Seattle Seahawks and Their Fans: A Bad Joke

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Seattle Seahawks great Brian Bosworth

Seattle Seahawks great Brian Bosworth

This post was written by E. Wolf in response to the Seattle Seahawks chicanery with that turd of a human being, Lance Easley, earlier this week. He is not happy, to say the least. However, he knows a thing or two about Seattle and its football team because he grew up there. Here is his glorious diatribe.

It has been almost a year since the infamous Fail Mary, in which victory, rightfully belonging to our beloved Green Bay Packers, was snatched away from our clutches by one of the most appalling instances of malfeasance and incompetence not just in the history of the NFL, but in the history of sport. Never before, to my knowledge, has a call been universally decried by the announcers and post-game analysts as this, analysts including Trent Dilfer and Steve Young — hardly Packers fans.

We can never know for sure what effect this ultimately had. Ostensibly that lost game cost the Packers an opening-round bye in the playoffs, which allowed Jim Harbaugh to observe the difficulties the Packers had against the read option with Joe Webb and the hapless Minnesota Vikings. It could very well be that in this alternative, “true” universe, the Pack went on to capture their second Super Bowl victory in three years. On the other hand, Aaron Rodgers and the Pack may not have played with the same urgency in Houston against the Texans, who at that point, were the best team in football. The Packers, of course, ripped them apart. We do know, however, that it colored both teams’ post-season position.

Instead of being embarrassed or humbled by this, Seattle Seahawks players, staff and their fans continue to gloat — along with the man in question responsible for it all. This is a man who is attempting to capitalize on the harm he did to our beloved Green Bay Packers, all the while daring to call himself a Christian while he preys on our small to moderate and most assuredly temporary misfortune.

This author cares not to examine the psychology of this despicable human being. Rather, as a native Seattleite-in-exile and hardcore, maniacal Packers fan who is rumored to literally bleed Green and Gold in alteration, I seek to answer WHY Seahawks players, staff and fans act in this manner even today. The Seahawks most recently held a charity softball game making light of this. This, on top of fan behavior we have all observed on this blog and many sports forums, as well as in real life encounters. Simply consider this — had this softball game been scheduled in Green Bay, and had the roles been reversed in our favor, I can assure one and all with metaphysical certitude that Mike McCarthy, Mark Murphy and the Packers organization (let alone the fans) would never allow this to happen.

And so we see once again that meaning arises from differences — here the differences between our Green Bay Packers, one of the most storied, hallowed franchises in NFL history, and an upstart expansion team spawned at the height of bad taste: the mid 1970s. The Seattle Seahawks are a pitiful failure that proves when you cannot cry, sometimes you have to laugh.

Just off the top of my head, consider this dreadful comedy:

  • The Seahawks have never won a Super Bowl (obviously) and only just recently removed themselves from the ranks of the truly pitiful — Lions and Browns — who have never even been to a Super Bowl (Texans, Jags get a pass because they are so young). Even the Tampa Bay Buccaneers won a Super Bowl in the time the Seahawks have existed.
  • Before last season, Seattle had not won a road playoff game since 1983.
  • Check out those fugly, new-age uniforms that spit on the one glimmer of pride that stems from the days of Chuck Knox, Steve Largent, Jim Zorn, Dave Krieg, Kenny Easley and the original Curt Warner.
  • Seattle is the birthplace of the Kingdome — that ugly dome also built in the1970s that collapsed on you. Packers fans, can you believe there was a more disgraceful shithole than the humpty-dump. There was, and it was a true blight on an otherwise beautiful Emerald City. I know, I lived there!
  • The Seahawks are so devoid of history and tradition, so devoid of any true natural rivalry, the NFL moved the team into a different conference twice (from the NFC West to the AFC West in 1977 and back again in 2002) and the fans hardly know the difference. It would be like the Packers or Bears playing in the AFC Central (or North), or the Steelers playing in the Black and Blue Division that we know as home, or the Dallas Cowboys playing in the AFC South. What would be incomprehensible to us is merely a slight adjustment to you.
  • Brian Bosworth. No further commentary needed.

At the very core, at the very essence of the matter is this one indisputable truth — the Seattle Seahawks have amounted to nothing more than a bad joke engrained in the DNA of every true Seattleite. I know, I was raised there. A local comedy skit show called Almost Live, which started in the mid 1980s and flourished in the 1990s made its heyday mocking this pathetic excuse for an NFL franchise. A montage of their skits can be found here:

The hits — the laughs — just keep on coming. They just don’t stop. And if Almost Live had not run its natural course and continued through the naughts, the laughs would continue to this day. Matt Hasselbeck running his mouth off about how, “We want the ball, and we are going to score,” only to throw that pick six to Al Harris. An artificially intimidating home environment that deserves far less attribution to supposedly die-hard fans, and far more to Paul Allen’s architects. One sorry Super Bowl appearance, in which they could not overcome a couple of questionable calls — as opposed to a universally denounced, instantly result-changing call undone by incontrovertible photographic evidence that unleashed a backlash so severe it ended the referee lockout in an instant. All of these moments and more would have been comedy gold for John Keister and Co. of Almost Live. But we can still enjoy more than a few laughs all the same.

Aside from one Super Bowl appearance featuring mediocre play at best, (which is hardly anything to cherish or boast about), probably the only bright spot you do have are the heady days of Zorn to Largent, and later Krieg to Largent, where a feisty band of upstarts led by Chuck Knox fought a valiant fight when hopelessly outclassed by outright superior teams of the AFC in the 1980s, like Dan Marino’s Dolphins, Boomer Esiason’s Bengals, or Marcus Allen’s Raiders.

Contrast that with the mystical legacy of the Green Bay Packers that exudes history, tradition, and excellence. This primordial, ancient power of the NFL, which rests in a small Midwest town, makes an impossible, surreal dream REALITY on the strength of this mystical aura alone. Whereas the Seattle Seahawks? A bad punch line in the DNA of every Seattleite — and by extension every football fan.

So go ahead Seahawks and Seahawks fans, carry on about how you had to have the most infamous bit of malfeasance to “win” a regular season game. Go ahead and enable that sickening, despicable hypocrite who dares to call himself a Christian while attempting to capitalize on our small misfortune created by his buffoonery. For our illustrious Green Bay Packers — marked by their colors of Green and Gold, and symbolized by that iconic oval G symbol emblazoned on their helmets and ubiquitously adorned throughout all of Packerland like an eternal, undying sun — march forward in a vainglorious bid to capture yet further Lombardi trophies. And as we embark on this quest, we ALL know that the joke, as always, is really on YOU.

About The Author

Monty McMahon is one of the founders of Total Packers. He is probably the most famous graduate of UW-Oshkosh next to Jim Gantner.

281 Comments on "Seattle Seahawks and Their Fans: A Bad Joke"

      • Phatgzus

        I believe it meant hole rat, and if it did, I would have to imagine the hole rat is Lance Easley, or perhaps Seachicken Nationn then again they strike me more as sewer rats.

    • Still mad, bro?

      Pretty ridiculous, honestly. The author of this article is clearly in denial, allowing his passion as a fan to override clear judgement.

      It was a catch based on two clear points of evidence.

      First: You don’t need two hands on the ball to “control” it. You simply need to have control of the ball. Given that Tate was able to one-handedly wrestle the ball away from Jennings’ chest suggests that MD Jennings did not yet have “control” of the ball. Sure, he had two hands on it, and it certainly looked like it had been intercepted, aside for the fact that he was still in the air when Tate got his hands on the ball and started to wrest control away from Jennings.

      Second point: You need two feet, a knee, or an elbow down in order to gain possession while retaining control. Since Golden Tate displayed he had control of the ball before Jennings got his other foot down, Tate is the clear winner of the catch.

      The author of this article is basically saying that because MD Jennings body position was superior to Tate’s, he had control, despite not having both feet down, and despite not being able to keep the ball to his chest when Tate only had one paw on it. If someone is so easily able to pull the ball from your chest, do you really have control of it? I think not, and the NFL agreed when they refused to overturn the call later that week.

      • Jurgens

        More “grassy knoll” dunder head football logic. Spin it any way you want guys, the whole world knows it wasn’t a catch.

        • BL Tuor

          BS! The ONLY ones who matter, the NFL and it’s rules, accurately call it a simultaneous catch and therefore, correctly, a Seahawk TD! Reason, which you totally and ignorantly ignore, Tate’s left hand was between Jennings chest and the football and firmly ON the football at the beginning of the catch. Then, before either player touched down, he established his right hand on the ball also. Simultaneous catch, by definition! TD Seahawks. You are correct, there was no offensive PI call. So WHAT? THAT simply means Seattle got one of the terrible calls/non-calls back. It does NOT have one single thing to do with the catch. Again, TD Seahawks. Grow up and get over it! GO HAWKS!!!!!

          • Phatgzus

            Seattle was awarded all of the terrible calls (at least 4) except for one. Additionally, it’s apparent you have no grasp of the rules relevant to this play and you have in no way made any effort to analyze the play. I recommend you go to YouTube (there are a number of educational videos of the play and postgame analysis) and watch the play prior to commenting, perhaps you’ll appear less nescient.

      • Jurgens

        Also, even if it was a catch… the other part of this debate that is constantly overlooked is the fact that Golden Tate clearly, blatantly committed pass interference… something Tate has admitted.

        • Fudgepackerfan

          … which 9 times out of 10 is n’t going to be called at the end of the game. Regardless of who is playing…. SMH.

  1. Lee LaRiviere

    hahaha! This is awesome!!! I love how bitter you are over a correct call. What’s gonna piss you off even more is our numerous SB wins over the next decade. Cry on Packer, cry on!

    GO HAWKS!!!

    • E. Wolf

      Now THAT really is funny. I remember, in the early 90s, I went to Western Washington University to judge a high school debate competition over a weekend. On the chalkboard in one of the rooms a debate was scheduled in, someone wrote this:

      I will not shower until the Seahawks win the Super Bowl.

      True story. And it exemplifies further what a hopeless cause yours is, which in turn explains why you all act this way. I imagine if the author were to actually carry through with this declaration, he would live his entire life without showering. Perhaps he bathes?

      • jared

        Wow that is super duper interesting. When I was in Green Bay, I saw 5 dudes stuffing their faces with chicken nuggets to see who could fit the most in their mouths. True story. Imagine, those guys are still fat idiots & are probably gonna be stuffing nuggets for the rest of their lives. That’s how they keep it classy.

        • E. Wolf

          And this effects the disposition of our respective teams how? My story is actually a barometer of your lifetime of failure.

          • Fan

            Umm “your lifetime of failure” so the football team of the city I grew up in hasnt won a Superbowl… yeah thats really not my failure in my lifetime. How many Superbowl rings do you have?

          • Still mad, bro?

            Seems more like a barometer of your emotional state. You Packer fans are a bunch of self-entitled whiners. You think because your franchise has history that somehow the rules of the game should be interpreted to your favor. Too bad, so sad. The Seahawks won that day and here you are, panties all in a wad, unable to get past the emotional anguish of watching your QB get turfed 9 times and held to all of 12 points.

            The reality is that you guys couldn’t win, even after the refs gifted you a pass interference call, which led to go-ahead score.

            Cry about it all you want, E. Wolf. We Seahawks fans will be drinking your tears and loving every salty drop.

          • Phatgzus

            Nooooooooooope, the rules should be determined properly and accurately with bias towards no one; unfortunately, the former was not executed.
            It was 8 sacks all in one half that was dominated by Seattle, 0 sacks int the second half owned by the Packers.
            The Packers were the recipients of 3 ppprovruous calls, the Seahawks only had 1 poor call go against them an it was not of the calibre of reprehensibility as the 3 against their opponents.

          • fudgepackerfan

            You (as indicated by your “article” *snicker*) SERIOUSLY need to get a life… It’s a game. One that true fans are passionate about.

            And ones that individuals with severe psychosis end up needing to take medication over…

            Care to guess which category you fall into??

      • Joe B

        I still have respect for the Packers. I don’t think Cryin’ Wolf is representative of their fans. Green Bay doesn’t get many of these calls because they are who they are, but many of the other teams get them regularly; it’s part of the game. stop weeping!

      • Mike A

        I think it’s grea that you think about us so much. It’s amazing how obsessed packers fans are with a ref. I’m a fan of personal accountability which packer fans aren’t familiar with, it goes like this:

        1) Arron Rodgers threw 0 tds passes. The same number I did. That’s a bad job by him if it isn’t a great job by our D

        2) The offensive line let up 8 sacks. Again a bad job by them if not a good job by our D

        3) The Packers offense could not get a first down to ice the game.

        True Story

  2. jared

    thanks for still crying about it. btw a careful examination of possession & TD rules, along with frame by frame replay shows Tate caught the ball one handed, possessed it and at that point scored. nothing after matters. well, except crying.

    • Mike R

      Jared, your opinion differs from every NFL analyst/ex-player, Mike Pereira, and other person who’s not a Seahawks fan and/or retarded.

        • Jurgens

          The NFL wanted the situation to go away. Remember, they were under an intense amount of scrutiny. Goodell and friends would have never admitted that one of their scab refs blew it.

  3. Hawk_Eye

    Hey everyone, call Green Bay a WAAAAMBULANCE! They are just so hurt and can’t get over it! Lets blame their fans, their coaches and their city for a call made by the referees. Get over it! It was reviewed by the NFL replay judges and was ruled a correct call. Get over it! The best team won!

    • E. Wolf

      You are the ones hosting a fucking softball game making light off this. Not a call made by referees, but by *A* scab referree, contradicted by one of his scab referee peers. A scab referee who was turned down by the fucking lingerie league. I won’t even get into how replay protocol was botched. Or how this ended the lockout post haste. And as actions speak far louder than words, the manner in which *THIS* travesty ended the lockout in one fell swoop says far more than Orwellian doublespeak by the Commish ever could.
      In other words, drink my piss you miserable cretins, drink my piss!
      I love Seattle, and miss it a lot. But I thank the heavens I’m not a Seahawks fan. I still remember the day in third grade when I bought a package of NFL stickers, featuring one helmet sticker of each team. I put a lot of them on my peechee folder, including the Seahawks one,but the one I liked the most had this marvelous Green and White oval G on this bold “yellow” helmet. I trace my current love and obsessionn for this glorious football team to that moment.
      Anyway, continue to act like total and complete asses. All you do is further prove my point.

      • JARED GORDON

        Fans didn’t host it. Sherman did. Easley has worked numerous events for NFL teams since leaving. The media made it a huge deal, not the league. On top of you whining like a middle school girl, you don’t even take the time to recognize how much money they raised for multiple charities that support our returning veterans. I’m 100% sure every single Packers player would agree it was a great event. Every argument you put down is invalid. Enjoy jerking off using all your tears to your precious green & white oval while you listen to your favorite Bieber album. Lombardi would roll over in his grave at how pathetic & whiny you all have gotten.

        • Fan

          Plus hiring Easley is pretty funny. Honestly these Packers fans make the “Fail Mary” seem like a genocide. Its in the past all you can do is laugh about it now.

      • I’ve got to be honest with you E. Wolf, you’re an idiot. Focusing all this ignorant hatred towards people you’ve never met and don’t know.

        This was a “Charity Softball Game” for christ sakes! It was a fun, family affair put on to raise money for multiple charities! Do you care more about some perceived slight at a football team you watch and a lost game or helping our wounded Veterans, which this event donated to?

        Maybe, instead of spending all this time researching, writing and posting about some trivial call in a trivial game and the history of a team that you don’t even care about, you should devote just a tiny bit of your time and energy to give back to those who’ve given everything for our country.

        Sheesh…what an idiot!!

      • Derek

        E. Wolf, your pathetic rant actually made me laugh.. You need a new hobby bro, perhaps towel folding or possibly candle making??

  4. Lol

    Yeah tate caught the ball one handed, while MD had both hands on it, against his own chest no less. Obvious INT is obvious.

    • Floyd Church

      This is where reading helps. The rules require a player to have two feet on the ground in bounds in order to establish possession. This is the same rule routinely applied in the context of catches on the sideline. How easily they forget . . . .

  5. Tim

    Eat a dick, nobody is crying. But uh you know how you say Taint “caught” the ball? How about when shoved Shields down to even get in the position to do so. Should’ve been a flag, game over right there, cunt rag.

    • E. Wolf

      Even without that–the photographic/video evidence repudiatiing this call is INCONTORVETIBLE. It’s like arguing whether the Earth is really round.
      Man I wish Almost Live were still around–John Keister would crucify how pathetic the Seahawks are, as that’s the only way they can “win.” To those following along, some of Keister’s digs on the Mariners and Sonics are also good. … This particular topic has special resonance now though, as my knowledge of local Seattle humor and history helps me understand it all. That’s why I try to share my understanding and insight with my fellow Packer fans.

      • D'Andre P

        Almost Live! has been back on the air for more than a season.

        As a supposed ex-Seattleite, you would know that the Seahawks then are not the Seahawks now. Not even the same owners. You were clearly never a fan of the Seahawks or Seattle. Please stop using John Keister’s name in vain.

        • E. Wolf

          It is not Almost Live, it is called the 206. And I live in NY, so it is not available to me. And besides, I am told its not the same thing.
          Of course I am not a Seahawks fan–and thank god for that. I am a Packers fan. I have not like the Seahawks since I was a child.

  6. Jim Harbaugh

    It’s funny how easily the Packers fans forget the calls leading up to that drive that allowed them to score their touchdown and take the lead. Oh, and the 8 sacks they allowed in the first half. Enjoy your ~rich history~ because that’s all you’ll have to gloat about this season while your team sits at home watching the Seahawks and 49ers win playoff games.

  7. latendresse76

    “in which victory, rightfully belonging to our beloved Green Bay Packers” yet they had the ball with 1:54 remaining and went 4-out while leaving 54 sec on the clock. The packers had the entire game to put away the Seahawks and couldn’t.

    • E. Wolf

      The packers had the entire game to put away the Seahawks and couldn’t.

      Yes, actually they could. The defense stopped that drive three times, each time a bullshit call invalidated. of course savign the worst for last.

    • Jurgens

      This is the stupidest argument when it comes to disputed end of game calls.

      The Seahawks also had the entire game to put the Packers away…

  8. yoda

    hahaha this just made my day!!!!!! i dont think even hawk fans cryed this hard over the super bowl. thank you for letting the anger thats been boiling inside out for the rest of us to read and laugh at you.

  9. JW

    Dude get over it, it’s a game.
    Seattle has an exciting team as well does GB.
    Enjoy the sport, celebrate the accomplishment don’t nag a neighbor, don’t be a miserable person.
    One should never berate their advisory they should build themselves up that’s honorable rhetoric. This is a Fox News approach to rhetoric and classless as can be. I hope it gets better for you child.

    • E. Wolf

      One should never berate their advisory they should build themselves up that’s honorable rhetoric.

      You mean the way Pete Carroll has conducted himself since–or how about the great decision to make this assclown “ref” the guest of honor.
      Oh and its not just a game. I commented about this many times. If it were just a game–

      –so many of us Packer fans would not invest so much time, blood, sweat, tears and money in the team we love

      –would not experience such a wide range of emotion–to jubilant exhiliration in victory, to another whole sort of Angst in defeat int he playoffs or important regularl season games, from crying to fits of rage and anger.

      –get tattoos of the iconic Packers oval G or other images signifiying our allegiance.

      It is not just a game–it is an obsession, a passion that only a select few can comprehend.

      • LOL!! “an obsession…that only a select few can comprehend”!

        Most people with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) fall into one of the following categories:

        Washers are afraid of contamination. They usually have cleaning or hand-washing compulsions.

        Checkers repeatedly check things (oven turned off, door locked, etc.) that they associate with harm or danger.

        Doubters and sinners are afraid that if everything isn’t perfect or done just right something terrible will happen or they will be punished.

        Counters and arrangers are obsessed with order and symmetry. They may have superstitions about certain numbers, colors, or arrangements.

        Hoarders fear that something bad will happen if they throw anything away. They compulsively hoard things that they don’t need or use.

        Packer Fans have a ridiculous belief that their history dictates their future. Their brains are so stuck on the “greatness of their past” that they can’t see the mediocrity of their present. There is a reason they are called “Cheese Heads”.

        • Phatgzus

          1) Congratulations on your ability to use Wikipedia, top notch stuff.

          2) History does dictate the future, especially if you’re a Determinist; however, even if you’re not, history, both distal and proximal, affect the future.
          Distant history is most useful in a football sense, in allowing others to analyze the aspects of victorious humans and seek out and cultivate them in the players of today. It also allows for the determination of strategy that may also be of contemporary use.
          Study of proximal or current history has much the same merit as distant history, however, proximal history also involves individuals who are often extant contemporaneously, thus, it is likely these individuals’ historical impact sense will be facsimilated, to admittedly variable fidelity, in the now.

          Succinctly and vaguely epitomized, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

          Suucinctly

      • finman1966

        An obsession. A passion. I think you underestimate the remainder of humanity. Everyone has obsessions, passions- mine just happens to be my kids, and trying to make a living. You are seriously going to let this game get the better of you? I saw the play in question. At first, I agreed with the call on the field. Several months later, I went back and looked at the play again. It should have been an interception or at the very least, the offensive pass interference on Tate should have been called. Do I lay awake at nights sleepless over it? No. From the sounds of your ranting, you would sacrifice everything, your family, your job, your health for the Green Bay Packers, in short it is an absolute, there are no shades of gray. True, perhaps following a sports team does provide pleasure, so does bungee jumping, target practice with all sort of firearms. If you put all your eggs in one basket and the object of your obsession lets you down- i.e. the basket breaks, what are you left with? Broken eggs all over your iconic Packers oval G. Perhaps the issue is not a passion that only a select few can comprehend, it is the issue that the passion is singular in its focus and to disregard everything else is not only not healthy, it gives the rest of us pause to question the sanity of the person making the initial observation. To use your own idiom- maybe it would not hurt to diversify your passion to other hobbies. In any event, talking smack and disrespecting a group of people you have never met to make yourself feel better says volumes about you and your personality, and is a clear indication of what being a fan of the Packers is all about.

  10. the real russ letlow

    funny how many seahawk fans tune into a Packers website. don’t think it goes the other way around.

    • Joe B

      Pete Carroll and Golden Tate are treating the game as it should be treated. It is just a kid’s game in the final analysis. If the Packers are right about the call (and the NFL says they’re not; although, there was a missed push off) all it is, is a unfortunate twist in a game that the packers were not distinguishing themselves in anyway. The seahawks are laughing it off; so should you. The ‘Hawks have been the victim of many bad calls. They lost a Superbowl over them –A SUPERBOWL. Stop crying; you’re an embarrassment to a storied franchise!

      • Phatgzus

        Just a kid’s game eh? That certainly explains why the participants in said child’s play earn more money in a year than any person on this board will make in their lifetime.

        • Joe B

          that’s only because we find kid’s games entertaining. Teachers make a hell of a lot more of a difference in the world and don’t get paid squat. If you think there is a correlation between how much you get and what you contribute, you must be cognitively impaired.

          • Phatgzus

            I agree with your teacher comment to an extent but would make the addendum to GOOD teachers, as bad teachers (and there are many of them) do much more harm than good and thusly should be paid nothing.

            Furthermore, there was nothing in my prior comment that could be educed as equity or even correlation between contribution and recompense. Merely, my insinuation was that these individuals make great sums of money because their jobs appeal to great number of people (as it is the masses patronage that in large part affords such salaries) not merely the substantially smaller demographic of children. Furthermore, a game that requires and even reveres violent really is not an ideal game for children, then again many children grew up playing Cops-and-Robbers (cowboys-and-Indians) (perhaps a partial testament, along with the focus of “new” coverage and international politics, to the contemporary desensitized state of the 1st-World-Nation publius), and now grow up playing GTA and Evil Dead, F.E.A.R., and the like.

            Finally, anonymously insulting the character of an individual on the internet who in no way insulted (openly or surreptitiously) your character, you must be emotionally impaired.

      • Jurgens

        I will agree that you guys got jobbed in the the Superbowl. Just thought that Seattle fans would display a little empathy because of it…

  11. 20Sickness

    Russ letlow….I googled “Seattle Seahawks” and this came up. Nobody in Seattle cares enough about the Packers to troll your blogs. $ on the ‘Hawks dominating the Pack during their preseason (which obviously doesn’t matter) game. ALWAYS COMPETE.

    #GOHAWKS

    And good for the ref making light of the call. Any smart man would.

    • E. Wolf

      $ on the ‘Hawks dominating the Pack during their preseason (which obviously doesn’t matter) game. ALWAYS COMPETE.

      This has to be the most pathetic statement in the history of the internets.

      • Joe B

        CryWolf; YOU are the most pathetic statement in the history of the Internet. Stop embarrassing the Cheese Heads!

    • the real russ letlow

      there are loads of Packers sites on the web. I put the ones I like in my favs and visit them regularly. you ought to give it a try. I would never go to another team’s site to get my Packers news. And reading a lengthy post and putting negative comments on that site kinda seem like trolling to me. And I sure don’t need to google anything to find Packers stories. by the way, if you want to attend that preseason game there are multiple Packers sites that will sell you a ticket or two. just google them.

    • Lee LaRiviere

      YO, 20Sickness! Thanks for copying my name!! Sick huh?!?!

      Yes, I’m the “REAL” 206iccness, been since 2000. But find it harder and harder to get my name on different sites over the last few years because everyone’s stealing it!!

  12. Tucson Packer

    Good article E. Wolf, your article is full of thought provoking insight the majority of readers especially those not being from Seattle would have.

    Any hawk “fan” wont actually read it though. They’ll just scroll to the bottom of the page and write some childish “nanny nanny boo boo” line about still “winning” the game.

    When you are wrong you are wrong, simply admit it and you’ll actually gain some respect. Lie about it, turn it into a publicity media circus and you run the risk of looking like a pretentious bitch.

    Always remember little hawks, Us Packers have 13 Championships and multiple LOMBARDI trophies.

    All you have is a bag of skittles.

    • Phatgzus

      Nice try but you forgot a major provision to the rule:

      Article 3, Item 5 of the NFL Rulebook states;

      “Simultaneous Catch.
      If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.”

      http://deadspin.com/5946115/this-was-not-a-simultaneous-catch

      When attempting to interpret this rule, please understand that control and possession (catch) are to distinct states. As Jennings was the first to establish control, and at no point did he lose control, Tate could not possibly awarded possession (a catch and TD). Additionally, it does not affect the result of the game if Jennings landed inbounds (although he did) or out, at that point the fate of the play is ultimately up to his action alone.

      Prior to lecturing others on a matter, please be certain Ythat OU are informed of every aspect of the matter, additionally please attempt to refrain from using individuals with an obvious bias as source material.

      Thank you and best regards,

      You’ve Been Owned

      • JD

        You assume everyone agrees that Jennings established control first, and I do not – it is even arguable that Tate had control first. Either way, without replay it was too close to give one the edge over the other, and simultaneous goes to the receiver.

        Clear parameters for “control” are not defined well in the rulebook. In normal catches control is proven when the receiver controls the ball until he performs an act, usually touching down with both feet.

        Control gets a lot murkier in simultaneous catches. The receiver has 100% control of the ball in a normal catch, but neither player can have 100% control in a simultaneous catch, by definition. If they did you can assume that one would take the ball away from the other (like Jennings tried.) The rulebook does not make any distinction between degrees of control, so hypothetically if one player has 5% control to the other’s 95%, that could be enough to be simultaneous.

        So, in a simultaneous catch what matters is when each player began controlling the ball to some degree, as long as they never lost the ability to control the ball.

        In this catch, Tate actually touched the ball first if you look at it frame by frame. He stopped the downward motion of the ball at the same time that Jennings was closing his hands around it from the sides. He keeps a strong grip on the ball constantly with one hand until the play is completely over & the referees get into the mix.

        I don’t think you looked at the link I posted. I looked at your’s, and it is ridiculously bad. The dude quotes the rulebook and says “M.D. Jennings pretty clearly caught the ball and Tate tried to wedge his arms in there”. I agree with the rulebook quote, obviously, but not the quote. He provides zero evidence or reasoning. It’s closer to a caption on a picture than real analysis. Look at my earlier link. It provides frame by frame reasons that disagree with you & that link.

        • Phatgzus

          I will respond in three parts, firstly to your considerations on control, secondly to the play in question in which additional corroborating evidence will be presented in the form of a link, and thirdly to the validity of the citation utilized.

          Firstly, the NFL Rulebook is indeed vague on the issue of control, however, vis a vis simultaneous possession there does exist a clear identifier of possession. Assuming both individuals have possession of the ball at the end of the play (i.e. they are in bounds and make a “football move” without losing control) and both at some point during the play have established control without either losing control while the other maintains it, the order in which control was obtained does not matter, possession is awarded to the offensive player (a fact further cemented at 8:10 in the link I will provide, by the former head of officiating for the NFL, Gerald “Gerry” Austin, Art McNally Award recipient). This is a complete refutation of the premise presented and defended in your fourth paragraph.

          The link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA5iVLBQ3V4

          Secondly, M.D. Jennings was indeed the first to touch the ball (no that that has any bearing on the eventual outcome as I have previously demonstrated), as can be seen at the 9;58-9:59 and 7:52 marks of the high-definition video I have linked. Tate then touches the ball with his left hand as Jennings begins to corral it against his body. At 10:00-10:01, both Tate’s left and right hands come off the ball, now allowing Jennings the opportunity to proceed with the play in an attempt to gain possession or go out of bounds without forfeiting possession to Tate. Jennings then proceeds to land with two feet in bounds while falling to the ground, pall pinned to hist torso with both hands and Tate’s right arm on top of the ball, also pinning it to Jennings’ chest.
          This information and that provided in my prior response is all one needs to objectively determine that M.D. Jennings did indeed have first, control, and then possession of the football, ergo the play should have resulted in an interception.

          Thirdly, as for the credibility of the webpage, my intent was not to reference the article as a whole but rather the quotation from the Official NFL Rulebook, to that end, my citation is validated and unimpeachable.

          Additionally, with reference to your statement regarding degrees of control, I cannot personally refute your assertion as I have not read the entirety of the NFL Rulebook regarding the matter (nor do I wish to); however, former referee Gerald Austin, one of the most revered at his profession in the history of the sport, repeatedly makes references to Jennings’ control of the ball against his body and Tate’s solitary arm on the ball, take that for what it’s worth, I certainly am inclined to have some measure of faith in an individual who is considered one of the best on a subject at which I myself am not an academic.

          Finally, I would like to thank you for putting much thought into the matter and responding if not in utterly amicable, at least a nonantagonistic and composed manner. It is a pleasure and, unfortunately, a rarity to have such debates with fellow members of the internet community.

          Good day,

          Phatgzus.

          • JD

            Not sure why a former ref would say the order of control does not matter when the rules say otherwise –

            Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, “Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control… ”

            The former ref also referenced “simultaneous possession”, which is impossible. Not sure how much credence I’d give him after saying these two things.

            The link I originally posted has blown-up frames of initial contact. I also don’t know how to play it at frame-by-frame speed…

            Blown-up images: http://imageshack.us/a/img543/3605/firstcontact.jpg

            Here’s a good gif of the critical time period –
            http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1210517/refss_medium.gif

            That gif is the reason I say Jennings messed up badly. He let the ball enter between his hands, like a receiver letting the ball come to his body. He was definitely elevated over Tate and could have easily gone after the ball, but he let it descend to where Tate could touch it at about the same time Jennings did.

            It looks there like it could go either way. It also looks to me like Tate’s left hand never left the ball in any video I’ve seen. His right hand definitely did.

            Glad this is a pleasure Phatgzus. Same here. But it would be nice if you would read the link I sent. ;)

            JD

          • Phatgzus

            Order of control does not matter because you can’t have caught the ball without demonstrating control through the play as, by it’s very definition a catch entails possession and, thusly, control. Put another way if you control the ball first and proceed to lose control to your opponent who then does not relinquish control, it does not matter that you controlled the ball first as you did not demonstrate control through the summation of the play, and are not awarded possession, i.e. a catch. For simplicity’s sake the first player is viewed as never having controlled the ball; it is a practice anlalogous to canceling like multiplicative values in the numerator and denominator of algebra problems involving complex math. Likewise, if the second player fails to wrest control away from the first, obviously the second player never had control. In this shortcut context order of control does not matter because order does not exist. Furthermore, it is a temporal possibility for the two opponents to gain control at the exact same moment, however, in the extremely rare instance two opponents gain control in such short succession that an official cannot discern the succession, even with the aid of instant replay, the “tie” is awarded to the offense. For these reasons, order of control does not matter.

            Unfortunately, there are 2 issues with the images you linked: 1) they are from the front and thus youcannot ID the position of Tate’s left hand relative to the front of the ball-
            vital information. 2) the frames are quite blurry, absolutely nothing can be discerned from the first and anything gleaned from the last 3 is conjecture, regardless I will attempt to analyze them. I believe the only one that bears any significance is Frame 2, which appears to show Jennnings with 2 hands on the ball and the fingers on Tate’s right hand about to or just touching the ball.
            As for the GIF it also suffers the same issue of offering only 1 perspective, as such it appears that as the 2 ate befinning to go to the ground (as Jennings starts to present the crownbof his helmet to the camera), Tate’s left arm moves in such a manner that would indicate he took his left hand off the ball in order to get an actual grasp on the ball.
            Even if Tate’s left hand never left the ball (please by nk means mistake this as an admission) and even if he did touch the ball first (again not an admission), neither indicates that he ever had control at any point (it could be contended it occurred once they began jockeying for control whilst on the ground, but my imitial statement refutes this).
            As I have attempted to refute (i believe quite successfully)
            all of your points, I would very much like to hear your response to the corroborating visual evidence I presented via the YouTube video, specifically the action that occurs at the times I highlighted.

            Phatgzus

          • JD

            I did already reply that the angles are bad, but I can do it in more detail.

            At 7:52 the ball is between Jenning’s hands before Tate has touched it, but from this camera angle is it not possible to tell whether Jennings has caught the football or if it is just between his hands, as it appears to be in other videos.

            The 9:59 view also shows that they touch the ball at about the same time because it shows the gap between his hands that Jennings lets the ball go through. But, it is not a great angle because Tate’s left hand/arm is blocked by Jenning’s right arm. I did notice something weird at 9:59 – Jennings does not initially secure the ball with his right hand, but instead his right forearm. Dude screwed up, bad hand/eye coordination maybe? Either that or he was going to catch it against his body, and the awkward forearm catch is because Tate stopped the ball at a spot where Jennings did not expect it to stop.

            Regarding the pictures being from the front, preventing identifying where Tate touches the ball – Another way to tell where Tate touches the ball is by looking at the elevation of the ball.
            The ball stops going down. Either gravity forgot its job or someone was holding the ball up.

            Phatgzus:

            Order of control does not matter because you can’t have caught the ball without demonstrating control through the play as, by it’s very definition a catch entails possession and, thusly, control.
            Phatgzus

            Incorrect order, in a catch control is first established, then it is maintained until the player touches down, and then performs a football move. If these are satisfied, then the catch is successful and possession of the ball is awarded. In other wards, control -> catch -> possession.

            “Article 3 Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by
            the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
            (a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
            (b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
            (c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act
            common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an
            opponent, etc.).”

            Phatgzus:

            Put another way if you control the ball first and proceed to lose control to your opponent who then does not relinquish control, it does not matter that you controlled the ball first as you did not demonstrate control through the summation of the play, and are not awarded possession, i.e. a catch. For simplicity’s sake the first player is viewed as never having controlled the ball; it is a practice anlalogous to canceling like multiplicative values in the numerator and denominator of algebra problems involving complex math. Likewise, if the second player fails to wrest control away from the first, obviously the second player never had control. In this shortcut context order of control does not matter because order does not exist. Furthermore, it is a temporal possibility for the two opponents to gain control at the exact same moment, however, in the extremely rare instance two opponents gain control in such short succession that an official cannot discern the succession, even with the aid of instant replay, the “tie” is awarded to the offense. For these reasons, order of control does not matter.Phatgzus

            Not sure I get the point of what you are saying. It almost sounds like you are arguing against the possibility of simultaneous catches existing.

            Anyway…I think we can assume that the referees were not sure who touched the ball first. It is too close for anyone to prove as our discussions show, although I still lean towards Tate touching (and controlling it) first when he stopped the downward movement.

            I’m not sure who you think the “first” and “second” players were in your statement, but either way neither Tate nor Jennings were able to wrest the ball away. You then say that this means that the “second” player never had control. What about the first player? Whoever the first player was, he was not able to wrest the ball away either. Does that mean the first player never had control either?

            If you answer Yes, then you are essentially saying the simultaneous catches are impossible because neither player can take control away from the other, and that must be bad logic because the rulebook allows for simultaneous catches.

          • Phatgzus

            JD,

            I did not present that statement as means to present systematically present the order of the steps involved in a catch, I believe you misconstrued my point. Simply put I was stating that by having caught the ball, the individual who performed that action had also demonstrated both control and possession, as the very definition of a catch requires those two parameters (as well as a football move, as a football move is one of 2 factors, along with control, requisite in determining possession). I presented this statement as a means to introduce my succeeding ontological apologetic explanation of order of control as used by Gerald Austin and myself.

            Whilst we are in a philosophical vein, I will attempt to elucidate my statement about the existence of simultaneous possession. What I was attempting to impart unto you is that in terms of time and its objective relationship with the universe, there is no such thing as a simultaneous occurrence of any 2 events for time can be measured infinitely to smaller and smaller units (I will not elaborate on this point as such would require a detailed explanation of the infinite and this would require an unfeasible expenditure of time, space, defining, and causality). That being said even the mist accurate of human technologies can only measure time accurately to the picosecond (trillionth of a second) and the NFL’s clocks are not one of those devices, to that end I believe simultaneous possession exists in terms of an NFL viewpoint but not from the viewpoint of the objective relationship of space and time that governs our universe. I hope that illuminates my previous explanation of simultaneous possession for you.

            As for the scenario with the two plauers, it was meant to be a purely hypothetical situation akin to those presented in the NFL Rulebook.

          • Phatgzus

            As for the first player needing to wrest control (assuming he never relinquished control to Player 2 and that the result of the play was a catch) he would not need to wrest control away because Player 2 never had control, thus, by the default call of catch (assuming these are the only players involves in the play) he has control of the ball (how could he possibly wrest control of a corporeal object away from himself?).

            The angles are not bad just inconclusive of their own accord, that is why I presented side and frontal views. As for the ball ceasing its fall I would likely attribute that to the pair of yellow gloves closed around it (with no space between glove and ball). This is further reinforced by evidence easily observable in the HD slow-motion video replay (not so in the the still frames or grainy GIF). This evidence is that upon contact, the ball wiggled violently at the front and rear along its saggital axis (the axis that passes through the long center of the ball). This aberration in movement is indicative of force being exerted orthogonally or obliquely to the sagital axis (I.e. hands being applied to the side of the ball). If Tate had initiated contact with his left hand as you posit, he would have contacted the front of the ball, causing it to wobble about the transverse axis (which runs through the short center of the ball).
            With respect to Jennings pinning the ball (partially) with his forearm, it is quite clear that this is due to the ball partially slipping through his hands not as a result of Tate interfering with the catch. You could argue against catching the ball, however, that is one I am not going to entertain here (for obvious reasons). If you are suggesting he erred by not catching the ball with his hands, that is what he intended to do, however, he is a DB, they are not known for their superlative hands, if he had better hands he likely would not have been on the field for the play as he would be a wide receiver.

          • JD

            Haha amusing posts. I thought you might going for a generic discussion of “simultaneous” in your earlier posts, but I wasn’t sure.

            You put a couple of semi-serious statements, but I think we have just about exhausted our points of view. I was going to point out that possession is not required for a catch, it is awarded BECA– — USE of a catch, and it is possible for a defender to not be awarded possession in a simultaneous catch even though he meets all the other requirements, but it is hard to remember why that is even significant for Tate’s catch. Also, Calculus could be used to prove that possession occurs at the same time as the catch, and blurs the causal relationship, but that would be silly.

            I’ll leave you with a youtube video of a DB who does not have Jennings’ failings – http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1IzlGU8cyj0#t=26s

          • Phatgzus

            My posts are not “semi-serious”, they are presented with the utmost earnestness. Furthermore they are relevant and definitive, e.g. my point regarding the flight of the football utilizes ballistics and the effects of forces on objects, these are both topics that fall under the umbrella of Physics, i.e. the study of the phenomena that govern the universe and everything that has or will have ever existed.

            Possession is not awarded because of a catch, in this particular instance possession and catch are functionally synonymous, that is to say a catch cannot exist without possession and vice versa, however, in general, possession can exist without a catch (e.g. a handoff or a strip sack). Possession and catch do not have possess a temporal relationship. Furthermore it is not difficult to remember why possession is important in this instance (which is a Jennings INT not a Tate catch) or any other, as possession defines
            which player (and by extension, team) has the ball.

            I am not arguing the temporal relationship of catch and
            possession (you seem to be hung up on this) as it does not exist, the relationship of the two is purely semantic-if someone catches the ball they possess it as the term catch implies possession, and possession implies either a catch, successful handoff, or fumble recovery. That is to say you can possess the ball on a play even if you didn’t catch it but
            you canNOT catch the ball without possessing it.
            As this catch-possession argument is one of semantics and not one of causality no mathematics of any flavor has apologetic relevance. To that end I agree with you that it would be fruitless and utterly illogical to apply calculus, as calculus does not determine the meaning of words. If you are implying that it is silly to apply calculus to even the most trivial of situations to which it is applicable, I strongly disagree, one never knows when perfunctory practice will aid the acquisition of extraordinary results.

            As for the play, it’s a fantastic one I never said or implied Sherman was a bad player or less talented than Jennings, in fact Sherman is either the 3rd, 2nd, or best CB in the NFL (depending on whether or not Revis returns to pre-injury form). That said he also played some receiver at Stanford, Jennings did not.

            Finally, you may have exhausted your apologetic position, I have not, I have continued to present relevant logical defenses from a multitude of disciplines.

      • Floyd Church

        The rule you cite applies only if two players “catch” the ball. A “catch” requires possession, which requires two feet on the ground in bounds. Any other interpretation of the rules leads to absurd results. Before lecuturing others about lecturing others make sure you . . . actually, I think you should leave the lectures to others.

        • Phatgzus

          I understand what possession is thanks Pinky, if you watch the play more than once, as I have countless times over, it is quote obvious that Jennings lands in bounds as well.
          Prior to attempting to hubrisly and cunningly attempt to subvert an individuals actually cheeky retort by using the same structure employed by your target, make sure you are 100% aware of the actuality of all facets of the topic being discussed. Now If you would like to provide an address I will kindly indulge and send you an Aloe Vera plant with which to treat that burn, trust me you’re going to need all of it.

          • Floyd Church

            Your problem is that the moment Tate’s feet touched the ground, which happened before the moment MD’s feet touched the ground, the game was over.

            Thanks for teeing up that second slap.

          • Phatgzus

            Incorrect there Pinkerton, please proceed to read the rules regarding simultaneous possession; FYI you hit like a schoolgirl.

          • Floyd Church

            Again, the rules you cite only apply when both players catch the ball. Tate controlled the and when his feet the ground is was a catch and a touchdown with no time on the clock. Game over. You cannot cite any rule to refute this analysis as there is no such rule.

          • Phatgzus

            Actually, I can and have Pinkberry, I refer you to my debate with JD above, my first 3 or 4 responses are most relevant. Your argument (if one could accurately call it that) is based on the belief that Tate controlled the ball and retained it throughout the play, neither assertion is correct. You’re obviously in denial or don’t have the processing power to understand the nuances of this particular play and the applicable rules.
            Sorry Pinskly but you can’t even get in the ge if you don’t know how to play it.

    • E. Wolf

      I am reminded of Dr Lecter’s comments to Paul Krendler as the latter feebishly tries to keep up with a conversation while hopelessly strung out on a sedative; Paul, if you cannot keep up, Perhaps it is best you do not join the conversation at all.
      The referene to Joe Web was the Vikins playoff game we won. It would have been a blowout, but MacCarthy shut thins down in the second half and put the team on coast. In that game the only marginal success the Vikings had, the only way they could move the ball at all, was wth the read option. Harbaugh and his staff obviouly used this for their game plan. It follows that had the Packers had the bye week, and the game at Lambeau, several things would be different

      1) home field advantage, but more importantlly
      2) the Vikings would never have reveaed this weaness in our defense.

  13. AJ

    I am a die hard Hawks fan….and it was a horrible call!! There are millions just like me…..why do you feel it necessary to alienate good people? Writing this article…put you in the same classification as the Hawk fans that think it was a good call!! By the way, these articles are published and shared on thousands of sources……so no, “we” dont take the time to go on Packers websites! Good luck this season…….

    • E. Wolf

      Perception is reality. The softball game in question has been supported by your fan base, as well as all the other outrageous conduct. It is up to you (as in Ihr, you in the plural) to change that perception

  14. Edwin ortega

    Shut the hell up! Stop crying! Packer fans wanna cry about that one call when the seahawks coulda put them away alot earlier had there not been alot of stupid calls against the us too. Plus dont bring up that niners and packers game! The cheese balls embarrassed themselves! Ive seen better defensive play out of high school kids! Hahaha step up your horrible defense before you come play with the big boys!

  15. GIChamp

    I’m a Seahawk fan and I think the Fail Mary was a blown call. Of course, so was the absurd pass interference call on Kam Chancellor (also universally decried by the same analysts you cite) that allowed Green Bay to score a touchdown in the first place. There were countless additional bad calls in both directions; one cannot even begin to try to untangle them all to decide who “should have won.”

    Specifics of the game aside, I am disturbed that you are still so upset (or ever were, for that matter) over this one game that you have taken to baselessly insulting an entire fan base numbering in the millions and questioning the faith of a man you don’t know (I would note that the softball game was a charity event). Grow up.

    • Phatgzus

      If you read the article, you would know that Mr. Wolf is not equivocally assaulting the fan base as he lived in the city for many years and thus has first-hand experience of the nature of Seahawk fans. I’m sure there are plenty of upright Seattle fans, however, there are, unfortunately, many insolent troglodytic fans who will vehemently disagree with your initial statement all the while obdurately dodging reality; This article is intended for those individuals.

      Additionally, one could certainly begin to unravel the tangled web that was woven. For instance,one could recall the three utterly odious penalties called on the Packers during that final drive:
      Firstly, was the roughing-the-passer on I believe Erik Walden (it may have been Perry) that nullified a sack-fumble that would have awarded the Packers possession within or close to field goal range.
      Secondly, was the PI call on I believe Sam Shields on 3rd down that awarded the Seahawks 20 yards and an automatic first down.
      Thirdly, a second PI call on the subsequent series that awarded the Seahawks another first down, distance, and clock stoppage.

      • E. Wolf

        Another great post. As I stated our defense actually stopped these guys THREE times on that drive. At some point even Titans fall if you keep throwing mulligan after mulligan. Oh wait, they did not fall, they intercepted that ball . ..
        I want to reiterate that what really pisses me off one year removed is

        1) First last and always, that cunt Lance Easley seeks to profit off our misfortune. I wish horrible unspeakable violence on him–accident or otherwise–for this. Hey hawk fans who are trollin this article,, go see my comments on the Lance Easley. .. Still article a couple entries down. Read it with my warm gooey sugar kisses in spirit and heart.
        2) Sherman and some contingent of the fan base make light of this in a softball game. As I stated in my article, if the tables were reversed no way Murph, Mac and the Packers brass would EVER ok this, even if somehow Packer fans were to condone this sort of thing. Carroll and the Seahawks brass gave the green light to this. Again trying to make light of their misfortune.

        We fell short last year, but I am proud of how Rodgers and the Pack rallied. That game in Houston warms my heart. It makes me feel like a little girl first falling in love. We know Rodgers keeps track of this sort of thing. Unfortunately he did not have the grudge we hoped he would have against the niners (it sok he has a good eight years to rectify that). Better believe he has seen that pic of that cunt making the touchdownn sign. So have other Packers, including what we can hope will be a resurgent defense looking to prove that they can be physical like 2010.
        We will laugh last, and laugh best Seahawks fans. That guy who wrote ona chalkboard ‘I will not shower until the Seahawks win the Super Bowl’ will live to the end of his days as one smelly dude. Bank on it.

        • Phatgzus

          I am smiling with glee at the expression on Rodgers’ face whilst he imbibes the image of “Easleytheworst’referee’ever” signaling touchdown at the game with that smug self-deifying smirk on his face. The fires ruminating in Smaug’s belly, nay the very flames that are jettisoned out Lucifer himself’s ass after a week-long Taco Bell binge could not possibly be hotter than those waiting to be unleashed from Rodgers’ belly.

  16. Joel McBroom

    If you represent packer fans, It makes me sad. In seattle we like to have fun, we like to win and we do have a great group of fans. You packers need to lighten up. Bad calls happen, questionable calls happen and like I was told in Super Bowl XL, “Stop whining and overcome!!!” The refs can’t make you loose if your kicking some ass. Truth is, Green Bay didn’t own us, you just managed the game and then you lost! Deal with it!

    PS. Sherman inviting lance to a “Charity” softball game!!!! Hilarious and all in good taste!

    Go Hawks!!!

  17. CO Bob

    So the Wolf-“meister” does a write up on a game that was unanimously dubbed by all media outlets, and all fans outside WA state, as a screw job by the refs……..yeah…it’s long gone by….

    I doubt he was chumming for Seahawk fan comments….but at least we got to hear them chime in…Stay classy. When you get at least 2 SB trophies, stop by again and rub it in a little.

    Most AFC teams and others like the “hawks” are really just expansion teams……no real history or success level that garners respect.

  18. BallHawkin12Man

    Seriously. First of all, do I have to point out that prior to the “Fail Mary” as you call it, your quarterback of your elite packers got sacked EIGHT…count it…1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8…times! Now. Had your “better then the Seahawks we have been crapping in our cheerios because we have no life” Packers PLAYED good football in the first place to beat the “lowly Seahawks”, there would not be a need to have this conversation.

    Of course you think your team got screwed. I can understand that. But that was WAAAAY back in Week 3 and we are about to embark on Training Camp for this season…and you are whining still?

    I had always respected the Packers and Aaron Rodgers…until this call didn’t go their way and your team REF– — USED to come back out of the locker room. That is poor sportsmanship. I think the NFL should have FINED your Packers for that display of sportsmanship…or lack there of.

    You want to call a team a joke….point your finger at the Packers in that game. Because they played like idiots. They strolled into OUR house and thought they could just beat us easy.

    Just accept you lost the game already. Being a whiny bitch about it still almost a year later is laughable.

    You are worse then a woman.

    • Phatgzus

      The Packers actually returned to the field after Pete Carroll stopped jumping around like a man who just ingested a bucket of Mexican Jumping Beans.

      All 8 sacks came in the first half in which the Seahawks utterly dominated, the Packers then proceeded to dominate the second half.

      In the words of the immortal Apu Nahasapaheemapatilon, “Thank you come again.”

  19. BallHawkin12Man

    oh BTW…what is next?

    When the Seahawks do win a Super Bowl….your going to start comparing Lombardi Trophies? Because the old crap of “Seattle hasn’t won any Super Bowls” will be out the window.

    Just let me know if I am on your predictable path.

    Your article pisses me off. And when we do meet your Fudge Packers again…we will be sure to punch them in the mouth again.

    #bitches

    • Phatgzus

      Of course it pisses you off, because it’s true and the undesired truth hurts. BTW when the Seahawks win the Super Bowl the Zombie Apocalypse will already be at it’s azimuth.

  20. Packer Backer in Seattle

    Very good article E. Wolf… As they say Paper champions don’t win anything, especially in July. The talk and rhetoric here (Seattle) about how good their team is….well just nauseating.

    As someone who is from Green Bay and used to being in
    different places thanks to the military. I had more respect for the fans here in the earlier days then what they have for bandwagon fans now. The place where our group meets has more Packer fans than Seahawk fans every game day, even in the playoffs.

    I can’t even begin to tell you how many bandwagon fans there are. If you go back about only 2 years ago when there record was only 7-9 and had a losing record for 4 years in a row, the fans here were anxiously waiting for the draft to pick in the top 15 as they had in the previous 4 years…

    I will take our 13 Championships and 4 Super Bowl trophies to their 0! I will take our Pack any day, any week, any year.

    All that I can say is Green Bay everyday, all day! GO PACK!

    • E. Wolf

      Good stuff. Do you by chance go to the Mustard Seed in Bellevue? I went there in 04 while visiting family for Christmas. Was there for the Al Harris pic six game.
      I miss Seattle a lot and am considering moving back. Seattle is a cool place, even though the Seahaws are anything but.

  21. E. Wolf


    Joel McBroom:

    In seattle we like to have fun, we like to win and we do have a great group of fans

    Really, you like to win? Aside from two seasons under Chuck Knox and one unispiring Super Bowl run, the evidence demonstrates quite the contrary.

  22. P. Carroll

    What’s weird to me is how did so many Seahawk trolls get on a Green Bay Packers blog? Reeks of insecurity. Acquire some class and go troll your own boards.

  23. Dan

    Wow packer fans whine like girls. Maybe u should point out the bad call against the Seahawks in that game? God forbid you do that! The self entitlement by packer fans is so hilarious! “We won Super Bowls” is the most irrelevant fact in this trash heap of an article! Packer fans obsessent whining over 1 play is a joke! Maybe you should petition the NFL to have games played in 12 seconds now? I mean… It’s not like the Seahawks owned that whole game! (Sarcasm). I’m sure those 9 sacks played no role? And I’m sure the AWFUL PI call on Kam Chancellor that led packers to only TD ( they’d be punting if refs got the call right) doesn’t count either? It’s hilarious that packer fans are STILL whining about 1 call in 4 weeks of bad calls by the refs, yet refuse to acknowledge their lucky calls! Fact is, it should never have come down to the last play if the refs made the right call on the phantom PI call. Enjoy you whine with that cheese, cheese heads. Keep bringing up irrelevant trash to a topic to make you feel about yourself but the fact is. We were better last year, better this year and so on. At least you can see your Super Bowl trophies displayed in the smithsonian museum with all the other ancient artifacts! Booooo-hooooo

    • Phatgzus

      You certainly were better (Sarcasm herp-a-derp) seeing as you won the Super Bowl, oh wait.

      It was 8 sacks (all in one half); the Seahawks dominated the first half, the Packers ran all over them (literally) in the second.

      You’re right in one as it should never have come down to the final play: 2 opprobrious PI calls and an equally heinous roughing-the-passer on the last drive brought it to that point.

  24. Troy

    Hey that Almost Live guy does have a nw show that shows on Saturday I believe. Its not called Almost Live. I believe it is called the 206. I forgot about that until you mentioned Almost Live.

    Anyways the softball game was for charities and the media made a bigger deal than it should have been. Im sure the Packers players have moved on. Whats really funny is that ESPN is the reason why this got drummed in the beginning because they wanted it to fit the narrative of the terrible replacement refs. Its just like 1998 when Testaverde didnt score but they called a TD anyways and that actually cost the Seahawks the playoffs. It was one game blown out of proportion by ESPN by jumping the gun. Under the rules of the NFL it was the correct call. Realistically the O-PI should have been called (just like almost all hail mary attempts at the end of games). Once the player(s) both had 2 feet on the ground it was dual possession and tie goes to the receiver. It happened and Packers fans do sound bitter about it. It had no outcome (almost did if San Fran loses week 17) on the season and probably rallied the Packers and the Seahawks to have better seasons by creating locker room cohesion.

    This season the Packers and the Seahawks are two of the top three in the NFC and probably will meet in the playoffs. Hopefully more memories (good or bad either way) will be made. Best of luck and by the way most the free world would rather live in Seattle than Green Bay. Now success in football goes to Green Bay every day of the week. Best of luck cheeseheads

  25. Taurean

    You know what i like about this. Seahawk fans living in the past. That call doesn’t mean anything RIGHT NOW! Don’t be crying when you get a call that will cost you a game. Oh wait you already did that in the Super Bowl ;)

    • Dan

      Ummm isn’t most of this conversation talking about the passed? A PACKERS fan wrote this article, not a Seahawks fan. A PACKERS fan talked about the lack of Super Bowls for the Seahawks. A PACKERS fan(s) gloated about all their Super Bowls.

      But Seahawks fans are living in the passed? LOL!!

  26. FITZCORE1252

    I moved out here (Olympia) from gods country in ’07. I can honestly say that hawk fans are the weakest bunch I’ve come across. I work with a bunch of these idiots, and until last year, I never heard them talk about the hawks, but now “they’ve been life long die-hards”, what a joke.

    When the GREEN BAY PACKERS were out here a couple years ago, I obviously attended the game… I was Teed up from the feet up in GREEN BAY PACKERS gear. Nobody, not one bitch ass little hawk fan even gave me the least amount of shit. I was seriously disappointed, but then I remembered, hawk fans are vagitized, tree hugging, libs that don’t have a spine and can’t take a shit until their birkenstock wearing bitch gets out of her prius and tells him it’s ok.

    In closing:

    TROPHY. CASE. FUCK-TARDS.

    • Middle ground

      Stay classy Fitz. I’m glad the majority of Green Bay fans are more civilized and are capable of speaking without the excessive use of profanity. You honestly sound like you’re better suited to be a Raider or Jets fan.

    • Dan

      I think you are 100% full of shit, you just wanna sound all bad ass! If you are at a Seahawks game, screaming shit, talking shit, you arent gonna just be ignored. In fact… I think you are a wuss!

      Since you moved to Washington, then that should make you a tree hugger liberal, right? Oh wait.. You’re besides the rules (sarcasm). Just like you can act how you want in our stadium, no one dares to talk cross you because a man with a piece of cheese on his head is so intimidating! No wonder you live in Olympia, thats a perfect place in the NW a Packer fan to live!

  27. Joe

    Haha. Wow. I wish this had happened during the playoffs. I’d love to see how angry this guy would get at a charity softball game then.

  28. FITZCORE1252

    Almost forgot… E. Wolf, great read, you nailed it. Btw, I picture you as a hundredish year old ex English professor in a cardigan. Close?

  29. JohnX

    Interesting to note here also that the alleged botched “fail mary” play would have been a moot point if the fucking Packers had been able to muster ANY offense. Seahawks “D” owned them the WHOLE game and they could barely get near an end-zone. I was there, so I also VIVIDLY recall Aaron Rodgers getting dumped on his over-rated ass EIGHT times (once by my 90 year old grandmother), and that greasy-long-haired twat Clay Matthews didn’t make a play the whole game. Get over your butt-hurt author. EVEN Aaron Rodgers has gotten over it… and he did it with class and WITHOUT a vitriolic rant attacking players, coaches, fans OR an entire city. Quit gouging that gaping wound with your finger and blaming it on the Seahawks when it doesn’t heal. Get over it baby… or blame the real culprit… your dad and his aggressive abuse of your anus in those formative years.

    • Phatgzus

      Actually, Matthews made a number of plays that game including chasing Wilson to the sidelines and forcing him to throw the ball away at least twice, nice attempt at revisionist history though.

      Of course Rodgers and the rest of the Packers surmounted this opprobrium with class, they are class acts, pure and simple; however, you can bet every last bit of your utterly cock-ravaged ass that it still pisses them off more than any other injustice that has befallen them in the past decade.

  30. I just hope we meet in the playoffs because I’m sick of listening to my neon green friends blather on. You’d think they won the Super Bowl already. I can’t wait for the Niners to smack the shit out of you so maybe you’ll all shut the f#€k up!

  31. #12thMan

    It’s amazing to me how big of a keyboard bitch you can be to STILL TALK ABOUT THIS SHIT. Dig out the tampon you lost during that game and drop it. I seem to remember football fundamentals I learned as a CHILD that if you’re in that kind of situation with the game on the line, as a defender, you DON’T TRY TO GRAB THE BALL. You simply swat it away. The fact that you think that your team is so superior to Seattle cracks me up because if that we’re the case, that play shouldn’t have mattered because you should have been kicking our asses right? I mean, the amount of shit you just talked about Seattle, you should have been beating us by at least several touchdowns. Yet we held you to next to nothing points wise the entire first half. Seattle has never been a dynasty like GB, nor have we won a Super Bowl. But there is one thing that Seattle has over you personally, and that’s the ability to accept defeat when we encounter it and not whine like an overinflated bitch which is what you sound like with this post. I recommend you take a page out of your quarterbacks play book and drop it and continue to prove yourself season after season rather than this diarrhea of the mouth and grow a pair of nuts. I’d be ashamed to have you as a fan of my team, let alone someone who writes for “totalpackers.com”. You are the sole reason Packers fans are laughed at and I now feel slightly dumber for having listened to the crap that just came out of your head and onto Twitter. Even Browns fans don’t have the swollen vagina that apparently you posess.

    • E. Wolf

      Actually, it is your team that chooses to still talk about this. But for that team sanctioned softball event and Lance Easley seeking to capitalize on that, I–and legions of other Packer fans who doubtlessly take similar umbrage to distasteful behavior– would have easily moved on.
      Once again I marvel at the tortured logic you folks engage in to twist the truth. Orwell would be proud.

    • Phatgzus

      “But there is one thing that Seattle has over you personally, and that’s the ability to accept defeat when we encounter it and not whine like an overinflated bitch which is what you sound like with this post”

      I guess you were never instructed not to start a sentence with a conjunction, unless taking artistic liberties, but you don’t appear to be much of a literate, so I’m going to assume you weren’t or you were busy smoking crack with your stripper pal crystal and her abusive boyfriend Donnie in your hoop-d on that day.

      As for Seahawk fans not whining, it is clear you have taken some lessons in the art of sarcasm that or you’re incredibly oblivious or suffer from the same form of hippocampal destruction as “Ten-Second-Ted”, as this is the default response for any Seattle football fan who has ever entered into an argument about the history of success for one’s team

  32. Jason

    E Wolf, The packers had 15 other games they could have used to get in a better position in the playoffs. You’re just a complainer with way too much time on your hands. Knock it off.

  33. Doctor Nick

    It’s a good joke because it resulted in this hilariously butthurt article full of invective over one blown call in a game full of bad calls.

    The funniest thing in this article is all your bluster over how the Packers have history and legend, but the fact remains that you adopted them as your team because the Seahawks weren’t winning at the time. A homer such as yourself would probably have the shoe on the other foot if you still lived in Seattle.

  34. E. Wolf

    Skimming some of these comments by Hawks fans, either commenting it was the right call, or expressing support for how folks have acted even now, all I can say is thank you. Thank you for proving my point further. It is quite obvious I touched a nerve.
    Believe you me, the sting of my words will pale in comparision should we meet in the playoffs. Forty years in and there is no end in sight for the heartache, misery and abject mediocrity that has defined you.

    • Nik

      if anything you made me laugh at how exaggerated and one-sided your point of view is. And if you have to resort to calling another teams uniforms “fugly” you need to get a life and move on. Thanks for the laugh though.

      • E. Wolf

        Uniforms and icons are all–they are what SIGNIFY a team. Our colors, our uniform, and that sacred, illustrious oval G are classic, and will remain unchanged until the end of days. As i wrote, that oval G logo stands like an eternal, undying sun.
        The old Seahawks unis were not great but not tha bad either, and were unique. That you departed so significantly from there, and in the process adopted some of the fugliest unis in sport, further distinguish the great divide that exists between teams like ours and teams like yours. Some teams endure the ages, and remain constant, unchanged. Others ebb and flow with passing fads.

  35. Doctor Nick


    FITZCORE1252:

    When the GREEN BAY PACKERS were out here a couple years ago, I obviously attended the game… I was Teed up from the feet up in GREEN BAY PACKERS gear. Nobody, not one bitch ass little hawk fan even gave me the least amount of shit. I was seriously disappointed, but then I remembered, hawk fans are vagitized, tree hugging, libs that don’t have a spine and can’t take a shit until their birkenstock wearing bitch gets out of her prius and tells him it’s ok.

    So what you’re saying is that Seahawks fans are feminine because they respected your space at a game, and didn’t harass you for rooting for the opposing team. I dunno, that just sounds like mature, adult behavior. Something that a misogynist asshole like yourself wouldn’t know anything about.

  36. Rob Zombie

    I am going to credit GB with having great fans and disregard this atrocity.

    It was a celebrity softball game folks. Meant for charity, not to antagonize. Look at it this way. Find Testaverde helmet TD, that took place at the end of the season to eliminate the Hawks from playoff contention rather than week 3 with 13 weeks to get it back.

    Or maybe we should go to Super Bowl XL.

    • E. Wolf

      One would think betweem that Jets game (which was total bullshit and ushered in instant repaly) and the less clear, questionable calls in that Super Bowl loss (which a superior team would have overcome), you guys would show a little more class.
      Instead of admitting it was a bad call, taking the win from the football gods, you gloat and make light of it. This is really without parallel, because

      1) the call in question is repudiated completely and utterly by INCONTROVERTIBLE photographic evidence. All the pundits, all the analysts have confirmed this. The mania went on for weeks

      2) you make light of it in a *team-sanctioned* event.

      3) you thereby enable that piece of sheet seeking to profit off our misfortune.

      I can only imagine your pukes reaction to the Jets or Steelers doing this. They would not, because these teams actually have some tradition and history (Jets obviously much less so but still at least some), ie something to hang their hat on.

      As Chuck Knox and Steve Largent fade further into distant memory, and as that poor excuse for a Super Bowl appearance–read LOSS!–does not exactly satisfy, *THIS* is all you have. One of the most disgraceful, universally denounced moments in all of sports.
      Makes me want to shout “GO SEAHAWKS” a la Jim Florentine’s Special Ed character.

      • Middle ground

        1) No, it is not. Not at all. In fact, all the photographic, frame by frame evidence, while put in light of the NFL rules shows that Golden Tate did make the catch. Common sense says otherwise, I definitely agree. But by the strict letter of the rules, the correct call was made.

        http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/shame-the-angry-mob-golden-tates-touchdown-was-legit/17706/

        I agree though, a subset of the fanbase here in Seattle needs to learn to class it up a bit.

          • Middle ground

            Tell me again how anyone can have possession of the ball without touching the ground first. As Tate clearly and undeniably contacts the ground first, he is the first person to exhibit control. Furthermore, I direct you to JD’s subsequent post that demolishes Phatzgus’ assertion.

          • Blake

            Just because some Seattle nut job says it was a catch means nothing. Everyone in sports is laughing at the coach and organization for acting like they one the game. What an embarrassment.

          • Phatgzus

            I would like to direct you to my retort and the associated link which provides incontrovertible evidence that both you and JD are incorrect (although I at least have a modicum of respect for JD’s argument, not so much yours).

            As for the article you referenced, it is unequivocally horrendous, I read it months ago and it’s assertions were absolutely laughable, e.g. the second picture in which Jennings’ hands are apparently not on the ball yet their are a pair of yellow gloves directly in front of his face that are wrapped around the ball, I wonder who those hands belong to? Must be Jesus’.

            As for your contention of who was on the ground first, that is in no way relevant to this instance. Additionally, you appear to be conflating control with possession, not the same entity, sorry, thanks for playing but it’s time for our next contestant.

      • Hi EWolf,

        The only thing that made this play an “awful call” was the missed OPI on Tate. The explanation is that its never called on Hail Marys, is not valid. It’s a penalty, or its not.

        But you and other Packers fans don’t have the honesty and integrity on this issue that you claim Seahawks fans lack. Any official in the corner of the endzone who saw this view, with Tate having hands on the ball and feet on the ground, with Jennings’ feet still up in the air, and therefore not having all of the necessary elements for an INT, cannot possibly be as bad a call as Packers fans claim.

        http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/180et81kpehp1jpg/original.jpg

        The Packers and their fans love to blame their entire 2012 season on this play, because then you don’t have to be accountable for the two smackdowns administered to you by the 49ers. Or the choke job to Indianapolis. Or not even bothering to show up in the Meadowlands. Or your defense shaming themselves against the Vikings in week 17. No, much better to blame Golden Tate for the 2012 failures of the Packers, instead of admitting it was all of the above games that did it.

        And if I’m a Packers fan, the cute small town team that’s publicly owned, I think I deserve every single tough call in my favor, and will shamelessly accept them. Which is why I will lecture Seahawks fans on being classless about their attitudes on the Tate-Jennings play. But I will revel in my last Super Bowl, while ignoring the refs who put my team in the playoffs in the first place that season by not counting TWO valid TDs scored by the Vikings. If those plays are ruled correctly, no Wild Card for the Pack, and no Super Bowl. But if I’m a Packers fan, I’ll never admit that!

        Or the following season, when we hosted the Giants in the divisional round. If I’m a Packers fan, the absolute screw job the refs attempted on the Giants doesn’t matter, because my team insisted on playing a MISERABLE game at home, and were therefore beyond any help from any officiating crew.

        And if I’m a Packers fan, I’ll still whine about Lance Easley and Golden Tate, while enjoying the refs screwing the Bears in Soldier Field. Hey, I think they just penalized Alshon Jeffrey for OPI yet again!

        No, because I’m a fan of an “original franchise”, I deserve every call, such as these. And when a call goes against me, I’m going to act like the refs just shot my dog. Because I have the same smug, entitled attitude that Aaron Rodgers has. So EWolf, take that attitude and stick it!

        And for those of you who tried to start fights against Seahawks fans in the Kingdome in 1996, just for having the audacity to support and cheer for their home team, I hope you had the miserable time at last year’s game that you so rightfully deserved!

        • Phatgzus

          You have no grasp of the rules involved regarding the “Fail Mary” so I’m not going to bother elucidating the for you but if you’d like to learn something about the governing body of the game so as to not present yourself as a nescient vulgarian, ill refer you to mine and JD’s depart beginning some 60 replies prior.
          The Vikings game was different on many levels, the most salient being the Vikings had an opportunity to adjust their ge plan in order to remedy those errors, the Packers has ko such opportunity. the Vilings could have also challenged one of those calls and likely had it reversed but failed to do so; the Packers were afforded a replay do to the replay rules vis a vis disputable calls occurring within thenlast 2 minutes of halves but were still deprived of justice.
          The first 2 PI calls on Jeffrey were entirely legitimate as he egregiously shoved the CB each time, this set up the final PI as he had lost benefit of the doubt even though it should have been a no-call it was not nearly as repugnant of a call as the missed OPI and subsequent TD call on the “Fail Mary”.

  37. Rob Zombie

    Don’t worry Packer fans, we all know how awesome GB is and how great you are as fans. I just hope some day that we Seahawk fans can be as entitled as you are.

    At least the Hawks can beat the Niners at home, well heck… they beat everyone at home don’t they

  38. Hahahaha, oh man, your story is priceless. You bought some stickers and picked out the one you liked the best. I don’t think I’ve ever heard a more inane reason to become a fan of a team in my life. Forget rooting for the team that represents the area that you grew up in, instead become a fan for fashion reasons. Fans like you are the ultimate joke. I have no problem with real Packer fans being mad about the catch, if it was my team I’d probably be pissed too. Just like I was pissed about the officiating in Superbowl XL and the Testaverde Touchdown in 1998 that brought back instant replay. But you’re not a real Packer fan, you’re just a joke of man that grew from a joke of a boy who hopped on a bandwagon as a kid. People like you could never be real fans. You’re probably a Bulls fan too, or a Lakers fan, or some other team that had already won several championships before you even knew what the sport was. There’s thousands of Heat ‘fans’ that have never even been within 500 miles of Miami, these little nerds are just like you. Have fun filling up with pride about championships that you had absolutely NothinG to do with.

    • E. Wolf

      I only follow football. I like the Cubs but thats a lost cause. Also like the Tigers for an American League team.
      I don’t give two shits what you think. I was instantly attracted to the Packers from my first memory of learnng about them.
      In some ways I am more of a fan because I made the choice to love this team, wholly independnt from local or familial upbringing. And there are hundreds of thousands like me The Pack are not a local fanbase, like the Seahawks or Brewers or whatever else. There are fans everywhere across the nation–and indeed the globe, from Germany to Australia. One guy moved from the latter to Green bay because he fell in love with this team.

  39. Cyrano Writer

    This is sad. Think of the missed opportunity.
    I’m a 5th generation Cheesehead (Milwaukeean). My dad and grandpa were at the Ice Bowl. So I will always bleed Green and Gold.
    But in 1987 I moved to Kirkland/Seattle. I always went to the Wingdome in my Gold and Green, but the ‘Hawks became my “second team” (although I loved screaming in my ‘hood as Al picked 6 from Matt in the OT!).
    And in Seattle fans’ defense, EVERYONE at the Wingdome, after the “Fail Mary” (which my daughter attended in full Packer/Cheesehead garb) … said “You wuz ROBBED”.
    Here’s your missed opportunity… why not like them both? Wilson (A Badger) is legit. The Seahawks fans are loyal, even in failure…
    and my oldest son (a ‘Hawks fan) will always have a place at our table, with his 3 siblings (who are Packer Backers), his Dad and Grandpa, even if he does cheer for the ‘Hawks.
    Because, at the end of the day, all you have to remember is this simple truth:
    “The Bears … still … suck!”

    • Phatgzus

      I don’t like the Seahawks because of Pete Carroll, he is a pompous cheat who believes he is above rules and regulations, who is loyal only to himself (look at the state he left USC in, he only left because he knew that the program would be debilitated for years), and to top it off, he attempts to fool the masses into believing he is a “good guy” with that chesire cat smile. Sorry Petey, but I’ve read me some Lewis Carroll, I know what that cat’s all about. I believe he is the Josef Stalin of football, perhaps an excessive argumentum ad Stalinum yes, but there are similarities to both regimes undoubtedly, specifically the forced impression of upright leadership and the media’s willingness to obfuscate the heinous opprobrium they created.

      Additionally I have no respect for Golden Tate or fellow bag of hot air Brandon Browner.

      I do, however, like Marshawn Lynch and Sherman, both are beasts and I find Sherman to be quite comical; Wilson is alright.

  40. OP is so right! My packers should have won the SuperBowl!!! Seahawks fans should be so embarassed because their team has never won anything LOL! Packers own Seahawks every year (all time we’re 10-6! see we always win) Seahawks are such a disgrace omg lol just like OP said “a DNA chromosome in the history of the NFL” OP is so smart and his butthole is definitely not sore :)

  41. Middle ground

    One thing that is often overlooked in this whole incident. It brought the real refs back. It took a ridiculously questionable call that went against a team with an amazing amount of pedigree to get the NFL to realize how much the replacement refs were killing the game.

    I’m sorry Green Bay had to be the victim in this case, I really am. But it’s not like they didn’t get a whole bunch of horrible calls that went in their favor that night. And 8 sacks against Aaron Rodgers, come on. Only scoring 12 points and crying about losing isn’t a very strong case, either.

    In the end, I wish Green Bay much success (as long as it doesn’t come at the expense of my Seahawks.) :)

    • Phatgzus

      Also overlooked in this mess is that the packers were given a kicker’s ball (which is harder and much slicker, ergo much more difficult to throw or carry) on their failed two-point attempt.

      “But it’s not like they didn’t get a whole bunch of horrible calls that went in their favor that night.”

      That doesn’t mitigate the odiousness of the final blown call in any way.

      “And 8 sacks against Aaron Rodgers.”

      Yup, that’s a ton is awful, they also all occurred during the first half. Second half-0 sacks, that is excellent.

  42. Shawn Iltarion

    I think I speak for all reasonable Packer fans when I say-

    Huh? What? The Packers lost to the Seahawks last year? Was it in the playoffs? Did it stop the Packers from making the playoffs?

    Then who gives a shit?

    Let’s move on.

  43. Don Q

    I can guarantee that most of these buttfucks posing as Seahawk fans are actually Viking fans and a few Bears fans. Fuck em!

  44. RolandDeschain

    Tell you what, Packers fans. We’ll let you have that win @ Seattle (despite not deserving it for allowing 8 sacks in the first half) if you give back your Lombardi from a couple of years ago.

    You guys had the refs blow MULTIPLE touchdown calls in your game against the Vikings, without which you wouldn’t have made the playoffs that year, which led to a Super Bowl win.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/25/league-admits-to-two-touchdown-errors-in-sunday-night-game/

    ^ Proof’s in the pudding. Whatcha say? Hand over that Lombardi, and you can win in Seattle so you could have let Kaepernick run for 600 yards in Green Bay instead of San Francisco?

    • Phatgzus

      The fact of the matter is, the refs indeed blew 2 calls; however, the Vikings could have challenged one and had it overturned. The Packers meanwhile, indeed had a replay review and were still robbed, on the last play of the game, whereas the Vikings’ lost TD was in the middle of the game, adjustments were made accordingly, the Packers had no opportunity for such adjustment as the blown call (which was the coda to at least four additional terrible calls that game) ended the game.

      The situations are similar but not congruous, and thus, incomparable.

      • Phatgzus

        Additionally, I have never witnessed a single Packer fan gloating over the game as a great multitude of Seahawk trolls enjoy doing.

  45. YourBlogSucks

    Grow up. Get a job. Get a hobby. Get a girlfriend. Get a life. Find some other outlet for your pathetic, impotent, pouty butthurt. You’re embarrassing yourself

    P.S. I sincerely hope you don’t get paid to write this middle-school drivel. If you do, and whoever pays you is reading this: Whatever you’re paying this child is too much.

    • Phatgzus

      If you were writing like this in middle school I would expect you to have contributed something worthy od consideration in any of the literary Canons of the world. Please, afford me your pen name and I will gladly your magnum opus.

  46. E. Wolf


    Middle ground:

    Tell me again how anyone can have possession of the ball without touching the ground first. As Tate clearly and undeniably contacts the ground first, he is the first person to exhibit control. Furthermore, I direct you to JD’s subsequent post that demolishes Phatzgus’ assertion.

    No. Just, NO!

    • Middle ground

      Don’t care to comment about what JD says? Fair enough, shut out facts that don’t fit your narrative. I wish Green Bay the best of luck in the coming years, I’m sure our teams will cross paths in the playoffs a few times in the future. And if you do come back to Seattle, I’d be more than happy to buy you a beer at the Mustard Seed. From one fan to another, because at the end of the day, we’re both humans, even if we don’t see eye to eye on this subject.

      • Phatgzus

        I beseech you read both my refutations to JD, watch and analyze the highlighted segments of the linked video, and then proceed to present a logical retort that invalidates my assertions whilst harmonizing with the rules expounded in the NFL Playbook.

  47. Nick

    Someone should tell the writer that football is a game, and he shouldn’t take it so seriously. It’s a game. It’s meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

    Vitriol of this caliber should be reserve for elected officials that are ruining this country one awful piece of legislation at a time, criminals that commit unspeakable acts of horror/violence, etc. Not football.

    Grow up, E. Wolf.

    • Phatgzus

      Technically, isn’t everything meaningless in the Grand Scheme?As the Sun will eventually expand and consume the Earth or get so near to it that it will scorch everything to the very core, making life impossible; or will eventually burn out and condense into a miniature Schwarzschild Body still powerful enough to endure the dual task of subsuming and atomizing the solar system whilst simultaneously removing the system’s ultimate fuel source by the very process of it’s formation.

      Even if humans have at that point managed to escape the solar system or galaxy and have found a suitable new planet (a dauntingly gargantuan task) and have the potential to so in any local in the Cosmos, it is highly likely that the Universe will rapidly expand until, ultimately, it creates an irremediable tear in the space-time fabric, creating a Schwarzschild Body so massive that it will be capable of obliterating all that exists for eternity, or at least condense the entire universe into a single point ultimately causing another Big Bang that produces another iteration of the Universe. Even the same “Wes” exist in this Universe, it will ultimately end in the same fate as its progenitor, and this process shall continue ad infinitum, ergo ultimately rendering all that exists, the process itself included, meaningless.

  48. Josh M

    This is hilarious. That someone so angry and insecure has to rant and complain about a CHARITY softball game. This ref was unfairly singled out and destroyed publicly for a bad call. These guys were thrown in a tough situation, so if you have anyone to be angry at it should be the NFL. Also, to take personal shots at Seattle just shows how classless you are. I hate fans like you who take the game way too seriously. Seriously, grow the hell up. And you mentioned home field advantage.. We did you a favor and beat the 49ers to put you in front for home field advantage, but your shitty defense (you may have forgotten that teams still have to play defense) couldnt hold down the Adrian Peterson and the Vikings to secure home field advantage. And saying Joe Webb revealed your weakness? It was already part of San Francisco’s play book.. You guys not preparing for it is your fault and your fault alone. Sad…just sad.

  49. Someone lose thier binky?

    E Wolf needs a life and a little perspective on what is important. Important like a charity softball game that raised thousands of dollars for some needy charities.

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  52. FITZCORE1252

    Middle Ground? Really? So you’re the Switzerland of this piece and you’re wanting to be taken seriously? Not happening scrub.

    Yaaawn, I’ve grown tired of rubbing elbows with the have-nots, this bores me. Good luck in Seattle this year, I can’t wait to see if they live up to the hype, I surely am not counting on it.

    One last thing:

    Trophy. Case. Fuck. Tards.

  53. HATEWI

    You Fudge Packer fans crapped all over Favre who won you Super Bowls. You should all go and EFFE yourselves. What a bunch of Wisconsin scum bags who have nothing better to do then eat snow. Losers in a loser state!

  54. Kent

    Yeah I would go with the decaff, and on Aug 23rd, you can watch the Hawks take on the Packers.
    Until then this Seahawk fan Wishes the Packers the best this year. Thanks for taking one for the team last year. That call sucked, but it got rid of the replacement refs. (The Big Picture) For that the football nation thanks the Packers.

  55. Blake

    What is most classless about the Seattle fans and football organization is their open arm man hug of the loser of a ref. It makes the organization look like they were in on the joke of a call. What a classless organization and coach. Pete Carole was a classless coach in College and he has brought it to Seattle. So sad.

  56. Rusty Trombone

    Why is this still an issue? It was a game at the beginning of the season. The facts are that the Packers weren’t good enough. The game was dominated by the Seahawks and the Packers didn’t deserve to win the game regardless of the call. The Author needs to leave it alone, he truly sounds pathetic and is a horrible reflection of Packer fans. Sad really, it’s summer… go outside and get a tan instead of sitting inside breaking down game tapes (or in this case focusing on one play when that game was clearly dominated by Seattle).

    • E. Wolf

      Why is ths stilll an issue. Read Blake’s post. Your organiation chose to make light of this by making that piece of shit a guest of honor.
      I was prepared to leave it alone until that specien of subhuman vermin–who deserves a truly horrific painful death–chose to capitalize on his malfeasance.
      Your hawks only dominated the first half. I am really proud of our how Packers fought to stay in the game, and turned the tide in the second half.
      As my articule originally outlines the reasn you people act this way is becauseof your terrible history. You have nothing else to cling to. You area bad joke, a running punch linein Seattle and indeed the entire NFL.

  57. 12th Man

    Bunch of whiners, get the hell over it, it was a regular season game. It’s not like it was a Super Bowl or anything…morons.

  58. Floyd Church

    Sorry if you were misled by illiterates who haven’t read, or otherwise can’t comprehend, the rules that determine when/whether a catch is made. Three words: “two feet down.” And, mourning your righteous victory because you didn’t get a little yellow flag is even more pathetic.

    The Packers have a great franchise and team and I’m sure there’s a lot of folks who, like you, who have glommed onto them for a boost. But, I grew in Seattle like you did and have watched the Seahawks struggle over the years. The difference between you and me is I’m not a turncoat.

  59. Bswizzy

    Mr Wolf:
    Well done on getting the publicity that you wanted. You’re like the news organizations that blow everything out of proportion so people will tune into you. Well, it worked, congratulations. Too bad you look more like a 3 year old child in the process.
    You do realize that the game you’re referring to was a regular season game and the Packers did make the playoffs, right? It is sad to me when people blame failure on the actions of others. The Packers did not miss out on the Super Bowl because of the blown call in week 4. Please. The Packers did not play well in the playoffs, bottom line. You have every right to be upset during week 4 of last year’s season, but maybe you should move on with your life?

    BTW, I actually like the Packers more than the Seahawks, but your rant is just sad, ridiculous, and makes you look pathetic. I hope you are able to move on soon.

    • E. Wolf


      Bswizzy:

      Mr Wolf:

      . ..
      Too bad you look more like a 3 year old child in the process.
      You do realize that the game you’re referring to was a regular season game and the Packers did make the playoffs, right? It is sad to me when people blame failure on the actions of others. The Packers did not miss out on the Super Bowl because of the blown call in week 4. Please. The Packers did not play well in the playoffs, bottom line. You have every right to be upset during week 4 of last year’s season, but maybe you should move on with your life?
      BTW, I

      First, three years old do not write in a manner that showcases a classical education. I do, so you are wrong on that.
      As to the rest of your inane blather, I address all your points in my original article. I never said they would win Super Bowl. Nor however can you say they would not have with a first round bye hosting the wild card winner the week before, particularly without the Joe Webb footage that Harbaugh masterfully orchestrated his game plan around. No one knows what would have happened. Maybe we would have lost against the Texans or Saints because of lessened urgency. What IS totally and competely beyond dispute is that this result colored the post season position of BOTH TEAMS.
      I further direct you to my most recent comment. Again, I was perfectly prepared to move on. Lance Easlery and the Seahawks are not. The prior is preyng off our misfortune, the latter are making light of it. For this, all concerned incur my enmity and scorn.

      • Someone lose thier binky?

        I guess you don’t realize the Seahawks had nothing to do with the event.

        It does not take a genius to see that you have some serious life issues to be this bitter and dedicate so much time to ranting.

        • E. Wolf

          These events are team-sanctioned. Don’t believe me? Suppose one of these players had a lap-dance for charity super spectacular, which would be in similarly bad taste I might add. The front office of any team would veto it. So these are team-sanctioned events.

      • Floyd Church

        Yes, I agree you’re more verbose than a three year old, but, substantively, comparable. Lots of whining on display here.

  60. GIChamp

    You’re literally wishing a “horrific, painful death” on someone…over a bad call in a football game. You’re sick.

    • E. Wolf

      Not for a bad football game. For daring to call himself a Christian while he attempts to capitalize on your misfortune. As I wrote in another comment, I hope a tanker overturns while he is driving on a freeway, subjecting him, and him alone, to horrile, gruesome burns all over his body, searing and further deforming his already ugly face.
      But yeah, I am sick. I went out for drinks to celebrate when Jacko died. Everyone else was so sad, notwithstanding the guy was a pedophile and all around freak whose compulsion for stange plastic surgery made him look like a cross between Skeletor and an ugly white woman.

  61. Dan

    And Packers fans wanting to talk about all their championships is FUNNY!! You are comparing a team (Packers) that started playing in 1919 independently, then joining the National Pro Football league in 1921 (NFL later), then merged with the AFL IN 1970 to form the current modern day version of the NFL…. And you’re comparing a team that came into existence in 1976 in the NFL!

    Thats like running a 5 mile race and getting a 4 mile head start from your opponent, THEN calling your opponent slow.

    Your OLD teams from decades past has ZERO to do with today. Sure, in the modern day you won Super Bowls, but if the Seahawks or any team had been around since 1919 they’d have Super Bowls! I’m not impressed with your history because you did what you were suppose to do in 94 years of existence. You have a richer passed but thats because your team is the oldest team in the league! Use some common sense when comparing the 2 franchises!

    • E. Wolf

      Man you are slow. I made the comparison to try and understand WHY the Seahawks and fans act this way, in comparison to how things would be if the tables were somehow reversed. NO FUCKING WAY–NOT A COLD DAY IN HELL–would Murphy or McCarthy ever allow a player t pull this srt of stunt at the Donald Drive softball game. Of course about the only player I could even conceive of doing someting like that would be Jermichael Finley, but I doubt even that.
      HIstory does matter. It shapes your identity, and molds your consciousness. In other words,, there is a REASON why you people cling to this, gloat about iy, make light of it. You have nothing else, except the very brief Knox-Largent era, a piss poor Super Bowl run and Almost Live. Hun fun, sluppies!

      • Dan

        What is “acting this way”? If anything its Seahawks fans who have moved on from this, but Packers fans seem to have a hard time moving on from 1 game last year in week 3. You wanna reverse roles, WE HAVE, its called Super Bowl 40. We complained and blamed the refs BUT no one was ripping the Steelers organization because they had nothing to do with the bad calls. We had blogs, message boards and other methods to complain about the refs but we got over it. Seems like the Packers fans simply can’t get over 1 call that happened in a regular season game.

        Would Murphy and McCarthy allow this to happen? You don’t know if they would or wouldnt. 1) This isnt a team event. 2) IF they had a say in it, why would they say no when they’re under the premise and belief that it was the right call? 3) WHO CARES!

        This was 1 game in a 16 game season. This was 1 play in a series of questionable calls in the 3 weeks the replacement refs were used for all teams. I can sit here and argue whether this 1 call was right or not, but it doesnt matter. There were bad calls that impacted the game on both sides. In the end it evens out.

        History matters in a nice little story, but today it has no effect on any particular team, its players, and the way they will play next week, next month, next year, next decade because the organization won a championship 80-90 years ago. The only people clinging to this 1 play are the ones in Green Bay. People will look back in another 80-90 years and not even remember this play. Maybe Packers fans.

        We might not have a Super Bowl but in our short history theres been some great moments. Belittling another team who’s been around a fraction of the time just shows how self-entitled you Packer fans feel. Yes we don’t have a Super Bowl, we were one of the best teams in the 2000’s. Not the best, but its not like we were the Browns, Jags, Texans, or other teams who are usually always bad. We had some really good years in the 80’s, some in the 90’s. All you know about the Seahawks is “they haven’t won a Super Bowl or championship”. Well the Seahawks werent playing in 1919 when there were only a handful of teams to compete against, thus odds of winning a championship was much easier. Chicago and Green Bay have 30 pre Super Bowl era. Pre Super Bowl era isnt the same as todays style of football. Sure, you won with Favre and Rodgers, you get credit for that because its modern day, but comparing a team that came into existence in 1919 to a team that came into the league in 1976 is like comparing a banana to a tire.

        Vince Lombardi isn’t gonna help the Packers week 1 of the 2013 season. Our lack of Super Bowls isn’t gonna help the Seahawks week 1 of the 2013 season. You cant compare the 2 organizations because their history and circumstances are completely different.

        • E. Wolf

          Once again, sluppy, it was your players and fans, who organized and participated in that softball game.

          • Dan

            Oh no they participated in a softball game that raised over 100,000 dollars for charity!! How dare them and the damn fans and players who gave money to those charities!

            It wasnt just Seahawks players BTW. One of the classiest players in the NFL participated. Larry Fitzgerald. Players from other teams also participated. It is really funny to see how angry fans get when they don’t agree with something. They think the whole world should feel their pain and if anyone doesn’t, damn them all! But like this CHARITY softball game that raised 100,000 DOLLARS, no one will ever apologize for that. I and other fans won’t apologize for seeing our team get a win either. You wouldnt, and don’t say you’d act different if the shoe was on the other foot because you wouldnt.

    • the real russ letlow

      thats some good history for a non packers fan. But the argument is lame. The Bears are actually the oldest team in the NFL (Chicago Staleys), and they have 9 NFL Champioships, but only one Super Bowl win. The Detroit Lions have been around since 1934 and have 4 NFL Championships (none since 1957) but zero Super Bowls. The team west of Wisconsin has been around for 53 years and has been to 4 Super Bowls but lost them all. The Steeers have been in the league since 1933, suffered through 4 winning seasons in 38 years and then won its SBs all after 1972. The Cleveland Browns joined the NFL in 1950, won championships in 50, 54, 55 & 64, but never have played in a Super Bowl. Any team that has been in the league for at least 13 years technically has had the opportunity to win as many championships as the Packers. Seattle has been in the league for 37 seasons and hasn’t won a championship yet. Thats a lot of opportunites. By comparison, after 37 seasons in the NFL, the Packers had 6 championships. History does mean something to this league. They are the men who paved the way for today’s game. The SB trophy is named after a man who died over 40 years ago – thats the history of the NFL. The Green Bay Packers stock sales in 1923, 1935, 1950, 1997 and 2011 is NFL history. The Packers 13 championships are NFL history. Ray Nitschke, Gale Sayers, Sammy Baugh and Don Meredith are NFL history. You can’t separate the old and the new. The past and the present. They are attached and will remain so. It is the rich history of the NFL. your argument has no merit.

      • Dan

        Well excuse me if I mispoke. Point is GB has been around very long. So what Seattle has been to 1 Super Bowl going 0-1? The 49ers didnt even go to a Super Bowl until 35 years after their existence, now they’re 5 for 6.

        If you wanna compare the old Packers within 37 years, how many teams in the league were there? What was the quality of their opponents? Unlike todays game where theres more parody, theres not as much parody in the league today. Certainly not as many opponents. You wanna brag about 94 years of great players, give us another 60 years we’ll have our great players to add to our well known greats like Easley, Largent, Kennedy, Jones, Warner, etc etc… I’m not gonna go brag to a Texans or Jags fan because my team has more great players, and more overall success because we’ve been around longer, so I can be objective and use logic when comparing entities. If my argument has no merit then logically yours doesnt either since its not a tangible comparison. We all didnt come into the same league, the same year, with as many chances of succeeding as your team. If you want to compare tangible histories go find a Bears fan since they have been in the league the same years as your team. Arguing history with a fan of a team who compared to most of the NFL is young, is not a apple vs apple argument. So this whole comparison has no merit.

        • the real russ letlow

          you are right Dan. you shouldn’t have brought up a subject you can’t defend. and you have no respect for history.

          • Dan

            Exactly what am I not defending? Are we talking about teams histories? Its not hard to understand a team that started playing in 1919 verse a team that started playing in 1976 is going to have different histories, and obviously the team that started playing in 1919, in a smaller league with no parody will have more success then a team that started playing in 1976. Thats 57 years before the Seahawks organization was even created! Packers have had some horrible teams in their 94 years. Seahawks have had some horrible teams in their 37 years. Its trivial to compare a team that has 57 more years of history. And I do respect history, its just irrelevant in this blog post.

        • Phatgzus

          I disagree with you, there is very little parody in the NFL these days, really the only parodies I’ve noticed i, the past decade are those of the contemporary Jacksonville Jaguars, 2011’s Indianapolis Colts, and the 0-16 Detroit Lions, both teams seem to be presenting a football pastiche of the Bad News Bears (TM).

          As for parity, it has likely never abounded in such a manner is it has in the league in the past 5 years.

        • Phatgzus

          If it is not an “apples to apples” comparison, then it is still a comparison of the cultivar, perhaps something along the lines of apples to apple blossoms.

          A more accurate and preferrable comparison then, may be one between the ratio’s of championship victories to years extant. In this juxtaposition, the Packers have won 13 in 94 years, that is an approximate rate of victory of 1 every 7.23 years, that is the Packers have won 13.8% of all championships since their inception; the Seahawks have won 0 championships in 37 years of existance, a Championship Victory Percentage of 0%.

          If you’d prefer an even more “accurate” comparison, let us analyze the Packers’ win percentage during the Super Bowl Era. During this period, the denizens of Titletown, U.S.A. have won 4 Super Bowls in 47 years, which breaks down to 1 Super Bowl every 11.75 years, or a Super Bowl Victory Percentage of 8.5%. Significantly lower but still quite superlative, and (literally) infinitely better than the Seahawks’ Super Bowl Victory Percentage of 0%.

          With that, I leave you with a single query:

          How do you like them apples?

        • Phatgzus

          Addendum:

          In order to match the Packers’ Super Bowl Victory Percentage, the Seahawks would have to reach and win in 4 of the next 7 years, an egregiouslessly daunting task in this era of parity (or should I say parody). Only three teams have ever achieved such levels of domination: the San Fransisco 49ers, the Pittsburgh Steelers, aaaaand (drumroll please) the Green Bay Packers of Lambeau Field. Each of these three teams accomplished this Herculean effort in eras of “lesser parity”.

          Additionally, in order to equal the Packers’ success over 94 years of existance, the Seattle Seahawks would have to be victorious in 13 of the next 57 years, a Super Bowl Victory Percentage of 22.8% (BTW if you haven’t as of yet discerned the meaning of a SBVP, it’s the ratio of seasons ending in a victory in the Super Bowl divided by the total number of seasons in which the team had the opportunity to do so).
          This is an unthinkably possible level of sustained excellence.

      • Phatgzus

        Daaaaaaaaammmmnn! Mr. Letlow layin’ ’em low. That’s some damn cogent, eloquent shit, sir; props to you good fellow.

        • the real russ letlow

          the history of the NFL is cool, but I love the history of the Packers. I know a lot of it, but I am always looking to learn more. It is an awesome story, one that will never be repeated in professional sports. The Packers RULE! GO PACK GO!!!

          • Phatgzus

            Damn straight and the history is why I live them so much. the Packers and the Red Sox-unequivocally my 2 favorite sports teams- both original mbers of their respective sports with great histories of success and failure, (to paraphrase the late great Jim McKay) thrilling victories and agonizing defeats, what more could you ask for?

  62. pasparr

    Get over it. Everyone(with any sense) agrees with you about “The Call” Seattle will never have the tradition and history that you have in Green Bay. Before we had a team most people in Seattle were fans of your team. And alot still are. You are Americas Team, not Dallas so just relax.

  63. Rusty Trombone


    E. Wolf:

    Why is ths stilll an issue. Read Blake’s post. Your organiation chose to make light of this by making that piece of shit a guest of honor.
    I was prepared to leave it alone until that specien of subhuman vermin–who deserves a truly horrific painful death–chose to capitalize on his malfeasance.
    Your hawks only dominated the first half. I am really proud of our how Packers fought to stay in the game, and turned the tide in the second half.
    As my articule originally outlines the reasn you people act this way is becauseof your terrible history. You have nothing else to cling to. You area bad joke, a running punch linein Seattle and indeed the entire NFL.

    I’m a Pack fan, and as a true cheesehead I have to say that you are just making yourself look like a moron. Bad calls on both sides, with out a key (horrible) PI call on 4th down we wouldn’t even been in the game when we did score.

    Also, it was one game. This would have been an non-issue had we won more of the other games, or even the last against week ass Joe Webb.

    STOP MAKING US LOOK BAD!!!

  64. Dan


    pasparr:

    Get over it. Everyone(with any sense) agrees with you about “The Call” Seattle will never have the tradition and history that you have in Green Bay. Before we had a team most people in Seattle were fans of your team. And alot still are. You are Americas Team, not Dallas so just relax.

    Speak for yourself. While most Packer fans arent from Wisconsin, not most fans in Seattle were Packers fans. And we DO have history and will add to it. History doesnt stop, you’re always making history today and tomorrow.

    • Blake

      No you are right, death is a bit much for an organization and fan-base that has openly embraced and celebrated the horrible call. I lived in Seattle and would have thought the organization would have more class. I guess I was wrong. The only thing Packer fans want is for Seattle, the organization, the fans and that A$$ of a scab ref to shut up, go away and have a little class.

      • Dan

        Openly celebrated a call? No openly celebrated a WIN at the last moments. I don’t know what you mean by “more class”? Is the organization suppose to act like they lost? When bad calls are made by refs do teams mourn? I don’t get the logic. The Seahawks organization is doing what any team would do when winning, noneless a last second win. If the team thought they should have lost and acted the way they did, then that would be classless but under the premiss of winning they did what any team in any sport would have done after WINNING. Celebrating.

        Is the ref Lance Easley suppose to just crawl under a rock and die? No. He said he did the event because of the charity which raised OVER 100,000 dollars! He also said if the Packers were having a similar event for charity he’d do it. Agree with the call or not but a man isn’t suppose to leave his house because of a call in a SPORTS GAME? Its just sports! The softball game by Sherman with many Seahawks, other players like T.O, Larry Fitzgerald, etc raised over 100,000 dollars for charity. THATS CLASS!

          • Dan

            Hey look, I’m a troll now! When one can’t defend their stance they resort to name calling, which “troll” is the most common. YOU brought it up, defend yourself or let it be. I can call you names too, but thats to childish. I prefer to talk football. I guess you don’t

  65. wangster

    Wow, are GB packer fans still upset over one questionable call that occurred almost a year ago? LOL. I guess the Packers would rather think about the past than look forward to the future. In Seattle, we have our eyes on the prize.

    Keep hatin!

  66. E. Wolf

    Re Dan’s this and that talk about raising 100,000 dollars. That is chump change to these guys. I am not impressed. In any case, making light of the misfortune this buffoon caused to my team iis not necessary towards that end.
    Maybe you don’t get it. The Packers are not just a game. They are a very important, if not the most imporant part of my life. And I know I am not alone on this.
    I don’t give a two shits about 100,000 in charity when compared to Green Bay Packers Footall.
    Indeed, I would suggest the Pack is more important than life or death. I hear about some car accident, or some murder, it really does not affect me. I could really care less. On the other hand, I live and die with this team.
    So if somehow the life of some anonymous average person lay in the balance of the Packers not succeeding–sorry but even human life is not as important to me as the Pack. In other words, making light, poking at the misfortune and injustice suffere by team is a far more weightly matter than a piddly 100,000 dollars in charity, or, in my view, charity as a whole.
    Now go fume at the mouth wth feigned outrage you miserable, subhuman vermin.

    • Dan

      LOL 100 grand is chump change to charities?! You don’t need to be impressed, I am though. Thats a lot of money to needy people, dismissing it as “chump change” just shows your level of intellect.

      Its hilarious how you take things so personal! No one in Seattle cares that much to make the Packers fans mad. It was a CHARITY softball game for god sakes! LOL!

      Packers are part of yours and other fans lives, Seahawks are part of my life and many other fans. Ive missed 1 game in almost 2 decades, win or lose I’m there. Ive seen bad calls, I’ve seen great moments, horrible moments but either way I’m always there. I do have perspective unlike yourself. A football game is more important to you then sick, needy children in need of charity. You think football is more important then the horrible things that go on in this world every day. And you’d rather see someone die, then see your team lose? This is very sad! You are a bad human being! Your comments show you have no morals, and care about so one except yourself! I LOVE my team but I have morals and priorities and know whats really important in life. I almost feel bad for you if you weren’t such a dipshit!

      I should go fume at the mouth wth feigned outrage, I’m a miserable, subhuman vermin? LOL! The thing is.. I’m NOT mad, you are, and its funny because you can’t control what you write. I’m laughing at you! Your perspective on life is subhuman, and you are the trash that gets stuck to the bottom of the can when its empty! Do people really like you on this board? In real life? In your family? Hope your “intelligence” isnt genetic!

      • E. Wolf

        If I diid not offend your sensibilites you would spew forth so much verbal diaherra.
        Please take care not to lecture me. I don’t give a fuck what you think. In fact, that you express such disapproval demonstrates to me I am on the right track.

        Mit Kuessen,

        E. Wolf

          • Dan

            I’m sure you don’t give a fuck. Thats the kind of douche you are! Only think you have demonstrated is your hate filled rant of a post and its funny and sad how football is more important then real life problems. Ive got my priorities straight, you have all kinds of fucked up priorities, if you are like that then so be it but don’t punish all of us because of your lack of depth in real world issues. You are miserable with life, I’m almost sorry for you

  67. GIChamp

    You are beyond reason and without perspective. Someday you’ll realize there are real misfortunes in the world. Hopefully you’re decent enough to feel shame about this when you do. I pity you.

  68. Just had to chime in and say what a horribly retarded article this was, Please promptly kill yourself and fuck off from this world.

    • the real russ letlow

      you should probably have suggested the latter first and the former second, so as to be more “do-able”. shame, shame……

    • Dan

      Roddy White, is that you? Nah, he shouldnt kill himself, lets not stoop to his level, we have more class then that!

    • the real russ letlow

      hey Dan,, that post was like #195, dude and that’s like history now, and , you know, like you said, history is irrelevant in this blog, so, you know,………………. GPS.

      • Dan

        As I complete this post, it will be history. You can play word games all you like, this post is history once you read it. Therefore it much not matter…

        • Phatgzus

          That’s not why it doesn’t matter Danny boy; “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

          P.S. You sir are a hoser.

  69. Dan

    How can you people read what E Wolf writes on a regular basis?! He’s an embarrassment to the good fans of GB! Some Packers fans throw jabs, some of you disagree with the call, thats fine.. Making moral statements on real world issues vs football is silly! We live in the real world not a football game! Anyone who recognizes this doesn’t make you a lesser fan of your team, it makes you human. E Wolf’s last comments shows lack of morals, lack of soul and I feel sorry for anyone who would actually attempt at defending his trash!

    • Phatgzus

      E. Wolf is neither the editor nor one of the staff members of this blog, even the most cursory of forays into the hepage of this blog would educe such information. Furthermore, if you do not enjoy or approve of the subject matter of his article, the manner in which he presents it, or the very nature of his being feel free to leave and never come back Air Bud. This is a Packer site after all, I cannot understand why, as someone who is not a fan of the team (presumably a Packer fan) you are here other than to be intentionally polemic. If you are here for actual discussion

      • E. Wolf

        Phatz,

        This clown and so many of his ilk are simply beneath discusson.
        It seems that I have caused a furor with Seahawks fans. Indeed, this article was written up (quite poorly) in the Seattle P-1 (formerly one of two major Seattle papers now reduced to an online presence only).
        There is an addage to dismiss persons out of hand who are beneath disussion;
        “Tun Sie es mir sehr leid, aber ich spreche nicht jedem’ (I am sorry but I do not converse wth just anyone). All too often I fail to live up to this stanard and descend into pointless exchanges with trolls and simpletons.

      • Someone lose thier binky?

        Furthermore, if you do not enjoy or approve of the subject matter of his article, the manner in which he presents it, or the very nature of his being …..

        Interesting that any fan site would allow an F bomb tossing low life to write anything. His article was juvenile at best, his responses down right profane.

        Good for you and the rest of your staff. You must be proud to publish him and represent Packer fans.

        • Phatgzus

          Again I submit you take a cursory glance at the home page of this blog so as to avoid the embarrassment of presenting an uninformed comment-I am not the editor nor am I a staff member of this site, merely a regular community contributor.

      • Dan

        I’d educate myself to know that he’s not staff or an editor? When did I say he was? He wrote a post thats gotten a lot of attention. Its irrelevant he’s not an editor or staff, some people actually listened and agreed with his trash. Not all. We have many idiots on Seahawks blogs, message boards etc, E Wolf is yours.

        You can’t understand why someone who’s not a Packers fan would be on this site? READ THE TITLE TO THE POST. Thats why I’m here. If a Bengals fan was commenting, that wouldnt make sense. I’m a Seahawks fan, if you’re writing about me, I can respond. If one of our blogs was writing about you, you can respond. Its beyond discussion on here. Just insults and gloating. People who think the Tate call was wrong won’t have their minds changed no matter what. People who think the call was correct wont change their minds. I can say I thought it was a bad call until I saw all angles in slow motion, and after some research it WAS the RIGHT call. Disagree, but don’t act like I dont have a voice in this blog if you are talking about me (Seahawks fans).

    • Phatgzus

      *if you are here for actual logical discussion, then why have you not responded to my retort of the comparability of the Packers and Seahawks, which is comprised of nothing but logic ( and was posted prior to your latest recrimination)?

      • Dan

        Can we reply in profuse Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness ways to make us look smarter?

        I ascertain having vexatious retorts back and fourth is counterproductive and each notions won’t alter eithers assessment.

        • Phatgzus

          I write this manner not to present a facade of intelligence but because I truly enjoy words and poetic oration. Furthermore it is not the verbiage used that implies intelligence, it is the logical conclusions they present. As evidenced by your cobbled attempt at a sardonic recrimination, any philistine can utilize a thesaurus but it requires an individual with some measure of intellect to construct a cogent sentence that utilizes these artifices. If you wished to present an ascorbic retort perhaps you should have first brushed up on your syntax and semantics, i.e. you used profuse as an adverb but did not add the proper modifier (ly), you presented loquacious as an adjective but modified it to a noun (ness), you misused ascertain when you likely meant to say assert, and you did not onclude the Furthermore,

        • Phatgzus

          *and you did not include the requisite apostrophe of nouns expressing possession when you wrote “eithers”. Furthermore, you present oases of intellectuality when you write in such a manner as that presented in your response, as such the intellectual levels of varying loci on your thoughts are not in agreement. This would rarely, if ever occur in the speech of one well-versed in verses. The collusion of the above elements readily destroys the verisimilitude of intelligence integral to producing the acerbic, tongue-in-
          cheek retort you intended.

          Additionally, please do not believe that your attempts at trolling in any way irk me, quite the contrary. For in a manner similar yet diametric to the methodology employed by trolls on the populace, I feed on the trolls. I occupy their time, causing them to cease the trolling of others and relegate
          them to responding to logical arguments that require them to utilize some level of critical thinking skill, by forcing them to read and process my presentation. I enjoy forcing trolls to think as it is the very thing they detest most, it is also good for them; I also enjoy watching them squirm as they attempt to beat me at my own game.

          Finally, it has not gone unnoticed that you have not even attempted to respond to my purely logical retort regarding the juxtaposition of the Packers and Seahawks titles and history. Rather you have resorted to personal attacks and cobbled attempts at satire. I greatly enjoy feasting on your argumentative inadequacies, however, I find your trepidation to respond vis a vis the comparison.

          In summation, I’m not mad I’m just disappointed.

  70. E. Wolf


    Dan:

    Hey look, I’m a troll now! When one can’t defend their stance they resort to name calling, which “troll” is the most common. YOU brought it up, defend yourself or let it be. I can call you names too, but thats to childish. I prefer to talk football. I guess you don’t

    I have addressed all of your points already, either in the original article, or subsequent posts.

  71. JD

    I did already reply that the angles are bad, but I can do it in more detail.

    At 7:52 the ball is between Jenning’s hands before Tate has touched it, but from this camera angle is it not possible to tell whether Jennings has caught the football or if it is just between his hands, as it appears to be in other videos.

    The 9:59 view also shows that they touch the ball at about the same time because it shows the gap between his hands that Jennings lets the ball go through. But, it is not a great angle because Tate’s left hand/arm is blocked by Jenning’s right arm. I did notice something weird at 9:59 – Jennings does not initially secure the ball with his right hand, but instead his right forearm. Dude screwed up, bad hand/eye coordination maybe? Either that or he was going to catch it against his body, and the awkward forearm catch is because Tate stopped the ball at a spot where Jennings did not expect it to stop.

    Regarding the pictures being from the front, preventing identifying where Tate touches the ball – Another way to tell where Tate touches the ball is by looking at the elevation of the ball.
    The ball stops going down. Either gravity forgot its job or someone was holding the ball up.


    Phatgzus:

    Order of control does not matter because you can’t have caught the ball without demonstrating control through the play as, by it’s very definition a catch entails possession and, thusly, control.
    Phatgzus

    Incorrect order, in a catch control is first established, then it is maintained until the player touches down, and then performs a football move. If these are satisfied, then the catch is successful and possession of the ball is awarded. In other wards, control -> catch -> possession.

    “Article 3 Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by
    the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
    (a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
    (b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
    (c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act
    common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an
    opponent, etc.).”


    Phatgzus:

    Put another way if you control the ball first and proceed to lose control to your opponent who then does not relinquish control, it does not matter that you controlled the ball first as you did not demonstrate control through the summation of the play, and are not awarded possession, i.e. a catch. For simplicity’s sake the first player is viewed as never having controlled the ball; it is a practice anlalogous to canceling like multiplicative values in the numerator and denominator of algebra problems involving complex math. Likewise, if the second player fails to wrest control away from the first, obviously the second player never had control. In this shortcut context order of control does not matter because order does not exist. Furthermore, it is a temporal possibility for the two opponents to gain control at the exact same moment, however, in the extremely rare instance two opponents gain control in such short succession that an official cannot discern the succession, even with the aid of instant replay, the “tie” is awarded to the offense. For these reasons, order of control does not matter.Phatgzus

    Not sure I get the point of what you are saying. It almost sounds like you are arguing against the possibility of simultaneous catches existing.

    Anyway…I think we can assume that the referees were not sure who touched the ball first. It is too close for anyone to prove as our discussions show, although I still lean towards Tate touching (and controlling it) first when he stopped the downward movement.

    I’m not sure who you think the “first” and “second” players were in your statement, but either way neither Tate nor Jennings were able to wrest the ball away. You then say that this means that the “second” player never had control. What about the first player? Whoever the first player was, he was not able to wrest the ball away either. Does that mean the first player never had control either?

    If you answer Yes, then you are essentially saying the simultaneous catches are impossible because neither player can take control away from the other, and that must be bad logic because the rulebook allows for simultaneous catches.

    • Dan

      And then there are sensible Packer fans like you! Glad many of them have moved on. You give a good name to all the fans

  72. Floyd Church

    People are so interesting . . . I can just picture E. Wolf and Phatgzus sitting in E. Wolf’s mom’s basement, playing Dungeons & Dragons, and debating which album most clearly delineates between old and new Rush.

    • Someone lose thier binky?

      Now your BS posts make sense….

      I guess the internet makes a loser turd like you somewhat legitimate.

      Hitler was a great man, right?

      • Phatgzus

        Nice argumentum ad Hitlerum, you sound like a Rush Limbaugh clone that budded during his last bout of asexual reproduction.

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  75. HAHA! Fucking whiners! I can see the author crying as he wrote this. We got the call plain and simple, get over it and try to figure out who Rodgers is gonna pass to this year.

  76. Ben Hanses

    Dear Lord, where to start with such lunacy. How about the title:

    “Seattle Seahawks and Their Fans: A Bad Joke”

    First things first… you might disagree with the call or hate the team for your own reasons… but not sure why you feel it’s necessary to refer to an entire other fan-base as a “bad joke”. I’m not going to sit here and bash Packer fans, because I know they have a legit fan-base. I WILL, however, take a few moments to bash you as a legitimate fan. Or rather, expose you for the idiot and shameful rep for Packer fans everywhere that you are.

    First of all, if you are going to insult an entire city, be a man about it and use your real and full name. Only cowards sling shit while safely hiding behind the internet… and the alphabet.

    Second of all, your writing style lends itself to WAY too much self-importance and … well, “fluff”. “Malfeasance”? “Osetensibly”? “Incontrovertible”? Speaking in the third person as “This Author”…? … I thought the first rule of writing/speaking was “know your audience”. You’re writing to a bunch of football fans. IN GREEN BAY. I know you “grew up” in the Seattle area where those words are understood, but I don’t think your memorization of all the words you heard from an episode of “Frasier” is really gonna help you communicate with a group of individuals affectionately know as “Cheeseheads”.

    Thirdly, “… alternative, ‘true’ universe…?” What, are you Stephen Hawking now? Or just a writer for next year’s crappy Marvel/DC comic book storylines?

    “… all the while daring to call himself a Christian while he preys on our small to moderate and most assuredly temporary misfortune”. As someone who respects other’s religious choices, I think this was the most offensive thing you wrote in the entire article (although far from the most stupid). You would call a man’s faith into question because of a…. football game? A CHARITY softball game that he participated? … You know, on reconsideration, I’m ecstatic that you moved out of the PNW. We have enough nut-jobs living here as it is… might as well contaminate, er, share the wealth with another region of the country.

    “This author cares not to examine the psychology of this despicable human being”. Probably because (I’m guessing at this one) you’re not qualified to? Let alone pass judgement on what a “despicable human being” is. Terms we usually reserve for such honorees as Ted Bundy, Osama bin Ladin, Hitler, and David Stern. But feel free to do so anyways… I’m sure he gives a damn about what you think of him.
    “The Seahawks most recently held a charity softball game making light of this”… (actually, Sir, Richard Sherman -yes, I know… boo hiss…- held the charity game… you know, for charity… but to continue)… “I can assure one and all with metaphysical certitude…” Okay. Stop right there. Are you hooking up with Miss Cleo? Reading tarot cards? Sacrificing small animals to the football gods? Then where does this “metaphysical certitude” come from? I want my $4.95 back.
    Then you launch into your tirade against Seahawks history. Listen, as a Hawks fan, I’m not gonna sit here and claim a ton of greatness or epic accomplishments. But your team has been in the league for roughly 3 times as long as we have. So pardon our lack of trophies and shiny bobbles… So we shouldn’t root for our team because of that? Now you sound like a goddamn Niner fan.
    “Brian Bosworth. No further commentary needed.” Really? Cause no other team has had a bust? Actually, he wasn’t even a true bust (his body gave out)… not in the sense that a player like Aaron Curry or Rick Mirer were… Or you know, Tony Mandarich (taken over Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, and Deion Sanders), Jamal Reynolds (thanks for Matt Hasselbeck, BTW), Rich Campbell, John Michels, etc… Oh wait, those were PACKER busts…. My bad. (But seriously, thanks for Matt Hasselbeck).
    “…a bad joke engrained in the DNA of every true Seattleite.”… “A bad punch line in the DNA of every Seattleite”… JESUS. You’re starting to repeat yourself… must… get… out…. while… can…. “Go ahead and enable that sickening, despicable hypocrite who dares to call himself a Christian while attempting to capitalize on our small misfortune”… (DAMN. Trapped in a ‘Twilight Zone” episode!)
    “For our illustrious Green Bay Packers — marked by their colors of Green and Gold, and symbolized by that iconic oval G symbol emblazoned on their helmets and ubiquitously adorned throughout all of Packerland like an eternal, undying sun”… (Admit it. You were touching yourself as you wrote that, weren’t you???)
    So, I probably spent more of my life than I needed to on ANY response to ANY blog about ANY topic. But damn, it was too much fun to laugh my ass off reading through your “diatribe”… Thanks for the laughs man. (… and again, for Matt Hasselbeck. Seriously classy guy, and we love him here in Seattle!).

    • E. Wolf

      Doth I offend? If my writing were really such drivel, you would not give it further thought, which is what I am going to do with you.
      One point of clarification though, I did not attack the city of Seattle–how could someone who knows and loves John Keister. Rather I attack the legacy of futility that defines your Seahawks, and use that for insight in my attempt to explain why you people act as you do.
      One last thing, guessing you have not been to Wisconsin, I will have you know that folks there are pretty similar to folks in Washington State. For the most part white, educated, probably too altruistic for their own good. A lot of the wisconsin women I saw were cute next door types–very suitable for serious relationships, marriage, potential wives and future mothers of one’s children.
      Anyway, there is a reason why so many of you Hawks fans have descended on this site to cause trouble. It is because my words struck a chord. And deep down in your gut, you know what I wrote to be true. That’s why you are so pissed off.

  77. Hahahahaha

    You know I find you EWolf to be a phony and a coward for new truly revealing you really are! Everything I hear from you is nothing but childish crap! You’re not a true Seattleite at all and while you’re at it go root for the Thunder! And as Marshawn Lynch would say, GET OFF ME!

    • E. Wolf

      Yes, actually I am a Seattlite, now in exile in NYC, but am contemplating moving back there, or perhaps to Wisconsin.
      I graduated from the University of Washington and often frequented the legendary The Vogue nightclub. I am still a member of The Mercury, which was Machine Werks back in the day in the late 1990s. That music and scene is atypical of football fans, but I am an atypcial guy, who does what he wants do, and does not give a fuck what you or anyone thinks. I do not let the sort of group-think which dictates the lives of sheeple like you affect my destiny. Maybe that is why I cast off any aspersions of the “home town” team and embraced the Green and Gold, pretty much from first sight–LOVE at first sight.
      As for why I choose to use a pen names, all sorts of people track what people do online. There is an odious company called socail intelligence which informs present or potential employers what people say and think.
      If my little potential somehow catches fire and gets thousands of signatures (which may or may not be likely), I may come out of the woodwork.
      For now know me as E. Wolf, aka the Wolfman (who also has called and wrote into ESPN 54o as David in NYC). There, you have my first name. Of course it is rather ironic you sign in as haha X ?

  78. Hahahahaha

    I just read your response son and all of it is a bunch of crap by spewing who u are and all that nonsense. I find you to be a poor sport and can’t find anything else to do. Did your mom ever tell you that if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all? Again you are not a true Seattleite and all you are is an old phony hag spewing hatred to the Seahawks and their fans in general! I have never bashed the Packers (like many of us Seahawk fans do) and always respect them but with you individually, I find you as a bunch of bullshit! Grow up and take you hatred of the Seahawks and shove it son!

    • E. Wolf

      You are indeed irretrievably stupid if you think I care what you think. You challenged my claim that I am a native Seattlite, and i served. Now fuck off–thank you very much.

  79. D Hawk

    Oh…so a bandwagon Packer fan is still butt-hurt over the right call and we are supposed to care? But with all that xcheese there is a lot of room for your whine.
    Video replay showed Tate touched the ball first and it never left his hand. Havingore of the ball doesn’t matter. Funny, how in the NFL top 100 plays of the year, they follow up Gate’s catch with one of Wallace (I think it was him) catching the nose of the ball with one hand and it is a great play. Tate did the same thing but it isn’t control because Jennings got two hands on it. Give it a rest. Bad calls gave your Pack a TD. You xouldnt run out the clock to win and couldn’t beat MN to get a bye. The Pack failed, not the officials.

  80. Jeff

    Would you like some CHEESE to go with that whine. Dude you do realize you had your chances in the playoffs and the fact that you couldn’t beat a 3rd rate QB in Colin Kapernick just shows how TERRIBLE your defense is. Bottom line that loss didn’t cost you anything and you had your chances to improve in the standings but you couldn’t so don’t blame the Hawks for your teams shortcomings blame the DC because that was the real problem this year

  81. tequila

    The reason the Peehawks and their fans are lame is because they didn’t handle the win with class or magnanimity. Rather, they followed the lead of Pete Carroll, the biggest douche in the NFL by pretending they deserved the win and the touchdown was 100% pure skill and awesomeness. All they had to do is say ‘we are happy to have come away with a win’ or Golden Taint say ‘yeah, it was a tough call but we are happy with the outcome’. Instead they acted like the entitled cunts they are. Even MMA fighters hug after a match, but the Peehawks shit in our mouth and called it a sundae. That, dear readers, is poor sportsmanship and as a result, forever the fans in Seattle can suck on it. Thank you.

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