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Bitterness Remains Between Rodgers And Favre

It's a real love fest.

Although both guys say the appropriate things publicly, there isn’t a real relationship between Green Bay Packers quarterback [intlink id=”25″ type=”category”]Aaron Rodgers[/intlink] and the guy he succeeded, [intlink id=”41″ type=”category”]Brett Favre[/intlink], and there may never be.

Rodgers is still at least somewhat bitter over the way Favre treated him when they were teammates and rightfully so.

Favre went out of his way to say it wasn’t his job to mentor Rodgers. Rodgers has had to answer questions about Favre at every turn.

And then there was the time Rodgers called Favre during his first unretirement. It was a call Favre never returned.

Although he’s never hinted at it publicly, a teammate who knows both men (and wished to remain anonymous), confirmed Rodgers feelings and Favre’s, well… wishy-washy nature.

“This is one of those situations where Brett can’t win,” the player said. “If he calls Aaron it looks like he’s grandstanding. If he doesn’t, he seems like he’s selfish and inconsiderate.

“I can tell you Brett wants to speak to Aaron. He really does and it’s sincere. I don’t know if they’ve spoken yet. I just know Brett wants to bury the hatchet.”


“No question. The big issue is will Aaron want to take the call. That I don’t know. The bitterness remains deep.”

The Packers will eventually welcome Favre back into the family and Favre has made some minor attempts to make amends. Rodgers’ and Favre’s paths will certainly cross in the future.

Favre should clearly make the first move. He not only needs to make amends with Rodgers, but with Packers fans. Of course, that hasn’t happened yet and maybe it never will, considering Favre’s self-centered nature.

I’m told that when the subject of ending his cold war with Rodgers is raised with Favre, Favre eventually asks, “What does Aaron think?” And I’m told that when Rodgers is asked about reconciling with Favre, Rodgers eventually asks, “What does Brett think?”

The impasse remains this simple little conundrum. Favre is concerned any attempt by him to reach out to Rodgers will be seen as manipulative, and Rodgers still hurts from the way Favre treated him when the two played together.

Personally, I don’t think Favre could look worse than he already does, so adding manipulation to his long list of sins should be the least of his worries.

But that’s not Brett Favre.

He’s never seen the big picture, on or off the field.

Monty McMahon

Monty McMahon is one of the founders of Total Packers. He is probably the most famous graduate of UW-Oshkosh next to Jim Gantner.



  1. Bill February 15, 2011

    I’m done with that fuckhead Favre – If I never here his name again it will be a good thing – I hope the packers never retire his number and give it to a kicker!

  2. Jdog February 15, 2011

    Hey….let’s not go crazy. Don’t you think a punter would be a safer starting point?

  3. PackerBaker February 15, 2011

    Favre should be a respectable human being and make amends with Rodgers, the Packers and the Fans of Green Bay. It would go along way in repairing his image but you know Favre doesn’t think anything is wrong with his image so it’ll probably never happen.

  4. Darrel February 15, 2011

    Favre should take a full page add in the GB press gazette congradulating the packers and Rodgers for the great season. If he is man enough to do that and kiss some major ass in the process then and only then let him in the packer family.

  5. jeff ircink February 15, 2011

    ….yeh, it’s ALL Favre’s fault.

    1. Lumpy Gravy February 15, 2011

      Basically, yes, it is. Explain in a coherent manner how you see Aaron as being at fault. Try to avoid unsubstantiated conjecture, if you can; if you can’t, then just go away.

  6. jeff ircink February 15, 2011

    i was referring specifically to Favre’s relationship with the Packer organization – not AR.

    and why don’t YOU go away, Lumpy? huh? i’ve never seen so many dicks on one site as this one.

    your turn…

    1. Cactus jack February 15, 2011

      you just gave yourself another reason to leave, if you don’t like the “Dicks on this site” then go away…..that simple tard.

    2. Lumpy Gravy February 15, 2011

      I won’t go away because I don’t only show up at this site to troll the Packer fans. Now what’s your excuse?

      I don’t understand why you keep coming back to antagonize the folks here, only to complain about them. If you’re so bothered by the “dicks” on this site, perhaps you should go share hygiene tips with the vaginas on the DailyNorseman and other similar Vikings sites.

    3. PackerFanInFL February 16, 2011

      Explains why Jeff Incest is still here…’dicks’…when favre texted his cock to world..noone was more excited then jeff incest (yes he fucked his grandpa)..and fucking favre is the biggest joke in green bay..good thing mr.incest is busy making gay porn elseware as he would be out of work if he ever came home.

      1. jeff ircink February 17, 2011

        another most intelligent, childish comment but Regina (PackerFanINFL).

        hey retard…for the millionth time, you were bitching about “where did I go” part way through the season. no you’re bitching i’m back. make up your mind, moron.

        “i fucked my grandpa”? wow – profound. moron.

        1. PackerFanInFL February 18, 2011

          I counted it wasn’t a millon times..it was 0 I said I don’t give a fuck about viking fans and when one Jeff ircink leaves another one takes his place (see post by favre knob shinner joe)…and the grandpa comment is amazing an true.

          I’ve made up my mind I want you to stay. I enjoy watching you make an ass out of yourself..and being embarrassed by casual lest of packer fans. But you won’t as you have no reason as its impossible to argue with a superbowl trophy..

  7. Joe February 15, 2011

    Thank God u all r not the GB brain trust!

    Lambeau – Lombardi – Joe

    Once upon a time Curly, Vince, Joe and Lorenzo were all HATED for what they did…

    …both Lambeau and Lombardi were HATED by the Green Bay Packers …hold on this ain’t no fairy tale …it is True!

    And Joe was HATED by the San Francisco 49ers!

    …At the time…while each of the events were unfolding these were some of the saddest times time in the NFL!

    …The saddest thing about Super Bowl XLV is that the Green Bay Packers want you to forget about the other guy, you know him …Brett Lorenzo Favre…

    They really do.

    But one thing history proves is that Favre is in great company maybe you’ve heard these names before in football lore?

    Ever hear of Curly Lambeau? They named an entire stadium after him in Geen Bay. “Lambeau Field” …the mere name evokes so much football history. The Packers must have loved him right?

    Ever hear of Vince Lombardi? The NFL named a trophy, no wait a minute not just any trophy, they named the Super Bowl trophy after him. “The Lombardi Trophy” …the mere name evokes so much football history. The Packers must have loved him right?

    Ever hear of Joe Montana? Yes, one of… if not the greatest ever …the mere name evokes so much football history. The Niners must have loved him right? We’ll get back to Joe.

    For the other guy, Brett Favre …towards the end of his time in Green Bay he sensed Packers executives would do what they eventually did.

    They forced Favre to retire … or else.

    Let me get back to Curly and Vince, because the proof is in the pudding:

    This is so Packer Nation-like.
    They love them,
    then they hate them,
    and then they worship them forever,
    but only after a passage of time.

    They did as much with Curly Lambeau, and he founded the franchise while excelling all the way to the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a player and as a coach for the Packers.

    The thing is, Lambeau feuded with the Packers board of directors during the early 1950s, and he was ostracized from the franchise until the combination of time, his death and future Green Bay historians led Packers officials to naming the stadium after him in the mid-1960s.

    He became a Packer legend again.

    And Vince Lombardi? From the late 1950s through most of the 1960s, he WAS the Packers while grabbing five world championships, including victories in the first two Super Bowls.

    After Lombardi retired as coach, he became the Packers’ general manager for a year, but then he did the unthinkable. He left to take over the Washington Redskins. He was considered a traitor in Wisconsin. He eventually died at 57 in 1970 of cancer, and that’s when all was forgiven throughout the Frozen Tundra (“Lambeau Field”).

    He became a Packer legend again.

    Favre will, too, but not for a while.

    Unfortunately, Packers No Longer Care About Brett Favre.

    “All of the people, they’re moving on. They’re just excited about No. 12,” said Packers offensive guard Daryn Colledge, referring to Aaron Rodgers, now the people’s choice in Green Bay at quarterback — as opposed to Brett Favre, the other guy, who was No. 4 before a nasty ending in 2008 to his 16-year career with the Packers.

    That’s why, when you mention Favre these days, you get a bunch of contradictory responses from his old locker room.

    On the one hand, Packers wide receiver Donald Driver said this about the other guy who was his teammate of nearly a decade: “I mean, he’s one of the best ever to play this game. He’s a true Hall of Famer.” Then on the other, Driver said, “But you’re always going to be able to have somebody who can come in and fill your shoes.”

    Somebody who can fill Favre’s shoes?


    While the other guy took the Packers to two Super Bowls and won one of them, Rodgers will play for a world championship for the first time. And, yes, Rodgers has splendid numbers during his three seasons as the Packers’ starter, but he isn’t within several bombs of matching the other guy’s three NFL MVP awards, 11 Pro Bowl trips and numerous team and league records.

    Rodgers might get there, but he isn’t there yet.

    Favre’s comebacks from retirement, and among them was a 2009 signing with the Minnesota Vikings. Just so you know, Packer fans respect the Chicago Bears, but they despise that other team from the old Black-and-Blue Division not named the Detroit Lions.

    Rodgers began flashing signs of evolving into one of the NFL’s premier players. And, suddenly, Rodgers was hugged tightly around Green Bay, and Favre was the other guy — or worse.

    So Packers president Mark Murphy telling the national and international media the other day that he “envisions” Favre with a role in the organization at some point deserves a few yawns.

    No matter what Packer executives say, you just know they want all of the quarterback talk involving their present and their future to center on Rodgers, their extraordinary passer with nifty feet.

    Sound familiar, what about Joe Montana he never played for Green Bay?

    No he did not but with history…we’re back to Favre versus Rodgers. It’s a poor man’s version of Joe Montana versus Steve Young, when the former was pushed toward an abrupt exit from the San Francisco 49ers after years of stardom to give his promising backup an “extraordinary passer with nifty feet” a chance.

    Yes, that was an echo.

    As was the case with Favre in Green Bay, Montana looked Hall of Fame bound forever in San Francisco, and so did Young.

    I told you I’d get back to Joe, see the similarities?

    Well, Rodgers remains a work in progress regarding Canton, but only time will tell. Montana and Young they are both there. If your truly a Packer fan, just like Lambeau and Lombardi who are also in Canton, surely we would want the other guy there too and as a Green Bay Packer.

    Just like Montana – Young and Favre – Rodgers …history has this uncanny way of repeating, Mr. Rodgers needs to remember that (lest one day he becomes the “other guy”) just ask Curly, Vince, Joe and Brett.

    1. david February 15, 2011

      Joe, WOW, excellent post. I hope someday all the shenanigans that Thompson and McCarthy pulled on Brett will become public knowledge and everyone can then have “the other side of the story” to consider.

      1. Cactus jack February 15, 2011

        Like being lied too and getting tangled in the Favre Meltdown?

        How’d that work out for the Vikings by the way?

    2. Cactus jack February 15, 2011

      you are the biggest dumbass in the history of this site…..go build more billboards for lord favre and jerk off in the bushes with Peter King.

  8. iltarion February 15, 2011

    Actually, Joe’s post is idiotic. Curly Lambeau and Vince Lombardi were never “hated” by Packer Nation. Sorry. That is a complete rewrite of history.

    Did Lambeau want to own the team himself and have disagreements with the BoD? Of course. Was he criticized? Yes.

    Did he and Vince Lombardi have difficulty living in each other’s shadow? Yes. Talk about two big fish in a small bowl.

    Was Lombardi sometimes criticized as a tyrant in the media? Hell yes. Were people shocked and maybe upset when he left for Washington? Of course.

    But HATE? Get real. Everyone gets criticized. Everyone has their disagreements. But it is the FANS that make up Packer Nation, and the fans have always revered both these guys. Lombardi went to Washington for one year and then died of cancer. No one hated him for that. That notion is completely idiotic.

    Joe Montana was never hated by the 49ers; so I’m not sure what he has to do with anything, other than the obvious Favre-to-Rodgers transition, which is actually a different topic altogether. BTW, some HUGE differences there, Montana never retired from the 49ers in a tearful ceremony. Favre did. Montana did not then go play for the Los Angeles Rams. Also, Montana was only a couple years removed from winning a Super Bowl as the 49ers QB. Favre was 11 years from having done that. Lastly, Rodgers resembles Montana more than Young. Young was left handed and had mediocre arm strength. He was an amazing scrambler, however. Saying he had “nifty feet” is like saying Michael Vick does. No, he was a GREAT runner. Montana was a very good athlete, nifty feet, who could get out of the pocket or run when he had to. He had just above average arm strength, but his greatest asset was his coolness under pressure and his great decision making. Sound like an echo?

    David, the entire Favre v. Packers is available for you in the ESPN archives, thanks to their 24 hour news cycle. I advise you refer to it if you want the whole story. It is there. There are no “shenanigans” or whatever else you are hoping for, waiting to be uncovered. All you have to do is actually pay attention.

  9. BB February 15, 2011

    Yeah, it’s all Brett Favre’s fault, because we all know it was Favre’s decision to draft a QB in the first round. God knows, when you want Brett Favre as your quaterback, the first thing you should do is draft a quarterback in the first round and dismantle the whole team. Thompson created a ticking time bomb the moment he drafted Rodgers.

    1. iltarion February 15, 2011

      Yeah, Favre contemplating retirement every year had nothing to do with that.

    2. Cactus jack February 15, 2011

      yeah we sure failed on that….you know, by drafting Aaron Rodgers and Nick Collins and getting rid of Seflish Blowhards like Sharper and Brett.

    3. BuddyXLV February 16, 2011

      BB “Butt Banger” it’s such a time bomb to win the Superbowl. Pea brain!

  10. iltarion February 15, 2011

    BTW, players go into Canton as individuals. They don’t have to represent any particular organization. So, all the talk of Brett going into Canton as a Packer is pretty pointless.

  11. Joe February 15, 2011

    Thank you David,
    can’t take all of the credit,
    a lot of that is from an excellent article I read.

    I have the Highest regard for GM/TT, Coaches/MM, Team/AR and GB Fans!
    As I did/do for Lombardi/Coaches and Ron Wolf!

    I’d love to hear Ron Wolf’s take on all of this:
    he hand picked BF when Wolf was still with the Jets.
    Wolf/Jets were the next pick but Falcons got BF, one pick ahead of them!
    so when Wolf went to to GB,
    he worked his magic to get BF and the rest is History!

    And TT recently gave praise for doing things “the Ron Wolf way”!!

    So both TT & BF are part of the Ron Wolf way!

    I read when BF went to the Jets,
    Wolf stated at that time that BF was still one of the Great QB’s in the 2008 season,
    we all know how he did in 2009 and at the age of 39 and 40!

    Vikes beat GB twice in 09!

    Even in 2010 BF broke records that were 42 and 35 years old!

    Keep in mind one of those records was older then BF, 42 that is, he’s 41!

    So hats off to RW & TT, since TT is doing it Wolf’s way…ha!

    By doing it the Ron Wolf way, GB got BF and many a Great player,
    and now GB also got AR and many a Great player.

    Its a positive cycle doing it Ron Wolf’s way!

    I’ve always been a Big BF Fan,
    but after the fiasco there in GB,
    I became a Huge BF Fan,
    mainly because the “media’ continually trashed him,
    and not in a fair or balanced way either.

    I never disliked, TT and company for what happened,
    but never liked how it happened either.

    Right now, don’t pit BF against AR or TT or GB or anyone!
    Let him retire with GB and move on.

    Just like they allowed Montana!

    Sadly, Lambeau and Lombardi, might not have had that chance because they both died!

    Give BF that chance!

    BF, a Great one!

    AR, already showing Greatness!

    Even if GB does not get in the play-offs, they almost did not make it,
    AR has been showing very positive signs.

    No Doubt, Mr. Rodgers is a Great one!
    If he stays healthy,
    he may have some more SB’s, MVP’s, etc.

    keep in mind, Dan Marino, went once and Never went back,
    its a Team thing, you r only as good as your Team/Coaches/Fans!

    as Great as Brady and Manning are, the right pressure, they both lost,
    the Stars aligned for GB,
    a lot of woulda’ coulda’ shoulda’,
    Eagles lose to NY,
    NY in, GB out,
    but Eagles beat NY,
    so GB got in as wildcard
    Eagles almost had GB but lost
    Falcons kind of had a surge against them but lost to GB
    Bears were almost there but lost to GB
    Steelers came within 3 pts down in 4th quarter

    if you recall weeks back I advised that GB was a dangerous team
    mainly because as a team the were hot and so was Rogers,

    They may go back another 3 to 7 times, you never know?
    They have a Very Good Young Team!

    Also, the earlier post, part of the point was, Montana, who had MVPs, Pro-Bowls, records, 4 Super Bowls & SB MVP’s too..was let go, keep in mind, not even Lombardi stayed in GB, he left, as did Lambeau,
    Lambeau went on to coach
    Their hated rival
    and also the Redskins!
    Lombardi also lft to coach the Redskins!
    Also great players Left GB
    Herb Adderly,
    Forrest Gregg,
    Jim Taylor,
    Reggie White,
    Dorsey Levens,
    James Lofton,
    Ahman Green,
    Ted Hendricks,
    Jan Stenerud,
    Jim Ringo,

    and other greats Rice, Emmitt, Unitas, Namath, Willie Mays, Dickerson, LT, Ditka, MJ, Wilt, Kareem, LeBron lft their teams, to name a few

    What the writer is saying u r loved “today” but down the road just ask Lambeau, Lombardi, Montana & Favre

    If u recall sports writers were sayin’ Nobody would break Unitas’ passing records
    Then came Tarkenton sports writers were sayin’ Nobody would break Tarkenton’s passing records
    Then came Marino sports writers were sayin’ Nobody would break Marino’s passing records
    Favre holds just about all the records
    Manning may break some
    Rodgers may too?
    Only time will tell

    Thanks again!

    1. Cody February 15, 2011

      STOP USING EXCLAMATION POINTS YOU GOD DAMN BABOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. Lumpy Gravy February 15, 2011

        Kind of ironic, but I have to agree – the formatting of this individual’s posts is repulsive.

  12. Joe February 15, 2011

    listen…. i dont know who this joe faggot is but you need to change your name because I am the only joe here, buddy

  13. Kendra February 15, 2011

    I’m not quite sure what “shenanigans” people expect to be uncovered. Brett Favre was many things but a paragon of discretion he was not. Had the Packers organization done something particularly egregious, I have no doubt he would’ve spilled the beans.

    No, it was mostly perception on his part. Perception that because they drafted a new QB, he wasn’t wanted anymore even though it made sense for a new GM to plan for the future when his QB didn’t sound certain. Perception that because TT didn’t go out for free agents, he had no interest in developing a SB team with Favre at the helm even though that’s exactly what kind of team they had in 2007 if not for one poorly timed interception.

    The one perception I do think was accurate was that he was bigger than the team at that point. He was the strongest tie to the 1997 SB win and there was absolutely nothing MM or TT could have done about that even if they wanted to. Their biggest crime was wanting decisiveness from their QB so they could focus on building th 2008 TEAM. Even if they wanted him gone, all Brett had to do was let it be known publicly that he wanted to play and not retire. He didn’t. He retired. His miscalculation is that he could still be bigger than the team once he had let the team go.

    He was wrong.

    Brett has disappointed me but I don’t hate him. One thing I always rail against, however, is the idea that he was railroaded or had no choice. That’s simply not true. He made his choices and he has to live with them. I actually think reconciliation wouldn’t be that hard if Favre chose to exhibit decisiveness and a bit of insight on how his perception may have been off. I am not quite sure he’s capable of that at this time, however.

    Sorry for the tangent inspired by some previous comments. I actually just wanted to comment on the “article” which I have a difficult time buying. Am I to believe that there is someone who is close enough to both Aaron and Brett that he/she knows their feelings and yet can’t navigate a peace process? Not only can this person not do this but they have enough time to speak anonymously to some reporter and make both men sound like they’re in middle school?

    Ultimately, if Brett wanted to reach out, I think Aaron would take the call. I don’t know how Aaron personally feels about Brett but I know he doesn’t want to be “that” guy. I don’t see him standing in the way of a reconciliation between the organization and this QB. Regardless of his personal feelings, one thing he tends to have over Brett is better perception. He wants to continue to be perceived as the bigger man and he knows how to get it done even if it means swallowing any alleged bitterness.

  14. Shannon February 15, 2011

    Here’s a question for those who think Brett should take out an ad or call AR to congratulate him on the SB win.

    Do you think if Brett had taken the Vikings to the SB and won it in 2009, that AR or anyone from the Packers would’ve called him and congratulated him? Of course they wouldn’t. Maybe some of Brett’s friends like DD would’ve congratulated him privately, but no way would AR have called him. Nor would anyone here be saying AR needed to call him to congratulate him. So why should it be any different when AR wins it instead?

    Brett picked the team to win it and said AR was the best QB playing and was very complimentary of the team. But that’s not good enough. He’s supposed to take out an ad or call AR and congratulate him. Shoot, when Brett picked the team to win, some fans said he was trying to put pressure on AR or jinx the team. Now you all want him to congratulate the team he was supposedly trying to jinx.

    In the end, whatever the relationship is between AR and Brett, that’s between them and nobody else. IMO

    1. iltarion February 15, 2011

      Great post, Shannon. I think I speak for most Packer fans when I say I could not care less if Favre calls A-Rodge or not.

    2. toolkien March 30, 2011

      Shannon, the assumption that Favre should make the first overture is predicated on that Favre wants to be accepted back into the family. Rodgers or the franchise wouldn’t have been looking to be accepted back into anything.

      It stands that Favre burned his Packers legacy, no one took it from him, and if wants to capitalize on his legacy HE needs to make the first move and do it in as public a way as he did with his side of the “divorce”. If Favre has no interest in being accepted back into the family, and chooses to stay down in Mississippi as a retiree, more power to him and to the franchise. But if the assumption is he wants back in, then he needs to display some contrition for his behavior. He was nearly fully in the wrong.

      The Packers owe him nothing, contrary to populist belief (I use populist on purpose). Favre owes the majority of who he is in the NFL to the Packers. Favre had very good inate talents and physique, the talent was barely NFL caliber without the assistance of others (namely Holmgren) and the physique he supplied and it stood him in good stead. But it was the Packers who retrieved him from obscurity off Atlanta’s third string, it was the Packers who tolerated his inability to progress having a robust 78 QB rating and should have been benched for Brunell (his third chance), and, fourthly, stuck by him even as he repaid the previous chances with a raging vicodin addiction.

      And so with a team in ’96 filled abundantly with talent, assembled by Ron Wolf (and an assistant Ted Thompson to some degree) the PACKERS won a Super Bowl, and the NFL and the bar stool dwellers sought to make a Legend out of Favre and all the negatives were stripped from the narrative. And BRETT FAVRE, SUPER QB was born. And it was never given a rest. By the time Holmgren and White moved on the ledger between the Pack and Favre was at the very least EVEN and volume I of the Packer-Favre story came to a reasonably satisfying close.

      After the one year Rhodes debacle, volume II opened up, and while the Packers weren’t great, they had some good to very good teams. But Favre didn’t want to put the work in to be excellent. And Sherman let it slide. And Favre got used to the preferential treatments. And the Packers slid inexorably downward. And Ted Thompson was recalled from being Holmgren’s right hand personnel guy and the Packer fortunes returned. But not Brett’s way. His blue-print revolved around turning the Packers into the 1986 Dolphins for the last “big push” HE was owed.

      And this is the watershed. The Packers OWED him NOTHING. This is something he just couldn’t process. He had had a decade plus of press clippings which PROVED he was BRETT FAVRE, SUPER QB even though the actual outputs were, while at times very good in low pressure situations, not anywhere near worthy of the “if he goes, I go” and “trade me” comments. FAVRE OWED THE PACKERS, not the other way around, and if the toll was too high, then he needed to move on. But he didn’t want his legacy ruined and he wanted to send the Packers a message that HE WAS OWED consideration. They begged to differ and they moved on. This caught Favre off guard as he fully expected the “beg and plead” treatment which wasn’t forthcoming. This, coupled with Favre’s own statment that the rupture with the team occured when Thompson drafted two QB’s and “closed the door on me”.

      So the long and the short of it was Favre miscalculated his own worth. He resented that he wasn’t held to the same standard in others’ eyes so he decided to play games and “retire” which wasn’t any such thing. He then set about trashing the organization through family and friends and then through the media, endeavoring to get his way to the Vikings to purposefully “stick it” to his team (this he has said as well, the “sticking it” part anyway). He set about this course fairly early on, probably just after the “door was closed on him” while he was in “retirement”. If there was anything clandestine on the Packer side of the fence, I think they were simply tired of the waffling from a guy who didn’t display the effort necessary to be elite and who was throwing too many tantrums for what he was actually bringing to the table. And this bore fruit while Favre was with the Vikings as he did what he had been doing for a decade with the Packers – playing fine football in the regular season to only have it rest on his making sound decisions. Not having worked hard enough to be an elite decision maker, he failed.

  15. Cactus jack February 15, 2011


    Joe, WOW, excellent post. I hope someday all the shenanigans that Thompson and McCarthy pulled on Brett will become public knowledge and everyone can then have “the other side of the story” to consider.

    like using two draft picks on qbs to back up rodgers only to find out that Brett was coming out of retirement?….in other words, please learn to STFU

  16. iltarion February 15, 2011

    Congrats, (I guess), to Joe for the longest posts of all time. Anyone who makes me look pithy is a welcome addition.

    I told my wife and mother that I was done criticizing Brett Favre (or the more rare, defending him) after we won the Super Bowl. With a Super Bowl victory under A-Rodge’s belt, I felt Favre discussions were as relevant as talking about Bart Starr. They are in the past, and as such, we are all better off as Packer Nation, putting it all behind us.

    However, I can’t resist one last salvo, of course.

    So, to ALL Packer fans, the Favre lovers and haters, lest you ever forget, I have to remind you all of one thing:

    The Brett Favre fans said-

    TT should be fired.
    MM should be fired.
    That Mark Murphy, TT, and MM were the “three stooges.”
    We would never win under TT.
    We would never win under MM.
    TT didn’t care about winning.
    MM was a moron that only got to the 07 Championship game thanks to Brett Favre.
    Aaron Rodgers would never make it through 4 games.
    Aaron Rodgers would never make it through a season.
    A-Rodge would never amount to anything.
    A-Rodge would never win a game late.
    A-Rodge would never win a big game.
    A-Rodge would never win a playoff game.
    A-Rodge would never win a Super Bowl.

    And of course, we would lose for another 30 years, like before Brett Favre, because we traded away Brett Favre.

    Sorry, this is all the truth. Lets not forget.

    In the words of Rah from “Platoon” – Yeah, you were wrong. The problem is you aint never been right, about NOTHING!


  17. Drew February 15, 2011

    The real comedy in all of this is the fact that Favre’s entire purpose of living for the last 3 years was to stick it to Green Bay, whether it was by playing for Minnesota to beat GB, or like this season when he forced himself back into the lineup just to tank a late season game vs Chicago and then give Julius Peppers his blessing. F&ck off Brett. Enjoy this delicious sh@tburger courtesy of the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Packers…

  18. Joe "Daddy" February 16, 2011

    I guess my foist question to all you Lorenzo “haters” on this site……how many of you were alive in the 50’s?
    second, how many of you played “pro” sports, specifically football?
    third, or coached at “any” level?

    answer these 3 in yer next response?


    Here’s that “echo”……

    how’d ya put it in yer response?
    “…That is a complete rewrite of history…”

    rewrite “this”…..”buddy”…..


    February 1, 1950 (shoulda’ sent u this on the first of Feb!!!! 2/1/11) marked the end of a significant chapter in Green Bay Packers history as Earl “Curly” Lambeau resigned after being the team’s only head coach. It was the end of a sometimes tumultuous and often successful reign that was undermined by the need for Lambeau to cede more and more control of the team he had founded due to financial considerations.

    (yep….this was a cozy little deal..cue “Kumbaya”..in the background)

    In the 1930s, the Packers regularly contended in the NFL’s Western Division and won three more championships in 1936, ’39, and ’44.

    (HOWEVER)…Off the field, the franchise still faced recurring financial difficulties. The situation became more acute after 1945 – The colorful and excitable Lambeau was increasingly in conflict with the directors who ran the club, especially after buying the Rockwood Lodge outside of town in ’47, a training facility where the players were also housed. Moving the players out of town rankled, and there were complaints that Lambeau’s outside activities were interfering with his coaching duties.

    The financial situation was once again so desperate in 1949 … The Packers went 2-10 and the CONFLICT between Lambeau and the team’s directors reached the BREAKING POINT. A week before his resignation, the Rockwood Lodge was burned down, a symbol of the coming break between founding coach and franchise. ( “burned down” huh…was that a kawinkdink??!!)

    The team’s directors wasted NO time in replacing Lambeau…..!!!

    Lambeau also wasted NO time in moving on, taking over as head coach of the Chicago Cardinals for the 1950 season.

    (cue “Sweet Home Chicago”)

    The bitterness that marked his departure from Green Bay and the mediocre showings with the Cardinals and Redskins can’t overshadow what Lambeau accomplished with the Packers.


    (IRONIC) While Lambeau expressed an interest in returning to coach the Packers in 1959, the directors didn’t take the idea seriously and hired an upstart named Vincent Lombardi instead……
    (whoaa makes ya tinglely all over….)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    hey you “tough” guys……if y’all can dish it out y’all better be able to take it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    “baboon” my ASS!!!!

    Yo…”I am the only joe here”….then that must make me “Yo Daddy” beeacchh!!!!



  19. Joe February 16, 2011

    Per all the previous posts…….
    “…deja vu all over again..”

    Meebee…ur right “hate” is to strong a word…
    They just had a “tiff”??!!

    Imagine if todays “media”, “espn archives” were walkin’ point on this one, eehh…can u smell it….?

    Someone “cut the cheesse”!!!!

  20. Ceallaigh February 16, 2011

    I can’t believe some of you are still moaning that TT is to blame for this whole fiasco because he “shoved Favre out” or whatever the verbiagef was by having the cojones to draft his replacment, thus setting into motion the end of times! Wasn’t it commonplace to draft your future QB, develop him for a few years before handing over the reins instead of the newer trend of starting one fresh out of the draft?

    Come on, the guy was in the twilight of his career when Rodgers was drafted. How many premier QBs play into their forties? It was a sound move by Thompson. Couple that with the yearly verions of As the Favre Turns on the will he/wont he debate, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that the Packers needed to start thinking about the future.

    As for the drama, the only one to blame is Lorenzo.

    He is the one that publicly announced that he was retiring. Rewatching the video of that, I’m pretty certain no one was holding a gun to his head during that press conference. He is the one that stayed retired when the Packer front office double checked and asked, “are you really sure?” And Lorenzo is the one that had a complete cow that he was not extended an engraved invitation when training camp started and he wasn’t sent an engraved invitation.

    He is also the one that has admitted that it was more personal than business when he went on the record that he wanted to play for the Vikings so he could stick it to the Packer organization. That same guy is also the same person that as recently as the beginning of the year told Julius Peppers he wanted the Bears to knock the Packers out the playoffs before they even started.

    I’m sorry but I don’t trust or accept his attempts at jumping on the bandwagon as of late. It smells of hidden agendas and a pathetic attempt at keeping that ever-shrinking shadow cast over 1265 Lombardi Avenue.

    I don’t deny what Favre gave to the Packers during his tenure there, but in the end he became a petty and vindictive caricature of his former self. It wasn’t about the football like that hayseed persona always said. In the end it was about Brett Favre.

    Sure, in 2009 the Vikings got the Favre that the Packer Nation loved about him–a chance at the Superbowl and a meteoric season. But in 2010 the Vikings also got what the Packers were trying to avoid–a player that is well beyond his expiration date who was more of a liability than an asset.

    Brett Favre is hardly the wronged party in this whole mess. If he wants to point fingers at who is to blame, he needs to start by looking in the mirror.

    As for Rodgers, only he knows how Favre treated him. I have this sneaking suspicion that he is not nearly as petty and vindictive as Favre. But as this anonymous player (hello, Donald, how’s the ankle?) is hopeful for a reconciliation, he also needs to realize that Rodgers had already tried to reach out to Lorenzo only to be ignored. If there is to be any meaningful and mature dialog, then Favre needs to be the one extending an olive branch.

    yeah, he’s trying to keep his shadow cast over Lambeau Field, but since Aaron Rodgers is hardly a groundhog, I seriously doubt he gives a toss about shadows at this point. Lorenzo and his latest batch of dramacakes just aren’t worth it.

    I’ll be willing to retire Favre’s #4 sometime between Rodgers’ induction into Canton and when hell freezes over.

  21. BuddyXLV February 16, 2011

    I have the right as an American citizen and a Packer fan to dislike what I want. I disliked Favre because he played for the team that I dislike, the Vikings. When he played for the Jets I could have cared less. Again I dislike the Vikings, I do not like one player on that team and I can stand a small handful of Viking fans for the simple fact that they don’t have an ounce of humility. So any dick hole Favre fan/ Viking fan can kiss my ass because simply I don’t fucking like you!

    1. Joe "Daddy" February 16, 2011

      did u dislike “Lambeau” when he went to coach “Chicago” and the “Redskins’

      did u dislike “Lombardi” when he went to coach the “Redskins”

      … Or where you too young?

      just wonderin’?

  22. Joe Daddy's Daddy February 17, 2011

    Joe Daddy is a fuckwad Farve apologist who should remain a faithful Vikings fan like you knew you were. People who cheer for players are like people who have 2 favorite teams (unless you have a relative or friend who actually played in the NFL)…fucking idiots who pretend to know someting! I don’t want/need your congratulations to TT/MM. You jumped off when your boy who could do no wrong left the station.

    I can’t wait when we say BF was the guy who played in-betwen Bart and ARoge. Sorry I loved BF as much as the next guy but he was an egomainiac in crunch time ala throwing a pick 6 to Tracy Porter in his last meaningful game.

    On a side note- who really gives a shit if those two talk…when I was 27 I certainly wouldn’t talk to an old fuck 41 year old man either….I was too busy chasin pussy….sound like an echo?

    1. Joe "Daddy" February 19, 2011

      ECHO “THIS”…..PUNK!

      Quoting “DJ” below:

      “This whole argument is pretty useless because the reality is that both sides are right … But do we still owe Farve his due for being the centerpiece for 15 seasons of winning including one World Championship, two Super Bowl trips, four NFC championship games, and 8 division titles?
      Hell Yes we do.
      Obviously, it was a bitter split but even all that drama dont erase what happened on the field….and when you consider his entire body of work in GB….atleast for me…its easier now to turn the other cheek. Rodgers is my guy, for sure.
      But I havent forgotten that #4 used to be.
      And if Lombardi can be immortalized as a Packer when he died a Redskin….then I dont see why #4 shouldnt be either.
      I hope we sign him and he retires a Packer.

      Also re: your comments:
      Joe Daddy is a fuckwad Farve apologist who should remain a faithful Vikings fan like you knew you were.

      People who cheer for players are like people who have 2 favorite teams (unless you have a relative or friend who actually played in the NFL)

      …fucking idiots who pretend to know someting! U MEAN LIKE U….TELL ME WHAT THE HELL DO YOU KNOW?

      I don’t want/need your congratulations to TT/MM.

      You jumped off when your boy who could do no wrong left the station.

      I can’t wait when we say BF was the guy who played in-betwen Bart and ARoge.

      Sorry I loved BF as much as the next guy

      but he was an egomainiac in crunch time ala throwing a pick 6 to Tracy Porter in his last meaningful game.

      On a side note- who really gives a shit if those two talk…when I was 27 I certainly wouldn’t talk to an old fuck 41 year old man either….I sound Like an echo?
      “Sorry I loved BF as much as the next guy”…


  23. DJ February 18, 2011

    This whole argument is pretty useless because the reality is that both sides are right. Would we be World Champions if Farve was still here? Hell No. Did the Packers make the right decision moving on? Hell Yes. Did Farve bring that upon himself with all his diva like posturing? Hell Yes. But do we still owe Farve his due for being the centerpiece for 15 seasons of winning including one World Championship, two Super Bowl trips, four NFC championship games, and 8 division titles? Hell Yes we do. Obviously, it was a bitter split but even all that drama dont erase what happened on the field….and when you consider his entire body of work in GB….atleast for me…its easier now to turn the other cheek. Rodgers is my guy, for sure. But I havent forgotten that #4 used to be. And if Lombardi can be immortalized as a Packer when he died a Redskin….then I dont see why #4 shouldnt be either. I hope we sign him and he retires a Packer.

    1. Joe "Daddy" February 19, 2011


    2. toolkien March 30, 2011

      We don’t OWE Favre anything. He owed US. I am firmly convinced that the Packers would have won a Super Bowl between 1994 and 1998 with Mark Brunell, as good as the team was and as close as Brunell and Favre were in overall talent, it certainly is not a stretch.

      People need to realize this once and for all. The Franchise owes where it is to BOB HARLAN if it owes it to anybody. I realize it’s not as sexy as Favre but it’s the truth. Wolf was offered the GM job in 1987, but the Packers were essentially too unattractive. Harlan, in two years after taking over the presidency in 1989, changed all that. And without Wolf we don’t get Holmgren or Favre.

      And Wolf and Holmgren could identify talent and shape it. Brunell and Hasselbeck came through the franchise as well. Favre was one of a few who could have gotten us at least one Super Bowl in sixteen years. But NONE of this happens without Harlan changing the philosophy of the franchise at the top.

  24. Joe Daddy's Daddy February 25, 2011

    Your still a punk bitch Favre vage licker….have it your way. You want it both ways…love Farve/hate the front office and the Packers, love Rodgers and the Packers when they win the Super Bowl and they we’re right/still lick Farve’s vage…have it your way. Your a douche and everyone with a brain knows it!

    I could’ve used all caps but I choose not to annoy everyone else who posts. I ain’t mad at cha (not that you give a shit or I would if you we’re at me)…I just think your view point sucks male asspipe!

    Peace to you as well!

  25. Randy R March 5, 2011

    One poster said no one could fill favre’s shoes…I have to agree with that, NO ONE, will ever break his Interception record(377) and fumbles(177) Now, Brett won 2 1/2 MVP’s, and 1 S B. Of course, that was 14 years ago.

    With that said, Brett and his Packer teams could have won 1-3 more S B’s. why didnt they?..(2001) NFC Champ. Game..6 picks, yes I said 6, hard to win. Eagles(2004) Threw pick late in game to give eagles the ball, thus creating the famed 4th and 26. Packers out of playoffs.

    2007 NfC Chanp. Game, last pass of the game, Yes, an interception, no S B appearence.

    2008 NFC CHAMP Game(Jets), last pick of the game, yep, you guessed it, interception, no S B appearence.

    2009 NFC Champ. Game.(Vikes) Score tied, 12 seconds too go, yep, you guessed it, interception, No S B appearence.

    Point being, he was a choker, and he was careless in his career about chucking up passes to (whoever catches it).

    These facts are undisputable. Brett fave isnt going to the H O F based on 1 S B win and his Playoff record. He’s going to the H O F based on his longevity and Passing yards, not because he was a winner. The hard truth be told, in his total body of work, he was a loser. But he lasted, he was tough. He was exciting to watch (good or bad). As far as Passing skills, he was careless, and Aaron has some more years he has to keep doing what he’s doing, but so far, Brett cant touch Aaron on passing skills alone, Aaron is one of the most pin point accurate passers ive had the pleasure to watch…OUT

  26. Randy R March 5, 2011

    For anyone that dislikes TT for drafting Rodgers, ted is the GM, his job is to field a competitive team, right? So you have a QB talking about retirement, Since afte they won the S B in 97. yes, retirement talk actuaslly went back that far and was a discussion every year since, so brett is approaching 37 years old and retirement talk is heavy. So what should TT do? Wait untill Brett actually does retire, THEN find a QB. If he didnt find a QB, he should have been fired for not preparing for Favre’s retirement, He cant win with some of you Favre kool aid drinkers, but guess what, he did the right, and only thing he could do, and if that hurt Bretts feelings, thats too damn bad, hence why Brett didnt like TT, he felt disrepected, instead of feeling like TT is preparing for when brett retired (selfish) Then the personel decisions, Brett wanted TT to hire Steve Marricci, Brett didnt get his way, then Brett wanted Ted to sign Randy Moss, Brett didnt get his way. For whatever reason, Brett thought he was in charge of making final Personel decisions. To put it in simpler terms, Brett thought no one in Green Bay was bigger than him, including the team. So he finally retired in 08, but wait, more drama, he wants to come back, Mike and Ted said ok, but you have to compete with Rodgers for starting job, brett again felt disrespected, and took his marbles and left(did brett know how good Aaron was?, i’m thinking so)

  27. Randy R March 5, 2011

    But with all that, i wouldnt mind having back in the fold, and having brett retire a Packer (at some point) But for that to happen, i think HE needs to reach out to the Packers, but that would only happen if he ever “grows up” 1st he should probably repair his relationship with his wife, i’m sure she felt about 2 inches tall after the texting story came out, personally, i think she should have grabbed 1/2 his money and left. What is with this guy?..he’s like a constant train wreck.

  28. Pack66 December 11, 2011

    Fuck Aaron Rodgers…the little pussy boy…

    He was given everything….Favre had SHIT to work with in Green Bay for years..and that includes the FANS…

    I hate the fucking Packers for what they did to Favre, and I loved the Packers since the ’60s…long before Favre was around..

    They are a CLASSLESS organization…

  29. 4884football March 8, 2012


    It looks like the last post to this is dated, so to be honest I am responding to something dated. My bias is that I am a Packer fan, and will always be. What I would like to say is more of an opinion, but my credIbility is I have played the game for 12+ years via pop Warner through college.

    There is really not a reason to give a lot of specifics besides Favre gave Green Bay a lot of memories. When he went elsewhere it was not his decision, but rather a management decision which has turned out to be a great investment. It’s business, Favre wanted to come back so why as fans should we be negative towards him? He wanted to play. The big thing is as Packer fans we need to stand up and give Favre respect for what he has done for the organization, as he deserves it. I want to make sure when his number is retired fans will cheer loud, and give him a Hall of Fame respectful close. If anyone does something different they probably have never played the game which shows disrespect. Basically Favre is a legend Packer, and he should go down as one of the best for the NFL.

    Thanks For Reading,

    Fan/Nfl Fan