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These Guys Have Been Cut By the Packers

D.J. Williams

The Green Bay Packers have started to give guys the old heave ho in order to get down the final 53-man roster.

Here’s who’s gone and what we thing about it. We’ll updated as we hear more.

Quarterback Vince Young — this move is inexplicable to us because Young performed better than any of the other quarterbacks not named Aaron Rodgers in the preseason.

Tight end D.J. Williams — even though he was a fifth-round draft choice a few seasons ago, we predicted this earlier this offseason. The Packers have plenty of depth at tight end and Williams never produced.

Receiver Charles Johnson — he was a seventh-round pick this season, but missed most of the preseason with an injury, so basically had no chance to make an impact and that makes this move not much of a surprise.

Tight end Jake Stoneburner — he was an undrafted free agent this season, so this doesn’t come as much of a surprise. That being said, he showed some flashes in the preseason and will probably be back on the practice squad.

Running back Alex Green — gotta be honest, we didn’t see this coming either. With DuJuan Harris on injured reserve, it seemed like Green had a roster spot after working ahead of James Starks, but Ted Thompson is apparently intent on giving up on the former third round pick.

Tight end Matthew Mulligan — here was Ted Thompson’s big offseason free agent signing and supposedly the top blocking tight end on the roster, but with Jermichael Finley picking up his game, they probably don’t need him. Also, this just goes to show Thompson doesn’t know what he’s doing in free agency, just like Alex Green and D.J. Williams show he doesn’t know what he’s doing in the draft half the time either.

Cornerback Loyce Means — this guy was signed as a street free agent in the offseason and he played pretty well at times, but the Packers are loaded at cornerback, so this isn’t at all a surprise.

Tackle Andrew Datko — was a seventh-round pick a season ago and spent last year on the practice squad. He was pretty much horrible from the moment he arrived in Green Bay.

Center Patrick Lewis — another undrafted free agent this year. This move probably means Greg Van Roten will survive for another season.

Cornerback James Nixon — I’ve never even heard of this guy, so it’s probably appropriate that the Packers released him.

Receiver Myles White — another undrafted guy. White showed some flashes, but not enough to make the team. Sounds like a practice squad possibility.

Receiver Tyrone Walker — also an undrafted free agent. Walker was a standout at times and we thought he had a decent shot of making the team. Again, probably a practice squad guy.

Fullback Jonathan Amosa — also an undrafted free agent. The Packers really don’t have a need for a bunch of fullbacks like they have in the past, apparently.

Guard Garth Gerhart — this guy falls into the same category as James Nixon. Didn’t even know he was on the roster to begin with.

Linebacker Donte Savage — ditto.

Safety Chaz Powell — this dude was all over the place in the last preseason game, but the Packers are going to keep four safeties tops.

Safety David Fulton — and he will also not be one of those four safeties.

Tackle Kevin Hughes — who the hell is this guy? Someone not on the Packers roster.

Linebacker Dezman Moses — this comes as a mild surprise. Moses made the team as an undrafted free agent last season and actually showed some pass rushing ability.

Cornerback Brandon Smith — he was a converted wide receiver and flashed some potential. He also gave up three touchdowns in the final preseason game. There was really no way he was making the roster at this position.

Linebacker Terrell Manning — this is a minor surprise considering the Packers traded up to draft him just last season. Another great draft pick, Ted.

Defensive tackle Jordan Miller — another guy I’ve never heard of.

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  1. TyKo Steamboat August 31, 2013

    No surprises.

    D.J. Williams was a Mackey Award winner at Arkansas. I suppose i expected more contribution, but still not too surprised.

    1. TyKo Steamboat August 31, 2013

      *Except for V.Y.

  2. ay hombre August 31, 2013


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  3. Apeshit August 31, 2013

    John jolly welcome back!!! Stay off the purple drank bro!!!

  4. calipack August 31, 2013

    I love purple drank its the best drink out there

  5. Phatgzus August 31, 2013

    Somewhat surprised by the Mulligan, Green, and VY releases, I guess the PTB are pleased with where Quarless is at, Starks moreso than Green (Starks can at least break tackles, then again Green doesn’t fumble at least once per game) and maybe legitimately thinking about adding McKnight. VY was as bad as Coleman, though at least he can make something happen with his feet, and, as much as I dislike him, Tebow is available, has looked better than either of our backups , has the same running ability as VY without the mental infirmity, and has less of a media circus in tow than in years past (though that’s not saying much). Other than Tebow, QB options are essentially limited to Matt Leinart, Charlie Batch, and any cast-off of the Jets, quite the treasure trove.

    1. PF4L August 31, 2013

      Are we that hard up that a Packer fan is thinking it’s Tebow time in Green Bay?….Fantastic…Now, go please hit yourself in the face.

      1. Phatgzus August 31, 2013

        “Are we that hard up [for backup QBs]…? Well we just cut our prospective backup QB today, so I dunno, homie, you decide.

        I don’t like Tebow anymore than you or anyone else, believe it or not. As a person I view him to be a grandstanding religious zealot and proselytizer; as a QB I think he’s about as bad a passer as Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, a young Michael Vick, and Vince Young. This said, in much the same manner as VY, he has manages to somehow be somewhat successful on a team with a good D, he has looked decent
        this preseason, and essentially the only other obvious options would be the ancient vagabond Charlie Batch, or Matt Leinart. For my money Tebow (sans the sideshow) is better than either. Unless the Packers can find a remotely promising young QB such as the Jets’ Sims (then again they already have Coleman to fill that role), then those re their options.

        It’s easy to denigrate, PF4L, especially when you have presented no criteria for critique yourself, so please, provide us with your view/hope of the future-should we really just roll with Coleman (a QB you’ve been dismissing for the past few weeks) as our backup QB? Or perhaps we should go after the stud Seneca Wallace.

        1. tequila September 1, 2013

          To clarify, you disagree with PF4L and think Tebow (sans sideshow, like that is a real thing) is a viable option?

          1. Phatgzus September 1, 2013

            An absolutely viable option? No, a remote possibility considering the paucity of actual legitimate QBs remaining qnd his ability to run, given our o-line? Yes.
            If Rodgers goes down for 4 games or less, I would contend Tebow would provide us with the slightest chance to break .500, that is something I would not say for Coleman or any rookie FA QB, and this would only be worth it if there were no exaggerated media presence, obviously this is less likely than a scrupulous politician becoming president, just a remote possible scenario. That is essentially what I am

      2. Vijay September 1, 2013

        Nice comeback!

  6. E. Wolf August 31, 2013

    So it is now 5:30. Is this full list? Are we at 53. Will the Polar Bear add any castoffs from other teams?

  7. Phatgzus August 31, 2013

    2 more to go Wolf, unless they place them on IR or PUP.

    1. Phatgzus August 31, 2013

      Actually, I think it’s down to 1, Jordan Miller was already cut as well; if that’s the case, I have to say “Lane Taylor, come on down!”

  8. K.L. August 31, 2013

    Maybe they will give Jordan Rodgers a chance to make the team. From what I hear he has been a great work-out buddy for Aaron over the years. Not sure how good of a QB he is though.

  9. thatguy188 August 31, 2013

    Yeah, what PF4L said…. Don’t bring the preacher to GB.

    Anyways, I was hoping Walker would make the cut. He showed some great potential if you ask me (like my 2 cents really matter). Hope he’ll be on the practice squad

  10. Mike R August 31, 2013

    Please, can we stop talking about tebow. That dude is awful and I’m confident that i can throw a ball better than him. No way in hell should the Packers consider him. I am pleasantly surprised about Alex green. Thought for sure he had the job over Starks, Starks is a better back, runs hard and can find the holes. Green just runs into his linemen and can’t break a tackle. But I think that was the right call.

    1. E. Wolf August 31, 2013

      By all accounts he was better than any of our backups. I still don’t want him.

  11. Nick Perry August 31, 2013

    For a draft and develop team, the Packers just may be in trouble. From the 2011 class only Sherrod, Cobb, house and Taylor remain. I know everybody loves Ted T, I think he’s the best at managing a cap. But beyond that, I’m not so sure. We have a head case kicker, a back up QB I wouldn’t think could win a high school game, and a offensive line that is in the bottom 10 in the NFL. Did I mention the strength and conditioning coaches are the absolute worst in the NFL too?

    1. E. Wolf August 31, 2013

      I fear you might be correct about the 2011 draft.. However, our offensive might just pull through. Crosby will either produce or he will be gone.
      And as for a backup qbs, who cares. We are fucked if Rodgers goes down no matter what.

    2. Vijay September 1, 2013

      You can take Sherrod off that list in a year or less, he is likely to be medically waived/ compensated because of a botched surgery in KC when he got injured. Then Cobb is the only real find from that class. House and Taylor are career backups who can start in a pinch.

  12. Deepsky August 31, 2013

    Almost every year when the team has to cut down to the final roster, there’s at least one guy you say, man that guy seemed like he could do something. Luckily this year the whole team stunk in the preseason, so there wasn’t any shockers this year.

    1. TyKo Steamboat August 31, 2013

      Vic So’oto

  13. Tucson Packer August 31, 2013

    Alex Green; too bad.

  14. Packer Bob August 31, 2013

    “Also, this just goes to show Thompson doesn’t know what he’s doing in free agency, just like Alex Green and D.J. Williams show he doesn’t know what he’s doing in the draft half the time either.”

    I guess during the other half of the time he’s picking guys like Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, and Randall Cobb.

    1. Hank Williams Jr. Sr. III September 1, 2013

      He has had how many hundreds of picks and 3 pan out…not a good ratio.

  15. Phatgzus August 31, 2013

    At the risk of sounding like a survey response, I strongly disagree. As of yesterday the Packers still had their first 4 picks from the ’11 draft, 5 picks total, they also still have 2 UDFAs from that year on the roster (although he may be gone next season); that’s 11-13% of the roster (depending on if you don’t include Green or do, respectively) in one year. We have 7 draft picks from last year still with us (8 if Datko again makes the PS), there are also 2 UDFAs from that year on the team-1 on IR, 1 a starting RT; that amounts to about 17% of the roster. There are 7 picks from 2010 still on the team and 1 UDFA; that’s 13% of the roster.

    All these stats suggest that TT’s been quite consistent, at least in the past 3 years. Yes, some drafts will be better than others, that’s just the way of prospecting. Furthermore, numbers of players still on the roster is not the sole signifier of the quality of a draft, the quality o players remaining also plays a major role. I’d rather have an Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews than a Bulaga, Newhouse, Wilson, and Neal.

    1. Phatgzus August 31, 2013

      Make that 3 UDFAs from 2012-forgot about Harris.

    2. PF4L September 1, 2013

      Packers still have their 1st 4 picks from 2011?…..You are including Sherrod and Green…..Just because they still have the picks on the roster, doesn’t mean its a positive thing. Justin Harrell was on the roster for 4 years, while fleecing the Packers of over 8 million. Ain’t no one bragging about that.

      1. Phatgzus September 1, 2013

        1: Sherrod, 2: Worthy, 4: Daniels, 7: Taylor-those are the four players from the ’11 draft class, Green (Rd. 3 would make 5 if included).

        I agree with your statement regarding length of tenure as not ultimately (though in almost all cases, partially) indicative of ability or contribution and stated as much in the final paragraph of my prior comment.

        1. E. Wolf September 1, 2013

          Worthy was from 2012.

          1. Phatgzus September 2, 2013

            Right you are, I meant to say Cobb. I get those 2 confused all the time, you know, because they look so similar.

  16. Kozak September 1, 2013

    Maybe they can convert one of the D line guys into the O line?

  17. Mike R September 1, 2013

    I do agree partially with E. Wolf that if Rodgers gets hurt we are fucked. However, I still think a backup QB is important, and similar to Flynn in 2010, we need a guy that can give us a shot to win a game or 2 if Rodgers gets knocked out for a couple of games. A guy that can not give the game away, move the offense a little, and hopefully the rest of the team can step up to pull off a tough win or two in that situation. So I don’t think we can completely write off the importance of backup QB.

    Phatgzsus, I understand what you are saying, and maybe Tebow is better than Coleman, I really don’t know. I do know that I don’t want that circus in Green Bay, and I would be shocked if TT did. That is not the Packer way. I’m worried about Coleman too, and would rather see a veteran in that spot. If they see Coleman having some potential, another year on the practice squad would have made more sense. I’m not going to pretend to know the up to date list of FA QBs, but there are surely some other guys out there besides Tebow. Besides, I am sure Tebow will be locked in a church somewhere for the next week asking Jesus why he let him get cut.

  18. Brad September 1, 2013

    Still surprised they let VY go, he could have held things down at QB for a game or two if AR were out. I wonder if there may be a cap/financial issue here: hope for QB health through game one and THEN resign Vince so his contract isn’t guaranteed for the whole year. I can’t believe they would have Coleman riding shotgun all year long.

    1. Iltarion September 1, 2013

      If by “held things down” you mean lose every game, then yes, VY could have “held things down.”

  19. Harry Houdini September 1, 2013

    They have to get a different back up, don’t they?

  20. Apeshit September 1, 2013

    Any possibility VY gets signed after week one so they don’t have to guarantee his contract?

  21. bob at 81 September 1, 2013

    agree Brad – that may be a shot.

  22. E. Wolf September 1, 2013

    I am not saying that a backup quarterback has no importance. However, our bed has been made, so there is no reason fussing about it now. Also, there are other areas of concern that are far more important.

  23. Vijay September 1, 2013

    Jordan Miller actually outplayed Josh Boyd (a draft pick) in every preseason contest. He reminded me a lot of a fat guy Grady Jackson we had here years back. If any of you saved the preseason games on DVR, go back and watch him and Jolly wreck havoc and then watch Josh Boyd do absolutely nothing when the lights came on. This was an error in my opinion.

    As for the ENTIRE DRAFT CLASS OF 2011. I am sorry you all pretty much sucked so bad! We only kept 3 or 4 of you around but you know, Ted Thompson is the best fucking GM ever, right? So why question the almighty; Why not kneel before his greatness and accept things!? I digress.

    I recall all the “huhs?” and “whats?” during that 2011 draft when ol Teddy picked Alex Green that high…Kendall Hunter, Delone Carter, Taiwan Jones, Bilal Powell, Roy Helu all went after him. None of those guys are world beaters per se but I had my eye keenly on Kendall Hunter and Bilal Powell at the time and those guys are still productive rotation backs. So, when Ted says “uh we take the best player available” He’s just saying something blah blah blah…he doesn’t give two shits about what any of the fans think because its not his job to, but he also is not the best GM in football, not by any stretch.

    1. Iltarion September 1, 2013

      I agree that Josh Miller appeared to do enough to make the team, but I didn’t see every practice of training camp, did you?

      Well, the guys that made the decision did. I’ll acquiesce to them.

      Ah, 4 guys from the 2011 draft class are still on the roster. That is more than half the draft. So, not sure what the big issue is. Oh, and Randall Cobb is one of those 4 guys.

      By the way, the ENTIRE 2010 draft class is still on the roster. I dare anyone to find another team with another class, not counting 2013, where that is the case.

      1. PF4L September 2, 2013

        By some, Gm’s draft picks are sometimes judged by going to the pro bowl. No one in TT’s 2010 draft class, are in any danger of being in the Pro bowl.

        1. Phatgzus September 2, 2013


        2. Shawn September 2, 2013

          And a good measure it is, since the fans always vote for the best players.

          1. Phatgzus September 2, 2013

            Jeff Saturday for example. Not to mention the top choices ALWAYS attend.

  24. jakeob September 1, 2013

    I don’t understand the hate for Alex Green. He played last season at below 100%, because he was still healing from his torn ACL. The reason TT drafted him is because he is one crazy athlete. He was the first Hawai’i rusher since the 80’s to run for over 1,000 yards and he did that all by finding holes and taking off and burning the opposition. I really don’t get why Green got cut and Starks stayed, Green showed flashes this preseason of what he could potentially do and I was looking forward to Lacy and Green splitting carries. Now I want Lacy and Kuhn to split carries because Starks will either be getting hurt or fumbling it.

    I’ll also miss DJ Williams, even though he never played that great I think he would have been able to coincide with Finley as the 2TE this year. Oh well, though…