You’ve no doubt heard what happened to former Green Bay Packers safety LeRoy Butler when he expressed support for Jason Collins. As you might expect, that story has transcended the football world.
On Thursday, Butler appeared on Anderson Cooper 360. Here’s what he had to say.
Oh, and be careful. Anderson Cooper — GAY! So don’t watch this if you’re afraid any of his gayness might rub off on you.
Leroy’s a class act, no question. I had the pleasure of working with him years back when he was a player. An extremely nice, gracious person. Glad that he’s a Packer forever.
The irony is that he was going there to speak on bullying and the church said “no” because he supports a different point of view. Talk about hypocritical bullies…that’s the message the church creates–separation of people by beliefs and hatred and intolerance of others “living in sin” as they believe it to be sin. Yet, at the same time absolving themselves of any and all wrong doing by simply believing in mysticism and fantasy/ folklore…laughable.
I especially love it when I hear from a religious nut, “how do you have any morals if you don’t go to church”? Hahahaha
Your sense of morals probably came from Christianity, though you may be unaware of it. The culture around you largely determines your morality, and ours has been mostly shaped by Christians.
If you think Christianity is about hatred or intolerance, then you know nothing about it. I have never heard a Catholic priest preach hatred about ANYONE. I don’t know anyone who is more about love and tolerance than true Christians.
It is kind of funny how you sit on a fabricated moral perch of “tolerance and enlightment” and preach hatred and intolerance towards whoever has a different view than you.
Actually, many of Christianity’s views, including many of its stances on morality and ethics, were derived from the teachings of Zoroastrianism, which were acquired from older generations, including the Sumerians.
It’s true that societies influence the morality of their populations; however, in contemporary societies, particularly those of “developed nations”, there are many who acquire knowledge of other contemporaneous and ancient societies to influence their ways of thought and MOs, thus transcending the standards put forth by the socio-ethical enclave in which they live.
As for Christians being some of the most morally upstanding individuals in the world (e.g. Love and tolerance), this is true of Good Christians, i.e. those that adhere to the Ten Commandments and teachings of Jesus. However this can be said of most religions: Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Confucianism, and even Islam. There are many Good agnostics and atheists as well. Religious belief is not the determinate for good moral and ethical value, it merely provides a scaffolding one can rely on for support when facing a moral quandry, such as the one being debated over the past few days. Ultimately, moral righteousness is a quality that can only be determined by an individuals thoughts and actions, as regulated by their brain; all morality is acquired inherently (genetics influencing the potential physical constitution [i.e. glia and neuron] and neurotransmitter constitution and interaction) and from experience.
That is to say religion is not the fundamental actuator in determining moral rectitude, it is but an aid/guideline.
Your last paragraph touched on what I believe to be the preeminent issue of morality: of course issues of acceptance, tolerance, nonviolence, passivity, activity, etc. are what constitute morality, but how are we as a global society ever to live in, at the very least, peaceful disagreement if we pompously escalate ourselves above those with differing beliefs (a biased, emical stance). Humility must be practiced, we must realize that, at this stage of human intellect, there is no moral absoluteness scale that can be utilized to determine the moral value of action (even, unfortunately, the destruction of another human life is acceptable in some circumstances by the majority of the Earth’s inhabitants).
BTW, if anyone bothers to read this, I’ll give them a cookie.
aha i wanted that cookie so bad, tried to read it but failed like 4 sentences into it. That being said, Leroy is the man, class act!
There’s a certain immorality contained within the premise of moral righeousness. So that dichotomy or paradox often serves to undermine, indict and invalidate the underlying argument originally advanced.
And remember, it’s a church we’re talking about and that is its own societal snake pit.
“Your sense of morals probably came from Christianity, though you may be unaware of it. The culture around you largely determines your morality, and ours has been mostly shaped by Christians.”
The idea that without religion we’d live in some kind of morally bankrupt society is false. Morality is a biased man-made construct. The moral compass tends to point in the same direction as the person preaching it. Nature (and the universe itself) is amoral.
My point? We are all capable of good and evil. We don’t need organized religion to tell us which is which.
Also, Leroy Butler is awesome.
Well said. Also keep in mind the fact that we’re talking about the church here…an institution that has had issues with (and in many cases tried to cover up) same sex abuse of children for years. Hypocritical much?
It’s a sad day when what is supposed to be a spiritual institution that helps us better itself, resorts to this type of treatment and public condemnation of others who have done nothing wrong other than be who they are.
LeRoy’s actions speak volumes about his character and his incredible integrity. As a Green Bay native, a lifelong Packer Fan and a Gay Man, I am incredibly proud that LeRoy is speaking for the young people and for his colleagues in professional sports that feel the hate from peers and fear what being honest about who they are can cost them. He is showing the world what unconditional love and respect is about at it’s core, which I find more Christ-like than the Church’s actions.
“Oh, and be careful. Anderson Cooper — GAY! So don’t watch this if you’re afraid any of his gayness might rub off on you.”
I am guessing this quirky remark is in jest, but even this smacks of insensitivity. If sexuality were something one “catches”, I would have had a much different life. The only CHOICE in being gay is to either lie about it and pretend to be straight or to be an honest person of Integrity.
Anderson Cooper is the whitest man in America.
It is a fitting depiction of our country that no one watches Anderson or anyone on CNN anymore. Everyone watches either Fox News or MSNBC (most watch Fox News). Then everyone wonders why we are so diametrically opposed to one another.
Personally I watch the CBS Evening news as well as NBC and listen to NPR. Unfortunately, while they seem to be some of the more credible newscasts, they still have an (Liberal) agenda. Politics needs to be taken out of the news, how can the general populace, the blue-collar proletariates become truly informed when they don’t have the time/resources to delve into the actual matter, yet they are being fed half-truths and stories with contentious details?
FYI, diametrically opposed is redundant, just saying.
They gather information anecdotally, usually in small groups, where generous amounts of alcohol is used to certify the correctitude of the ideas and conclusions they reach. It remains one of the original expressions of societal group-think that still exists in the digital age, as most of the class population are negligible participants in this evolution of information dispersal through new media channels.
Scott, this site smacks of insensitivity. That’s the whole point!
Like the majority of people I could give two fucks who other people are fucking, unless she is hot. Being gay may not be a CHOICE, but putting yourself out there for ridicule is.
Check out Packers.com for a very nice and sensitive web site. Just make sure you click on the one with the green and gold G by it, the other ones get pretty GAY.
Is that true? Can his gayness really rub off on me?