knowledge, are the Lions, Redskins and possibly also the Steelers. Maybe the Texans.
Teams not mentioned either have mediocre starting quarterbacks or terrible quarterbacks (ie have a problems getting a starting quarterback).
Nothing on the O line?…That’s what I figured. E Wolf, if you bothered to correlate the back-up QB situation with a bad O line, you might get it. Please try to figure that out on your own, if you still have trouble seeing how they tie together, I will be available tomorrow from (9am-10am) and i’ll walk you through it.
I already stated that my two concerns are how the offensive line will play and whether our defense has improved. So that’s asked and answered. If our offensive line falls the way you fear it might, then the backup quarterback situation really does not matter because no one does more with less in terms of pass blocking than Aaron Rodgers.
For fuck’s sake morons like you and ESPN 540 wringing their hands for weeks on end about the backup quarterback is just silly. As I stated, it is a simple matter that needs no more elaboration than this one sentence: If Aaron Rodgers goes down, we are fucked.
Yup all of those teams have significantly better o-lines than the Packers (though the Broncos have lost their Pro-Bowl Caliber center an the Giants lost at least one lineman as well); however, one team has a significantly more fragile QB (Broncos), and 2 have QBs who like to run, which makes them significantly more susceptible to injury. These are factors that need to be taken into account.
Giants may have a decent backup, as might the Patriots, and Cassel’s an alright backup (not starter), and the Colts have Hasselbeck.
I forgot to mention the Colts. Neither the GIants nor the Patriots are going to the Super Bowl if their starter goes down, so while their backup situation may be better than ours, it is not good enough to see them through. I do not know how Hasselbeck plays now but he has to be close to 40. I do not see the Colts as Super Bowl contenders regardless.
Maybe they will bring Jordan Rodgers in for a workout.
E Wolf…If inadequate back ups are the acceptable “norm”…Wouldn’t we still have 2nd round pick Brian Brahm and Graham Harrell? E Wolf…You have to learn to do your own thinking, I may not always be around to help you.
You are a FUCKING MORON, who knows nothing other than what is provided by hindsight. Unless you went on record in real time denouncing these pics the time they were made, you have no real insight.
No one bats 1.000 in draft selection. The Polar Bear has made some great picks, made some bad ones, too. But he has made far more great picks than bad ones. And his penchant for spotting diamonds in the rough in the later rounds or as undrafted free agents is uncanny.
Name his great picks besides Rodgers and Matthews…
Sorry Wolf, but you’re wrong-Vijay’s batting average is 1.000; Hell, it’s probably 2.000, and that’s how it’ll stay for all eternity, and don’t you ever forget that, (i know you won’t because be won’t allow you to).
This is awesome! If Rodgers goes down this team is done. They are an average team at best with a great quarterback. the only brilliant move TT has made is drafting Rodgers. Everything else is subpar
Easy there big fella…..Explain how his great picks and his “penchant” for diamonds in the rough in early rounds, late rounds, or as UDFA’s has helped the O line, and the D line or back up QB’s…….More great picks than bad ones?…You may wanna replace the batteries in your calculater, or at least stop counting with your fingers.
You are beneath discussion–so fuck off. I have already explained my position to my satisfaction. Have fun second guessing with the advantage of hindsight.
Wolf…..Don’t let me anger you. I’m just 1 guy out of millions posting on the net. Don’t let me dictate your emotions. Always remember Wolf. He who angers you, controls you.
Wolf…Please keep in mind…Stating our O line has been weak for 2 years, possibly going on it’s 3rd year, when we need to protect the leagues best QB isn’t “2nd guessing”, it’s realty.
So PF4L, for your money, who is the best drafting GM in the league?
Gotta agree here. I know others do too but are afraid to speak up for fear of the wrath of Ted’s minions!
In that conversation phat, i’d have to include John Schneider, Trent Baalke, Mickey Loomis, Ozzie Newsome, Thomas Dimitroff, and Ted Thompson, (although TT is still living off of past success, this season’s success or failure will determine if his downward spiral that I’ve been proclaiming, is real or imagined.
John Schnieder!? Bo Duke himself!?!!? Only kidding ese.
I agree with you on most, except I wouldn’t say Dimitroff and Loomis are Fantastic. Neither is very good at drafting defensive players, hence the many FAs; of course getting FAs is a big part of the job. Loomis’ best FA acquisitions have been Brees, Sharper (who played well for 1 or 2 years), Sproles, and Lofton (a 2-down LB); he is a great OL drafter, indubitably, but outside of that his only very successful picks to this point are Colston and Graham. Dimitroff’s best FA acquisitions are Abraham, Gonzalez, Turner, Samuel (who I’ve always thought to be overrated), and possibly Umenyiora and Jackson; his best draft picks are Ryan, White, Weatherspoon, and Jones (who they gave up 3 years of firs-round picks for plus additional picks, the only receivers even close to remotely being worth that are Megatron, Fitz, and AJ Green).
I’ll give you that, I hesitated putting Dimitroff in there, because I thought he goes offense heavy, and ignored glaring defensive needs. With that said. He drafted heavy on defense last April snagging corners Trufant and Alford. Then drafting Goodman in the 4th. Time will tell.
well now – I find my self agreeing with WOLF – but in this case all of you will just have to wait and see the results after 16 games. I have my own theory, and as wolf and I both agree it will be the injury bug that will make a big difference.
What concerns me, is the 1st team line was getting pushed back so easily, if the O line plays poorly, and because of said poor play, Rodgers gets injured. It’s the fault of an injury, and not the O line?… Just sayin…..As far as Rodgers goes…The O line protection matters….He’s gotten through the last 2 years injury free, but keeping your fingers crossed hoping he doesn’t get killed back there, only works for so long.
Not sure what there is to be stupified about. Vince Young sucked and so he was cut.
If A-Rodge got hurt, were we going to win a game with Vince Young? Hell no. So, what would have been the sense of keeping him?