LeRoy Butler Supports Jason Collins and That’s Not Moral*

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Leroy Butler

Leroy Butler

The homophobes have outed themselves! Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’ve probably heard NBA player Jason Collins came out this week. Well, some of the small-minded among us don’t think too much of that and former Green Bay Packers safety LeRoy Butler found that out on Tuesday.

Butler had a speaking engagement scheduled at a church and after he tweeted his support for Collins, it got canceled. Why? Because human rights and respect should not be extended to people who put their penis in the wrong place and that place will forever be defined by a book written a long time ago.

First, here’s the fairly innocuous tweet that started this off.

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OH MY GOD, HOW COULD YOU!?!

Then, here’s Butler’s rundown of the events that followed.

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Check the moral clause? Really? Check your own fucking moral clause.

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These stipulations make me laugh. Say 10 Hail Mary’s too. That will erase the way you really feel. Anyway, cheers to LeRoy for doing the right thing.

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Of course, because, OH MY FUCKING GOD, WHAT IF MY KID IS GAY!?! I FEAR THINGS THAT ARE FOREIGN TO ME!

And then here’s the part I love most.

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So apparently it’s okay to be a hateful prick, so long as no one knows who you are. LeRoy is right. The name of the church doesn’t matter. That place would have been besieged with calls, reporters, protesters and so forth had Butler stated the name publicly. In a grand stroke of irony, they’re thanking someone for showing compassion, which is exactly what they’re unable to hand out.

Listen, maybe if you pray on it enough then one day all of the gay people in the world will just disappear. Until then, just keep being the hateful bigots you are.

(LeRoy Butler on Twitter)

About The Author

Monty McMahon is one of the founders of Total Packers. He is probably the most famous graduate of UW-Oshkosh next to Jim Gantner.

65 Comments on "LeRoy Butler Supports Jason Collins and That’s Not Moral*"

  1. Fred

    What a lame-ass article. (Pun-intended) You have outed yourself as a the king of phobes AND probes. Bible-phobe. Christianophobe. Religionophobe. Godophobe. Who’s afraid of anyone different? Who’s intolerant and bigoted? Look in the mirror. The only thing pricked was your guilty conscience.

    • Monty McMahon

      Yes, you’re right. I do hate morons. Good shot at trying to shift the conversation away from what it’s actually about, though.

    • Packer Bob

      “Who’s afraid of anyone different?”

      Apparently, you are. And from the tone of your comment I would say you have a serious problem with it.

  2. Shawn Shawn

    I have a hard time buying this story.

    Leroy lost his speaking gig just because he tweeted congrats??

    There is something being conveniently left out here.

    • wisonsinfan

      i’m pretty sure the church was paying him a couple grand to speak so maybe they just didn’t want to pay him and that was there excuse

  3. Don Q

    I love how all these “religious” people decide what’s right and wrong. Gotta love religious convenience.

  4. Shawn Iltarion

    I think I speak for the majority of people when I say-

    Who the eff is Jason Collins?

    Why the eff should I care if he is gay or not?

  5. GrnMAchineCrushesQueens

    Nah, churches are a money-making machine and they’re also tax-exempt so they could definitely afford it. Its an absolute shame; and the children that attend that church are being seeded with the thought that separation and discrimination is OK. Hot damn I hate ignorant, purposely manipulative institutions. @Fred: You sure are an “intellegence-a-phobe” or a “commonsensaphobe”. You may choose.

  6. Stainers

    Hateful bigots? While I agree with you most every time, this time I disagree. They have the right to cancel a speaker, and because they did, that doesn’t make them hateful towards Leroy or even Jason Collins. . In my eyes they hate the sin, but not the individuals associated with the sin.

  7. E. Wolf

    We are a lot closer to a civil war than we realize, or at the very least unrest and civil strife. There is a lot of intolerance on both sides, as the gay rights movement is becoming intolerance of anyone who expresses criticism or disapproval.

  8. Buster Bluth

    I thought i heard everything about the Lombadi era. Then
    a year ago i read a quote from a former player that said how Lombardi stood up for the blacks and the homos on the team.

    If a guy like Butler wanted to tweet about the subject Why TF
    should any one put him down ? Way to many sexually insecure sports fans out there.

  9. Richard

    Yep, kind of ridiculous move for a religious institution to make. Still better than blowing up the finish line at a marathon though. Hooray for religious nutcases.

  10. Don Q

    Emotionally immature people need something to believe in. Kind of like Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy. Too bad that the things that the majority of the world believes in discredit the people that don’t believe the same thing. Religion kills harmony.

    • ballz

      Agreed. There’s also a theory out there (not my theory) that religious people need the structure of religion and would become criminals without the moral walls that religion provides. Why? Because they lack the will power and wisdom needed to construct their own moral framework.

    • Shawn Iltarion

      I advise you stick to speaking about something you know something about.

      Obviously, religion isn’t it.

  11. Savage57

    Can someone please find out the name of the church? The way I see it, Collins is ID’d in this story, Butler is ID’d in this story and the only entity that remains anonymous are the righteous, judgmental cowards that can’t manage their own homosexual leanings. You know, kind of like how the ragheads have to keep all their women covered head to toe because otherwise if they see them, they’ll get all excited and want to go fuck their goats and camels.

    Fuck ’em in the ass is what I say. Oh, wait, that’s what they were afraid Butler was going to talk about. Well then just fuck ’em.

    Hypocritical pieces of shit.

  12. Don Q

    That theory is hard to argue with Ballz. Religion is a crutch where having moral fiber takes discipline. I like the golden rule personally, but whatever floats your boat.

      • Badger Bob

        It is at least as old as Confucius, but I’d be surprised if that was the first time written down.

        “Do not impose on others what you do not wish for yourself” – Conficius ~500BC

        • Shawn Shawn

          Funny, because technically that is the “Silver Rule.”

          True that the idea of reciprocity goes far back and is present in most religions and philosophies.

          However, the first written version of the Golden Rule is usually attributed to the Torah and Leviticus circa 1300 BC. Of course, this same book appears in the Bible, and it is the Bible that has largely made the Golden Rule prevalent in western culture.

  13. Stubbyduck

    Interesting how its ok for Leroy to express his opinion but its not ok for the church in this case. You all need to look in the mirror to see the bigot before you. E.Wolf is right on. Its ok for the gay rights movement to do whatever they want but woe to anyone who disagrees with them.

    • Phatgzus

      They’re certainly allowed their opinion, it’s simply a small-minded, archaic one that directly contradicts 3 of the main tenets of most religions; universality, unfettered acceptance, and good will towards all. Thus it is deserving of ridicule; no one has mentioned any recourse that involves the violation of their 1st Amendment right. These ideologues will just get to spend an extended stay in Limbo/Purgatory (in the unlikely event it exists).

      • E. Wolf

        Stubby, thanks for the thumbs up. Phat, I am no Christian, far from it, but I know enough about it to know it does not abide by unfettered acceptance, what I would call moral relativism. To the extent the gay movement demands unfettered acceptance for all, they should be more understanding of those who do less than approve of their lifestyle.
        Any of you remember Christopher Hewitt, aka Mr. Belvedere. Pretty sure he was gay, but he kept quiet about, as it was his PRIVATE life. No one harmed him, or attacked him. He simply lived in a bygone era where such procilvities were kept hush. Similar to how I generally do not broadcast my intense exuberance for cunninglingus or watching a woman use a rabbit vibrator. Discretion, decorum anyone?

        • Phatgzus

          Actually, many religious schools of thought practice acceptance of all: rejection of the sin, not the sinner.

          • E. Wolf

            I am not religious. Nor am I advocating not accepting people. Take Christopher Hewitt for example. Pretty sure people knew what his proclivities were, but he kept it on the downlow. Why because we do not wan the general public to be like a gay pride parade. Read up on the Durkheim Constant.

  14. Don Q

    What is your definition of the golden rule Shawn? The golden rule means to treat others how you wish to be treated. Treating gay people differently because it’s a “sin” is not following the golden rule. Therefore religion is polar opposite of the golden rule. Religious people owned slaves and sexually abused children. Please educate me on this topic.

    • Phatgzus

      He was merely pointing out that the Golden Rule originated in a religious text: The Bible (hence the apparent irony of the situation), I believe it was one of Jesus’ Parables, I may be mistaken. The Ten Commandments essentially imply the same as well.

      • Shawn Iltarion

        The Golden Rule originates from the Gospel of John in the Bible. “Love others as I have loved you.” or “Love thy neighbor.”

  15. Shawn Iltarion

    I wonder if the morons posting on here are aware that most churches also consider masturbation, sex before marriage, sexual fantasies, watching porn, and the use of contraception ALL to be sins.

    Therefore, is it some big surprise that they consider homosexuality a sin? Only if you are an idiot.

    And so what that they do? Everyone sins. If people didn’t sin, then there would be no need for priests or the church in the first place.

    What is right and wrong as viewed by society changes with the times. 30 years ago we wouldn’t even be discussing whether homosexuality is right or wrong. 200 years ago, the majority of Americans thought slavery was alright.

    There is only one place where what is right and wrong doesn’t change. That is one of the main points to religion in the first place.

    Calling someone a sinner doesn’t make one a bigot. Jesus said, “Let he without sin throw the first stone.” Accusing someone of sin doesn’t mean you hate them. Did your parents hate you when they told you smoking drugs was wrong?

    The church overreacted in my view. But they have the right to control who speaks before the congregation and who doesn’t.

    So, everyone settle the fuck down. Your intolerance and hate are showing.

    • Phatgzus

      It never ceases to amaze me how incendiary and divisive the issue of religion is; that being said, I’m happy to see the majority of the comments here have some thought infused, wheter one agrees with them or not; I don’t wish to imagine some of the comments on Viking and Eagle sites.

      Agree with you on all points, though theres no need for disparaging epithets. I do seem to sense an air of intolerance in the eschewing of someone who posted an innocuous and inconcrete comment (yes most with half a brain could infer what LeWah was insinuating, sadly thatsonly about half of adult Americans, but Idigress). If that is the case, then there is certainly some malaise, and possibly even hatred involved as intolerance is but an outlet for such. If this is merely an instance of protecting the Church, its image and its congregation, it is understandable if not entirely morally condonable.

    • Charlie Hustle

      You forgot to mention that the Packers went 15-1 in 2011from your soap box. You are now quoting Jesus in your posts? Since you know him, what does Jesus have to say about the read option? Are the packers going to be able to stop it this year?

  16. Don Q

    Fair enough iltarion. I’m with you on that one. Besides we should be focusing on the godfather of the Lambeau leap himself instead of this drama. Go Pack Go!

  17. JB

    Soooo…. What was the asterisk in the title for? Other than that, stick to football and making fun of Vikings fans. You guys are really funny and insightful until you wade into politics or social commentary. Takes all the fun out of this site.

  18. Voice of Reason

    One thing to be opposed to gay marriage (I am opposed, and am appalled at the viciousness of the gay lobby in attacking people who oppose them, and appalled at their attemtps to stifle free speech and free exercise of religion). Another thing to be opposed to someone simply saying they’re gay. A guy should be allowed to be open about who he is and feel comfortable. Having said that, the several times I have met Leroy Butler, he comes across as an arrogant dick. Why would any church invite him to speak? Real Christians aren’t arrogant dicks.

  19. FITZCORE1252

    If two dudes want to play with eachothers dongs, well, who gives a flying fuck!?!?

    Is mini-camp here yet?

  20. E. Wolf

    This topic really does not belong on here, just as Jason Wilde and Bill Johnson should not interject their liberal views on a show about the Packers. The topic is far more nuancd and complicated than either side acknowledges.
    Mind you, I am an atheist. I can understand both sides of the arguments, but tend toward a view that some repression is a good thing.
    Here is a footnote to a letter I wrote Wilde reprimanding him for staying on topic, which lays forth some seldom heard secular arguments against increasing tolerance for gays. Mind you, the bit about the Durkheim Constant, aka defining deviancy down is huge and not well understood by most. Consider in the past that women who look like men (Ellen,Rachel Maddow) was in the past considered deviant behaior. Now no one hardly bats an eye, and deviant behavior is currently necrophalia, beastiality, etc:

    ). Consider also the much higher prevalence of stds among gay men and the average life-span of gay men, the fundamental differences between male and female sexuality, in which men have a higher “hard-wired” propensity for promiscuity for women, and the ramifications that has on male homosexuality, among other things. That is not to suggest I disagree with all of your contentions wholesale, but that things are not as cut and dried as you think. Also, the concern about showers may not be entirely illegitimate either; Equinox, an exclusive club here in the city, was sued by former members and employees for rampant lewd behavior in the men’s locker room, New York Sports Club, of which I used to be a member, has a number of notices reminding steam room users that the New York City Department of Health routinely inspects the facilities and that any evidence of improper conduct is grounds to close the steam room. At the Wall Street location that I once frequented there were THREE notices, including one shaped like a stop sign with the caption in all capital letters, “STOP, PLEASE HELP US!”

  21. FITZCORE1252

    E. Wolf…

    Man, I’m about done with green and gold today. Here’s my deal:

    If two dudes want to put stuff in eachothers corn holes.. Whatevs, BUT, the GREEN BAY FUCKING PACKERS had a DRAFT this past weekend! What does G&G today talk about? Monday, they talked about the draft for five minutes, and the rest of the show was about Tebow. Tuesday and Wednesday was all about this gay dude that I couldn’t care less about… Haven’t listened to todays yet, but, I assume, it’s got nothing to do with the Green and Gold. What a joke of a show. Fuck Wilde, Fuck Johnson, Fuck G&G Today.

    • E. Wolf

      PLEASE write the station management. Contact information is here:

      http://espnwisconsin.com/common/more.php?m=33&r=1

      I did so, and am happy to reproduce the letter I wrote Wilde, which I believe he alluded to on his twitter.
      The letter follows below, which addresses many of your points, to wit we just had a draft, and there are reasons to believe it may not aid us much in capturing a fifth Lombardi.

      Dear Jason

      As a rabid Packers fan living in NYC, I listen to Green and Gold today religiously, and usually listen to all of your podcast segments. Furthermore, I also listen to the Miller Life Football show (I stream it, living in NYC) and during the season or important moments in the off-season, as I also listen to select segments of Homer and Thunder.
      I listen to these programs for Packers coverage, not social commentary. Whether or not I or anyone agrees with the harangues by you, Bill Johnson, and others lauding so called gay rights or the splendors of multicultural society is secondary to the fact that such diatribes have no place in programming of this subject matter. I listen to these shows so that you and others can impart your superior knowledge of PACKERS FOOTBALL AND THE PACKERS ORGANIZATION to me as I try to follow the team I love more than anything, most particularly because your informative commentary was so much more beneficial than the inane rantings of, say Steve “Sparky” Feifer or Mike Wickett whose shrill voices grate my ears and betray ignorance greater than mine or your average listener. I do not listen to these shows for political commentary, particularly not commentary that I do not, by and large, agree with.
      In the aftermath of the 2013 NFL draft, there is a cornucopia of legitimate and important topics actually germane to your radio show and radio segments, ie germane to the team I love more than anything. For example, scouting reports indicate that the 4th round offensive linemen picked by Ted Thompson are simply unsuitable as tackles, which in turn raises further concerns about our offensive line insofar as our guards are first rate, whereas we need at least one tackle to go alongside Bryan Bulaga. Similarly, the Steelers and other teams excluded any possibility of selecting Lacy because of a fused toe. Detailed analysis on these topics might allay or at least inform my fears that this draft will not serve our efforts to capture a fifth Lombardi trophy. Instead of such analysis I am subjected to caterwauling about gay rights and religious objections thereto.
      I will note in closing that this trend has worsened gradually but persistently over the past few months, indeed really since election time. KNOCK IT OFF! We all know you have been indoctrinated by Madison. The University’s color of red is quite fitting. If you want to espouse your left-wing views, get a political themed radio show. You are paid to impart your expertise and knowledge about the Pack, not this. Your dabbling in political diatribes is diminishing my respect for you on account of your expertise, giving sway to increasing annoyance, and as I am becoming increasingly perturbed by this frankly unprofessional conduct, this annoyance is slowly blossoming into personal dislike. In other words, do your god damn job.

      [My surname and first intial of my “Christian name]

  22. Kristofer from Oshkosh

    This is rediculous. That church should be ashamed. Who are they to say what a person can or cannot be. and can or cannot do. This is a small reason why i stopped going to church. Basically the same thing the KKK preaches. Churches are just another name for a kult.

  23. FITZCORE1252

    Done, below is most of mine…

    “Re: Green and gold today.

    This past weekend was the NFL draft, I tuned into your show Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, hoping to get thoughts on the Packers draft/draftees. Instead, Monday was a token 5 minutes of draft coverage, followed by 40+ minutes of Tebow talk… Yay! Tuesday and Wednesday were non-stop talk of this gay basketball player. I COULD NOT CARE LESS about that, and if I did care, there are plenty of generalized sports programs I could tune into to hear about it.

    Here is my email address:

    Please email me when GREEN and GOLD TODAY will actually, you know… Be discussing THE GREEN BAY EFFING PACKERS, as I won’t know, because I’m done tuning in.

    Thanks a bunch!

    —- Fitz—–

  24. GrnMAchineCrushesQueens

    This is ALL silly. Id guarantee that 80% of the people supporting the churches stance don’t even realize that there were civilized, intellegent people living before Christianity. Guess what guys, Christianity itself is no more than modernized stories of creation stolen from even earlier “religious” texts. Look it up. For this reason alone, why even argue against their blatant ignorance to truth?

    The two opposing sides on this planet are simply those who understand we all are connected on levels more important than our ego’s, and those who are separatists. All else is meaningless fodder. Those who don’t understand that, will come to. Those who already do, have done so through free-thinking and have a ‘head start’ lol No worries, everyone, these arent our first lives, and for those who have a hard time with the concept of universal law, it certainly wont be the last…

    Does anyone on here believe Micah Johnson has a shot to stick at MLB? He was being compared to Jon Beason coming out of college 2 years ago..

    • E. Wolf

      Again there are secular arguments as to why this should be marginalized. Unfortunately there is no longer an intellectual force among the right, such as William F Buckley. Pat Buchanan is good but has been marginalized.
      Oh and btw I am an atheist.

    • Shawn Shawn

      The creation part, and many other stories, including Jesus’ death and rebirth, Yes. However, besides those themes, most of the New Testament, except for Revelations, is not taken from other stories.

      Doesn’t these same stories being present in different cultures separated by seas add to their likely validity? Same events with different names?

      Also, much that occurs in the Bible is known to have happened. We know a man named Jesus Christ lived. It is just disputed whether he was the son of God (as Christians believe) or just another popular religious leader (as Jews and Muslims believe).

      I agree with your thesis about unitists and separatists though. Interesting.

  25. Wally

    Why do people assume intolerance means hatred? If I’m intolerant of my house being 74 degrees, that doesn’t make me a bigot and it doesn’t mean I hate the house. I love Mike Tyson as a person, but I’m not tolerant of chewing ears off of people. So now I’m a bigot?
    In the end, a set of laws needs to exist to protect people, keep people from doing wrong, and show people when they are wrong. Where do these laws come from? Democratically, from what the common public desires? This will ultimately fail, as each person is ultimately self-seeking. Law comes from something more than people. Authority comes from something more than people.
    True Christians love Jason Collins. Hatred of people is not a Christian act. Hatred of wrong behavior is a Christian act. Many Christians believe homosexuality is sinful. However, no sin is unforgivable.
    If you happen to disagree, fine. Just don’t accuse me of hating Jason Collins or other homosexuals.
    I’m just curious who gets to decide that bananas are okay, murder is wrong, and what’s what about homosexuality? Why is it all people agree murder is wrong…where did that general belief come from?

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  27. Michael

    Dear people,

    Bible believing Christians are to love one another and are not hateful at all (True Christians). But we agree with God and not man. God says not to steal, not to lie, and not to murder etc. God also says that men should not be with men and women with women. It says so in Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:27 and more. We have all sinned by lying, stealing etc. And how many of us have committed adultery in our heart as the same Jesus that says “love thy neighbor” also said that anyone who lusts after a woman has committed adultery “in his heart”, therefore breaking a commandment. And committing adultery is not loving thy neighbor at all. So we are all just as guilty as someone who is gay. However, which one of you is willing to boast or tweet that you are proud of and will stand up for someone who has just announced to the world that they are tired of hiding behind the fact that they are a liar, a murderer, someone who steals, or just cheated on their wife. Which one of you agree with any of these behaviors to “boast” about it. All us Christians are saying is that we agree with God. If God is against something so are we. God specifically says it is wrong and even destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah who practiced it. It’s not a fable. If God had no problem at all with men being with men, he would have given them the ability to procreate with each other and have blessed it. I don’t understand. Isn’t this obvious? We are not hating Jason Collins or saying someone should hurt him in any way, we are simply saying that enacting upon the passions of homosexuality is against God just as enacting upon passions of wanting to lie, steal, cheat, or commit adultery are wrong. There is no difference for the same God said not do do any of them. Therefore, God showed us his great love by sending his son Jesus Christ for salvation from our sin and put the punishment on him instead of us. there is no greater love than this. But we can’t be saved if we think being gay is a gift from God. Just as lying to our neighbor is not a gift from God.

  28. Don Q

    Lying, cheating, steeling and cheating on your girlfriend or Wife will effect or hurt others. Being gay doesn’t. I gay person has no choice on the matter. A theif or unfaithful person does.

    People with autism were considered to have had demons in them and these “religious” people drilled holes in their head to release the demons. Old way of thinking isn’t nessisarily right and just because a book says so.

    If being gay becomes the norm and is accepted by everyone, you won’t have gay rights activists being jerks to religious people or vise versa.

    • Michael

      Hi Don,

      I understand why you are thinking like that. I used to feel the same way. I really did. I also used to not believe in the Bible. But there is no other moral code that God’s. And if the Bible is not true, then we can all make our own rules as to what is right and wrong. I mentioned lying, stealing, and cheating, that you appear to agree with I think as it hurts others. But I didn’t get into length on the other ones or it would be too long to make a point. But Jesus said the first commandment was to love thy God with all thy heart, soul, and mind. So anyone who loves God, loves his law. His law says not to be gay. He does not say you will never have gay thoughts. The reason is that we are “born” into sin. That’s why children are not automatically perfect. They come out “wanting” to disobey and have to be “taught” to behave. Some disobey more than others “automatically”. It’s the same with being gay. Some may be born with this tendency because we are all born with sinful desires.

      I agree with the autism comment. But God never endorsed religion, ever. He is against “religion” actually. God asks for faith in him. The Bible is not just a book. It’s a love story of how he would reveal who he is to the world and how he would save the world in his love by sending his son Jesus for us. It’s not a book of just do’s and don’ts and God is not saying we should hate a gay person. If he hated gay people, he would not have come down to earth to die for gay people, or for a person like me who has done terrible things in my life. He came to save. What is so wrong with loving a gay person but agreeing with God that men having sexual relations with other men is against God. If being gay became the norm, there would be no more people left as procreation would end. I’m thankful to God for his law of only a man and woman together. Because otherwise I would not have been born. I praise God for that and giving me life.

      But I disagree with people “hurting” a gay person and so is God. He will judge and vengeance belongs to him. I don’t want to make you angry or upset. I just wish you would read the Bible like I finally did at 38 years old a few years ago. Haven’t you noticed that the more people are doing their own thing and making it all about themselves that there are more murders and shootings going on everywhere? It’s chaos! It’s all because of a lack of love for God. Because those who love and respect God love others and do not accept sin as being good because he will judge the world according to his standard of perfection like he is perfect. We are not perfect. Dear Don and others, Jesus is God and is the answer for all of this. Please read the Bible and see for yourself – read it entirely and try to prove me wrong. Thank you for reading.

    • Wally

      If homosexuals have the right to marry, then why not brother and sister? They should have rights too by the logic that it doesn’t hurt others. Sometimes, laws exist to protect people from themselves.

  29. Angry agnostic

    “He who is without sin shall cast out the first stone” – The exact words 95% of Christians FAIL to follow. They have no right to be judging gays.

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